people don't realize zellsis is some of the best when it comes to "flipping the switch" he knows when to be funny/troll and then switch to serious/mature when needed
it's one thing to moderate your own chat where you can ban and time out people, and it's something way different to try to moderate your chat on another streamers chat, you can't do shit about it if they go and act braindead on another peoples stream
@zeckex564 true, but in his case he has been nurturing that tendency to go act braindead on another people's stream. We often underestimate the subtle influence a figure like him has over their community.
What do you mean not his fault he screams I’m a bomber every five seconds and says everyone who’s 13 hop in my DMs. His chat is a reflection of the streamer. But sure not really his fault buddy 😂
his stream cultivates these types of behaviors and he has done absolutely nothing to stop them i understand the argument that an influencer cant control each and every one of their viewers, but at the same time, u reap what u sow its so easy to just not be weird, i dont get it with yall
mooda needs to understand that the pushback towards him is not because people are "soft" but its bc his community has mutated into this obnoxious mess that they become a nightmare to deal with
@@6ix1999 I genuinely hope for your own sake that you are not a grown ass adult acting like that over the internet, if you are rethink your life choices HARD.
@@ilzafadilatulhaq1780westjett used to be a valorant content creator like a year ago and now hes quit valorant due to how boring and shitty it got, now he just covers drama for fun and because it makes him money hes a chill guy none the less
he brought this into him, whether this persona of him being weird and cringe is actually real or not, it only attracted those twitch no-lifers into his stream, so everything he does, those viewers would do anything weird and cringe as well he should be better, to control those viewers, banning them and such, to discourage such behavior for those who will dare try again
The problem with taking everything in life as a joke is that whenever there’s pushback, the opposition is automatically “sensitive” just for taking something serious. It’s sad to live life that way.
Damnnnn that's the realest statement I guess Zaddy has ever given . People taking everything as a joke , being more casual , bombing jokes ...... damnn that's so mature of him .
Mooda's chat reminds me a lot of top streamers in general, and it all stems from the streamer themselves. The chat is almost always a direct reflection of the streamer, if they act like an absolute degenerate, so will the chat. If the streamer is a more aggressive personality, or a person who tends to take things too far, the chat will become just that. Using valorant as an example, Sam, Subroza, Shanks & Tarik don't ever have this issue. They could flood someones chat 100 times and it would always end up being funny & engaging for the streamer involved. But when you have an unregulated community that blindly follows the actions of their streamer, you get what happened here. People calling out Zellsis are hilarious, cause Zellsis does this shit for content just the same, but knows when to chill and knows where the limit is. Also has his chat moderated to act like human beings, not degenerates.
The soft vs insensitive debate is basically that softies are too soft to handle things they should be able to handle and insensitive people have no ability to respect other people's boundaries when it comes to jokes and all that stuff A good example being that a homosexual no matter how soft he is should be able to handle people joking about it around him as long as its not for the purpose of bullying him While insensitive people need to realize that you can't just be extremely offensive to people and call them soft for being offended because its not a joke if not everyone involved thinks its funny
Mooda blowing up just showed me what the majority of the valorant community resonates with and I understand why VC just ends up being silent or people being annoying as hell.
Mooda himself is very annoying but thats subjective to me. His chat on the other hand is just straight up A PROBLEM. Him getting banned is justified because he is the one that fostered that community. He could have easily been a responsible person and banned the people going too far but he never did and it resulted in this
Mooda's ego got boosted so hard after his viewer skyrocketed. When i first watched him, his viewers average around 300+. Back then he was still toxic, but pretty chill. Now he thinks he owns everything and people should bow down to him.
The guy had her stream (couple hundred viewers at most) open live on his stream (multiple thousand viewers avg.) and was openly shittalking her. Zellsis says it's "lowkey unfair" to expect a streamer to control his entire community, which is just straight up incorrect. Your community is what you make it, if you actually put the bare minimum effort into cultivating a healthy community (or at least one that isn't full of toxic, apathetic teenagers and twenty somethings) they would not act the way that his did. But they act like that and do those things because he is the kind of person to do so as well. The chat reflects the streamer, that will almost always hold true especially if you consider the broader behaviour of said chat.
