Very good job presenting the new 1300 gs. I,too , will keep my1250. Apart from the massive financial investment getting a 1300 with all the extras , I , like most GS owners, have optimised my Triple Black to my needs. It has more power and torque that I could possibly use. With the new gs being slim and lighter ,I kind of like the brutish look of the 1250 even more. The 1300 is the bike that critics have demanded; lighter faster, more technology; however, that doesn’t make the 1250 any less of a great bike. Greetings, Jim
Mate I was so looking forward to the 1300. I'm a 1250 triple black 2021. After the test ride I bought a 2023 GSA trophy. Didn't buy the bike to be stiffer or more horse power. I bought it to munch miles in comfort.
Thanks again for another great video. I have the 1250 and to be honest, I find the handling is the best I've ever had on a large bike. I've never found myself wishing I had more power or/and torque. I'm 6'2" so the frame is idea for me. Sure, the 1300 design is new to us, I personally don't like it but like anything new, it usually grows on you and of course, its a matter of personal taste. I like the electronic main stand assist (probably not the correct nomenclature). I love technological aids but there's a limit for me as I prefer to retain my rider awareness and not rely too much on them. I'm sure it's going to be of interest to people who didn't buy the 1250 due to it's weight and physical size.
I have a 12 month old 1250GS TE with a few extras, after riding the 1300 and liking it but not being blown-away by it, the nail in the coffin of a possible "upgrade" was that it would have been my bike plus £8.5k. On the ride home I really appreciated just how good the 1250 is and contemplated my chances of hiding £8.5k of 2nd bike from my wife 🙂 Overall my impression of the 1300 is that it's a great bike especially for more sporty riding, if the still flawed shifter/blipper and the "no initial bite" brakes prove to bed in over time then I might re-visit the idea in a year or 2, I could live with the transmission whine that sounds a bit like a rally car. Great review, thanks for helping me save £8.5k.
I think 1300 are 2 different bikes now the 1250 gs is a tourer and very good in the bends the new 1300 as was mentioned a bit more sportier! Then buy a sports bike 🤦♂️
I think you formed the same opinion as me . A bike that will divide opinion amongst GS owners. Interesting to see what the GSA will look like with 1400cc? The Trophy does look fab . I did like the way it handled , that screen was brilliant as was the radar stuff. I would certainly be inclined to do a bit more “off road”(ie gravel roads) with the new smaller one . Like you I have saved some cash . For the time being !! 😂
I’m after a GSA and have been looking at a 1250 with an eye on the 1300 and waiting until next year to see what the bigger bike was like. Your review seems to enforce my thoughts that although nice that the new bike is - to me it doesn’t warrant spending twice the amount from a 3YO with service history.
The new GS is lighter and stiffer without question. But I wonder how much of the seat of the pants flickability and handling difference can be attributed to the cast wheels (much lighter) v the cross spokes on your GS.
Ok, from what I can tell….first bike perspective, I think I would go with the 1250 GSA as it has a proven history vs new from ground up but with seemingly relative minor differences / improvement between old vs new.
That was a good riding presentation with all the key comments being exactly in line with my way of thinking. I had a 2014 R1200GSA TE for 9 years (and it never let me down once!) and last month I traded her in for a brand new R1250GSA TE. My decision to avoid the 1300 was based on the expectation that there would be initial production line issues with build and not forgetting a new suite of luggage would be required. A few 1300 issues are listed already on TH-cam but I expect the Germans to quickly sort. I am extremely delighted with the R1250 GSA TE as it is clearly much better than the 1200 wrt a very smooth and torquey engine, plus old farts like me can read the dash info. with ease. As has happened in the past with me I was never bold over with new GS models coming out, but leave me for a year or two and I get used to the idea that the time has come to change. Cheers, Wm. 👍
This new kid, is a progression of, the outgoing model. It has to be better, weather it suits current GS riders, is another story. I will be sticking with my triple black 2023, as I love it. When the times right(3 year). I’ll go for the new one. 👍🏻
I've been looking for a 1250 to buy but I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger because if I'm honest with myself I really want a 1300. The 12 kg weight savings, the cleaner look, the stiffer frame, more torque at lower rpm, these are all significant improvements IMO. I still like the 1250 a lot, but I like the 1300 even more. Now I just have to decide if it's worth the additional cost.
12kg is hardly a decider it’s half a tank of fuel. The 1300 has more tech rides a bit stiffer not as smooth and has more power . Sounds like a gs and goes like a gs. The money saving 1250/1300 new will not be massive prob a few grand
12kg weight reduction is a big deal to me. It's also a big deal to a lot of people which is why BMW went through the effort to make the bike lighter. I guarantee if BMW had continued the trend of making the new model heavier than the old one, the majority of people would have been very disappointed. BMW should get credit where credit is due. Also, 12 kg is over 4 gallons, which is close to a full tank.
It’s a tuff one . I would say try and ride them back to back at a friendly dealership . The new one certainly handles better and is less of a beast to haul about and I would be quicker on it .Trouble is my 1250 is just so good that I came away a little bit disappointed .I really wanted to be totally blown away if I am being honest and I wasn’t . Maybe I’ve just got too attached to my old girl , or possibly the new one is for the younger folk 😂
Great review. FYI, the USB receptacle can twist to make it easier to plug in. The 719 mirrors look great on your bike. It's too bad not available on the 1300 with the blind spot indicators.
Nice review and comparison! I’m interested in the adaptive ride height, but as a short arse (28” inseam), I’m concerned about the lack of a low suspension option. My current 1250 GS is low suspension with a low seat, and with that I can get the balls of my feet down. I’m not done with my 1250 yet, gonna ride it for a couple more years, but the 1300 has my interest for sure.
@@RetroBiker I’m not tall either and on my standard suspension 1250 I allways stand on one feet only. On a 1300 with auto lowering I can get both feet comfortably down. Low suspension 1250 seat height is 800 mm, 1300 in lowest setting is 800mm. if anything people will be more comfortable on a 1300 because the seat has slimmer contours.
I have to agree with you. I have a 1250 GSA which is the same as yours for colour and wheels. Looking at the 2 bikes together, in my opinion, the 1250 looks better, the 1300 has a Japanese look to it! I totally understand the change in direction by BMW though. They need to move forward to keep up with the competition ultimately. Lets see what the replacement GSA looks like, apparently due for launch in September 2024, that might change my mind, however, I won’t be rushing out to change mine yet!
Since my GS is a very similar age to yours, I don't see myself changing. The nightmare of new luggage, etc would put me off to start with. I couldn't justify the new cost. It does seem nice, but I couldn't justify a change.
You’ve done a great review here but it sounded a little from the start that you were looking for negatives, almost trying to justify keeping your 1250 which is a brilliant bike. The mention of old farts 😂 I’m 62 and am fortunate to have a GSA ( 30k in 2 years on it ) and an S1000XR in the garage. It took me about 3 weeks to bed into the XR, but I still love the thrill of sharp handling and acceleration and this new 1300 seems to fall between a GS and an XR in performance and handling. My mate of the same age had a GS1250 and now has the GS1300 triple black and he can really handle a bike. He says it’s completely different in every way and much better to ride. So it’s a bit like when the 1250 was introduced people said there’s not much difference to the 1200 in performance …. But there was. This bike is another step forward. Once you see it with all the Touratech boxes and engine guards on it looking like a proper adv bike, minds might start to change. I’m 6’3 and am waiting to see the new GSA and if I don’t like it I’ll change to a V4 rally.
