if you build a shelf type tray with each row tilted the opposite way from the one above it, and drill holes in the downhill end of each tray so the water trickles into the tray below it and so on you could water them easier. with a pump at the bottom to take the water back to the top and start the process again. would make your life so much easier and conserve a lot of water cause the water would be continuously recycled through the system. good video.
I absolutely love how you take the time to make this for your livestock! This shows how much you care and love them to keep them healthy!😊And if people do there research they will know that we are on top of water the earth is surrounded by water the government is the one who tells people that we are running out of water because they charge us for the water but anyone can drill on there property even in the cities and they will find water but of course the government made it against the law for people who live in cities to dig there own water wells because they can't charge them if we all had water wells, they instead tell us we are in a drought so they can continue to have control of our resources! The government would first see us die of thirst before they let people have unlimited resources to their own water wells!
for the concern of water, there are metal shelves or if you can build wood stand is best solution you can stake trays with 10 inches space distance top to bottom same water can cross throw all the trays and you can collect water to reuse it.
new subscriber here, I really hope that by now you have a better shelf system if not just let me know and I will build one for you, I love your dedication :)
@@amberboston3154 Listeria is colorless and odorless--but it infects dried material that gets wet again. It affects small wounds in the stomach (like where a worm was sucking), and then enters the brain, where it cannot be affected by any drugs. If the animal is not eating, standing around and you suspect listeria, one treatment of tetracycline LA has worked for me. You can tell when it gets to the brain because the animal may have stroke symptoms or a watery eye. By then, it's too late because the medicine can't cross the brain blood barrier. For micro greens, while they're sprouting, they spray with hydrogen peroxide diluted especially to stop damping off fungus
@@vhall7211 have you actually tried the vinegar. Many people say that it doesn't work. Do you have experience otherwise. I would love to learn how to use a fodder system that didn't require bleach.
My comment would not help on this situation but, tree hay is another source of feed for cows, (high in minerals). Tree hay is made by cutting branches about the size of your thumb and tightly binding them. They should be hung in a shed to dry. The process of cutting the tree to make it produce hay or many nice sticks or poles is called polarding. It should be done in winter and the hay collected every 2 years in July for notheran latitudes.
Interesting. I have never heard of that. We do not have a lot of trees where we live, but that could be a great way to use some of the natural resources for those who live in forested areas.
this is amazing! Thank you so much!! I have cows, chickens, pigs, goats and sheep. I plan to give this a go and see what happens! Fun to think how much prices have changed since you made this video! The wash bins at Dollar Tree were $5. lol. Not a dollar anymore! I am curious how much per head you feed for your cattle and are your dexters meat, milk or dual?
At the time we did this, I believe we had 9 cows -3 yearlings, (3) 2 year olds, and 3 older mother cows. We raise the steers for meat and the moms for dairy. We used this to supplement the hay to get through a tough winter. We haven't done it on such a large scale since then.
It is possibly to get mold, but we never had a lot of problems with it. We threw out the moldy batch and started again. If there is a small amount of mold I don't think it would hurt the animals, but if there is a lot it is not good for them. No mold is ideal.
For those worried about 'wasting' water, my green house sink is not connected to the septic tank. That water is emptied into a 'gray water' tank and is recycled. It's a bit more work for me, but I just call it 'exercise'. Like weight lifting.
Septic tank water is filtered by biofilm in leach bed and returned to the ground, where it filter through the bedrock and back to the groundwater, where it is then pumped back up through the well. It is just as recycled as "grey water"!!
roots and all? It is like green cut? (I learned that term a week ago watching these types of videos, I'm such a neophyte)...but this is freaking amazing!!! I never thought this was a possibility, so incredible, glad I stumbled across this site!
Oh, there is a site in Africa where they even say at what days to feed it to which animals....chickens and rabbits at 4 days (I think), Pigs at 6 days and goats/sheep and cattle at 8 days...if I remember correctly.
We are not growing fodder currently. One day we might do it again though. I think there are a lot of different systems, and the important part is finding a routine that works for you and your space. It really made a difference the first year we did it when the supply of hay was low. It allowed us to grow a nutrient dense feed for our cows in the winter on a budget.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thank you for answering. I am currently doing it on a small scale for 4 chickens and one rabbit. I am getting 25 more chickens this spring so I will be ramping it up. Having a little difficulty with mold. I find if I rinse it well twice a day it helps a lot. Anyway, they seem to be enjoying the greens.
So I want to have a renewable grass for my future horse I'm planning to buy barely or whatever it needs and then plant it in my yard and then harvest the seeds for the winter would that work?
You could plant and harvest barely. It would take some research. I am not sure the amount of acreage you would need to plant. And barely is like wheat, it dries out before harvest and gets farely tall, so you would not be able to use that portion of your yard. Interesting thought. Let me know how that goes!
