You know, MIDI files are pretty important to me, everyone hates them for sounding bad, but they're a crucial part of internet history, and besides, if you have Fooplayer of anything that supports BassMidi, all you need is some soundfonts and they sound pretty decent compared to normal midi also, I'm a fan of how Dist guitar instrument bank sounds
The biggest problem I have with MIDI isn't how it sounds, it's actually the process of composing a MIDI itself, especially when you can't access a certain type of instrument that isn't a default (in my case it's finding Genesis instruments so I can use them I have them I just don't know how to access them in FL so I can use them).
@@nickyogurt I mean we’ve come a long way with synthetic instruments, like now we can get generally pretty realistic sounding stuff but back then that shit sounded like auto tone but for trumpets
I really like this songs, they might sound “bad” for some people, but they’re midis, they can use any instrument to sound better, it’s just getting use to
After listening to it, it doesn't actually sound THAT bad. Sure, the instrumentation botched some songs (carnival night act 1 especially), but in general its not that bad.
the only good parts are the arrangement and the mixing. The instruments used are an awful pick and most of them mismatch. Either way, the mixing and arrangement are the same in the console version anyways so its not like this has that one thing better over the console release
@@FieryN8 Yeah, after listening to the MIDI, FM and OPL3, I have to say the tracks are not that bad but the instrumentations in some areas are just bad. But there are places where the MIDI and FM are good, like Hydrocity Act 2.
I really wish they hadn't gone the Midi route and got someone to do a tracker version of it. Like, look at Jazz Jackrabbit, tracker soundtrack and it was so chunky and awesome
I actually kinda like it. It’s clearly inferior to the original games, but it’s it’s not bad by any means. Could use some better samples for the synth instruments, though.
@@spicybreadproductions1972 don't get me wrong! They could have gone with AbLib and it would have sounded terrible, so I am glad they didnt do that. I just know that there is a Universe where they went with ModTracker
MIDI itself isn't bad at all, it can sound great with the right soundfont - it's just a shame the Windows General MIDI soundfont is terrible, this sounds a LOT better with the sounds these were sequenced for
@@MirrorHall_Clay Oh don't get me wrong, I adore MIDI. I grew up on PC point and click games that used MIDI constantly (Gabriel Knight 1 has one of the best MIDI soundtracks of alltime. Everytime I hear it I forget it's MIDI) Unfortunately MIDI is just isn't good for platforming games because it lacks the 'energy' what a lot of sound fonts have. Jazz Jackrabbit is the perfect example of a developer knowing that the only way to make music crunchy and punchy enough to match their 'Sonic inspired' platformer was to use tracker music.
OKAY. So the PC Collection was how I played S3K most of my childhood. I knew then that the back half of Sonic 3 was different, but what I didn't know is that Sky Sanctuary has a *slightly* different melody, so slight that for the following 20 years I was convinced that I had simply heard it wrong because children are stupid. I'm only just realizing now at 32 that child me was in fact not stupid and now everything I know is a lie
Almost the same with me. The PC collection was also how I played it back in the day (I grew up a PC gamer mostly because my dad wouldn't allow consoles after my siblings didn't treat our Gameboy (original) well), but I didn't know some of the tracks were changed. When I first heard the actual tracks for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base, I was so confused. I personally liked the PC tracks better listening to the two.
Everyone talks hot shit about these but they're not even bad. The GM arrangements are a bit stinky compared to the FM midis in the pack, but it's a a few out of a mostly decent tracks. Lava reef act 1 is inexcusable though Also spoiler: any time sonic and knuckles / sonic 3 music gets rearranged Jun senoue uses these tracks as the basis Listen to the act 2 part of the angel island mix from brawl, or flying battery from one of the Mario and sonic games. These midis will never die
In a way, it makes sense, since the MIDIs are probably the versions from close to original release that's easiest to open up and see the sequence for on just about any hardware ...doesn't excuse that it's still being used though, it's not that hard to see the original sequences from the Genesis when there are all sorts of tools to do exactly that
This sounds really good! I don’t get why people hated these songs because of the midi. I think people only disliked the prototype CNZ, LBZ and ICZ because they weren’t the original songs. People hate change and they like nostalgia so they automatically hated the songs without thinking.
