This is totally fascinating on many levels- historical, musical, personal, and particularly, the human condition. Artie was a dynamo, driven by something he strove to understand, but, it seems, always just eluded him. You can hear it grinding his gears. I can picture him arriving at the pearly gates "Ah- Mr Arshawsky- welcome!" "Can I come in?" "Certainly... But before you do, could you just play-" " No! NO! a thousand times NO!" "Where are you going?" "MEXICO!"
These audios of Artie Shaw is fascinating. Even though my grandfather Barney Bigard played the clarinet for Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong. My grandfather wrote a book but it never went into the details like Artie Shaw provides. By the way my father once asked Barney Bigard what contemporary groups he thought played good music he told my father the "Rolling Stones."
No I am not working for the music industry. Unfortunately I am not a musician. So far to the best of my knowledge the descendants of Barney Bigard have not inherited any of his music aptitude.
I find it fascinating that Bigard said the Rolling Stones, for the thing I didn't quite understand is how Shaw could like a Joni Mitchell and not the Stones (they are a good blues band IMO). Personally I don't listen to rock like I do Jazz Latin World or Classical. Now Barney Bigard was an unbelievable musician, he was, along with Artie Shaw Buster Bailey Benny Goodman and Edmond Hall the biggest swing era clarinet influences. My mentor was Franz Jackson and he talked about Bigard and Bailey as his favourite clarinets.
Wow! I found my double in life. Thank you for this amazing interview with this amazingly honest man. Boy people really hate you when you tell the truth. I had never heard Artie Shaw play until after the first interview. He was incredible! Benny Goodman was nothing compared to Artie. I interviewed the great Bassist Ben Tucker and he told me out of playing on 500 albums the hardest was Benny Goodman because he was so difficult to work with. Back to Artie, God I would of loved to of known him but I get the feeling that he would be hard to be friends with. His mind races a mile a minute but he would probably tell you something that would change your life forever. A totally no bullshit guy just like me!
The problem with “no bullshit” people is that “bullshit” is usually a synonym/euphemism for “other people’s feelings or priorities.” It’s self-serving bullshit that deludes itself that it’s just honesty.
@pinverarity I think it's more like saying " Hey people, the Emperor has no clothes on". After spending the last 50 years of my life playing music professionally I totally agreed with Artie's saying that the music business is just shallow entertainment.
Listen to Artie's 'Stardust ' solo from 1941 it's amazing and as intellectual as Artie himself the way he goes in and out of the chord structure and creates a masterful genius melodic memorable solo. The 1950 'Stardust' solo was just as great but different . More contemporary of the time and even hints at bee bop at times. Artie really was a musical genius and his creativity level was through the roof. He could play the same tune over and over again and each time he will play something different. Artie had a very large vocabulary of musical ideas. One of the most talented, intellectual and complex of men.
Uh, no. Look at any of the books about Bessie Smith or Bert Williams. Lots and lots of people knew the miseries of the industry while Shaw was in grade school.
A Prima Donna that was arguably the best. It's a shame he didn't appreciate the people/his audience that made him. He loved himself even more than we did. To each their own.
LOVE Artie in the movie, 2nd chorus, playing himself...watching KEN BURNS GREAT Documentary on Jazz some years back... here Artie Shaw was a very successful bandleader and musician. making a whole lot of money, having BIG hit records. and his parents were ashamed of him. they wanted him to be a doctor. or get into a more respectful profession/so they could brag to THEIR friends. Artie would send them his latest hit records from the road. his parents NEVER played them. they would put them in the closet to collect dust, Artie found out later...and Music Arrangers have ALWAYS been the unsung heroes of the music business.
Uh, I think you're confusing Shaw with Bix Beiderbecke. There is plenty of reason to believe that Beiderbecke did have that crushing experience. I have never heard that about Artie Shaw.
@@deanchovan6604 if I remember correctly, it was several hours long. Burns cut it up, into parts, series... trying to get as much as he could into it. but a real GOOD documentary on Jazz none the less.
Listening to Mr. Shaw articulate what went into the recordings gives us a look into the work and business considerations of show BUSINESS. It’s not easy and suited for only a few. As a piano player, I have no illusions as to what it takes to work in such an industry. It would be easier to be a full time ditch digger.