No, we are in Southern Idaho. The Fodder grows in a wet environment. The trays keep the moisture in, so mold is a concern. In the cool winter months we did not have a problem with it. In the summer we had to watch it more closely, but we did not grow as much in the summer since we have pasture.
Do you do this only in winter? Is there any nutritional advantage of fodder over pasture or are they pretty much the same thing? Wonderful to see young people working with their families doing something right beyond sprouting here👍
I am not familiar with hydroponic growth of corn, but wheat or barley seeds work for fodder. The barley has more nutrients, so that is what we have used.
no soil required. It is just sprouts. If you watch the video, you can see the process. I also detailed it in the description. It is basically sprouts that grow together in a thick root mass.
My suggestion is that you not use bleach but if you are going to use it use it as directed. Bleach kills mold mildew bacteria and germs but likely negatively impacts the water as a nutrient as well as the seeds themselves. Baking soda and vinegar are all you need to clean everything in your whole kitchen as well as your Greenhouse system, and both have vital edible nutrients in them. The problem is too much seed for a particular container. The seed that you put into the container instantly zapped all the oxygen from the water. You can do one or two things you could either aerate the water or you can change the water given that this is not a one-time thing the best thing to do would be to aerate the water so that you have oxygenated water. By the way you should sharply decrease the amount of seed that's put into the actual tray; I've start with just a 1/4 inch of seed at the bottom of the tray. By the way heat that you guys felt was mainly the bacteria multiplying the hot water would speeds it up and the cold water slows it down The bacteria itself came from the rotting of the vegetation mainly because of lack of oxygen because there was too much seed
We have never used anything other than barley. I would imagine it will grow, but I am not familiar with it. You also have a much more humid climate than us, so mold will be more of an issue. Yours might grow much quicker as well.
I'm from the phil too. Have tried palay for my fodder system, it was a success feeding my goats.I also use corn still in the process, hope my goats will like it more.
We have had a lot of questions about feeding fodder to chickens. We just published a video on how we sprout grain for our chickens for those who are interested. Here is the link - th-cam.com/video/FUsPSQEW7tw/w-d-xo.html
This was done in the winter when they did not have access to any grazing. We were feeding 9 cows, but also feeding them hay. They still need hay for the roughage. This saved us around a bail a day.
@@TractorsandTireSwings you mean the smaII square bails not the big round bails, right? I know that cows need more than fodder in their diet. I want to grow some cows and I want them on grass not grain. so I am trying to figure out what i need, feed wise.
@@thelordschurchfarmandranch6694 When we were doing the fodder the cows were penned for the spring. They are outside, but have some covered areas in the pen, but no grass. We pen them up to let the grass grow in.
When we filmed this we had 11 head. We fed 25 lbs per day as a supplement to the hay. You should not feed straight fodder, since they need the roughage of hay for their digestion. So this just made up a portion of their diet and allowed us to stretch the hay we had a bit longer.
Question: as the grains sprout, doesn't the rinse water necessarily also contain a "soup" 9f flushed vitamins and nutrients? If so, why would you NOT feed the rinse water along with the solid product? If you recycle the rinse water, then could you not even spread the water in the pasture to add those nutrients to the soil? Or even add to a compost pile rather than just wasting the nutrients contained in the water? It seems similar to preparing a pot of stew, which contains nutrients from the meat and all veggies and spices - and then pouring the broth down the drain and only eat the solid material. Your thoughts? Has anybody compared the daily nutrient value 9f the liquid? Thanks so much for your objective videos! Susan
All good thoughts. We did have some bleach in the first phase, so we wouldn't want to feed that or use it to water. We would have to have a different system to use the water that way.
First of all Thank you for sharing , my family and I really appreciate. Can you tell us in weight how much grain you put in a trayand what is the size of the tray? would it work as good with corn?Thanks in advance for your reply , Kind Regards from Mauritius Terry
Thank you for this VERY helpful video!!! I appreciate it so much!! I went ahead and ordered the covers and then the more expensive longer lasting trays. Do you leave the halters on the calves all the time? Just wondering. We're new to being cow owners.
You are welcome! We do leave the halters on the cows, it makes them easier to handle. We watch them closely to make sure we loosen them and don't let them get too tight as they grow. The other concern would be the halters getting caught on things. We have not had a problem with this.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thank you so much. Yes, I had heard not to leave them on because they can get caught on things. Do you happen to know of a good halter breaking video/training?
@@darlamakiyrwright4688 I have not watched a video or made a video on that, sorry. We put the halter on when they are young so that they get use to it. Then make it a habit to touch them. We don't practice leading with all of our cows, but the heifers and cows we milk we use the halter to guide their head, if that makes sense. Good luck!