I think Zellsis might be saying having thousands of people, you can't control them all which is true. Tenz's chat is known for being civil and "soft", but due to just the sheer size of his fanbase, there will be people from his fans who send death threats etc to people talking bad, that just can't be controlled.
the "openly shittalking her" was just him saying "fuck her" because she didn't know who he was as a pure joke, he very clearly wasn't being serious. albeit, he should know that his viewers are cringe degenerate teenagers and he should expect that they'd be toxic to her, but saying he was "openly shittalking her" is dishonest
Even if he's "just joking", the other party is not obliged to take it. If it's making the other party uncomfortable they are all in their own rights to stand up to it.
What do you expect? Most of these chronically online kids don't have friends IRL, so they spend their life making these parasocial relationships and thinking everything can be hid with "its just a joke" or "nah you just soft"
@@_tmr_167 People like his chat are probably people who say they like dark humor but are actually very racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, transphobic, etc. lol.
Mooda'a the kind of guy who wouldn't talk shit in front of anybody cuz he'd get his ass wooped in no time. It's sooo easy to be an obnoxious POS over the internet and when a streamer act like this he just nurture a community that will be as obnoxious.
I feel like if there is a big pushback towards Mooda he could take it as a growth point and be try to make that growth point his character instead of this degen shit that has everyone complaining. I believe he's smart enough to know the character he's playing and where the line is to not cross it (most of the time), so he could just try and make his reformation part of his character and bring his community with him. Play it up in a hype way, telling himself he has to do better and they as a community have to be better. Apologizing immediately after making jokes that cross the line, and not immediately continuing that joke trail afterward to show he means it. He's big enough that he wouldn't lose all of his following for doing so even if he takes a short term hit, but the genuine good will that he would receive from the rest of the community should be enough to keep him around.
honestly i blame riot because they're trying to suppress everyone and everything and the community either super edgy cringe or soy soft poggers uwu. they should've balanced it so normal people exist so they keep everyone accountable
and why would he? He's a Masters winner, under inarguably the best (in terms of the players' wellbeing) and most clouted org in the scene. Mooda's just an unhinged tarik wannabe who happened to cater the no-lifers/12 yr old incels of val twitch lol
@@areydyi Zellsis may have had his time with Sentinels, but let’s be real, his Twitch numbers don’t even come close to Mooda’s. While Zellsis has the org backing, Mooda built his fanbase organically, peaking at 11k viewers without going pro or being tied to a top-tier org. The fact that someone can rise that high on pure personality and controversy speaks volumes about his impact. Zellsis may have clout now, but when the dust settles, let’s see who’s still making waves in the scene. Mooda’s the one who will be remembered for shaking things up, while Zellsis will probably be forgotten with his max 800 viewers.
Lowk tho… that’s not his job to moderate his chat in other peoples areas. As long as he’s not hinting at doing anything negative in nature, responsibility doesn’t fall onto him. Doesn’t matter what he cultivates, he’s not responsible for someone else’s child. That’s just not his job to worry about. It’s the same idea that you guys wouldn’t go out of your way to parent someone’s child
@@cxo9378 Making it your profile pictures makes you hard not soft. Non-anime watchers are the insecure ones trying to act cool for not watching it. I'm still soft because I can't use anime pfp but I watch anime. Nothing can stop them. Anime pfp peeps can play hntai games while Online in steam.
Bro your argument makes 0 sense.. You are justifying something wrong by saying there is even worse shit happening. Extrapolating your logic, robbing people is fine cuz there are others who simply shoot school kids . Got it?
Whether you like it or not. People love to watch livestream. People will rather watch World Cup livestream than prerecorded. I only use twitch for esports or drops. but watching "just chatting" is waste of time for me.
Zellsis has point did you watch his stream where he dono some small streamers and the chat is going wild sending dick emotes? That is just straight up toxic, mooda needs to do something to his community because it is not healthy for him and his community.
yeah twerking and showing your ass in many clips is okay but pretending to have sex with the chair is cringe for me everything is cringe but if you gonna cringe just don't gay it up and u all good to go mooda love it or hate is a funny guy he brought new stuff to the community that no one dared to bring
By saying "SHE/HER," Zellsis is referring to this post: x.com/its_melmie/status/1870189573793300568
ur a real one
@mh-uw2nv Thanks 🫶🏻
Straight up that is the most level headed mature take on this situation i've heard props to Zellsis
people don't realize zellsis is some of the best when it comes to "flipping the switch" he knows when to be funny/troll and then switch to serious/mature when needed
Yeah people calling out zellsis doing the same stuff forgot at least he does for entertainment not being ass like mooda
Mooda's chat is absolutely cancer. Not really his fault entirely but he should at least try to moderate them
it's one thing to moderate your own chat where you can ban and time out people, and it's something way different to try to moderate your chat on another streamers chat, you can't do shit about it if they go and act braindead on another peoples stream
@zeckex564 true, but in his case he has been nurturing that tendency to go act braindead on another people's stream. We often underestimate the subtle influence a figure like him has over their community.