Hi appreciate comments . I did want to be blown away but wasn’t . Don’t get me wrong , without a doubt it handles better than my 1250 and is noticeably smaller when sat on and not in it and it won’t tie itself in knots when gunning it through the twisty bits like mine . But, my 1250 has been hilltopped (yes I know all the negative publicity) and the engine / throttle response felt better . I would like to see the triple black with gold wheels as I hate the solid ones . The GS Trophy looks the dogs bits though . I look forward to the launch of the GSA with a bigger engine . Either way the new GS will sell by the bucket load 👍
You are the first reviewer I've encountered who referred to the new quick shifter as a "bit clunky" and "not a huge improvement". Most of the other reviewers point it out as a major leap in comparison to the 1250. I am assuming everyone else tested very low milage one as well. I guess I won't know until I test one out myself. Currently own '23 1250 just like yours color combo and can't get enough of it. Good review. Thanks!
Great review and gorgeous scenery ✌🏻 I’ve tried it a couple of weeks ago and coming from a 2018 fully optioned 1200GS rallye, I have to admit that the upgrade is huge : Torque, stiffness, handling, gearbox, wind protection and acceleration are on a whole new level. So I don’t understand why GS riders have that much difficulty in accepting change. I could have had the same impressions of “yeah it’s a bit better overall but not different enough to spend my money”. In the end even if you come from a 1250, you’re still going to want to be riding a GS - in essence - and that’s what we want, no? I would’ve been more of a shocker if the ride had been totally rearranged. Anyway, I ordered mine today, and I don’t really care if it’s a first edition, because as said, the Germans will sort wobbly things out very quickly (if need so, because the build quality is there) no doubt about that. Ride safe !
I have a 1250 which is due for replacement next year. Right now I'd most likely go for a 1250GSA as the 1300.... well just looks awful 😞 I'm pretty gutted to be honest. I was hoping for CarPlay as the BMW Connected app isn't great. I'm interested to see how things pan out over the next year.
Awesome video! I do like this bike and I look forward to seeing one in the flesh. I have a '22 GS and absolutely love it. The best bike I have ever owned . Best!
I'm swapping. I've got a 2021 GSA TE and an R nineT and im throwing both in to move to R1300 triple black. The R nine T is soooo pretty but its just not quite comfy or sporty enough and the GSA is just that slight touch too cumbersome. probably the R1250GS would have suited me better than the GSA but now that the new one is out and its gone a bit more sporty and a bit more techy and especially new gear box and QS - I'm in. I also think it looks amazing, very futuristic. the 1250 styling was great but now the new one is out its dating fast. Also on the review - hardly surprising an owner of a 1 year old bike with £1000s of extras doesnt want to swap....
Enjoyed your piece on the 1300, you mentioned the 'howl' form the front end which is something that drives me nuts on the 1250. Does the infill panel you fitted cancel it out? Plus does the blade type screen you have on your 1250 reduce buffeting?
Thanks, the infill panel doesn't reduce it. The blade screen is the BMW Rallye screen and you get buffet but it's clean if that makes sense, more for look than anything to be honest. Apparently even above 130mph its fine😂
what a cracking review, super informative and very close to my thoughts after the test drive. I test drove the 1300 last week and initially my thoughts were get me back on the 1250, however after getting onto the twisty bits my mind was changed and I fell in love with it, I didn't notice any issues with the quick shifter on the bike I tested, the things that stood out the most for me were it felt a lot lighter, handling was superb and it was very quick, fell in love and ordered one this week after a lot of deliberation, my thinking is if they sell ,the price of the 1250 2019 plate I'm on at the min will be in tatters. Kind Regards, J
Well done - a decent and fair review - I've ridden both old and new GS's and I agree - its not worth changing at the moment .....but lets see what the GSA is like next year.
The R1250 GS(A) gearbox has helical cut gears which tend to be quieter than the straight cut gears on the R1300GS. That’s probably what you’re hearing.
yes I thought so. appreciably smaller than mine, handles really well, but simply can’t justify the upgrade……at the moment . I have no doubt it will sell by the bucket load , I have just got to get use to that youthful look 👀 of the new kid on the block 😂
Good review. You mentioned the market focus of the new 1300. Seems a bit strange if they are focussing on the 30's & early 40's, most of them just don't have the money, especially now with higher interest rates for the foreseeable future &, with bikes like this being a true luxury, I'm left wondering what BMW were thinking. I'm about to buy a BMW Adventure & at the moment, I much prefer the 1250. I think it looks better & I much prefer the 30Lt tank for my purposes. I'm 55 & been waiting a long while to buy me a BMW. I prefer the quiet exhaust, the comfy seat, the staid temperament , the torque when i need it & the reliability that I require. I'm not really after a hugely powerful fun machine at my age. Been there, done that. Been riding motor bikes since I was 7 years of age. Had a shit tin of bikes that I've had to work on, fix up, balance carbies, chains & sprockets & on & on. Now I just want a comfy bike that works, does what I NEED IT TO DO, doesn't need constant attention & I'm don't piss the neighbours off every morning.
I did want to be blown away, but wasn’t .The new one definitely handles better and is noticeably smaller, but just lacked something…character ? Who knows.Mine has had an ecu remap here in the uk and the throttle , I found, is much better than the demo bike I rode. I am hoping to ride the owner of the dealerships 1300 Trophy, if he’ll let me now that I wasn’t blown away by the demo bike, as he has had an ecu flash on his new Trophy, just like he and I have had on our 1250’s. I did quite like the frying pan finish of the new one, looks very hard wearing. Bottom line is that with outstanding finance on mine, although not huge, the price to change simply isn’t worth it for the benefits. I am hoping that the GSA will blow me away next year……🤞
Great review. Many thanks for doing it. Although the new 1300 is growing in me, I don’t think that the improvements on the new bike would tempt me from my current 2022 GSA, based on your review 🥴. Plus I don’t think Nippy Normans will have a large offering of bits to bolt on yet.
Just a quick one is the servicing schedule the same as the out going model was wondering if bmw have up it like most other manufacturers manufacturers 🤔
Nice review thank you. Also good to see Jersey and the hotel I’ve stayed in many times. As a tall guy with long legs, I am worried about the smaller look of the new GS. I’ve got dodgy knees and having an as open knee angle as possible is vital for me. My 2023 GS has a higher seat and lower pegs and it’s only just comfortable for my knees. Did you notice how your legs felt? Was it more or less cramped than your GS? Cheers. Chris
Hi Chris . New bike very comfy and I was on it for a couple of hours . Loads of seat height bar height and peg height options from BMW . I’m sure your dealer will assist you in removing the necessary cash from your wallet 😂
You can adjust many things in the menus . Road mode was not as soft as mine ….. I think 🙈but I didn’t think anything negative as the ride was very good 👍
Thanks for the video. I understood that you can adjust individual seat heights but it's not the same as the 1250. You can raise or lower a section within the seat. 😃👍
A GS is like owning a Land Rover series 2/3 or Defender. No two are the same as over the years you add stuff and modify them for what you want and need. If you bought a new one, you'd have to start all over again.
Certainly for me the cost to change from my low milage factory lowered 2020 1250GS TE Exclusive would be rather salty but I guess many will have theirs on a PCP so they will only be interested in how much one is a month.
Yes I think you are right with that...looks wise, I am hoping it will really grow on me, I think you could really throw this around and have a lot of fun on it ,as it is noticeably smaller than my GS. BUT not going to upgrade, YET....but no doubt I will at some point. Trouble is I feel at one with my GS(don't throw up 😂) and emotionally attached to it!
@@gsd32iI've always had the feeling the GS is watching my back with all the riding aids it's got and seems to deal with whatever road conditions get thrown at it with ease. I've ordered a 1250RS instead this time round just for a change (as the 1250 I have now is my 3rd GS) and as I don't tour two up anymore and the RS is thousands cheaper it sort of makes sense if there's ever such a thing when choosing a bike. Just wish BMW would pull their finger out with my order.
@@gsd32i moved from the mountains in CO to the boring flat, straight roads of FL. Traded the 1250GS for a 1250R. Now I’m moving back to CO. It’s GS time again. 🤘
Does it feel less 'roomy' than the 1250? I'm all about comfort at my age. Having said that, I am a totally road focused rider. The 1300 does look more like an RS than a GS.