I've been viewing many people growing fodder for a large array from which to model our own fodder system . . . You are doing a great job with your fodder, but I have to say, and please no offense intended, but respectfully, your system looks very labor intensive, as opposed to the numerous VLOGs on fodder I have viewed . That aside, I have no room for talk, for I have not as yet gotten started with our fodder system, so kudos on your fodder system, and VLOG, thank you for sharing
@@darlamakiyrwright4688 Yes, I think that would be adequate. They need the fiber that is in roughage for their digestion to work properly. In a typical grazing diet, cows get enough of a mix of young and old plants to provide adequate fiber. The exact amount of fiber needed really depends on the cow size and the quality of the hay, but 50 % should be fine.
Hello, good morning. Thank you for the good training. Please, what are the nutrients needed for forage growth to be mixed with water? And what is the irrigation time? Explain to this email. Thank you
I'm trying this for my first time. I'm on my third day. I don't see any mold, but the smell is like the scent in vomit from someone with a stomach flu. We should be ready to go into the black trays tomorrow or the next day. Also, I'm trying to use oats, in addition to barley (different trays). I'm rinsing the seeds twice a day. Any suggestions?
I have never tried oats, so I am not sure on those. Did you use a little bit of bleach at the beginning? What is the temperature of the area where this is kept? If it is warmer the seeds will progress faster. I am not sure why it would smell like vomit. Sorry!
@@darlamakiyrwright4688 Our climate is very dry and the part of our home where this was done was fairly cool (60s). So the added moisture in the air could react differently. Maybe try moving it to the other trays a day earlier?
yes. I have heard of a lot of people feeding it to chickens. I am sure you can feed it to goats and sheep. I don't have personal experience with it or know the amount they would eat.
it can be much easier for her if she put tubes and put trays in garage or barn and put a small water pump on timer which give water after 45 mints and they just need spay on top mot a lot of water this way water will be saved as well as work done you can also reuse water if u pump water and collect it in reservoir
If the fodder grass is too tall it can get caught in their craw. We have fed them small amounts of this, but I usually sprout barley for them in a jar and feed it just as the green starts to appear. They LOVE it!
It is grass. But, unlike grass hay, you cannot feed straight fodder. The cows still need roughage in order for their digestive system to work properly. So a mixture of fodder and hay is best.
i planted a barley seeds but after few days molds arises can you help me please, im afraid to put bleach on it because im using to boost my wife immune system. please hellp asap thanks
Wheat grass red or white sprouts wayyyyyyy faster.....plain n simple they get more from doing this then jus5 throwing the grain out too them you can also try lentils they sprout in 1 day
We feed them fodder and grass hay. They need the dry matter in hay, so you can't feed them only Fodder. In the summer, cows can eat only grass. We do have a salt like block as well for minerals that are missing from our area.
You probably could. It would take a system of some sort to collect it and then re-purpose it. We did address the water issue in a previous comment by Wendy Brown if you are interested.
Whoaaaaah, that system is wayyyyyy too labor intensive. I think it's time to sit and drawer up a new plan -- one in which you can get your plants properly watered without the heavy lifting, without wasting all of that water, and without sending seeds down your drain.
I am sorry you did not find it helpful. We learned a lot in the process and having the fodder really helped when we were low on hay. There are lots of different systems out there. This is just what worked for us.
It actually makes it easier for them to eat it when we cute it. It also helps divide it between our animals so that they each get some of the fodder and some hay, which they need for roughage.
We have a well and septic system. So the water goes into the septic tank, then to a drain field, then percolates back into the earth and makes it way down to our well or the aquifer.
This stuff of hydroponic fodder production does not make any sense at all. You began with grain (high energy content), put it to germinate, a physiological process that requires energy (for the perpetration of a the plant). After spending a large portion of the energy of the seed germinating you will feed the hydroponic mass to the animals. You begin with high energy, loose energy and carbon to produce a large amount of fodder, but with almost 95% of water. This is simply an elegant and fashionable way to loose money, time and resources. I'm sorry we need to think and not just follow others' crazy ideas. you star with a grain (seed with high energy content) and end up with a roughage with around 95% of water and lower energy content. Energy was pended during the germination process. Human being likes crazy ideas. The craziest the the best.
the digestibility of the food goes way up once sprouted. The nutrition may go down, yes, but the nutrition that the animal takes in actually gets used instead of excreted. Plus its easier on the animals' digestive system.
Ask a veterinarian why feeding fodder is better then feeding dry grain and he will tell you there is a lot more happening when the plant is green and growing it has hydration factors that you will never get with grain alone also you are adding to the amount of nutrients from the sprouting process but then you see this from your own perspective and see it as a waste of time and that ok too good day
The whole world of science is based on trial and error error error error error error and more trials before good solutions are found. It is extremely rare for anyone to do anything perfect the first time out think back when you first tried to walk, or to talk, or to drive, or to be diplomatic.
I watched your video about 100 times to make sure I got it right. Now I have down to a science. Thanks so much for sharing.
