I like the transparent dial. It does look pretty good. Your analysis is always well considered. The “toys” in your background are always clever, sometimes suggesting something, yet not showing it.
I was looking at the CW online recently and I admit that the draw of these transparent dials is lost on me. It just makes me feel like when you book a hotel room that advertises a window, and then you pull open the curtains and all you can see is the external wall of the hotel next door, 2m in front of your window....
That's a great analogy, and I agree completely. Also, LOL @ the CW having an (expensive) "sapphire" dial. Who cares? It's not exposed to scratches, and sapphire doesn't have any magical optical properties...
I know it says Omnion but to me it looks like "Drunion". Very bling, great colour - totally not my thing but who cares? Good luck to those that like it. Is it wrong to like the caseback more than the face?
This Orunion piece is absolutely stunning 😮! Finally I am able to see ALL dates of the month at just one glance! I'll never be in doubt again about tomorrow or the day before 🤣. Outlook on a datewheel, Ominous rocks!
Could you please take it on you to review the Proxima PX1701? That is a really more homage to CW sapphire and more commercial than this one. I see anybody reviewing the PX 1697, but i have not seen anyone taking on the PX1701. I bought it with a blue skeleton dial on a bracelet but still waiting for it.
I wish they'd done this concept with a no-date movement, as I just really don't care for exposed date wheels, even if some people love them. Translucent or transparent watches are a great alternative to skeletonized watches.
Interesting watch. Thanks for sharing!!...it looks closer to the original CW saphire. The good..they didn't use the annoying pair of black screws on either side of the dial to hold the sapphire down. The see-through design is better more transparent than CW, which is not transparent enough unless in full sunlight. As far as plastic vs sapphire, it doesn't make much of a difference as CW coats thier transparent sapphire with a blue colored resin (aka plastic) to achieve the colorized effect. The 41mm case is more appropriately sized for my 7.5" wrist than the CW at 40mm. The stainless bezel of the CW makes it wear like a 38 or smaller, so it doesn't get a lot of wear time. This watch will definitely have more presence. The lume is actually comparable to the CW, which is on the pitiful side of CW applications. The bad..what's with the logo? Definitely confusing and distracting. A pet peeve of mine is if using a transparent caseback, don't print stuff all over it! The purpose of a transparent caseback is to view the movement! Speaking of the case, I agree...they need to lighten up on polished surfaces. More brushed..more depth. Current brushing appears to be an afterthought. The movement...I will never touch a Chinese movement, because they are essentially throw-away watches without the ability to service. I can also confirm, I've had a consistent issue across the standard SW200 day-date version with the movement "helecoptering" when I wind them. I've had at least four do this. I've never experienced the issue with Seiko, STP, ETA, Tudor, etc or any other Sellita models including the elabore version of the SW200. I did, however, have the same problem with my new Glashutte Original Pano that has yet to be returned from service since May, so I guess it happens, but I tend to avoid SW200 if I can. My only experience with an STP is with Wicked Watch Pearl Diver. It runs like a champ and I've really put it through the riggers of daily life. I wish econo brands would consider STP before running to the Sellita SW200.
@Watchkar sure...really simple. When you wind the crown, the rotor spins as if it's attached directly to the crown acting like a little helicopter. You can feel the rotor spinning if you don't have an exhibition case back. It's very noticeable and the crown feels harder to turn. From what I've been told, this is due to poor lubrication of the reversing gears on the rotor. The rotor should spin freely. When the lubrication wears out or it's poorly lubricated from the start, you'll get the helecoptering of the rotor. You'll notice this developing over time as you can spin the rotor a little faster to coax the drive train to spin. At some point, they'll become "fixed" and while you can wind the watch, it's not recommended as the centrifugal force will likely cause damage. Best option is to ship them back for service. (Two christopher wards, one Swiss Watch Co and others all with the SW200..of course my glasutte original pano isn't an SW, but it had the same manifestation. Personally, I'm not convinced this is actually what's happening since it's so consistent with the standard SW200 movement. No issues with the elabore or the GMT version (I think the GMT is SW300 or 330). Strangly, the SW200 is supposed to be a direct clone of the ETA 2824, but I've never had this problem with the ETA, so I'm thinking it's not a perfect clone. There must be some manufacturing trade secrets that were missed. I've never spoken to a trained watchmaker, but it would definitely be a good conversation topic! Clearly, Seiko has a completely different rotor drive train as there's almost no resistance when winding and I've had zero issues with the NH series. To avoid this from happening, I now only wind the watch enough to get the second hand ticking..sometimes, I just shake it... then set the time and wear. After about half a day of wear, I should be fully wound with the rotor movement alone. This whole rotor issue is one reason why I prefer manual wound movements.