Thanks this was well presented and covered all I wanted to know. I currently own a 1250gs and it is my first BMW. I think that if I was looking for a new BMW then the new 1300gs would be a no brainer. There's just not enough in it to trade up. If you want to ride more aggressively get an xr also the electronic wizardry is getting a bit excessive for my taste. BMW have definitely put out another winner .
Great review.... very informative... I do like the look of it.... Will it be any good for 2 up touring is the question. If I was single it might work. For solo riding love my r nine t. Or my R100 40 years old. For touring I have a 1150 GS with no tech and tbh I love it.
It’s definitely smaller and handles really well . No doubt the looks will grow on me , but I think it’s lost some of its , ruggedness . Can’t wait to see someone do a head to head with 1250 and 1300 👍
I have the r1250gs adv and find the tubular frame great for fixing Insta360 stick mounts and other accessories Also its a man size bike which I like.The new one looks cramped for a 6ft plus person. Out of interest can the 1300 seat be tilted up at the front and lower at the back which is how I like it so I don`t feel I am falling into the tank and this takes some weight off my wrists. It should have had 160plus hp backlit switchgear,bigger tank and no frying pan finish to temp me. I won`t be buying one !
I believe the seat is fixed . Bike does ride very well and is smaller too. My Gs has had the hilltop Ecu map and when I jumped back onto mine I found my engine to be better response wise . I would have liked another 1 litre more not less . No doubt I will get one in a few years though 🙈 . Will try to ride the owner of the dealerships new Trophy with sports suspension which you can see in the video to the right in the showroom . That looks stunning .
I waited for your review ,that said it seemed all the things you just said so last week a deposit changed Hands and mine (Triple Black) should be with me in Andalusia at Christmas , I still have the 1200 GS and the 1250, so QED the 1300 GS must be for me Ha Ha , I have a Pikes Peak since earlier this year its amazing BUT its not a GS a differant animal . good review as always mike
Having owned three GSs which were all great apart from the height and bulk of the GSA, much preferred the lower and lighter standard TE. Moved over to Ducati Multi V2S which I prefer and looking at an upgrade to the V4S. I do like the look of the new one, I’d have a Triple Black with the gold wheels. Test ride next time but I wish they did it in red😉
@@gsd32i Yes, a shaft is a lot cleaner but adds weight and saps power, not an issue for me, modern chains are so much better than they used to be. I think part of the issue with the BMW gearbox was the shaft, seems to have been improved by relocating the gearbox.
Nice review I’ve not see it in the flesh yet I’m sure it’s a great bike but then I own several models and have ridden the GS for more than ten years now. It’s the price now as I don’t need an upgrade but like you looked at the configurer and comes out near £22k but that’s without luggage so more like £23500.
I simply love my trusty 1250 and couldn’t think of getting rid of her for a younger slimmer model , which would cost me more money . Downfall of many a man ! 😂
I think it’s bad timing a little bit for bmw and the gs not so much surplus cash about at the moment … the 1250 I think is more suited to its audience … nice review also THANKS for mentioning that horrendous roar which when I tuned into my one it really detracted from the ride , I’ll not be testing one
I can tell you the difference between the 1250 and 1300 is night and day you can ride the 1300 like a sports bike if you want the qs is like a knife through butter compared to the 1250 it pulls hard in every gear from very low down i can honestly say the 1300 is a fantastic bike to ride compared to the 1250 tractor
My GS has been hilltopped and it certainly wasn’t night and day ref power and response . Handling clearly on the new one is better and minimal effort needed to flick from side to side . The tractor is staying certainly until the gen 2 models come out ! Ride safe 👍
My dealer told me my sept 22 gsa te rallye with 7500miles would only be worth 14k against a 1300gsa i am keeping mi e for at least 3 years i testrode same bike as you i found it like an xr also bars are way too close for me and there are things missing lije it should have had a new tft with apple carplay and android auto also back lit switch gear and the auto levelling suspension should be standard not £700 option i must say i wasnt feeling the tightness u mentioned about 400 times mate but the gsa 21 onwards has a tighter steering angle than the older bike and the gs and i noticed tje slow steering on the 1300 the gsa is better pal qs is improved alot and gearbox is snickety like xr to me its just too small also tje cheeky buggers make you need new panniers what a ripoff
Tighter meaning more sporty /flickable 😂. My gs has been Hilltopped and the response from the throttle was certainly up there with the new version in fact better I would say . I was half expecting to jump back on mine and fit it to feel alien as you get sometimes after a test ride but I guess they are both GS’s after all . Did show how good mine is though . Other testers have been popping the front wheel in the air on the power and it may be the dynamic pro / dynamic settings allow a bit more front wheel lift compared to my old 1250. The screen and radar stuff were very very good and I did like the blind spot detection. For me it would be a 4K price to swap which at the moment I wouldn’t do . I do think the jury is out amongst GS owners , possibly due to the complete makeover , although it still looks like a GS . Time will tell . I do like the Trophy version 🤔
@@gsd32i so how much did they offer for yours as vertu at rotherham said my gsa which is 13 months old is now only worth £14k as a trade in sounds like that dealer was offering more as yours is a gs not gsa as you know they were cheaper when new
@@austinmatthews347 Possibly if you end up with a major engine issue, but who knows really.Loads of folk have had it done. If one is comfortable with it then all well and good, it doesn't actually change the ECU coding.
@@gsd32i surely it replaces the fuel and ignition tables. I reckon any ecu issues that occured during warranty would result in the dealer accessing your ecu and seeing the nine stock map then warranry on the ecu is void also i think manufacturers build in trips to allow them to see if a map has been put in and removed. Its great if nothing goes wrong but with the price of these bikes i wouldnt mess with anything during tbe warranty thsts my thoughts
There in lies the dilemma, I ride in heavy Bangkok traffic, then weekends ride hundreds of kilometers and do few hours on trails. My r1250gs does it all......but how will the 1300 do in all conditions???
Thanks a great honest insight! i have a 2021 GS1250 and more than happy with it. I'm 6'2" and it suits me fine. I was interested to get a real world comparison on the new bike as most journo's hype it up because they are being paid to do it. It was interesting to get your view on the new gearbox as most say it transforms the bike in the new spec but i was sceptical? Id like to know how it is on a long journey because after all most GS's will be ridden a fair way? Like yourself? Is it really worth the extra money ? only time will tell? More Questions than answers at the moment but many thanks for your honest review and your time given?
I do think younger folk will now come across to the GS. I would like to see the triple black with gold wheels alongside mine…..the GSA will be interesting 🤔
Great presentation. I’m in two minds as to which bike to buy. A 1250 GS or the 1300 TE or the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT PLUS. THE Yamaha has all the extras a decent power range of 118 hp but it includes panniers and it’s £14995. Well cheaper. Have you ridden the Yamaha 9GT PLUS?
Great video, old fart at 57 ha ha! I'm an older 6'3" fart, Ive got a 1250GSA and done 28000k on it in 18months. I was going to wait till 2025 for the GSA1400? and decided to get the 1300GS; I love the 1250 but finding it bulky and cumbersome to maneuvering it around carparks and low speed in traffic etc and I am sure the 1400GSA is likely to have similar issues. I like the idea of a more writhe, lighter, gutsy GS (had a 2022 KTM SDGT briefly, power and nimbleness but ECM issues sold it after 6 months). Well looking forward to the 1300 have to wait till March 24 for Oz delivery :-). [ by the way the USB plug rotates to makeit easier to plug in, I saw this on another video]
Thank you, a really excellent review. My first impression probably controversial... It looks like a ladies bike....where the 1250's look like they mean business.