Glad it helped!
One of the best videos on fodder system(s) I have seen. Thanks so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks,you have the best grandma in the world. So many farmers will benefit from this
if you build a shelf type tray with each row tilted the opposite way from the one above it, and drill holes in the downhill end of each tray so the water trickles into the tray below it and so on you could water them easier. with a pump at the bottom to take the water back to the top and start the process again. would make your life so much easier and conserve a lot of water cause the water would be continuously recycled through the system. good video.
I have seen systems like that. This worked for our space and time, but that would save time.
That is genius!! I haven’t tried this yet, but I want to do it for the chickens and goats I plan to get. I love the idea of rigging a pump system!
That's what i built.
I absolutely love how you take the time to make this for your livestock! This shows how much you care and love them to keep them healthy!😊And if people do there research they will know that we are on top of water the earth is surrounded by water the government is the one who tells people that we are running out of water because they charge us for the water but anyone can drill on there property even in the cities and they will find water but of course the government made it against the law for people who live in cities to dig there own water wells because they can't charge them if we all had water wells, they instead tell us we are in a drought so they can continue to have control of our resources! The government would first see us die of thirst before they let people have unlimited resources to their own water wells!
Thanks for Step by Step, helps with new chicken owners like me. Enjoyed your video
You are welcome! Glad it was helpful.
Thanks for the detailed video, great process!
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful.
Thank you for this video! I've been struggling with mold in my fodder. Also, had no idea about covering.
Glad it was helpful!
Great educational video👍👍
for the concern of water, there are metal shelves or if you can build wood stand is best solution you can stake trays with 10 inches space distance top to bottom same water can cross throw all the trays and you can collect water to reuse it.
Yes and then with wood you have mold and using ssnecwater it goes from one tray to next one to next one.
new subscriber here, I really hope that by now you have a better shelf system if not just let me know and I will build one for you, I love your dedication :)
Cheaper than feed and a lot healthier!!
I use this similar method and it works out very well.
Add 1 cup vinegar to the soaking water to prevent listeria--use at any stage of the process
Is listeria that yucky smell that sometimes occurs in fodder?
@@amberboston3154 I don't think it smells at all. If your fodder stinks it's probably not safe to eat--it got too wet
@@amberboston3154 Listeria is colorless and odorless--but it infects dried material that gets wet again. It affects small wounds in the stomach (like where a worm was sucking), and then enters the brain, where it cannot be affected by any drugs. If the animal is not eating, standing around and you suspect listeria, one treatment of tetracycline LA has worked for me. You can tell when it gets to the brain because the animal may have stroke symptoms or a watery eye. By then, it's too late because the medicine can't cross the brain blood barrier.
For micro greens, while they're sprouting, they spray with hydrogen peroxide diluted especially to stop damping off fungus
I think baking soda prevents mold but I think you have done an awesome job. Thanks for sharing, I need to check into this as well.
Thank you!
H2o2 to keep seedlings clean until sprout
No--mold needs a basic environment (not acid), so acidifying the water inhibits mold. 1 c vinegar to 5 gal water
@@vhall7211 have you actually tried the vinegar. Many people say that it doesn't work. Do you have experience otherwise. I would love to learn how to use a fodder system that didn't require bleach.
very helpful. thank you
My comment would not help on this situation but, tree hay is another source of feed for cows, (high in minerals). Tree hay is made by cutting branches about the size of your thumb and tightly binding them. They should be hung in a shed to dry. The process of cutting the tree to make it produce hay or many nice sticks or poles is called polarding. It should be done in winter and the hay collected every 2 years in July for notheran latitudes.
Interesting. I have never heard of that. We do not have a lot of trees where we live, but that could be a great way to use some of the natural resources for those who live in forested areas.
So when soaking to germinate have you tried certain tempertures for better results?
this is amazing! Thank you so much!! I have cows, chickens, pigs, goats and sheep. I plan to give this a go and see what happens! Fun to think how much prices have changed since you made this video! The wash bins at Dollar Tree were $5. lol. Not a dollar anymore! I am curious how much per head you feed for your cattle and are your dexters meat, milk or dual?
At the time we did this, I believe we had 9 cows -3 yearlings, (3) 2 year olds, and 3 older mother cows. We raise the steers for meat and the moms for dairy. We used this to supplement the hay to get through a tough winter. We haven't done it on such a large scale since then.
Is there any chance of formation of mould and fungus and harm to the goats pls answer to the question
It is possibly to get mold, but we never had a lot of problems with it. We threw out the moldy batch and started again. If there is a small amount of mold I don't think it would hurt the animals, but if there is a lot it is not good for them. No mold is ideal.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thanks a lot
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What are you doing for lighting? Do you use natural light, led's or no light?