What do you mean not his fault he screams I’m a bomber every five seconds and says everyone who’s 13 hop in my DMs. His chat is a reflection of the streamer. But sure not really his fault buddy 😂
his stream cultivates these types of behaviors and he has done absolutely nothing to stop them
i understand the argument that an influencer cant control each and every one of their viewers, but at the same time, u reap what u sow
its so easy to just not be weird, i dont get it with yall
tenz was right.
mooda needs to understand that the pushback towards him is not because people are "soft" but its bc his community has mutated into this obnoxious mess that they become a nightmare to deal with
you don’t have to deal with anything 😂 stop being soft or just don’t be in his chat
@@6ix1999 Found mooda's tier 3 weirdo
@@6ix1999 yeah sure say that to melmie
yall r weird
@@6ix1999 you got it bro, what ever
@@6ix1999 I genuinely hope for your own sake that you are not a grown ass adult acting like that over the internet, if you are rethink your life choices HARD.
I can already feel the westjett video coming
who?
@@ilzafadilatulhaq1780westjett used to be a valorant content creator like a year ago and now hes quit valorant due to how boring and shitty it got, now he just covers drama for fun and because it makes him money
hes a chill guy none the less
he brought this into him, whether this persona of him being weird and cringe is actually real or not, it only attracted those twitch no-lifers into his stream, so everything he does, those viewers would do anything weird and cringe as well
he should be better, to control those viewers, banning them and such, to discourage such behavior for those who will dare try again
Coming from Zellsis is a bit rich, his chat was insanely cringe and bordered mooda’s chat on how crazy it could get
The problem with taking everything in life as a joke is that whenever there’s pushback, the opposition is automatically “sensitive” just for taking something serious. It’s sad to live life that way.
Damnnnn that's the realest statement I guess Zaddy has ever given . People taking everything as a joke , being more casual , bombing jokes ...... damnn that's so mature of him .
this cannot the same zellsis i know from 2021 !
hess sooo fucking mature bro
common Zellsis W
Mooda's chat reminds me a lot of top streamers in general, and it all stems from the streamer themselves. The chat is almost always a direct reflection of the streamer, if they act like an absolute degenerate, so will the chat. If the streamer is a more aggressive personality, or a person who tends to take things too far, the chat will become just that.
Using valorant as an example, Sam, Subroza, Shanks & Tarik don't ever have this issue. They could flood someones chat 100 times and it would always end up being funny & engaging for the streamer involved. But when you have an unregulated community that blindly follows the actions of their streamer, you get what happened here. People calling out Zellsis are hilarious, cause Zellsis does this shit for content just the same, but knows when to chill and knows where the limit is. Also has his chat moderated to act like human beings, not degenerates.
W take, Mooda and his chat needs to do better
The soft vs insensitive debate is basically that softies are too soft to handle things they should be able to handle and insensitive people have no ability to respect other people's boundaries when it comes to jokes and all that stuff
A good example being that a homosexual no matter how soft he is should be able to handle people joking about it around him as long as its not for the purpose of bullying him
While insensitive people need to realize that you can't just be extremely offensive to people and call them soft for being offended because its not a joke if not everyone involved thinks its funny
Mooda blowing up just showed me what the majority of the valorant community resonates with and I understand why VC just ends up being silent or people being annoying as hell.
Mooda himself is very annoying but thats subjective to me. His chat on the other hand is just straight up A PROBLEM.
Him getting banned is justified because he is the one that fostered that community. He could have easily been a responsible person and banned the people going too far but he never did and it resulted in this
A man should grown this mature, just chill out
Mooda's ego got boosted so hard after his viewer skyrocketed. When i first watched him, his viewers average around 300+. Back then he was still toxic, but pretty chill. Now he thinks he owns everything and people should bow down to him.
Speech is free. But it has consequences. Mooda knows what he’s doing.
