Play more in tune with these simple intonation exercises for violin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- There is nothing worse than trying to play a piece of music but being out of tune...
You know what it should sound like... You can imagine how it should sound, but when you play it... it just sounds... well... a bit out of tune.
Master Violin Maker Olaf Grawert shares a couple of simple but really effective intonation exercises that have helped him and lots of other string players play a lot more in tune.
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00:00 Introduction
01:29 Posture
03:16 The exercises
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I've been struggling with intonation recently, thank you so much for the tips. I'm a beginner, so I think this will really help me. Now I'm going to practice 40 hours a day 😊
Shouldn't you have been already 😡😤😂😂
should've already been(lol) make ling ling proud
I love how the dust fly before the camera.
In other corners of TH-cam those would be called supernatural "orbs."
It's the Violin Souls ready for capturing
@@Mark-lf9cn 😱😱😱
I am glad I found you.
I loved the eastern europe exercise. Bit tricky but in minutes you will master it. Thanks Olaf.
... if you can play it out of tune, u can maybe play it in tune, later. )
@Skummar Köphunchuksohn If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly
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Am I the only one to put a tuner on my speaker for this?
Funny about the D string. When I first started trying to learn, at age 46, I liked the D string. It was like home. Only in the last few years have I felt that it was trickier than any of the other strings to get a good tone. Also, due to lack of local instruction, I devolved into fiddling. There's a lot of that around rural New England. But I maintain my properly taught posture and bow hold. Degenerate I may be, but not a heathen.
Those exercises are a good idea.
I still need to get right the amount of rosin in n the bow. Sometimes I get too much on the bow and it can pull the notes out of tune.
Playing while watching an electronic tuner has helped me with my intonation
Super super super lovely
This is a little treasure of a practice exercise! I paused the video, grabbed my violin and repeated the exercise and was amazed! I even checked with Intonia app and my notes were in tune! For months I have been hitting the wrong spot 10 times out of 10 tries. Thank you!!! Hope restored!
thx!!
by twoset: if u can play it slowly, u can play it quickly
by olaf: if u can practice slowly, u can practice quickly
As a violin maker, he guides others to treasures he himself cannot possess.
Another great video Olaf! Happy New Year!
I have been playing for 8 entire months! The struggle is real! Thank you so much~ I am adding these to my daily practice. No more slogging through the mud that is my fingerboard! Thank you so very much!! :D
Very useful info. Hard to do that thing, of course. Practise slow and perfectly and *then* speed it up. I recently became obsessed with intonation after 13 weeks learning. So perfect timing!
Thank you for that exercise. That help me.
I love this as I am learning intonation
I like your demonstration. What you are actually showing very well is the importance of a smooth controlled bow arm which is so important to good violin playing, including for the intonation exercise. Beginner players will never get it in tune if they are getting the pressure wrong especially at the bow changes. You produce a beautiful tone. I definitely think you could have been a great player, your hands are perfect for it.
And you make the vital point with repetition, which is to START CORRECTLY then only get faster gradually. Otherwise your muscles actually learn how to repeat mistakes.
Mel Bay's Finger Fun book has similar exercises. I still use a microtuner to be certain of pitch. The quote that makes sense is "If you can't play it slow then you can't play it fast." Not vice versa.
The eastern european exercice, My teacher made me do it (a version of it) I started to play them linked by 2, then by 3, by 4, by 5... until 12. This was so difficult, and I really hated this exercice, but now I can play some pieces that have a lot of linked notes.
Hi can you explain in detail how it would be playjng until 12? I didnt understand
@@fabiog801 linked by 12, I mean in one bow, you play 12 notes.
@@jollieJollie ok got it! thanks!
@@fabiog801 you're welcome!
It's all very Sevcik (sorry, don't know where to place which accent).
Boring. And dull. And so useful.
Thank you Olaf. As an older learner these exercises will help me so much.
I find your use of the word slam very interesting. When I studied upright base in college, we use similar language - A big part of the equation for bassists is making sure the stopping of the note in the left hand is strong without tension. We'll play scales to where they would be audible without the right hand (sometimes). I teach 11 and 12-year-olds string orchestra in a school and I wonder if that word slam would make sense to them for violin, or cause them to tense up their fingers. Time for experimenting!