For those worried about 'wasting' water, my green house sink is not connected to the septic tank. That water is emptied into a 'gray water' tank and is recycled. It's a bit more work for me, but I just call it 'exercise'. Like weight lifting.
yea for you
Septic tank water is filtered by biofilm in leach bed and returned to the ground, where it filter through the bedrock and back to the groundwater, where it is then pumped back up through the well. It is just as recycled as "grey water"!!
Have you tried a sump pump in the gray water tank? They are inexpensive and we hook up hoses to our rain barrels to water our gardens.
Would running a fan to circulate air in summer work to decrease mold?
Possibly. We have never tried that, but it might help. The covers hold in the moisture, so it is a tricky balance.
Keep on eye on your drains. All them seeds can clog them eventually.
roots and all? It is like green cut? (I learned that term a week ago watching these types of videos, I'm such a neophyte)...but this is freaking amazing!!! I never thought this was a possibility, so incredible, glad I stumbled across this site!
Yes! It is actually very nutritious for the cows. They still need to have some dry feed for digestion, but a mix of this and hay is perfect.
and for goats, sheep and chickens? Will chickens eat that?
Yes! Chickens love it. We don't currently have goats or sheep, but I would think they would all enjoy it as a part of their diet.
Yep, they do eat it...a little internet searching shows they like it too. This is great!
Oh, there is a site in Africa where they even say at what days to feed it to which animals....chickens and rabbits at 4 days (I think), Pigs at 6 days and goats/sheep and cattle at 8 days...if I remember correctly.
Do you still do fodder? Any tips or changes you've made?
We are not growing fodder currently. One day we might do it again though. I think there are a lot of different systems, and the important part is finding a routine that works for you and your space. It really made a difference the first year we did it when the supply of hay was low. It allowed us to grow a nutrient dense feed for our cows in the winter on a budget.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thank you for answering. I am currently doing it on a small scale for 4 chickens and one rabbit. I am getting 25 more chickens this spring so I will be ramping it up. Having a little difficulty with mold. I find if I rinse it well twice a day it helps a lot. Anyway, they seem to be enjoying the greens.
@@eldenl1 I am sorry you have had trouble with mold. I hope you are able to find a system that works for you!
So I want to have a renewable grass for my future horse I'm planning to buy barely or whatever it needs and then plant it in my yard and then harvest the seeds for the winter would that work?
You could plant and harvest barely. It would take some research. I am not sure the amount of acreage you would need to plant. And barely is like wheat, it dries out before harvest and gets farely tall, so you would not be able to use that portion of your yard. Interesting thought. Let me know how that goes!
Check with your vet before using folder for horses. Many horses will founder on new grass.
Instead of pouring the rinse/soak water down drain.... could you use it to water chickens?
Thanks for the video. Do you always feed fodder and hay together year round? Does too much fodder cause bloat?
We do always feed them together. Cows need dry matter for proper digestion.
@@TractorsandTireSwings thank you!
Wondering about the concern over mold. Is this video done in the more-humid Eastern US?
No, we are in Southern Idaho. The Fodder grows in a wet environment. The trays keep the moisture in, so mold is a concern. In the cool winter months we did not have a problem with it. In the summer we had to watch it more closely, but we did not grow as much in the summer since we have pasture.
Maybe put a fan facing them in the summer 😁
How many Dexter's do you have?
At the time we did this we had 9 - 3 yearlings, 3 2-year olds and 3 older mother cows
HI, is it possible to fed ruminants just with that fodder or do they still need to eat hay for a balanced diet? thanks!
They still need hay for digestion
Mine end up with lots of flying insects. Any tip for this problem?
I am sorry. We have not had that problem.
Very interesting.
Do you do this only in winter? Is there any nutritional advantage of fodder over pasture or are they pretty much the same thing? Wonderful to see young people working with their families doing something right beyond sprouting here👍
Maize seeds wheat seeds and barly seed are they all forlow under hydropornic feeds
I am not familiar with hydroponic growth of corn, but wheat or barley seeds work for fodder. The barley has more nutrients, so that is what we have used.
At 3.20 when you drain the first one. Drain it in the second one to safe little water every time?
Thank you for Sharing your work. Best wishes
Where do you buy your seeds
At a local feed store.
How many square inches of a fodder cube or cake would way a pound.
I am sorry, I am not sure.
hi its my first time trying to plant these, is it necessary to put a soil in it? (i have read it somewhere) cuz your's doesn't look like it does..
no soil required. It is just sprouts. If you watch the video, you can see the process. I also detailed it in the description. It is basically sprouts that grow together in a thick root mass.
Love what you are, where can I get Bali from?
We get Barley form a feed store.
What does the Clorox do ?
it reduces the risk of mold and mildew
@@TractorsandTireSwings oh ok. Thanks!
My suggestion is that you not use bleach but if you are going to use it use it as directed. Bleach kills mold mildew bacteria and germs but likely negatively impacts the water as a nutrient as well as the seeds themselves.