The guy had her stream (couple hundred viewers at most) open live on his stream (multiple thousand viewers avg.) and was openly shittalking her. Zellsis says it's "lowkey unfair" to expect a streamer to control his entire community, which is just straight up incorrect. Your community is what you make it, if you actually put the bare minimum effort into cultivating a healthy community (or at least one that isn't full of toxic, apathetic teenagers and twenty somethings) they would not act the way that his did. But they act like that and do those things because he is the kind of person to do so as well.
The chat reflects the streamer, that will almost always hold true especially if you consider the broader behaviour of said chat.
I think Zellsis might be saying having thousands of people, you can't control them all which is true. Tenz's chat is known for being civil and "soft", but due to just the sheer size of his fanbase, there will be people from his fans who send death threats etc to people talking bad, that just can't be controlled.
the "openly shittalking her" was just him saying "fuck her" because she didn't know who he was as a pure joke, he very clearly wasn't being serious. albeit, he should know that his viewers are cringe degenerate teenagers and he should expect that they'd be toxic to her, but saying he was "openly shittalking her" is dishonest
just exudes maturity
"He's just joking bro" is the lamest excuse for cringe behaviour, it's literally the new "it's just a prank bro"
What did he do?
Even if he's "just joking", the other party is not obliged to take it. If it's making the other party uncomfortable they are all in their own rights to stand up to it.
@@mutandaeffiong2685 Who mooda or Zellsis? Zell I don't know anything about, this vid got recommended to me, Mooda and his community is absolute ass
What do you expect? Most of these chronically online kids don't have friends IRL, so they spend their life making these parasocial relationships and thinking everything can be hid with "its just a joke" or "nah you just soft"
mooda needed a wake up call and this was it.
i cant focus with the recon phantom in the background
He definitely attracted the worst kind of audience. As a woman, it hurts to see his chat
It's really horrible and uncomfortable :/
@ bunch of incels. It’s a little funny to see ngl
As a guy his chat is unbearable and I would say that I have a pretty dark sense of humour but his chat brings is to a whole new and more annoying lvl
Thats twitch chat in general tbh. You only have a handful of decent ones out there
@@_tmr_167 People like his chat are probably people who say they like dark humor but are actually very racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, transphobic, etc. lol.
I do think mooda is a weirdo but it is sad to see something someone worked so hard for get taken away. Let it be a lesson
he only banned for a week
@@reze- ehh i mean it still completely ruined his rank 1 grind and his "moodathon" but still pretty deserved. He had it coming
Ahh then it's kk I guess I thought he was permanently banned @@reze-
@@Zzzz-jh5zkhe was banned because he clicked on a video of someone beating his meat
@@reze- do u have the clip when he got banned?
Mooda'a the kind of guy who wouldn't talk shit in front of anybody cuz he'd get his ass wooped in no time. It's sooo easy to be an obnoxious POS over the internet and when a streamer act like this he just nurture a community that will be as obnoxious.
As a big fan of mooda, he should’ve apologized to the poor girl. She didnt take it as a joke. She got her feeling hurt
tenz was Right?
I feel like if there is a big pushback towards Mooda he could take it as a growth point and be try to make that growth point his character instead of this degen shit that has everyone complaining. I believe he's smart enough to know the character he's playing and where the line is to not cross it (most of the time), so he could just try and make his reformation part of his character and bring his community with him. Play it up in a hype way, telling himself he has to do better and they as a community have to be better. Apologizing immediately after making jokes that cross the line, and not immediately continuing that joke trail afterward to show he means it. He's big enough that he wouldn't lose all of his following for doing so even if he takes a short term hit, but the genuine good will that he would receive from the rest of the community should be enough to keep him around.
Mooda's lowkey carrying valorant rn
Mooda deserves it. The guy is actually unbelievably cringe and somehow some kids with no life likes him.
bro i dont know this guy.