Seeing as when I was a child I played it through PC, I personally like the PC versions of the songs better. I almost always feel like saluting at the start of LBZ, like reflexively.
Thanks for putting this together, I rebought Sonic and Knuckles Collection (the actual cd) and was gonna try ripping the audio from it, but I was havin trouble doin so. This is the one I had when I was little, first time I heard the actual version of CNZ, ICZ, and LBZ I thought they rewrote them... only to find out that was backwards. Then I saw people acting like these were the plague of the Earth, which I get just not liking, but people were acting like it was sacrilege or something. I couldn't find a download for PC version, figured it was because Midi was outdated, so I appreciate you doing this and having it out for download. I'm more use to a two times loop on stage musics, but beggars can't be choosers. Now, I'll see if I can find something that can convert it Mp3 so I can add it to my iTunes playlist. P.S. I was one of the kids in the 90s that didn't think Sonic or Tails could get past the barrels in CNZ. I thought Knuckles was the only one who could get through since he didn't even go that way and Sonic could only go though Sonic and Knuckles (Mushroom Hill and on)
I can hear some variation in the melody for a couple of tracks, particular Hydrocity or Marble Garden. It's not 1:1 with the original Genesis version. I love how seamlessly each song plays into the next though.
This soundtrack sounds amazing! I used to have this game on PC & I was introduced to the prototype tracks through this. I don't know why people diss this MIDI soundtrack. I think the MIDI treatment gives each song a extra layer of realism & atmosphere to the game experience. The MIDI expands on what the Genesis couldn't do. Sonic Origins prototype music should've drawn off of this & the first version of the prototypes for a better quality sound. Jun Senoue is a great musician but he was using the wrong tools to compose the music as well as bad instrumentation & mixing. The tracks that sound stellar on this are Angel Island Act 1 & 2 (as a person of Caribbean background, these renditions nail the tropical Caribbean sound nicely!!!!), Marble Garden Act 1 & 2, Carnival Night Act 1 & 2, Ice Cap Act 1 & 2, Launch Base Act 1 & 2, Mushroom Act 1 & 2, Fly Battery Act 1 & 2, Lava Reef Act 1 & 2, Death Egg 1 & 2, Mini-Boss, Boss, Pre-Final Boss (this sounds brilliant!), Credits. Do some tracks need some improvements? Yes, but they are not bad as people are making them out to be. Sonic Origins did drop the ball badly, when they could've easily had Tee Lopes do those prototype tracks to make those zones with the omitted Michael Jackson music pop & sound better. I am highly critical of music & I will say after listening to this that they could've remastered the whole Sonic Origins soundtrack of music to make them sound of Sonic CD quality with the rest of the games in the collection
DUDE THEESE ARE AWESOME SOME ARE BETTER THAN THE ORIGINALS ALSO FINAL BOSS OMG IT IS... AN EPIC BELL REMIX WTF OMG Edit changelog: +OTIGINALS is changed to ORIGINALS which is the correct form. +Final boss review added.
hearing the carnival night act 1 theme, i can see the inspiration they took for origins. which is why im wondering they didnt rather take it from the prototype.
we have the pc game called sonic and knuckles collection for pc released in 1997 with a computer CD-ROM that they will have to crack the sonic and knuckles collection game for pc without this needing a CD-rom which if it happens to sega I don't know what if it happens so I can program the game with midi music so I can play it without using a CD-ROM.
this pc game that unfortunately they are going to have to crack the Sonic and knuckles collection game for pc that no one uses anymore 💿 because if we want to play it without using it 💿 and we listen to the midi songs, and they will have to program and listen to the midi songs that I never forget, because my mind 🧠 is full of reasoning that my mind 🧠 records in my eyes and my ears before my mind 🧠
Which SC-55 soundfont did you use to record these? It sounds very similar to 8mbgm.sf2, but the midi instruments seem match better than when I play them on my computer.
They sound like SNES tracks with crazy amounts of reverb.