This is super helpful! I’m a re-learner after 10 years away and struggling with intonation! Thank you!
Guys, Olaf is one of us linglingwannabeeees 😂
Honestly, I found your channel thanks to twoset, and I love the passion you put in your work and your videos... And since I'm learning the violin ( and I started doing this exercise without knowing it, because I wanted intonation before anything), this video is very helpful and I hope to see more in the future! Thanks a lot!! 🥰
@@ChiefHerzensCoach ehy thanks a lot! I'm actually watching Eddy's videos because he explains very well basic things that you wouldn't notice by yourself. It's very helpful! And thanks a lot for the suggestion anyway ☺️
Great tips as always Olaf
Thankyou so much Olaf!
I really appreciate your videos Olaf! Thank you!
Thank you Olaf! One day I will buy a violin from you!!! Thank you for the tip! I will practice until my dogs and neighbors howel!
Enjoyed the 2 set reference and the bumblebees will spit you out. You are inspirational.
Thank You!
Thanks for that
My violin teacher was also a student of one of Auer's students, Kathleen Parlow. That was back in the 50's. I can't stand a shoulder rest, it makes the violin feel like a plank clamped to my shoulder. I use the "Russian" bow hold. And my violin was something Parlow picked up in St. Petersberg. It is a German Gagliano copy from the 1850's that my father bought for me as a young player. Olaf, we are sort of in the same violinist "family". I am not a professional, I just never put the violin down and enjoy it so very much.
Wow that's cool
Hi Olaf, I have been watching you in your videos and I love to try to make a violin for my self, I am playing violin now a little and I found out I love it.
Now am happy every time I saw your videos in the internet and how you fix some violin it makes me happy and inspired. thank you very much for sharing your videos and making some contents - cheers
these really reminded me of some of the Schradieck exercises, and I think, possibly Flesch...? anyway, I‘ll integrate these, and also stick to scales. 😊 thanks as always Olaf, and have a nice holiday!
Thanks, I'll definitely try that. There's probably something wrong with me😄, but I actually like that kind of exercises. My choir leader once said he'd never met someone that enjoyed repeting the same bar over and over again as much as I.
Good advice
3:30 repetition legitimatizes
adam neely? :o
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I'm an adult beginner struggling with intonation. Everytime i land my finger it's a different pitch. 😞 I'll try this out hopefully will improve...
That is much harder than it looks but great exercises! Thank you!
It is harder if you are a beginner... but it will get easier
Thanks VERY much (from an adult beginner) 😊
Happy New Year everyone
Thank you for the great vid - just a question please. Have you ever repaired a Harry Vatiliotis violin ?
I love the vomit exercise (shifting exercise).
It's very painful but very effective.
I play double bass.
❤️❤️❤️
Thanks Olaf. I‘ll straight put it into the Training Routine of my daughter (Second year of violin). Do you have a tip how to get the Hand Position right and constant? I find it difficult to train fingers to land right if there isn‘t a fix and constant starting point. Thanks and keep on your Great videos.
It's all about really listening.
I mean the V of thumb and pointing Finger on the neck, right? If Ellbow and arm angle do not fit consistently, the fingers always will slightly change in my opinion. I guess I‘m too analythic and have to let the Repetition do the trick. Thanks a lot.
I cannot quite get the second exercise. Could you give the fingering written down? Are the hand positions the same on all four strings? Thank you Olaf, you have helped me so much in my journey to try and learn this instrument. I clean mine after every practice, just as you taught me!
I have a Ernst Heinrich Roth violin 1953
Thank you! Olaf, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. A little question, would the correct place to press on the finger board would always be the same or would it adjust over time?
It is always the same... as a violinmaker I can often see the worn spots on the fingerboard.
@@AskOlaftheViolinmaker Thank you very much! It's an honornto have a question answered by you ^~^ 💫
LingLing 40hours
Is this the same concept behind the Flesch etudes that Hilary Hahn seems be doing with her latest 100 days of practice?