Eddie Sauter/Artie Shaw The Maid With The Flaccid Air is accessible on TH-cam, very cool indeed, and it includes great photos of the ensemble. Also Eddie & Stan Getz Focus is on TH-cam, fantastic stuff.
Do you have any Stan Kenton interviews (not already online)? My father is in the hospital and I want him to hear some Kenton interviews before he passes.
usually within a few months, the band will start to see the bandleaders musical & show style & vision. a good bandleader will make every night a great night, there are no bad days in the office at all. they will remember that band forever; most of them, will never be in another band like it. just like in good Army leadership, the band members come first b4 the leader: when push comes to shove band eats first, get paid first etc., the band starts to realize not only the leaders mission dedication, but his respect and admiration of them. remember most leaders will never acquire 10% of the power of the 1% 'ers Artie Shaw types; but in all genres and at all levels of money and fame(from zero to hero), the commonalities of vision/ideas, love and admiration, people come first were always there and always will be. Almost every one of those musicians who served (under) Artie, if he called today would be on the next flight out, regardless of the pay.
For a very short time, this was on TH-cam. Sometimes, DVDs of this can be found, but they're not authorized DVD releases and are of rather iffy quality. Last year, this 1985, Academy Award-winning documentary was shown at the Toronto International Film Festival after a 4K restoration. It was supposed to be permanently archived in the collection of The Film Reference Library. Too bad this wasn't released as a Blu-Ray or 4K. There is a 2003 BBC documentary on TH-cam, "Artie Shaw's Quest For Perfection" on TH-cam in 7(?) chapters. At 93, Mr. Shaw was super-sharp. It's too bad that both documentaries can't be seen, because these show Mr. Shaw 20 years apart, talking about his career.
His comments about the US not getting any better was recorded in the middle of the Reagan's second term. Given what we're facing in 2025, I know exactly what he's talking about.
Artie Shaw was a very clever son of a bitch but he knew what he wanted and he was a brilliant clarinet player probably one of the best of his Generation but as a man he could be difficult to live with and didn't suffer fools gladly.
This interviewer isn't too wonderful. He didn't follow threads if they weren't musical. I like to play the recorded live shows from NY, even if they (probably) are what he didn't care to keep doing.
*last minute of the interview* carly simon: bullshit joni mitchell: doing interesting things rolling stones: don't tell me about this prince: what is that
Fantastic, as much as I can agree with someone I find it absurd illogical irrational and inexplicable that he can diss the Stones yet I can't stand jazz and you jazzologists would tell me how absurd illogical and irrational that is👍
Could listen to him for hours. Great discussion !!!
Speaks his mind and knows who he is.
its like listening to him toot his horn
I played a couple of pieces for his 75 birthday,and he was very nice ,it was a big honor to play for this master.....
This is totally fascinating on many levels- historical, musical, personal, and particularly, the human condition. Artie was a dynamo, driven by something he strove to understand, but, it seems, always just eluded him. You can hear it grinding his gears.
I can picture him arriving at the pearly gates "Ah- Mr Arshawsky- welcome!" "Can I come in?" "Certainly... But before you do, could you just play-" " No! NO! a thousand times NO!" "Where are you going?" "MEXICO!"
These audios of Artie Shaw is fascinating. Even though my grandfather Barney Bigard played the clarinet for Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong. My grandfather wrote a book but it never went into the details like Artie Shaw provides. By the way my father once asked Barney Bigard what contemporary groups he thought played good music he told my father the "Rolling Stones."
Just wondering if you are working in the music industry.. If a player, you have good DNA working for you.
No I am not working for the music industry. Unfortunately I am not a musician. So far to the best of my knowledge the descendants of Barney Bigard have not inherited any of his music aptitude.
Barney Bigard blows Artie Shaw out of the water!
I find it fascinating that Bigard said the Rolling Stones, for the thing I didn't quite understand is how Shaw could like a Joni Mitchell and not the Stones (they are a good blues band IMO). Personally I don't listen to rock like I do Jazz Latin World or Classical.