You know, MIDI files are pretty important to me, everyone hates them for sounding bad, but they're a crucial part of internet history, and besides, if you have Fooplayer of anything that supports BassMidi, all you need is some soundfonts and they sound pretty decent compared to normal midi
also, I'm a fan of how Dist guitar instrument bank sounds
The biggest problem I have with MIDI isn't how it sounds, it's actually the process of composing a MIDI itself, especially when you can't access a certain type of instrument that isn't a default (in my case it's finding Genesis instruments so I can use them I have them I just don't know how to access them in FL so I can use them).
People think MIDIs sound bad? Dang, I didn't know that
I think they sound p nice
People who think midi "sounds bad" don't know what midi is
I agree.
@@nickyogurt I mean we’ve come a long way with synthetic instruments, like now we can get generally pretty realistic sounding stuff but back then that shit sounded like auto tone but for trumpets
I really like this songs, they might sound “bad” for some people, but they’re midis, they can use any instrument to sound better, it’s just getting use to
Holy shit that Seinfeld slap bass in MGZ Act 2
Love the Seinfeld inspiration. SEGA sure loved Seinfeld enough to reference it.
After listening to it, it doesn't actually sound THAT bad. Sure, the instrumentation botched some songs (carnival night act 1 especially), but in general its not that bad.
I like Hydrocity Act 2 the most!
@@HypaBox The Doomsday Zone/Final Boss sounds amazing
the only good parts are the arrangement and the mixing. The instruments used are an awful pick and most of them mismatch. Either way, the mixing and arrangement are the same in the console version anyways so its not like this has that one thing better over the console release
@@FieryN8 Yeah, after listening to the MIDI, FM and OPL3, I have to say the tracks are not that bad but the instrumentations in some areas are just bad. But there are places where the MIDI and FM are good, like Hydrocity Act 2.
Sonic Origins 🥲🥲🥲
Even if the prototype tracks are completely ruined in this one, this still has some charm behind it.
they're not ruined, they where seemingly rearranged as some play faster
@@ViewpointProd I think they were ruined.
@@ViewpointProd but i think they sound worse.
Probably the most correct way to say would be "ruined in the same way as 32X Doom soundtrack"
@@knuckt.k.9456 that's an opinion
I really wish they hadn't gone the Midi route and got someone to do a tracker version of it. Like, look at Jazz Jackrabbit, tracker soundtrack and it was so chunky and awesome
I actually kinda like it. It’s clearly inferior to the original games, but it’s it’s not bad by any means. Could use some better samples for the synth instruments, though.
@@spicybreadproductions1972 don't get me wrong! They could have gone with AbLib and it would have sounded terrible, so I am glad they didnt do that. I just know that there is a Universe where they went with ModTracker
MIDI itself isn't bad at all, it can sound great with the right soundfont - it's just a shame the Windows General MIDI soundfont is terrible, this sounds a LOT better with the sounds these were sequenced for
@@MirrorHall_Clay Oh don't get me wrong, I adore MIDI. I grew up on PC point and click games that used MIDI constantly (Gabriel Knight 1 has one of the best MIDI soundtracks of alltime. Everytime I hear it I forget it's MIDI)
Unfortunately MIDI is just isn't good for platforming games because it lacks the 'energy' what a lot of sound fonts have.
Jazz Jackrabbit is the perfect example of a developer knowing that the only way to make music crunchy and punchy enough to match their 'Sonic inspired' platformer was to use tracker music.
OKAY. So the PC Collection was how I played S3K most of my childhood. I knew then that the back half of Sonic 3 was different, but what I didn't know is that Sky Sanctuary has a *slightly* different melody, so slight that for the following 20 years I was convinced that I had simply heard it wrong because children are stupid. I'm only just realizing now at 32 that child me was in fact not stupid and now everything I know is a lie
Almost the same with me. The PC collection was also how I played it back in the day (I grew up a PC gamer mostly because my dad wouldn't allow consoles after my siblings didn't treat our Gameboy (original) well), but I didn't know some of the tracks were changed. When I first heard the actual tracks for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base, I was so confused.