Baking soda and vinegar are all you need to clean everything in your whole kitchen as well as your Greenhouse system, and both have vital edible nutrients in them.
The problem is too much seed for a particular container. The seed that you put into the container instantly zapped all the oxygen from the water. You can do one or two things you could either aerate the water or you can change the water given that this is not a one-time thing the best thing to do would be to aerate the water so that you have oxygenated water.
By the way you should sharply decrease the amount of seed that's put into the actual tray;
I've start with just a 1/4 inch of seed at the bottom of the tray.
By the way heat that you guys felt was mainly the bacteria multiplying the hot water would speeds it up and the cold water slows it down
The bacteria itself came from the rotting of the vegetation mainly because of lack of oxygen because there was too much seed
Would it be possible to grow fodder to sell locally for rabbit and chicken feed
I am not sure. I have only grown it for my own cows.
My first impression is that it uses a lot of water. Is that not a concern?
True. We have our own well and septic system, so water is not a concern for us.
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Mine got smelly day 2. Used mixed seeds. Probably 7 different type.
Can I use rice or soya. I'm in Philippines and barley not available
We have never used anything other than barley. I would imagine it will grow, but I am not familiar with it. You also have a much more humid climate than us, so mold will be more of an issue. Yours might grow much quicker as well.
@@TractorsandTireSwings thanks
Wheat does very well
I'm from the phil too. Have tried palay for my fodder system, it was a success feeding my goats.I also use corn still in the process, hope my goats will like it more.
We have had a lot of questions about feeding fodder to chickens. We just published a video on how we sprout grain for our chickens for those who are interested. Here is the link - th-cam.com/video/FUsPSQEW7tw/w-d-xo.html
what she added from the bottle at 15:15?
I do not know much English
It is bleach
How trays per cow? And how many feeds per day?
We used 2 trays a day, one morning and one evening mixed with hay for our 9 cows.
How many dexter cows per day are you feeding with the 25Ibs of fodder? what else do you feed the cows?
This was done in the winter when they did not have access to any grazing. We were feeding 9 cows, but also feeding them hay. They still need hay for the roughage. This saved us around a bail a day.
@@TractorsandTireSwings you mean the smaII square bails not the big round bails, right?
I know that cows need more than fodder in their diet. I want to grow some cows and I want them on grass not grain. so I am trying to figure out what i need, feed wise.
@@thelordschurchfarmandranch6694 Yes, small bails. We have an old bailer that makes small bails.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thanks for the response. Are your Dexters on pasture or penned? Are they inside or out?
@@thelordschurchfarmandranch6694 When we were doing the fodder the cows were penned for the spring. They are outside, but have some covered areas in the pen, but no grass. We pen them up to let the grass grow in.
Oh, are you using well water or chlorinated water?
We are using well water. We do add bleach on the first day to reduce the mold issue.
Ma am pls be patient with me..one more doubt....How can we know that there is mould infestation on the 7th day crop....fodder.. ??
The fodder should smell sweet. If it smells sour it's going bad. If it starts to mold you should be able to see the mold if you look closely.
How much fodder per cow do you feed?
When we filmed this we had 11 head. We fed 25 lbs per day as a supplement to the hay. You should not feed straight fodder, since they need the roughage of hay for their digestion. So this just made up a portion of their diet and allowed us to stretch the hay we had a bit longer.
What seed/foder do you use?
I figured it ou
We use a barely seed we get at a local feed store.
If i wanted to sell barley fodder what is a good price
Question: as the grains sprout, doesn't the rinse water necessarily also contain a "soup" 9f flushed vitamins and nutrients? If so, why would you NOT feed the rinse water along with the solid product? If you recycle the rinse water, then could you not even spread the water in the pasture to add those nutrients to the soil? Or even add to a compost pile rather than just wasting the nutrients contained in the water?
It seems similar to preparing a pot of stew, which contains nutrients from the meat and all veggies and spices - and then pouring the broth down the drain and only eat the solid material.
Your thoughts? Has anybody compared the daily nutrient value 9f the liquid?
Thanks so much for your objective videos!
Susan
All good thoughts. We did have some bleach in the first phase, so we wouldn't want to feed that or use it to water. We would have to have a different system to use the water that way.
First of all Thank you for sharing , my family and I really appreciate. Can you tell us in weight how much grain you put in a trayand what is the size of the tray? would it work as good with corn?Thanks in advance for your reply , Kind Regards from Mauritius Terry
What do you do if you get fungus?
We only had mold once, but we just threw out that batch and started over.
Thank you for this VERY helpful video!!! I appreciate it so much!! I went ahead and ordered the covers and then the more expensive longer lasting trays. Do you leave the halters on the calves all the time? Just wondering. We're new to being cow owners.