@@markedfortime Ohh, gotcha. Yeah I know exactly what you’re talking about and it happened to me with the ETA powermatic 80 movement on my Tissot. It’s exactly what you said: poor lubrication/a fragile clutch system for the rotor. Had an Oris with an SW200 within which thankfully didn’t have the issue but it is crazy it happened to so many of your watches. Cheers and thanks for sharing
I honestly see "Onion" with a sided "2" on the dial. Then i see the layers under i'm sure it is one! 😜 Thanks, but my wallet has to be the king of onions, every time i open it to see what's (not...) inside, i cry... 😂😂😂 Cheers Shane, thanks for the review, but this one is not for me. Be well mate, cheers.
Well I can accept the idea behind the watch and the dial is done nicely. But the mostly polished case doesn't fit this style of watch at all and frankly kills this for me. It rather should be fully brushed.
If I sent you a promethium dialed watch, can you use your analytical chemistry magic to find out just how much promethium (or it’s samarium decay product) is present in the lume?
Well most of my experience has been in analyzing small organic molecules. So not exactly in my wheelhouse, but if I could get time on a mass spec, theoretically I could. The trick is that most of the techniques I know of are destructive in nature... which you probably wouldn't want. Like break off a piece, grind it into a powder with a motor and pestle, then dissolve it in a solvent. After that shoot it into a GC-MS or LC-MS for analysis along with a set of Promethean standards to create a calibration curve. Although the proper thing to do would be to do some literature research beforehand and see if there is an easier / better / less destructive technique. Since it's radioactive there is probably some radiological assay that can measure the decay over a period of time. Which might tell you the concentration.
@@RelativeTime My curiosity stems from the fact that I have one P-Japan-P marked Citizen watch that still, albeit *very* faintly, glows continuously; It’s a diver from the mid-late 90s. I was wondering if the glow would come from the tiny amount of remaining promethium-147 itself, or if the daughter isotope, samarium-147, could possibly be responsible. Samarium-147 is, based on my limited scientific understanding, a weakly radioactive alpha emitter, and I wouldn’t be inclined to think that the radioactivity would be anywhere near sufficient to excite the phosphors in the paint. I just want to know why it’s still glowing lol
This is potentially part of a much larger conversation, and I could point out that a little over a week ago I had both an expensive Seiko and a laco I purchased. Regardless let's talk about the provided watches... both ones I get to keep and prototypes I'm just borrowing. First off, watch review channels do not make a lot of money. At least not from youtube revenue, and not enough to pay for an interesting watch once a week for an entire month. (even a channel at this size) So being able to get watches in without going out of pocket is a good way of being able to consistently create content. As well as then save up money to buy interesting watches, rather than whatever is on sale. As a side note... since you mentioned integrity... the smaller channels that are able to be completely self-sufficient are doing so by either becoming Affiliate marketing machines or charging microbrands a $300-$600 fee for their reviews. Neither of which I'm doing. Now Ideally I would like a nice balance on this channel, and there are times I'm doing too many provided reviews and not enough of the watches I've bought. I'm well aware of this, and that's been especially true this summer. In the background, I'm trying to space things out, yet in practice, it hasn't always worked out. I could go into more details, but let's just say that due to a number of delays a bunch of watches all showed up at the same time this summer. And once I give my word that I'm willing to review something, I try my best to keep it. Although back to the integrity comment. This is something I talked about in my Ask Me Anything video I did a while ago. One of the things I do to keep a good balance is that getting to keep something is never a requirement to do a review on it. Which is not true for every channel out there. In fact, my personal policy is that I don't even bring it up unless a brand owner does. At which point I'm very transparent that while it's appreciated, it's never a requirement. Along the same lines, I almost never solicit reviews from brands. 95% of the time its brands asking me. Now you may have heard the saying that there is no such thing as a free lunch... well you can say the same thing about watches as well. Regardless of the 10-15hours I put into each of these, anything that is provided to the channel is considered income. At least by the IRS in the USA. So while it may not cost me anything when it shows up, at the end of the year Uncle Sam is going to want his cut. This is why these days I don't really look at them as free, as much as discounted. As well as one reason I turn down 80% of the requests I get and only agree to review something if there is some aspect I think is interesting. Lastly, I want to apologize for the length of this comment. Or if any part of this came off as being snide or annoyed. I'm not,. It's just that I try to take ethics and integrity seriously and try to be transparent about where I stand on things with this channel. So if someone asks or brings something up, I want to be upfront about things.