I personally liked the PC tracks better listening to the two.
that act 1 to 2 transition on mushroom hill was really smooth tho
Everyone talks hot shit about these but they're not even bad. The GM arrangements are a bit stinky compared to the FM midis in the pack, but it's a a few out of a mostly decent tracks. Lava reef act 1 is inexcusable though
Also spoiler: any time sonic and knuckles / sonic 3 music gets rearranged Jun senoue uses these tracks as the basis
Listen to the act 2 part of the angel island mix from brawl, or flying battery from one of the Mario and sonic games. These midis will never die
tee lopes also referenced this version of the ost in lava reef act 1, where he used a backing dyad not present in the original. 17:06
In a way, it makes sense, since the MIDIs are probably the versions from close to original release that's easiest to open up and see the sequence for on just about any hardware
...doesn't excuse that it's still being used though, it's not that hard to see the original sequences from the Genesis when there are all sorts of tools to do exactly that
This sounds really good! I don’t get why people hated these songs because of the midi. I think people only disliked the prototype CNZ, LBZ and ICZ because they weren’t the original songs. People hate change and they like nostalgia so they automatically hated the songs without thinking.
You have to remember midi soundcards in 1997 really sucked.
@@MasteredRealm ah okay
Hydrocity Act 2 sucks, though.
Seeing as when I was a child I played it through PC, I personally like the PC versions of the songs better. I almost always feel like saluting at the start of LBZ, like reflexively.
Or because they actually sounded pretty flat and cheap
Dear Lord, that transition from Mushroom Hill Act 2 to Flying Battery Act 1 is so good!
And I like how you didn't just upload the whole soundtrack but actually made it into a medley.
that Slapbass is fantastic in marble garden 2
Marble Garden 2 is probably the only one that may sound better here in MIDI than it did on the Genesis.
Seinfield Garden
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SEGA love Seinfeld so much. Just ask the CEO of Sonic Team.
Midi has a very distinct charm to it, I think overall it sounds pretty good.
2:10 the countermelody here sounds even better than on the genesis
thank you for spreading the midiout rips to everyone. these are personally my first favourite s3 music renditions
I love the last part on the final boss, its so good. 22:15
It was in the prototype of Sonic 3 too
Thanks for putting this together, I rebought Sonic and Knuckles Collection (the actual cd) and was gonna try ripping the audio from it, but I was havin trouble doin so. This is the one I had when I was little, first time I heard the actual version of CNZ, ICZ, and LBZ I thought they rewrote them... only to find out that was backwards. Then I saw people acting like these were the plague of the Earth, which I get just not liking, but people were acting like it was sacrilege or something.
I couldn't find a download for PC version, figured it was because Midi was outdated, so I appreciate you doing this and having it out for download. I'm more use to a two times loop on stage musics, but beggars can't be choosers. Now, I'll see if I can find something that can convert it Mp3 so I can add it to my iTunes playlist.
P.S. I was one of the kids in the 90s that didn't think Sonic or Tails could get past the barrels in CNZ. I thought Knuckles was the only one who could get through since he didn't even go that way and Sonic could only go though Sonic and Knuckles (Mushroom Hill and on)
You can get recordings here:
th-cam.com/video/BOc1NgSwc9U/w-d-xo.html
@@MasteredRealm Thank you for that =D
These transitions are so clean
I will always love the midi tracks so much
This is just bizarre to come back to lmfao
I can hear some variation in the melody for a couple of tracks, particular Hydrocity or Marble Garden. It's not 1:1 with the original Genesis version.
I love how seamlessly each song plays into the next though.
22:19 Ya know what? Still sounds better than Sonic Chronicles.
What are you talking about? Sonic Chronicles is the best Sonic game.
I can't Big Arms can still sound good IN FUCKING MIDI!
It kinda sounds like it is Genesis Final Fantasy-ified.