Now Barney Bigard was an unbelievable musician, he was, along with Artie Shaw Buster Bailey Benny Goodman and Edmond Hall the biggest swing era clarinet influences. My mentor was Franz Jackson and he talked about Bigard and Bailey as his favourite clarinets.
Ken Burns wonderful documentary on Jazz opened my eyes to how good a musician Barney Bigard was.
What a gem of a human being and raconteur !
Thanks for sharing ✨📡🎼🧡
Wow! I found my double in life. Thank you for this amazing interview with this amazingly honest man. Boy people really hate you when you tell the truth. I had never heard Artie Shaw play until after the first interview. He was incredible! Benny Goodman was nothing compared to Artie. I interviewed the great Bassist Ben Tucker and he told me out of playing on 500 albums the hardest was Benny Goodman because he was so difficult to work with. Back to Artie, God I would of loved to of known him but I get the feeling that he would be hard to be friends with. His mind races a mile a minute but he would probably tell you something that would change your life forever. A totally no bullshit guy just like me!
The problem with “no bullshit” people is that “bullshit” is usually a synonym/euphemism for “other people’s feelings or priorities.” It’s self-serving bullshit that deludes itself that it’s just honesty.
@pinverarity I think it's more like saying " Hey people, the Emperor has no clothes on". After spending the last 50 years of my life playing music professionally I totally agreed with Artie's saying that the music business is just shallow entertainment.
I could listen to his take on life all night…too bad not more of him like this exists
Rest In Peace Mr. Shaw
Bravo...
Musicians should be like this ❤❤❤❤
His gramnercy five is an epitome of music
This is amazing. Please post more
I have more, Stan Getz and Buddy Rich coming soon!
Listen to Artie's 'Stardust ' solo from 1941 it's amazing and as intellectual as Artie himself the way he goes in and out of the chord structure and creates a masterful genius melodic memorable solo. The 1950 'Stardust' solo was just as great but different . More contemporary of the time and even hints at bee bop at times. Artie really was a musical genius and his creativity level was through the roof. He could play the same tune over and over again and each time he will play something different. Artie had a very large vocabulary of musical ideas. One of the most talented, intellectual and complex of men.
Thanks so much! Mr. Shaw telling it like it is, as usual.
Cool.
Thanks for sharing
real conversation, real people
Mind blowing wisdom
So brilliant,it haunts him!
A brilliant mind!
Absolutely!!
@@AndrewOkus Genius!
He knew the truth about the music industry long before anyone.
No shit!!
Uh, no. Look at any of the books about Bessie Smith or Bert Williams. Lots and lots of people knew the miseries of the industry while Shaw was in grade school.
A Prima Donna that was arguably the best. It's a shame he didn't appreciate the people/his audience that made him. He loved himself even more than we did. To each their own.
This interview is out at the same time as Buddy's interview-- both amazing !
Good to hear him acknowledge Joni.
Both Parts 1 and 2 fascinating. Subscribed.
thanks
LOVE Artie in the movie, 2nd chorus, playing himself...watching KEN BURNS GREAT Documentary on Jazz some years back... here Artie Shaw was a very successful bandleader and musician. making a whole lot of money, having BIG hit records. and his parents were ashamed of him. they wanted him to be a doctor. or get into a more respectful profession/so they could brag to THEIR friends.
Artie would send them his latest hit records from the road. his parents NEVER played them. they would put them in the closet to collect dust, Artie found out later...and Music Arrangers have ALWAYS been the unsung heroes of the music business.
and MOST of those BIG bandleaders BACK in the day. had PLENTY of girlfriends...IN EVERY CITY. 🤣😂🤣
Uh, I think you're confusing Shaw with Bix Beiderbecke. There is plenty of reason to believe that Beiderbecke did have that crushing experience. I have never heard that about Artie Shaw.
@@bobtaylor170 it's in Ken Burns documentary on Jazz. that's why I mentioned it.
@@mysticakhenaton1701 Burn's documentary was to short to do justice to many other of the greats.