Apart from a face only a mother could love, there’s very little about this which might convince me that it’s worth changing a 1250 for. I prefer the looks of the old bike, It had more than enough shove, a better seat and really, is there much difference to the ride? The looks alone would stop me from buying one. Then the cheapskates can’t even provide a mudsling or hugger to protect the rear shock, nor a decent back light. Those integrated flasher rear lamps are a safety issue for me. Rear plate holder/indicator support is way too narrow. No splash protection whatsoever for rider or pillion. Sorry, but for me it’s full of compromises. All the things I wanted to see addressed, including backlighting control buttons and things mentioned above, they’ve failed to improve on. Screen is too small too. Given those things and the fact there’s already quality issues with the first recall announced, it’s an expensive trinket not worth the extra over a 1250 for me.
Well it needed an update but i think bmw have missed it with this it’s got the same mirrors same switches I don’t know what was going on with the side stand and headlights and it still rattles like my 1250 I definitely won’t be buying one
I have a gs 1250 on my second one. Not sure some of the arguments, The quickshifter is the worst on the market but in bmw defence the way your riding it there is where they say NOT to use the quickshifter 1st-2nd and at low revs if you push on and use it it’s better not great. I have ridden the 1300 it imo has miles more power far better quickshifter and apart from that it is still a gs. The 1250 for me looks better only as I hate the 1300 front end. The ride hight is a funny debate as the gs is hardly the tallest bike out there u less you have legs like a jack russel, The illuminated switches is another laughable comment as never have I required illuminated buttons and i’ve done thousands of miles at night. Generally or in fact almost always I never look at the switches. Overall the 1300 is more modern but for me I wouldn’t change it’s just another gs and they have been much of a much for years now.
Thanks for the comments . The new 1300 is certainly causing a few discussions . It will appeal to a wider audience (younger). There are so many hints and tips for the QS out on the web. BMW’s handbook makes no reference to when not use it etc from what I can see having downloaded the new 1300 owners manual to digest . With the sporty suspension giving a 20mm height increase it certainly will be a challenge for us 5’9 tall riders. My GS has been hilltopped and make of that as you wish but jumping back onto mine the power delivery was way better as it’s linear and if anything feels more powerful ….. I haven’t ridden a standard 1250 gs since I rode a test model before I got mine so maybe the new does feel it has more power but not in my case. I wouldn’t have got my GS without spoked wheels, so it would be nice to see the new GS with spoked wheels in the flesh . Certainly loved the screen and radar bits . I think it’s a bike that will divide opinions . No doubt I will be on a new one next year though 🙈😂
Hahaha thanks Alex . Jumping onto my hill topped 1250 really highlighted how good the flash is with the linear throttle response . The new GS is noticeably smaller and certainly more sporty. I think Greggs new Trophy one parked next to it in the showroom looks amazing . I wouldn’t buy mine with solid wheels as a think spokes look better. I would like to see it in the flesh with gold wheels . Jumping back on mine just showed how good the 1250 had got .In the meantime my bank balance is safe 😂
i think if you had the 1300 for a week, you "may" change your opinion on it, let`s be honest here, it`s NOT run in, everything`s tight and clunky on it, nothing`s loosened up etc etc.....gearbox`s are orrible when new, brakes aren`t bedded in, tires are not as grippy, just a few things to consider.........🤨🤨
Indeed true. Bike will be quicker through the twisty bits no doubt and I love the screen it was really very good , but at the moment mine still does it for me …plus the wife would kill Me if I said I wanted a new bike 😂
Thanks, I was off the island and have just got back. Looks like a bomb has exploded in some areas and our electricity was knocked out for 2 days, but all good and no damage to my house. ride safe 👍
I just switched from a 1250 GSA to a 1300 (both Trophy). I agree the 1250 is better looking, the mechanical changes are just too much to ignore: re-worked telelever, relocated transmission, shorter (bigger bore) cylinder heads, longer swing arm.
I would like to have given it a hard time BUT it has only done 80 miles! You can definitely get a feel how the bike rides though and get those initial thoughts. Would like to have it for 2000 miles to do a full review ...doubt the dealership would let me 🙈
not usb C, no carplay (for real.. that big screen, bike made for travel and nothing? this is ridiculous), new bike is ugly.. too expensive.. Im sticking to my tiger 900..
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Very good job presenting the new 1300 gs. I,too , will keep my1250. Apart from the massive financial investment getting a 1300 with all the extras , I , like most GS owners, have optimised my Triple Black to my needs. It has more power and torque that I could possibly use. With the new gs being slim and lighter ,I kind of like the brutish look of the 1250 even more. The 1300 is the bike that critics have demanded; lighter faster, more technology; however, that doesn’t make the 1250 any less of a great bike. Greetings, Jim
I love my 1150.
Hopefully the R1300 adventure will be more rugged and muscular 🤞
@@oldtimehockey7324 I'm with you. I've had my 1150gs for 20 years, with around 200,000 on the clock and still works the same now as it always had.
@@dereksmith6126 bought mine new on ‘01. It’s still so enjoyable to spend a day with.
@@oldtimehockey7324 A solid heavy bike. I've taken mine all over Europe.
Mate I was so looking forward to the 1300. I'm a 1250 triple black 2021. After the test ride I bought a 2023 GSA trophy. Didn't buy the bike to be stiffer or more horse power. I bought it to munch miles in comfort.
Thanks again for another great video. I have the 1250 and to be honest, I find the handling is the best I've ever had on a large bike. I've never found myself wishing I had more power or/and torque. I'm 6'2" so the frame is idea for me. Sure, the 1300 design is new to us, I personally don't like it but like anything new, it usually grows on you and of course, its a matter of personal taste. I like the electronic main stand assist (probably not the correct nomenclature). I love technological aids but there's a limit for me as I prefer to retain my rider awareness and not rely too much on them. I'm sure it's going to be of interest to people who didn't buy the 1250 due to it's weight and physical size.
I have a 12 month old 1250GS TE with a few extras, after riding the 1300 and liking it but not being blown-away by it, the nail in the coffin of a possible "upgrade" was that it would have been my bike plus £8.5k. On the ride home I really appreciated just how good the 1250 is and contemplated my chances of hiding £8.5k of 2nd bike from my wife 🙂 Overall my impression of the 1300 is that it's a great bike especially for more sporty riding, if the still flawed shifter/blipper and the "no initial bite" brakes prove to bed in over time then I might re-visit the idea in a year or 2, I could live with the transmission whine that sounds a bit like a rally car. Great review, thanks for helping me save £8.5k.
I think 1300 are 2 different bikes now the 1250 gs is a tourer and very good in the bends the new 1300 as was mentioned a bit more sportier! Then buy a sports bike 🤦♂️
I think you formed the same opinion as me . A bike that will divide opinion amongst GS owners. Interesting to see what the GSA will look like with 1400cc? The Trophy does look fab . I did like the way it handled , that screen was brilliant as was the radar stuff. I would certainly be inclined to do a bit more “off road”(ie gravel roads) with the new smaller one . Like you I have saved some cash . For the time being !! 😂
I’m after a GSA and have been looking at a 1250 with an eye on the 1300 and waiting until next year to see what the bigger bike was like. Your review seems to enforce my thoughts that although nice that the new bike is - to me it doesn’t warrant spending twice the amount from a 3YO with service history.
The new GS is lighter and stiffer without question. But I wonder how much of the seat of the pants flickability and handling difference can be attributed to the cast wheels (much lighter) v the cross spokes on your GS.
great vid. notice the relocation of the oil fill off the head now and the site glass is a vertical strip bow...
Ok, from what I can tell….first bike perspective, I think I would go with the 1250 GSA as it has a proven history vs new from ground up but with seemingly relative minor differences / improvement between old vs new.
Frying pan finish is a great description! 😂
I must say your gs looks alot better than the new one especially with the mods u did. I think you actually have the best modified gs that ive seen.
Great review, again, thanks. Llel Pavey at Break magazine did a great off-road focused review very recently.