Why did he get banned tho??
honestly i blame riot because they're trying to suppress everyone and everything and the community either super edgy cringe or soy soft poggers uwu. they should've balanced it so normal people exist so they keep everyone accountable
all this explanation and that is not at all the reason why he got banned ...
so happy a toxic person got banned
based jordan
Why is everyone so soft these days
Everyone in america you mean
F Mooda n his chat.. L community
this guy is absolutely envy mooda.
and why would he? He's a Masters winner, under inarguably the best (in terms of the players' wellbeing) and most clouted org in the scene. Mooda's just an unhinged tarik wannabe who happened to cater the no-lifers/12 yr old incels of val twitch lol
@@areydyi Zellsis may have had his time with Sentinels, but let’s be real, his Twitch numbers don’t even come close to Mooda’s. While Zellsis has the org backing, Mooda built his fanbase organically, peaking at 11k viewers without going pro or being tied to a top-tier org. The fact that someone can rise that high on pure personality and controversy speaks volumes about his impact. Zellsis may have clout now, but when the dust settles, let’s see who’s still making waves in the scene. Mooda’s the one who will be remembered for shaking things up, while Zellsis will probably be forgotten with his max 800 viewers.
Lowk tho… that’s not his job to moderate his chat in other peoples areas. As long as he’s not hinting at doing anything negative in nature, responsibility doesn’t fall onto him. Doesn’t matter what he cultivates, he’s not responsible for someone else’s child. That’s just not his job to worry about. It’s the same idea that you guys wouldn’t go out of your way to parent someone’s child
Shoutout to @moodafps
Fk all the haters and y'all gotta stop yelling and yapping everyone wants content and just talks abut him 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏻♂️
Like like like like like like like my brain is turning to mush HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GONNA SAY LIKE
bro relax
Weird
why is everyone so jealous holy wow
Found moodas community.
jealous of who exactly?? Mooda?? LAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i dont think zellsis is jealous of a guy who jokes on stream about having s3x with 13 yr olds lol
a week ago , he said he made mooda and the rage persona , now he's just being a sheep and sayin it's cringe now , funny
mooda is a whole ahh clown, glad he got banned.
L take
This has to be the softest community in gaming history
If being "hard" is being directly racist, making rape jokes and hating on queer people, then how is being "soft" a bad thing?
Says the dude with an anime pfp 😂😂😂 soft ahh
@@cxo9378soft lil bitch boy get his feelings hurt? 😂😂😂
@@cxo9378
Making it your profile pictures makes you hard not soft.
Non-anime watchers are the insecure ones trying to act cool for not watching it.
I'm still soft because I can't use anime pfp but I watch anime.
Nothing can stop them. Anime pfp peeps can play hntai games while Online in steam.
It’s literally against Twitch TOS
Hmm. Ive seen worst on twitch but they didnt ban em. I think the valp community is so soft with all due respect.
L take just another brain dead edgy chatter
Bro your argument makes 0 sense.. You are justifying something wrong by saying there is even worse shit happening. Extrapolating your logic, robbing people is fine cuz there are others who simply shoot school kids . Got it?
you can't have worst stuff be the standard, let it be a lesson. any type of harassment towards a stranger is not okay
thats not what he got banned for LOL
the val community is THE worst. Always drama and crying about everything.
Bro you’re playing and streaming valorant it’s not serious at all bro is just joking it ain’t that deep
People actually watch twitch? it's just so boring...
world is so big and filled with so many no lifers
I would consider myself as a no lifer, but man watching twitch streams felt like a chore@@manfromthefuture4436
Whether you like it or not. People love to watch livestream.
People will rather watch World Cup livestream than prerecorded.
I only use twitch for esports or drops. but watching "just chatting" is waste of time for me.
@@Katniss0000 agreed, anything that has some sort of tournament is better enjoyed live. Live vlogging seems meh
Why Zellsis talking like he ain't one of them doing cringe shit for reactions. L Zellsis, shouldnt be talking.
what did zellsis do thats as bad as Mooda indirectly sending his cancerous chat to smaller streamers?
Zellsis has point did you watch his stream where he dono some small streamers and the chat is going wild sending dick emotes? That is just straight up toxic, mooda needs to do something to his community because it is not healthy for him and his community.
I mean you can't even compare the two.... One jokes about sleeping with teens and Bombing people the other just trolls with actual jokes.
ongg this vibe merchant acts the same
dickriding is insane
yeah twerking and showing your ass in many clips is okay but pretending to have sex with the chair is cringe for me everything is cringe but if you gonna cringe just don't gay it up and u all good to go mooda love it or hate is a funny guy he brought new stuff to the community that no one dared to bring
You have zero comprehension of the situation and it shows
holy soft
nah you’re just probably butt hurt because you’re one of them kids in mooda’s chat
you know you've done wrong when the man that makes all the jokes says you need to chill on the jokes respect zellsis 🫡