@@deanchovan6604 if I remember correctly, it was several hours long. Burns cut it up, into parts, series... trying to get as much as he could into it. but a real GOOD documentary on Jazz none the less.
thank you. refreshing to listen to a mind that's clear
Listening to Mr. Shaw articulate what went into the recordings gives us a look into the work and business considerations of show BUSINESS. It’s not easy and suited for only a few. As a piano player, I have no illusions as to what it takes to work in such an industry. It would be easier to be a full time ditch digger.
Eddie Sauter/Artie Shaw The Maid With The Flaccid Air is accessible on TH-cam, very cool indeed, and it includes great photos of the ensemble. Also Eddie & Stan Getz Focus is on TH-cam, fantastic stuff.
Not to be confused with Debussy's The Maid With The Flaxen Hair!
Anyone know what the record is he refers to with three versions of Stardust? I can't find it
Artie Shaw is referring to “Self Portrait,” a 5-CD collection of his favorite performances. I was able to buy it used at a very good price.
Could listen to him for hours; such an exceptional personality (not even getting into the subject matter of Shaw as an artist!)
One thing is clear: he was not a "simple, pleasant, nice citizen".
Do you have any Stan Kenton interviews (not already online)? My father is in the hospital and I want him to hear some Kenton interviews before he passes.
sorry, no
usually within a few months, the band will start to see the bandleaders musical & show style & vision. a good bandleader will make every night a great night, there are no bad days in the office at all. they will remember that band forever; most of them, will never be in another band like it. just like in good Army leadership, the band members come first b4 the leader: when push comes to shove band eats first, get paid first etc., the band starts to realize not only the leaders mission dedication, but his respect and admiration of them. remember most leaders will never acquire 10% of the power of the 1% 'ers Artie Shaw types; but in all genres and at all levels of money and fame(from zero to hero), the commonalities of vision/ideas, love and admiration, people come first were always there and always will be. Almost every one of those musicians who served (under) Artie, if he called today would be on the next flight out, regardless of the pay.
From 15..very interesting 😊his words point to the fact that almost all musicians are so uneducated
They don't think.
I can't say I agree with him on all aspects....
Where can you see the movie Artie Shaw: Time Is All You've Got ?
He's too cool....
I don't know. Google it. If it's around somewhere, it may be in the Internet Archive, which is easily accessible.
For a very short time, this was on TH-cam. Sometimes, DVDs of this can be found, but they're not authorized DVD releases and are of rather iffy quality. Last year, this 1985, Academy Award-winning documentary was shown at the Toronto International Film Festival after a 4K restoration. It was supposed to be permanently archived in the collection of The Film Reference Library. Too bad this wasn't released as a Blu-Ray or 4K. There is a 2003 BBC documentary on TH-cam, "Artie Shaw's Quest For Perfection" on TH-cam in 7(?) chapters. At 93, Mr. Shaw was super-sharp. It's too bad that both documentaries can't be seen, because these show Mr. Shaw 20 years apart, talking about his career.
"You won't believe some of the things he says!"
His comments about the US not getting any better was recorded in the middle of the Reagan's second term. Given what we're facing in 2025, I know exactly what he's talking about.
Have some more blue Kool Aid. Take your BS elsewhere.
Gregory is right. Your hat is over your eyes, son, and you're headed straight for the end of the pier.
Dopey!
You would know 😂@@gregoryjohnson8087
@@bobtaylor170You would know 😂
Artie Shaw was a very clever son of a bitch but he knew what he wanted and he was a brilliant clarinet player probably one of the best of his Generation but as a man he could be difficult to live with and didn't suffer fools gladly.
Artie Shaw would have hated Trump and rightfully so
Wrongfully so
Stop projecting your obsession and delusion
Such an odd way of communicating. He’s arguing with himself. What a mensch.
Yeah, there's a keening sensibility to his voice throughout, but he is very forthright and transparent.
This interviewer isn't too wonderful. He didn't follow threads if they weren't musical. I like to play the recorded live shows from NY, even if they (probably) are what he didn't care to keep doing.
*last minute of the interview*
carly simon: bullshit
joni mitchell: doing interesting things
rolling stones: don't tell me about this
prince: what is that
Fantastic, as much as I can agree with someone I find it absurd illogical irrational and inexplicable that he can diss the Stones yet I can't stand jazz and you jazzologists would tell me how absurd illogical and irrational that is👍
lol