Thanks will go over and have a look at what I will never(unlikely) do on mine 😂
That was a good riding presentation with all the key comments being exactly in line with my way of thinking. I had a 2014 R1200GSA TE for 9 years (and it never let me down once!) and last month I traded her in for a brand new R1250GSA TE. My decision to avoid the 1300 was based on the expectation that there would be initial production line issues with build and not forgetting a new suite of luggage would be required. A few 1300 issues are listed already on TH-cam but I expect the Germans to quickly sort. I am extremely delighted with the R1250 GSA TE as it is clearly much better than the 1200 wrt a very smooth and torquey engine, plus old farts like me can read the dash info. with ease. As has happened in the past with me I was never bold over with new GS models coming out, but leave me for a year or two and I get used to the idea that the time has come to change. Cheers, Wm. 👍
Waiting with interest for the GSA version . Been on my 1250 the last few days still love it . 👍
This new kid, is a progression of, the outgoing model. It has to be better, weather it suits current GS riders, is another story. I will be sticking with my triple black 2023, as I love it. When the times right(3 year). I’ll go for the new one. 👍🏻
Ditto...or the new GSA😂
I've been looking for a 1250 to buy but I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger because if I'm honest with myself I really want a 1300. The 12 kg weight savings, the cleaner look, the stiffer frame, more torque at lower rpm, these are all significant improvements IMO. I still like the 1250 a lot, but I like the 1300 even more. Now I just have to decide if it's worth the additional cost.
12kg is hardly a decider it’s half a tank of fuel. The 1300 has more tech rides a bit stiffer not as smooth and has more power . Sounds like a gs and goes like a gs. The money saving 1250/1300 new will not be massive prob a few grand
12kg weight reduction is a big deal to me. It's also a big deal to a lot of people which is why BMW went through the effort to make the bike lighter. I guarantee if BMW had continued the trend of making the new model heavier than the old one, the majority of people would have been very disappointed. BMW should get credit where credit is due. Also, 12 kg is over 4 gallons, which is close to a full tank.
It’s a tuff one . I would say try and ride them back to back at a friendly dealership . The new one certainly handles better and is less of a beast to haul about and I would be quicker on it .Trouble is my 1250 is just so good that I came away a little bit disappointed .I really wanted to be totally blown away if I am being honest and I wasn’t . Maybe I’ve just got too attached to my old girl , or possibly the new one is for the younger folk 😂
12 kg weight reduction is from a lithium battery and taking off the Center stand.
Yes its worth it
When you got back on your GS, my whole body relaxed. I have a 23 GSA triple black and wouldn’t change it for 10 free 1300’s.
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Great review. FYI, the USB receptacle can twist to make it easier to plug in. The 719 mirrors look great on your bike. It's too bad not available on the 1300 with the blind spot indicators.
Nice review and comparison! I’m interested in the adaptive ride height, but as a short arse (28” inseam), I’m concerned about the lack of a low suspension option. My current 1250 GS is low suspension with a low seat, and with that I can get the balls of my feet down. I’m not done with my 1250 yet, gonna ride it for a couple more years, but the 1300 has my interest for sure.
Adaptive option will get you auto lowering at speed below 30 kph. In combination with low seat you’ll get even smaller saddle height.
My sentiments to a T.
This is a scenario almost identical to mine [thumbsup]
but not comfortably low enough for those of us with compromised inseam@@mastadriver
@@RetroBiker I’m not tall either and on my standard suspension 1250 I allways stand on one feet only. On a 1300 with auto lowering I can get both feet comfortably down. Low suspension 1250 seat height is 800 mm, 1300 in lowest setting is 800mm. if anything people will be more comfortable on a 1300 because the seat has slimmer contours.
I’ve seen a lot of reviews on the 1300. This is one of the best. You are certainly more intelligent that than the average bear. Thanks man. 😊
Wow, thanks!
I have to agree with you. I have a 1250 GSA which is the same as yours for colour and wheels. Looking at the 2 bikes together, in my opinion, the 1250 looks better, the 1300 has a Japanese look to it! I totally understand the change in direction by BMW though. They need to move forward to keep up with the competition ultimately. Lets see what the replacement GSA looks like, apparently due for launch in September 2024, that might change my mind, however, I won’t be rushing out to change mine yet!
Since my GS is a very similar age to yours, I don't see myself changing. The nightmare of new luggage, etc would put me off to start with. I couldn't justify the new cost. It does seem nice, but I couldn't justify a change.
Sw motech no doubt have mounting points , brackets in production as we speak 😂
My sentiments exactly! I'm sticking with the 1250.
You’ve done a great review here but it sounded a little from the start that you were looking for negatives, almost trying to justify keeping your 1250 which is a brilliant bike. The mention of old farts 😂 I’m 62 and am fortunate to have a GSA ( 30k in 2 years on it ) and an S1000XR in the garage. It took me about 3 weeks to bed into the XR, but I still love the thrill of sharp handling and acceleration and this new 1300 seems to fall between a GS and an XR in performance and handling. My mate of the same age had a GS1250 and now has the GS1300 triple black and he can really handle a bike. He says it’s completely different in every way and much better to ride. So it’s a bit like when the 1250 was introduced people said there’s not much difference to the 1200 in performance …. But there was. This bike is another step forward. Once you see it with all the Touratech boxes and engine guards on it looking like a proper adv bike, minds might start to change. I’m 6’3 and am waiting to see the new GSA and if I don’t like it I’ll change to a V4 rally.
Hi appreciate comments . I did want to be blown away but wasn’t . Don’t get me wrong , without a doubt it handles better than my 1250 and is noticeably smaller when sat on and not in it and it won’t tie itself in knots when gunning it through the twisty bits like mine . But, my 1250 has been hilltopped (yes I know all the negative publicity) and the engine / throttle response felt better . I would like to see the triple black with gold wheels as I hate the solid ones . The GS Trophy looks the dogs bits though . I look forward to the launch of the GSA with a bigger engine . Either way the new GS will sell by the bucket load 👍
You are the first reviewer I've encountered who referred to the new quick shifter as a "bit clunky" and "not a huge improvement". Most of the other reviewers point it out as a major leap in comparison to the 1250. I am assuming everyone else tested very low milage one as well. I guess I won't know until I test one out myself. Currently own '23 1250 just like yours color combo and can't get enough of it. Good review. Thanks!
Cheers, folks just have to go and try one....for me ...I still really like my old tractor Triple black ....for now 😂
Absolutely great review of the new bmw thanks ❤
Great review and such a great video to watch. I also agree with your comments. Please keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!👍
Great review and gorgeous scenery ✌🏻 I’ve tried it a couple of weeks ago and coming from a 2018 fully optioned 1200GS rallye, I have to admit that the upgrade is huge : Torque, stiffness, handling, gearbox, wind protection and acceleration are on a whole new level. So I don’t understand why GS riders have that much difficulty in accepting change. I could have had the same impressions of “yeah it’s a bit better overall but not different enough to spend my money”. In the end even if you come from a 1250, you’re still going to want to be riding a GS - in essence - and that’s what we want, no? I would’ve been more of a shocker if the ride had been totally rearranged.
Anyway, I ordered mine today, and I don’t really care if it’s a first edition, because as said, the Germans will sort wobbly things out very quickly (if need so, because the build quality is there) no doubt about that. Ride safe !
Enjoy the new GS. I wait to see what the new 1400 GSA will be like. The new 1300 is definitely more agile BUT for me not with the upgrade . YET😂
I have a 1250 which is due for replacement next year. Right now I'd most likely go for a 1250GSA as the 1300.... well just looks awful 😞 I'm pretty gutted to be honest. I was hoping for CarPlay as the BMW Connected app isn't great. I'm interested to see how things pan out over the next year.
Great video…. It appears there are 2 mounting points for the windscreen.
Thanks for the info!
Awesome video! I do like this bike and I look forward to seeing one in the flesh. I have a '22 GS and absolutely love it. The best bike I have ever owned . Best!
The Trophy which was in the showroom , the dealers owners new bike looked amazing .