I saw the Presage Cocktail Mojito review from you last day, and I've fall in love. What colours do you think are good of this vario straps for the Mojito green?
The funny thing is that when i first got it, I emailed Ivan at vario and asked him the same thing. His suggestion was the distressed grey I have in that video. Otherwise I'd say stick to a dark brown, maybe black.
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I like the transparent dial. It does look pretty good. Your analysis is always well considered. The “toys” in your background are always clever, sometimes suggesting something, yet not showing it.
I was looking at the CW online recently and I admit that the draw of these transparent dials is lost on me. It just makes me feel like when you book a hotel room that advertises a window, and then you pull open the curtains and all you can see is the external wall of the hotel next door, 2m in front of your window....
That's a great analogy, and I agree completely.
Also, LOL @ the CW having an (expensive) "sapphire" dial. Who cares? It's not exposed to scratches, and sapphire doesn't have any magical optical properties...
Some people love them, but there isn't much of a functional purpose to them. It seems like it was a solution in search of a problem, so to speak.
Super cool. I'm getting the brown version.
I like the overall look of this but I think it needs larger hands or a different shape for the hands. Great review as always!
I know it says Omnion but to me it looks like "Drunion". Very bling, great colour - totally not my thing but who cares? Good luck to those that like it.
Is it wrong to like the caseback more than the face?
I kept seeing these and thought they said Drunion, also. Even if I liked it, I don't think I could get past that.
It's a pretty thing. Just can't help thinking it a Christopher Ward you'd get from WISH.
This Orunion piece is absolutely stunning 😮! Finally I am able to see ALL dates of the month at just one glance! I'll never be in doubt again about tomorrow or the day before 🤣. Outlook on a datewheel, Ominous rocks!
😂👍
I agree with you Shane, they need to sort that branding out and the case needs a lot more brushing
we will do brushing for next batch,tks for your comments
A good review, thank you.
In regards to the movement, with Proxima you get a picture from the exact watch you bought on a Timegrapher.
Ok. They have done that for me with these review samples, but I wasn't sure if they did that for everyone. Good to know.
@@RelativeTime bought 2 different pieces over like 2 month, got pictures both times
Could you please take it on you to review the Proxima PX1701? That is a really more homage to CW sapphire and more commercial than this one. I see anybody reviewing the PX 1697, but i have not seen anyone taking on the PX1701. I bought it with a blue skeleton dial on a bracelet but still waiting for it.
I wish they'd done this concept with a no-date movement, as I just really don't care for exposed date wheels, even if some people love them. Translucent or transparent watches are a great alternative to skeletonized watches.
Interesting watch. Thanks for sharing!!...it looks closer to the original CW saphire. The good..they didn't use the annoying pair of black screws on either side of the dial to hold the sapphire down. The see-through design is better more transparent than CW, which is not transparent enough unless in full sunlight. As far as plastic vs sapphire, it doesn't make much of a difference as CW coats thier transparent sapphire with a blue colored resin (aka plastic) to achieve the colorized effect. The 41mm case is more appropriately sized for my 7.5" wrist than the CW at 40mm. The stainless bezel of the CW makes it wear like a 38 or smaller, so it doesn't get a lot of wear time. This watch will definitely have more presence. The lume is actually comparable to the CW, which is on the pitiful side of CW applications.
The bad..what's with the logo? Definitely confusing and distracting. A pet peeve of mine is if using a transparent caseback, don't print stuff all over it! The purpose of a transparent caseback is to view the movement! Speaking of the case, I agree...they need to lighten up on polished surfaces. More brushed..more depth. Current brushing appears to be an afterthought.