You are welcome! We do leave the halters on the cows, it makes them easier to handle. We watch them closely to make sure we loosen them and don't let them get too tight as they grow. The other concern would be the halters getting caught on things. We have not had a problem with this.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thank you so much. Yes, I had heard not to leave them on because they can get caught on things. Do you happen to know of a good halter breaking video/training?
@@darlamakiyrwright4688 I have not watched a video or made a video on that, sorry. We put the halter on when they are young so that they get use to it. Then make it a habit to touch them. We don't practice leading with all of our cows, but the heifers and cows we milk we use the halter to guide their head, if that makes sense. Good luck!
I've been viewing many people growing fodder for a large array from which to model our own fodder system . . . You are doing a great job with your fodder, but I have to say, and please no offense intended, but respectfully, your system looks very labor intensive, as opposed to the numerous VLOGs on fodder I have viewed . That aside, I have no room for talk, for I have not as yet gotten started with our fodder system, so kudos on your fodder system, and VLOG, thank you for sharing
Thank you for your honest review. I hope you found some of the tips and information about the process helpful.
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Could they live on fodder without the extra hay/grass/alfalfa?
No, cattle need roughage for their digestion to work properly, so they need some dry hay with the fodder.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Would you say half fodder half roughage?
@@darlamakiyrwright4688 Yes, I think that would be adequate. They need the fiber that is in roughage for their digestion to work properly. In a typical grazing diet, cows get enough of a mix of young and old plants to provide adequate fiber. The exact amount of fiber needed really depends on the cow size and the quality of the hay, but 50 % should be fine.
Where did you get the seeds from
We get the barley in bulk from a local feed store.
I love how you use food growing methods that are usually the domain of VEGANS to use to grow food for food to eat! Too awesome
You are a sad person
Vegans don't eat grass :/
Vegans steal my food's food. How cruel
Hello, good morning. Thank you for the good training. Please, what are the nutrients needed for forage growth to be mixed with water? And what is the irrigation time? Explain to this email. Thank you
I'm trying this for my first time. I'm on my third day. I don't see any mold, but the smell is like the scent in vomit from someone with a stomach flu. We should be ready to go into the black trays tomorrow or the next day. Also, I'm trying to use oats, in addition to barley (different trays). I'm rinsing the seeds twice a day. Any suggestions?
I have never tried oats, so I am not sure on those. Did you use a little bit of bleach at the beginning? What is the temperature of the area where this is kept? If it is warmer the seeds will progress faster. I am not sure why it would smell like vomit. Sorry!
@@TractorsandTireSwings I did use the 1 tbsp of bleach. We live in tropical Hawaii.
The barley has just started sprouting, as different from the near-hair-thin, finer roots.
@@darlamakiyrwright4688 Our climate is very dry and the part of our home where this was done was fairly cool (60s). So the added moisture in the air could react differently. Maybe try moving it to the other trays a day earlier?
@@TractorsandTireSwings Okay, thank you for the suggestion.
sorry 2 be late < but i have a question...
So you can feed this stuff to every grass eating animal ? like chickens and goats and sheeps ?
yes. I have heard of a lot of people feeding it to chickens. I am sure you can feed it to goats and sheep. I don't have personal experience with it or know the amount they would eat.
@@TractorsandTireSwings thank you very much !!
Im gonna try it out and check if they like it or not ( i hope so )
@@korlimservices4180 Awesome, let me know how it goes!
@@TractorsandTireSwings will Do !!
it can be much easier for her if she put tubes and put trays in garage or barn and put a small water pump on timer which give water after 45 mints and they just need spay on top mot a lot of water this way water will be saved as well as work done you can also reuse water if u pump water and collect it in reservoir
Have you found any alternatives to bleach yet?
We have not tried anything else.
Ive heard hydrogen peroxide is an alternative
TheDinokiller25 Thanks for sharing
Great video, have you thought of pizza cutter to separate the fodder.
I had not thought of that. The fodder is pretty thick, it would take a pretty large cutter.
A sharp knife is great.
Do you ever feed this to your chickens? I've heard it's good for them too.
Chickens Iove fodder. It can be a complete feed for chickens
If the fodder grass is too tall it can get caught in their craw. We have fed them small amounts of this, but I usually sprout barley for them in a jar and feed it just as the green starts to appear. They LOVE it!
Nice lob! So where do you fix meals or is this a utility room> :)
Our home has a 2nd kitchen. So our food is prepared in our main kitchen. :-)
I'm confused so is this considered grass or grain?
It is grass. But, unlike grass hay, you cannot feed straight fodder. The cows still need roughage in order for their digestive system to work properly. So a mixture of fodder and hay is best.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Thanks for the info
What liquid u add
We rinse it with water. The first day we add liquid bleach to help reduce mold.
Wouldn't peroxide work better than bleach?
We never tried peroxide. So I am not sure.
You should get you a large cutting board and 2 hand pizza cutter like Casey’s or Pizza Hut has. That would speed up that knifework!