Great video Olaf! Your hands size are a bit similar to Itzhak Perlman 😁
i would totally buy a violin from your shop if i wouldnt live in another country
My next goal *mastering these exercises *
Give me that violin😍please
Hello Olaf. Do you have your personal violin? I would love to have her play in practice video like this :)
First, you must be able to hear if it is in tune or not. Without that as a foundation the exercises will be pushing it uphill.
I would come to you, but I'm about as far from Australia as a person can get and still be on the same planet. :-(
I agree that someone doesn't get a better person after being spit on the other side of a bumblebee
Hey Olaf, a little out of context but I really need this
How to remove the rosin build up from my bow?
My rosin is a little bit more sensitive to the weather (but I like it) so when they weather is hot, the rosin stick to the bow's stick
And it seems like just wiping it with a cloth is sometimes not enough
What do you think about this
I live in Indonesia for some context
Btw, a great video!!!! The exercise really works!!! THANKS OLAF
I carefully wash my bow in alcohol.
@@Poreckylife I do that too, but sometimes I'm concerned about the varnish, I'm afraid that the varnish would be a little bit damaged
@@owdy3973 not if you do it very carefully.
Hi, please don't let the alcohol get an inch close to the horse hair.
I know two people who cleaned it with alcohol (their bow never worked again)
If I tried flight of the bumblee, it would be the flight of the pachyderm!
I should add, play in front of you phone with tuning app so you "know" when/if you are in tune.
I love all your videos. However, the "bumblebee" metaphor I did not understand (my background is German) Happy New Year.
It's a reference to TwoSetViolin. th-cam.com/video/BvsvaCU6i1M/w-d-xo.html
It is not a metaphor, actually it is a piece of music ! ("Flight of the bumblebee" I believe...)
@@LodeNid Thank you. Found it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Bumblebee
Have heard it several times but due to the lack of my knowledge was unable to identify it. Now I will no longer forget it.
Trying to excercise in full speed, you will for sure be able to play out of tune in seconds. Do that a couple of times, and your brain will have recorded it, as a new habit you dont have to concentrate about. It comes naturally. Then you actually have learned, how to play out of tune without thinking of it, no matter how much you practice.😎
I can only relax playing without a shoulder rest which gives me pain, no matter how I adjust it.
Pls explain the term "slam down", are talking speed, pressure, something else?
Well, from some of other people's video (including this one)
It seems like the MOST important thing is the speed but also the accuracy, because some people also said that putting too much pressure on the string is not good for finger and even could injure your finger
Some people also said try to make it almost percussive
Yes, speed as you come down. Pressure should be kept at a minimum, just enough for a clean tone.
Slowing it down till you get it right every time is very important for any skill. Definitely speaking from a martial arts perspective... but i have also found that the way i drill techniques to be eminently applicable to learning violin.
I have a question. Are carbon fiber bows good? Or are wooden bows better?
Hi! I've found that video on YT: th-cam.com/video/YrLG0UO0ZTE/w-d-xo.html. It's a bit long (44-45 min.), but I hope this will clarify your question 😁. Also, sorry for my bad and simple English, but it isn't my native language 😅.
Happy New Year and greetings from Italy
Hi, not an expert, but from I've seen and played, It's definetly a good idea if you want to save money! An intermediate carbonfiber bow will cost A LOT LESS than say a Pernambuco bow at the same level of quality (by quality I mean what you can get out of it when playing). But... If you want a really good bow, that will truly respond to technique nuances, go with the good old wooden bow... They're not the same.
How do I KNOW if I am in tune??😢
There's many tuning apps you can download for free. I use one called Vocal Pitch Monitor, but there's special ones for violin as well.
Even the best players sometimes play slightly out of tune. Humans can only be so precise lol
Not that I didn't enjoy the video (and thank you for that exercise), but whatever happened to taking some time off to go to the beach with the family?
I was smart and filmed this video in December
Why does Olaf give me Uncle Iroh vibes, but instead with tea, he's a coffee connosieur?