The movement...I will never touch a Chinese movement, because they are essentially throw-away watches without the ability to service.
I can also confirm, I've had a consistent issue across the standard SW200 day-date version with the movement "helecoptering" when I wind them. I've had at least four do this. I've never experienced the issue with Seiko, STP, ETA, Tudor, etc or any other Sellita models including the elabore version of the SW200. I did, however, have the same problem with my new Glashutte Original Pano that has yet to be returned from service since May, so I guess it happens, but I tend to avoid SW200 if I can.
My only experience with an STP is with Wicked Watch Pearl Diver. It runs like a champ and I've really put it through the riggers of daily life. I wish econo brands would consider STP before running to the Sellita SW200.
Hey there, could you tell me more about the helicoptering?
@Watchkar sure...really simple. When you wind the crown, the rotor spins as if it's attached directly to the crown acting like a little helicopter. You can feel the rotor spinning if you don't have an exhibition case back. It's very noticeable and the crown feels harder to turn. From what I've been told, this is due to poor lubrication of the reversing gears on the rotor. The rotor should spin freely. When the lubrication wears out or it's poorly lubricated from the start, you'll get the helecoptering of the rotor. You'll notice this developing over time as you can spin the rotor a little faster to coax the drive train to spin. At some point, they'll become "fixed" and while you can wind the watch, it's not recommended as the centrifugal force will likely cause damage. Best option is to ship them back for service. (Two christopher wards, one Swiss Watch Co and others all with the SW200..of course my glasutte original pano isn't an SW, but it had the same manifestation.
Personally, I'm not convinced this is actually what's happening since it's so consistent with the standard SW200 movement. No issues with the elabore or the GMT version (I think the GMT is SW300 or 330).
Strangly, the SW200 is supposed to be a direct clone of the ETA 2824, but I've never had this problem with the ETA, so I'm thinking it's not a perfect clone. There must be some manufacturing trade secrets that were missed. I've never spoken to a trained watchmaker, but it would definitely be a good conversation topic!
Clearly, Seiko has a completely different rotor drive train as there's almost no resistance when winding and I've had zero issues with the NH series.
To avoid this from happening, I now only wind the watch enough to get the second hand ticking..sometimes, I just shake it... then set the time and wear. After about half a day of wear, I should be fully wound with the rotor movement alone.
This whole rotor issue is one reason why I prefer manual wound movements.
@@markedfortime Ohh, gotcha. Yeah I know exactly what you’re talking about and it happened to me with the ETA powermatic 80 movement on my Tissot. It’s exactly what you said: poor lubrication/a fragile clutch system for the rotor. Had an Oris with an SW200 within which thankfully didn’t have the issue but it is crazy it happened to so many of your watches. Cheers and thanks for sharing
mido and rado also have transparent dials
Are they sapphire?
@@RelativeTime The Captain cook ceramic probably , Mido commander not sure
I honestly see "Onion" with a sided "2" on the dial. Then i see the layers under i'm sure it is one! 😜 Thanks, but my wallet has to be the king of onions, every time i open it to see what's (not...) inside, i cry... 😂😂😂
Cheers Shane, thanks for the review, but this one is not for me. Be well mate, cheers.
I still see Onion half the time too. I'm not sure what they were going for. Maybe some sci-fi thing, but that doesn't make sense with the caseback.
Well I can accept the idea behind the watch and the dial is done nicely. But the mostly polished case doesn't fit this style of watch at all and frankly kills this for me. It rather should be fully brushed.
If I sent you a promethium dialed watch, can you use your analytical chemistry magic to find out just how much promethium (or it’s samarium decay product) is present in the lume?
Well most of my experience has been in analyzing small organic molecules. So not exactly in my wheelhouse, but if I could get time on a mass spec, theoretically I could.
The trick is that most of the techniques I know of are destructive in nature... which you probably wouldn't want. Like break off a piece, grind it into a powder with a motor and pestle, then dissolve it in a solvent. After that shoot it into a GC-MS or LC-MS for analysis along with a set of Promethean standards to create a calibration curve.
Although the proper thing to do would be to do some literature research beforehand and see if there is an easier / better / less destructive technique. Since it's radioactive there is probably some radiological assay that can measure the decay over a period of time. Which might tell you the concentration.