I had never thought of using a pizza cutter! What a great idea!
Great idea🖒 or a paper shear
i planted a barley seeds but after few days molds arises can you help me please, im afraid to put bleach on it because im using to boost my wife immune system. please hellp asap thanks
We have only done this for cows not for human consumption. Sorry. Try rinsing it more often. Maybe find a more natural bacteria killer.
Wheat grass red or white sprouts wayyyyyyy faster.....plain n simple they get more from doing this then jus5 throwing the grain out too them you can also try lentils they sprout in 1 day
Thanks for the info, we have never used those sprouts.
Excuse me
What that ?
Grain or rice ?
Barley is a grain.
Rice or what?
How many pounds per head?
2% of body weight of fodder and 1% of roughage is suggested.
Have you considered using apple cider vinegar instead of the bleach? Thank you for the awesome video!
I have not, but it would be worth checking into next time I grow fodder.
o cattle need extra nutritional content except grass or it is enough to feed them and
We feed them fodder and grass hay. They need the dry matter in hay, so you can't feed them only Fodder. In the summer, cows can eat only grass. We do have a salt like block as well for minerals that are missing from our area.
Sorry 1 c vinegar to 5 gal water
A lot of water spoiled. I guess the place is too small . Interesting though.
can't you recycle the water instead of wasting all thru the drain
You probably could. It would take a system of some sort to collect it and then re-purpose it. We did address the water issue in a previous comment by Wendy Brown if you are interested.
Ma'am How to compute the ratio of fodder a day per fattening cow or goat.from start to market..Thanks.
and nothing for the chickens, let them have a tray too :-)
Hired @1:30. 😉
Whoaaaaah, that system is wayyyyyy too labor intensive. I think it's time to sit and drawer up a new plan -- one in which you can get your plants properly watered without the heavy lifting, without wasting all of that water, and without sending seeds down your drain.
I am sorry you did not find it helpful. We learned a lot in the process and having the fodder really helped when we were low on hay. There are lots of different systems out there. This is just what worked for us.
Why do you cut it just give it to the animals and they will devour evrything
It actually makes it easier for them to eat it when we cute it. It also helps divide it between our animals so that they each get some of the fodder and some hay, which they need for roughage.
I do not know much English
pls save some water
See the note below, but this actually uses less water than growing hay,
Dear God that's you kitchen😲😲OCD😲
This is actually a 2nd kitchen in our house. Not the one we use everyday. That would be a little overwhelming to have fodder all over our kitchen!
where is all that water going? so much waste- could be a gray water catchment...
We have a well and septic system. So the water goes into the septic tank, then to a drain field, then percolates back into the earth and makes it way down to our well or the aquifer.
@@TractorsandTireSwings Country folks are all on "grey water" systems. Well, septic, percolate, well!!
@@vita2200 Not quite grey water, but yes it is reused.
this is a super confusing video, all over the place..
I am sorry that you did not find it helpful.
This is a bad system, to much of work.
Sorry that you did not find it helpful.
This stuff of hydroponic fodder production does not make any sense at all. You began with grain (high energy content), put it to germinate, a physiological process that requires energy (for the perpetration of a the plant). After spending a large portion of the energy of the seed germinating you will feed the hydroponic mass to the animals. You begin with high energy, loose energy and carbon to produce a large amount of fodder, but with almost 95% of water. This is simply an elegant and fashionable way to loose money, time and resources. I'm sorry we need to think and not just follow others' crazy ideas. you star with a grain (seed with high energy content) and end up with a roughage with around 95% of water and lower energy content. Energy was pended during the germination process. Human being likes crazy ideas. The craziest the the best.
Leovegildo Matos so what is your solution
the digestibility of the food goes way up once sprouted. The nutrition may go down, yes, but the nutrition that the animal takes in actually gets used instead of excreted. Plus its easier on the animals' digestive system.
Some cattle, such as Dexters are strictly grass fed cattle. They cannot digest grain. I love learning about this process! Very cool set up!
Ask a veterinarian why feeding fodder is better then feeding dry grain and he will tell you there is a lot more happening when the plant is green and growing it has hydration factors that you will never get with grain alone also you are adding to the amount of nutrients from the sprouting process but then you see this from your own perspective and see it as a waste of time and that ok too good day
The gains are in the digestability for the animals. Some nutrients/vitamins are also increased like Vit A.
Proof that some people should not teach, very unorganized
I am sorry that you did not find it helpful.
Ever seen a DIY cricket breeding farm? Didn't think so.
Well I learned a lot.... Organized or not... I get it!🙂 So what was missing?
The whole world of science is based on trial and error error error error error error and more trials before good solutions are found.
It is extremely rare for anyone to do anything perfect the first time out think back when you first tried to walk, or to talk, or to drive, or to be diplomatic.