I'm swapping. I've got a 2021 GSA TE and an R nineT and im throwing both in to move to R1300 triple black. The R nine T is soooo pretty but its just not quite comfy or sporty enough and the GSA is just that slight touch too cumbersome. probably the R1250GS would have suited me better than the GSA but now that the new one is out and its gone a bit more sporty and a bit more techy and especially new gear box and QS - I'm in. I also think it looks amazing, very futuristic. the 1250 styling was great but now the new one is out its dating fast. Also on the review - hardly surprising an owner of a 1 year old bike with £1000s of extras doesnt want to swap....
Enjoy 👍
Enjoyed your piece on the 1300, you mentioned the 'howl' form the front end which is something that drives me nuts on the 1250. Does the infill panel you fitted cancel it out? Plus does the blade type screen you have on your 1250 reduce buffeting?
Thanks, the infill panel doesn't reduce it. The blade screen is the BMW Rallye screen and you get buffet but it's clean if that makes sense, more for look than anything to be honest. Apparently even above 130mph its fine😂
what a cracking review, super informative and very close to my thoughts after the test drive. I test drove the 1300 last week and initially my thoughts were get me back on the 1250, however after getting onto the twisty bits my mind was changed and I fell in love with it, I didn't notice any issues with the quick shifter on the bike I tested, the things that stood out the most for me were it felt a lot lighter, handling was superb and it was very quick, fell in love and ordered one this week after a lot of deliberation, my thinking is if they sell ,the price of the 1250 2019 plate I'm on at the min will be in tatters.
Kind Regards,
J
Great honest review 👍
It looks a little like my Honda NC 700. But dont blame BMW. A lot of people complaned about the growing weight in this segment.
Better to only use the quick shifter 2nd through 6th. Forget about it from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 1st.
Well done - a decent and fair review - I've ridden both old and new GS's and I agree - its not worth changing at the moment .....but lets see what the GSA is like next year.
I am hoping the 1400 is not brilliant as my wallet may be in trouble !!
same, i'm keeping my1250
thanks mate ive got the 2021 GS Rallye i think ill keep mine till it no longer runs lol its an awesome bike
The R1250 GS(A) gearbox has helical cut gears which tend to be quieter than the straight cut gears on the R1300GS. That’s probably what you’re hearing.
yes I thought so. appreciably smaller than mine, handles really well, but simply can’t justify the upgrade……at the moment . I have no doubt it will sell by the bucket load , I have just got to get use to that youthful look 👀 of the new kid on the block 😂
A big BMW traillie on the Channel Islands?
Would have thought you'd be better off with the BMW 400 X
indeed 😂
Good review.
You mentioned the market focus of the new 1300. Seems a bit strange if they are focussing on the 30's & early 40's, most of them just don't have the money, especially now with higher interest rates for the foreseeable future &, with bikes like this being a true luxury, I'm left wondering what BMW were thinking.
I'm about to buy a BMW Adventure & at the moment, I much prefer the 1250. I think it looks better & I much prefer the 30Lt tank for my purposes.
I'm 55 & been waiting a long while to buy me a BMW. I prefer the quiet exhaust, the comfy seat, the staid temperament , the torque when i need it & the reliability that I require. I'm not really after a hugely powerful fun machine at my age. Been there, done that. Been riding motor bikes since I was 7 years of age. Had a shit tin of bikes that I've had to work on, fix up, balance carbies, chains & sprockets & on & on. Now I just want a comfy bike that works, does what I NEED IT TO DO, doesn't need constant attention & I'm don't piss the neighbours off every morning.
I did want to be blown away, but wasn’t .The new one definitely handles better and is noticeably smaller, but just lacked something…character ? Who knows.Mine has had an ecu remap here in the uk and the throttle , I found, is much better than the demo bike I rode. I am hoping to ride the owner of the dealerships 1300 Trophy, if he’ll let me now that I wasn’t blown away by the demo bike, as he has had an ecu flash on his new Trophy, just like he and I have had on our 1250’s. I did quite like the frying pan finish of the new one, looks very hard wearing. Bottom line is that with outstanding finance on mine, although not huge, the price to change simply isn’t worth it for the benefits. I am hoping that the GSA will blow me away next year……🤞
Great review. Many thanks for doing it. Although the new 1300 is growing in me, I don’t think that the improvements on the new bike would tempt me from my current 2022 GSA, based on your review 🥴. Plus I don’t think Nippy Normans will have a large offering of bits to bolt on yet.
They did ask me if I was getting one ! I think like you say the new bike will grow on people as it is a bit of a change .
Just a quick one is the servicing schedule the same as the out going model was wondering if bmw have up it like most other manufacturers manufacturers 🤔
I believe it’s the same as the outgoing 1250, 6000 miles
Nice review thank you. Also good to see Jersey and the hotel I’ve stayed in many times. As a tall guy with long legs, I am worried about the smaller look of the new GS. I’ve got dodgy knees and having an as open knee angle as possible is vital for me. My 2023 GS has a higher seat and lower pegs and it’s only just comfortable for my knees. Did you notice how your legs felt? Was it more or less cramped than your GS? Cheers. Chris
Hi Chris . New bike very comfy and I was on it for a couple of hours . Loads of seat height bar height and peg height options from BMW . I’m sure your dealer will assist you in removing the necessary cash from your wallet 😂
I love the plushness of my 1250 in Road mode, it just absorbs bumps without you getting beat up. Would you has the 1300 is just as plush in Road mode?
You can adjust many things in the menus . Road mode was not as soft as mine ….. I think 🙈but I didn’t think anything negative as the ride was very good 👍
Thanks for the video. I understood that you can adjust individual seat heights but it's not the same as the 1250. You can raise or lower a section within the seat. 😃👍
I think you have to get different seats . The pillion has the option to have a seat that moves.
@@gsd32i Thanks. Ok, I'll check that one out. 😃👍
The adjustment in the seat adjusts the seat angle, but does little to the seat height!
A GS is like owning a Land Rover series 2/3 or Defender. No two are the same as over the years you add stuff and modify them for what you want and need. If you bought a new one, you'd have to start all over again.
Certainly for me the cost to change from my low milage factory lowered 2020 1250GS TE Exclusive would be rather salty but I guess many will have theirs on a PCP so they will only be interested in how much one is a month.
Yes I think you are right with that...looks wise, I am hoping it will really grow on me, I think you could really throw this around and have a lot of fun on it ,as it is noticeably smaller than my GS. BUT not going to upgrade, YET....but no doubt I will at some point. Trouble is I feel at one with my GS(don't throw up 😂) and emotionally attached to it!
@@gsd32iI've always had the feeling the GS is watching my back with all the riding aids it's got and seems to deal with whatever road conditions get thrown at it with ease. I've ordered a 1250RS instead this time round just for a change (as the 1250 I have now is my 3rd GS) and as I don't tour two up anymore and the RS is thousands cheaper it sort of makes sense if there's ever such a thing when choosing a bike. Just wish BMW would pull their finger out with my order.
The 1250GS Exclusive with gold wheels is my favorite. Why did I sell it? 😢
Why indeed 😂
@@gsd32i moved from the mountains in CO to the boring flat, straight roads of FL. Traded the 1250GS for a 1250R. Now I’m moving back to CO. It’s GS time again. 🤘
Does it feel less 'roomy' than the 1250? I'm all about comfort at my age. Having said that, I am a totally road focused rider. The 1300 does look more like an RS than a GS.
Hi. Comfort wise it was spot on , except the handlebars needed to be rolled forward for me .
Thanks this was well presented and covered all I wanted to know. I currently own a 1250gs and it is my first BMW. I think that if I was looking for a new BMW then the new 1300gs would be a no brainer. There's just not enough in it to trade up. If you want to ride more aggressively get an xr also the electronic wizardry is getting a bit excessive for my taste. BMW have definitely put out another winner .