@@RelativeTime My curiosity stems from the fact that I have one P-Japan-P marked Citizen watch that still, albeit *very* faintly, glows continuously; It’s a diver from the mid-late 90s. I was wondering if the glow would come from the tiny amount of remaining promethium-147 itself, or if the daughter isotope, samarium-147, could possibly be responsible. Samarium-147 is, based on my limited scientific understanding, a weakly radioactive alpha emitter, and I wouldn’t be inclined to think that the radioactivity would be anywhere near sufficient to excite the phosphors in the paint.
I just want to know why it’s still glowing lol
Maybe it's just me, but I find the case back the most attractive part of the watch.
It's funky, but I like it. I just wish I understood why it was there.
Good effort but for me the Christopher Ward is much more attractive even taking account of the price difference
The CW lightcatcher case and finishing is much better, there is no question about that.
am I the only one who thinks that the case looks like a seiko 44ks or 44gs ???
Oh my 😳 .. nope..
Onion watch 😆
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PRIMUS?
intresting but am not a fan.... cheers
Over-over-overpriced !!!
Should be down as 50-75% !
Because of the pt5000?
What a ugly watch. Very ugly
I enjoy your channel but almost every watch you review is a freebie. Stop compromising your integrity and buy a few yourself !
Do you feel Shane has been biased in any way? If not, where is this compromised integrity you speak of?
This is potentially part of a much larger conversation, and I could point out that a little over a week ago I had both an expensive Seiko and a laco I purchased. Regardless let's talk about the provided watches... both ones I get to keep and prototypes I'm just borrowing.
First off, watch review channels do not make a lot of money. At least not from youtube revenue, and not enough to pay for an interesting watch once a week for an entire month. (even a channel at this size) So being able to get watches in without going out of pocket is a good way of being able to consistently create content. As well as then save up money to buy interesting watches, rather than whatever is on sale.
As a side note... since you mentioned integrity... the smaller channels that are able to be completely self-sufficient are doing so by either becoming Affiliate marketing machines or charging microbrands a $300-$600 fee for their reviews. Neither of which I'm doing.
Now Ideally I would like a nice balance on this channel, and there are times I'm doing too many provided reviews and not enough of the watches I've bought. I'm well aware of this, and that's been especially true this summer. In the background, I'm trying to space things out, yet in practice, it hasn't always worked out. I could go into more details, but let's just say that due to a number of delays a bunch of watches all showed up at the same time this summer. And once I give my word that I'm willing to review something, I try my best to keep it.
Although back to the integrity comment. This is something I talked about in my Ask Me Anything video I did a while ago. One of the things I do to keep a good balance is that getting to keep something is never a requirement to do a review on it. Which is not true for every channel out there. In fact, my personal policy is that I don't even bring it up unless a brand owner does. At which point I'm very transparent that while it's appreciated, it's never a requirement. Along the same lines, I almost never solicit reviews from brands. 95% of the time its brands asking me.
Now you may have heard the saying that there is no such thing as a free lunch... well you can say the same thing about watches as well. Regardless of the 10-15hours I put into each of these, anything that is provided to the channel is considered income. At least by the IRS in the USA. So while it may not cost me anything when it shows up, at the end of the year Uncle Sam is going to want his cut.
This is why these days I don't really look at them as free, as much as discounted. As well as one reason I turn down 80% of the requests I get and only agree to review something if there is some aspect I think is interesting.
Lastly, I want to apologize for the length of this comment. Or if any part of this came off as being snide or annoyed. I'm not,. It's just that I try to take ethics and integrity seriously and try to be transparent about where I stand on things with this channel. So if someone asks or brings something up, I want to be upfront about things.
Well said Shane. I appreciate your openness to explain to those that question. Tunnels for another honest review.
Thanks not tunnel!
Joe please feel free to patronize his store in the interest of preserving his integrity
I saw the Presage Cocktail Mojito review from you last day, and I've fall in love. What colours do you think are good of this vario straps for the Mojito green?
The funny thing is that when i first got it, I emailed Ivan at vario and asked him the same thing. His suggestion was the distressed grey I have in that video. Otherwise I'd say stick to a dark brown, maybe black.