A lot of memories here. Especially with that sound effect at the end of Final Boss and the beginning of Doomsday. 22:16
the transitions are cool
That snare on Ice Cap 2 is a punch to the face hahaha
Roland cc 55 is awesome
I cant believe some of these normal yet old midis sound better than modern day's sonic origins
This soundtrack sounds amazing! I used to have this game on PC & I was introduced to the prototype tracks through this. I don't know why people diss this MIDI soundtrack. I think the MIDI treatment gives each song a extra layer of realism & atmosphere to the game experience. The MIDI expands on what the Genesis couldn't do. Sonic Origins prototype music should've drawn off of this & the first version of the prototypes for a better quality sound. Jun Senoue is a great musician but he was using the wrong tools to compose the music as well as bad instrumentation & mixing. The tracks that sound stellar on this are Angel Island Act 1 & 2 (as a person of Caribbean background, these renditions nail the tropical Caribbean sound nicely!!!!), Marble Garden Act 1 & 2, Carnival Night Act 1 & 2, Ice Cap Act 1 & 2, Launch Base Act 1 & 2, Mushroom Act 1 & 2, Fly Battery Act 1 & 2, Lava Reef Act 1 & 2, Death Egg 1 & 2, Mini-Boss, Boss, Pre-Final Boss (this sounds brilliant!), Credits. Do some tracks need some improvements? Yes, but they are not bad as people are making them out to be. Sonic Origins did drop the ball badly, when they could've easily had Tee Lopes do those prototype tracks to make those zones with the omitted Michael Jackson music pop & sound better. I am highly critical of music & I will say after listening to this that they could've remastered the whole Sonic Origins soundtrack of music to make them sound of Sonic CD quality with the rest of the games in the collection
Given the PC port is how I played most of the game as a kid, this manages to hit me right in the nostalgia
Flying battery sound so good in midi
Pov: Sonic 3 was released for nintendo 64
Idk why people hate the S&K collection music it’s fine to me.
its incredible
Poggers
Now im gonna do the evil and make them into a smps
DUDE THEESE ARE AWESOME SOME ARE BETTER THAN THE ORIGINALS
ALSO FINAL BOSS OMG IT IS... AN EPIC BELL REMIX WTF OMG
Edit changelog:
+OTIGINALS is changed to ORIGINALS which is the correct form.
+Final boss review added.
Sandopolis is so good..
it's Way more better than original FM sounds
It is great
Esses arquivos midis lembra Java
Será que daria certo ter Sonic 3 no j2me?
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lava reef is straight 🔥
An alternate Credit theme medley
oh cool
hearing the carnival night act 1 theme, i can see the inspiration they took for origins. which is why im wondering they didnt rather take it from the prototype.
cool
Wait what happens if you put DOOM's Midis into Sonic & Knux Collection soundtrack?
The game would sound like doom..The midis are being played by windows. there's nothing special about how SK collection plays midis
what system did you get the midis on?
This was rendered with a Roland SC55 soundfont.
I wonder if you can edit the sonic 3pc midi files so that can sound better because carnival night act 1 has a meladey and marble garden act 2.
Dunno how to reinsert them
we have the pc game called sonic and knuckles collection for pc released in 1997 with a computer CD-ROM that they will have to crack the sonic and knuckles collection game for pc without this needing a CD-rom which if it happens to sega I don't know what if it happens so I can program the game with midi music so I can play it without using a CD-ROM.
Yeeeeeeees.
Can you put in a Google drive
The archive is back online
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Still better that Sonic Chronicles entire OST
Play it on "timbres of heaven" sf2 (soundfont file) its sound too beautiful
some tracks might found from the Prototype of Sonic 3.
To be honest, this isn't that bad, I don't know why people hate this?
This is my fanmade MIDI track. The one in Origins has Sonic 1 drums even though it's in Sonic 3.
9:20 OCD: The MIDI file
Guess some Prototypes made their way on to the PC
The prototype tracks lack in consistency, some sound good and some dont
this pc game that unfortunately they are going to have to crack the Sonic and knuckles collection game for pc that no one uses anymore 💿 because if we want to play it without using it 💿 and we listen to the midi songs, and they will have to program and listen to the midi songs that I never forget, because my mind 🧠 is full of reasoning that my mind 🧠 records in my eyes and my ears before my mind 🧠
Still better than the Sonic Origin OST
Guess Stealth did have a pretty big position in the old Sonic Fanbase.
needs more midi
Mastered Realm Im Back Better Than Ever. Im Thinking On Porting Ur Sonic 1 Remastered OST! And Give u credits and ur channel Mind If I Can Port Them?
No prob.
I kinda get mega man x vibes sometimes
Which SC-55 soundfont did you use to record these? It sounds very similar to 8mbgm.sf2, but the midi instruments seem match better than when I play them on my computer.
github.com/trevor0402/SC55Soundfont/releases
@@MasteredRealm awesome, thanks!
cool