Great review.... very informative... I do like the look of it.... Will it be any good for 2 up touring is the question. If I was single it might work. For solo riding love my r nine t. Or my R100 40 years old.
For touring I have a 1150 GS with no tech and tbh I love it.
It’s definitely smaller and handles really well . No doubt the looks will grow on me , but I think it’s lost some of its , ruggedness . Can’t wait to see someone do a head to head with 1250 and 1300 👍
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I have the r1250gs adv and find the tubular frame great for fixing Insta360 stick mounts and other accessories Also its a man size bike which I like.The new one looks cramped for a 6ft plus person.
Out of interest can the 1300 seat be tilted up at the front and lower at the back which is how I like it so I don`t feel I am falling into the tank and this takes some weight off my wrists.
It should have had 160plus hp backlit switchgear,bigger tank and no frying pan finish to temp me.
I won`t be buying one !
I believe the seat is fixed . Bike does ride very well and is smaller too. My Gs has had the hilltop Ecu map and when I jumped back onto mine I found my engine to be better response wise . I would have liked another 1 litre more not less . No doubt I will get one in a few years though 🙈 . Will try to ride the owner of the dealerships new Trophy with sports suspension which you can see in the video to the right in the showroom . That looks stunning .
I dont image there will be much difference with the gsa version other than the larger tank, whats the difference between the 1250 and 1250 gsa
Bigger tank , panels and suspension has more travel.
Rake angle is also different @@gsd32i
I waited for your review ,that said it seemed all the things you just said so last week a deposit changed Hands and mine (Triple Black) should be with me in Andalusia at Christmas , I still have the 1200 GS and the 1250, so QED the 1300 GS must be for me Ha Ha , I have a Pikes Peak since earlier this year its amazing BUT its not a GS a differant animal . good review as always mike
Thanks, wow some garage 👍
Great presentation. Thank you!
The views are awesome, you’re living in Heaven .
Thanks, wish heaven was a bit cheaper though 🤪 ride safe.
@@gsd32i - Just FYI a brand new GS1300 in Singapore is 80k SGD & you only own it for 10 years.
Having owned three GSs which were all great apart from the height and bulk of the GSA, much preferred the lower and lighter standard TE. Moved over to Ducati Multi V2S which I prefer and looking at an upgrade to the V4S. I do like the look of the new one, I’d have a Triple Black with the gold wheels. Test ride next time but I wish they did it in red😉
Ride safe and I guess any bike that makes you smile and enjoy riding is the right bike for you....dirty chains, no thanks 😂
@@gsd32i Yes, a shaft is a lot cleaner but adds weight and saps power, not an issue for me, modern chains are so much better than they used to be. I think part of the issue with the BMW gearbox was the shaft, seems to have been improved by relocating the gearbox.
Is the 1300 frame really sheet metal? Looks more like an aluminium or steel casting
BMW media stuff..."At the centre of the new suspension is the sheet metal shell main frame made of steel"👍
Nice review I’ve not see it in the flesh yet I’m sure it’s a great bike but then I own several models and have ridden the GS for more than ten years now. It’s the price now as I don’t need an upgrade but like you looked at the configurer and comes out near £22k but that’s without luggage so more like £23500.
I simply love my trusty 1250 and couldn’t think of getting rid of her for a younger slimmer model , which would cost me more money . Downfall of many a man ! 😂
Nice review
Issues getting a reasonable insurance quote at the moment....GS 1300 not on the Insurance database for the companies to quote...😳
I don’t like it’s small dimensions. I’m sticking with my 2018 TE Rallye for now
I think it’s bad timing a little bit for bmw and the gs not so much surplus cash about at the moment … the 1250 I think is more suited to its audience … nice review also THANKS for mentioning that horrendous roar which when I tuned into my one it really detracted from the ride , I’ll not be testing one
I would say go and try one 👍
@@gsd32i maybe if the opportunity arises I’ll not go looking for one though
The USB socket can rotate.
didn’t want to snap anything 😂
I will stick to my 1200GS LC, more power and torque than I ever need….
did i hear you correctly ? you mentioned "backlit switches" on a motorbike !!!!! i`m shell shocked !
😂
You'll get good money for your 1250GG, I'd change GSA will be probably to big, just a thought. Good video. 👌🍻
Question: is the power socket beside the TFT still a din?
It’s the small type , possibly din? The manual doesn’t say 🙈
@@gsd32i Thanks, the video isn't very clear but I doubt they'd go to cigarette lighter socket. Must be Din.
I can tell you the difference between the 1250 and 1300 is night and day you can ride the 1300 like a sports bike if you want the qs is like a knife through butter compared to the 1250 it pulls hard in every gear from very low down i can honestly say the 1300 is a fantastic bike to ride compared to the 1250 tractor
My 1250 pulls like a tractor from low rpm in all gears...it's great!
My GS has been hilltopped and it certainly wasn’t night and day ref power and response . Handling clearly on the new one is better and minimal effort needed to flick from side to side .
The tractor is staying certainly until the gen 2 models come out ! Ride safe 👍
My dealer told me my sept 22 gsa te rallye with 7500miles would only be worth 14k against a 1300gsa i am keeping mi e for at least 3 years i testrode same bike as you i found it like an xr also bars are way too close for me and there are things missing lije it should have had a new tft with apple carplay and android auto also back lit switch gear and the auto levelling suspension should be standard not £700 option i must say i wasnt feeling the tightness u mentioned about 400 times mate but the gsa 21 onwards has a tighter steering angle than the older bike and the gs and i noticed tje slow steering on the 1300 the gsa is better pal qs is improved alot and gearbox is snickety like xr to me its just too small also tje cheeky buggers make you need new panniers what a ripoff
Tighter meaning more sporty /flickable 😂. My gs has been Hilltopped and the response from the throttle was certainly up there with the new version in fact better I would say . I was half expecting to jump back on mine and fit it to feel alien as you get sometimes after a test ride but I guess they are both GS’s after all . Did show how good mine is though . Other testers have been popping the front wheel in the air on the power and it may be the dynamic pro / dynamic settings allow a bit more front wheel lift compared to my old 1250. The screen and radar stuff were very very good and I did like the blind spot detection. For me it would be a 4K price to swap which at the moment I wouldn’t do . I do think the jury is out amongst GS owners , possibly due to the complete makeover , although it still looks like a GS . Time will tell . I do like the Trophy version 🤔
@@gsd32i so how much did they offer for yours as vertu at rotherham said my gsa which is 13 months old is now only worth £14k as a trade in sounds like that dealer was offering more as yours is a gs not gsa as you know they were cheaper when new
Another thing getting your bike hilltopped i would have thought that would be against warranty rules
@@austinmatthews347 Possibly if you end up with a major engine issue, but who knows really.Loads of folk have had it done. If one is comfortable with it then all well and good, it doesn't actually change the ECU coding.
@@gsd32i surely it replaces the fuel and ignition tables. I reckon any ecu issues that occured during warranty would result in the dealer accessing your ecu and seeing the nine stock map then warranry on the ecu is void also i think manufacturers build in trips to allow them to see if a map has been put in and removed. Its great if nothing goes wrong but with the price of these bikes i wouldnt mess with anything during tbe warranty thsts my thoughts
When you get on a 1250 gs your ready for a adventure! , the 1300 is when you go to the office or supermarkets 😂🤣🤪
There in lies the dilemma, I ride in heavy Bangkok traffic, then weekends ride hundreds of kilometers and do few hours on trails. My r1250gs does it all......but how will the 1300 do in all conditions???
@@RJ-yn3nu we’ll stick with your 1250 gs you’ll need it to carry your big huevos for driving in Bangkok ! Excellent mate job done 😂👍👍
Thanks a great honest insight! i have a 2021 GS1250 and more than happy with it. I'm 6'2" and it suits me fine. I was interested to get a real world comparison on the new bike as most journo's hype it up because they are being paid to do it. It was interesting to get your view on the new gearbox as most say it transforms the bike in the new spec but i was sceptical? Id like to know how it is on a long journey because after all most GS's will be ridden a fair way?