I wish it wasn't painful for me to play comfortably. I'm pretty sad, but my tiny t-rex arms can't take it. Instructor couldn't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I once read that for people who have shorter arms the best is to use a central chin rest.. I'd also try to play without a shoulder rest.
Have you tried playing a 7/8 size or even 3/4?
@@AskOlaftheViolinmaker I haven't. The instructor that I had made some suggestions (Like playing without the shoulder rest and some other adjustments) but would still cramp up after only 10 mins. She seemed to think that even some of the masters had 'smaller hands' and I need to just work through it. Since I'm 4'10, I asked her if I should try a small violin but she said nope. Also, I just got the instrument and it's really nice and don't think I can spring for another one at the same price only to find out it hurts too. :)
@@dianawilson13 I still think it's worth trying the central chin rest. My husband's student has short arms and when he switched to central, he felt much more comfortable. Since it's a good violin it might be worth a try. It's really hard to say without a video, but if a proper instruction doesn't work, it might be the case of a smaller violin.
@@jacisantos1849 I will definitely give it a try. I like the violin SO much, it has such a pretty voice, even as a beginner fumbling around.
Finger placement
Olaf... Do you have a Brisbane council buskers permit., You could make money while doing this....
My son goes busking around Brisbane. No permit needed except for the city Mall and Southbank
How could you not practice for 40 hours a day?
*What a shame*
I know! I'll try to do better 😀
Or get a fretted violin.
Just play scales, there are no secrets :-(
Scales are definitely important as well...
"is by repetition..."
starts playing out of tune over and over again ;D
*edit*
well i consider your violin is tuned to 435hz, then its perfectly in tune! my fault :D
I am convinced the Russian method is the superior one. Suzuki is terrible.
This is the worst method to play in tune!
Actually, when you finger reaches the fingerboard, it is always in the wrong place. And not in tune. But, your brain knows the right tune he wants. So he gives the finger the order to correct the position. This happens faster and faster as long as you train.
When you speak or you sing, your ear commands your tongue and your vocal cords. This is difficult and long for a baby. But easy after.
Same for the violin.
Make a good sound with the bow. Correct your finger to achieve the tune.
a little bit out of tune, though?😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
So this is really bad advice. It is the same kind of bad advice I got in public school. This is a common issue in teaching people to play.
You should not be playing in vacuum if you don't have perfect pitch. You should be following along something which is on pitch and copy it or you will spend years being mediocre. Which of course most students end up doing as you all have seen in schools etc. Even having perfect pitch there are temperamental tuning issues which arise at higher levels of refinement and it may help to have backing to figure things out better.
The best way is to play along to something which is in tune on repeat and try to pitch match endlessly while being aware that how you hold the instrument will shift the finger tips ever so slightly so you have to have a good grip but not too hard in order to produce nice sound.
Practising audiation is another essential. It should be at the top of the list for every music teacher. Sadly it is not. I was never even taught the word exists by my music teacher. I got so much further on my own with occasional views of masterclasses and reading a few good texts as well as comparing modern methods cross instruments.
A simple way to practice audiation is to play D string, then A string. Then play the D string again, go quiet and try to hear what the A string will sound like from memory. Try to make the memory of the sound of the A as loud as you can in your mind. Then play the A to check if what you were imagining was in tune. If it was not in tune then try again, if it was in tune then repeat again , repeat a lot to get better and to make the mind audio louder :) . Now if we want to do that with chords or scales we better practice with a keyboard instrument so that we don't learn bad intonation. If we check the audiation quality by our own fingered note on the violin we run into errors and the exercise is pointless.
Intonation is more complex than simply learning the pitch from a keyboard. Piano tuning is a compromised system and string players have to adjust their intonation when they play with a piano.
I wouldn't say this is bad advice
Olaf is trying to explain how to train our fingers to hit the right note and essentially building up muscle memory.
And you are talking about ear training and how to obtain relative pitch which is very very important to the foundation of a musician since we should know whether we are playing in tune or not.
Olaf's method actually requires a bit of ear training so that one can actually determine if the note being played is in tune or not and then the repetition is to engrave it in our memory so that we can play in tune without always checking...