Like yourself? Is it really worth the extra money ? only time will tell? More Questions than answers at the moment but many thanks for your honest review and your time given?
I do think younger folk will now come across to the GS. I would like to see the triple black with gold wheels alongside mine…..the GSA will be interesting 🤔
Great presentation. I’m in two minds as to which bike to buy. A 1250 GS or the 1300 TE or the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT PLUS.
THE Yamaha has all the extras a decent power range of 118 hp but it includes panniers and it’s £14995. Well cheaper.
Have you ridden the Yamaha 9GT PLUS?
No but I intend to 👍
I'll be very interested in your review of the Tracer 9 GT plus. Whenever that will be.
Thanks again for a great presentation. 👍
Great video, old fart at 57 ha ha! I'm an older 6'3" fart, Ive got a 1250GSA and done 28000k on it in 18months. I was going to wait till 2025 for the GSA1400? and decided to get the 1300GS; I love the 1250 but finding it bulky and cumbersome to maneuvering it around carparks and low speed in traffic etc and I am sure the 1400GSA is likely to have similar issues. I like the idea of a more writhe, lighter, gutsy GS (had a 2022 KTM SDGT briefly, power and nimbleness but ECM issues sold it after 6 months). Well looking forward to the 1300 have to wait till March 24 for Oz delivery :-). [ by the way the USB plug rotates to makeit easier to plug in, I saw this on another video]
Thanks for the plug tip, how many others don’t know about that 😂
Is that an airbag you are wearing?
hi, no it’s just a ruck sack, kreiga . 👍
Am I the only one that really dislikes that the did away with the tubular frame? It looks way more delicate, I like my Gsa look rugged
I'm really not a fan of the styling, I can't get the fact it looks like a Honda NC700X out of my head! 🤣
Nice review, what helmet are you wearing?
Hjc
Rear wheel looks too small in the side-on pictures.
1250 all the way!
How about that engine noise ?
It was fine just a bit of a whine from the gearbox or something like that .
Thank you, a really excellent review.
My first impression probably controversial...
It looks like a ladies bike....where the 1250's look like they mean business.
No comment for fear of being cancelled 😂
Not Brembos...the beauty of a 2023
Apart from a face only a mother could love, there’s very little about this which might convince me that it’s worth changing a 1250 for. I prefer the looks of the old bike, It had more than enough shove, a better seat and really, is there much difference to the ride?
The looks alone would stop me from buying one. Then the cheapskates can’t even provide a mudsling or hugger to protect the rear shock, nor a decent back light. Those integrated flasher rear lamps are a safety issue for me. Rear plate holder/indicator support is way too narrow. No splash protection whatsoever for rider or pillion.
Sorry, but for me it’s full of compromises. All the things I wanted to see addressed, including backlighting control buttons and things mentioned above, they’ve failed to improve on. Screen is too small too.
Given those things and the fact there’s already quality issues with the first recall announced, it’s an expensive trinket not worth the extra over a 1250 for me.
What is the recall for ?
@@gsd32i Starter relay fault as I understand it.
Well it needed an update but i think bmw have missed it with this it’s got the same mirrors same switches I don’t know what was going on with the side stand and headlights and it still rattles like my 1250 I definitely won’t be buying one
I have a gs 1250 on my second one. Not sure some of the arguments, The quickshifter is the worst on the market but in bmw defence the way your riding it there is where they say NOT to use the quickshifter 1st-2nd and at low revs if you push on and use it it’s better not great.
I have ridden the 1300 it imo has miles more power far better quickshifter and apart from that it is still a gs. The 1250 for me looks better only as I hate the 1300 front end.
The ride hight is a funny debate as the gs is hardly the tallest bike out there u less you have legs like a jack russel, The illuminated switches is another laughable comment as never have I required illuminated buttons and i’ve done thousands of miles at night. Generally or in fact almost always I never look at the switches.
Overall the 1300 is more modern but for me I wouldn’t change it’s just another gs and they have been much of a much for years now.
Thanks for the comments . The new 1300 is certainly causing a few discussions . It will appeal to a wider audience (younger). There are so many hints and tips for the QS out on the web. BMW’s handbook makes no reference to when not use it etc from what I can see having downloaded the new 1300 owners manual to digest . With the sporty suspension giving a 20mm height increase it certainly will be a challenge for us 5’9 tall riders. My GS has been hilltopped and make of that as you wish but jumping back onto mine the power delivery was way better as it’s linear and if anything feels more powerful ….. I haven’t ridden a standard 1250 gs since I rode a test model before I got mine so maybe the new does feel it has more power but not in my case. I wouldn’t have got my GS without spoked wheels, so it would be nice to see the new GS with spoked wheels in the flesh . Certainly loved the screen and radar bits . I think it’s a bike that will divide opinions . No doubt I will be on a new one next year though 🙈😂
Great review Paul. Your wife is probably breathing a sigh of relief or maybe you are for not having to break the news 😂
Hahaha thanks Alex . Jumping onto my hill topped 1250 really highlighted how good the flash is with the linear throttle response . The new GS is noticeably smaller and certainly more sporty. I think Greggs new Trophy one parked next to it in the showroom looks amazing . I wouldn’t buy mine with solid wheels as a think spokes look better. I would like to see it in the flesh with gold wheels . Jumping back on mine just showed how good the 1250 had got .In the meantime my bank balance is safe 😂
@@gsd32i yes, saw Greg’s in there last week, looked nice!
@@AlexCordiner No doubt it will be run up the hill😂
As a 3 time GS buyer, all bought new, I'm disappointed. It looks cramped, and small. I'll keep my 2022 r1250gs Rally for a while.
Not sure I actually like the 1300, seems to have lost something and now looks more like most other bikes apart from its quirky marmite headlight.
The whining noise really annoyed me, no other reviews have mentioned it.
i think if you had the 1300 for a week, you "may" change your opinion on it, let`s be honest here, it`s NOT run in, everything`s tight and clunky on it, nothing`s loosened up etc etc.....gearbox`s are orrible when new, brakes aren`t bedded in, tires are not as grippy, just a few things to consider.........🤨🤨
Indeed true. Bike will be quicker through the twisty bits no doubt and I love the screen it was really very good , but at the moment mine still does it for me …plus the wife would kill
Me if I said I wanted a new bike 😂
@@gsd32i yes, i KNOW that feeling about the wife, i just want an old shitter for work and i`m getting aggro !
Apparently you have a massive storm coming your way the channel islands, your gonna need that extra weight of your 1250 gs 😂🤣 take care
Thanks, I was off the island and have just got back. Looks like a bomb has exploded in some areas and our electricity was knocked out for 2 days, but all good and no damage to my house. ride safe 👍
I hate the look of this new bike. Stay with your 'old' GS.. múch more beautiful.
I just switched from a 1250 GSA to a 1300 (both Trophy). I agree the 1250 is better looking, the mechanical changes are just too much to ignore: re-worked telelever, relocated transmission, shorter (bigger bore) cylinder heads, longer swing arm.
I prefer the look of my TB 1250…
why buy a bike without tke japaneese quality standards due to a lot of research
You twist the USB up so it’s not at 90 degrees. Learn before you gripe.
Thanks for the input. always good to learn. ride safe 👍
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I would not.
until it’s done 2000 miles no point in comparing
I would like to have given it a hard time BUT it has only done 80 miles! You can definitely get a feel how the bike rides though and get those initial thoughts. Would like to have it for 2000 miles to do a full review ...doubt the dealership would let me 🙈
The new BMW GS looks more like a Honda Hornet. Not interested.
not usb C, no carplay (for real.. that big screen, bike made for travel and nothing? this is ridiculous), new bike is ugly.. too expensive.. Im sticking to my tiger 900..