I forgot to mention, that aside from the costly bill I'd get from FM, I'd have to give up my WTF Steep & Deep rails as I'm sure the controller would get replaced/updated to Haptic Buzz kill firmware. The rail angle is too steep to level with Custom Shaping 3.0, and I know it doesn't behave the same going in reverse. I much prefer having the board perfectly level in both directions, and not require it get up to speed before it starts leveling.
I have been on VESC so long I forget about this issue. FM knows angled rails are a thing and they could easily add a calibrate button or offset setting. It's probably some stupid liability thing.
wait for our GT controller replacement, it would allow you to have 200% more power and works perfectly with WTF rails, GT is kinda shit without a WTF rail to be honest, I constantly twist my outer side ankle riding stock GT, I just miss that tilt.
Adding the step to checking the motor plug for all my troubleshooting advice when people complain about getting tossed or power loss. Good info Steve. Thanks again.
Certainly. It's definitely part of my routine now as well. Way too often I have hear ppl complain about nose dropping on them, and most the time I hear people to check the footpad sensor (which you should still do!) - but I don't hear people suggest to check the motor cable plug.
I've been following your videos for a while but I missed this one. This was actually huge. Thanks for the PSA. I am already very anal about loading up on dielectric grease but I never even thought to make sure my connectors are clean before plugging in.
Glad you are back on the wheel! I get to watch you ride all winter. Too much snow up here. Well I do use it in the winter a little..... I use my GT to take the garbage can up to the end of the driveway every week. but sadly no good rides till spring.
Hehe, yea, we do our hibernating in the Summer here. Actually, I try to plan a few trips out to Cali to escape the heat and always drive so I can bring the boards. But ya, e do get a lot of snowbirds here in the winter, so if you are feeling desperate...the trails out here will be waiting!
Heck yeah, so glad you were able to repair your motor cable! The soldering looks great and that plug looks way better than the stock. Good job Mr. Ginter and a awesome video. Float on brother ✊
The Right to Repair vibes are flowing in this video! As a VESC guy I love being the one in full control of my board. I love seeing repairs that stick it to FM even more.
My board cut out, i feel and got some nasty abrasians and smacked the back on of my hwad on the cement. My saving grace was my full faced helmet! Board makes a weird clicky/beeping sound and as you said "loses power" or feels weaker despite having a full battery. Imm gonna take a look a the motor plug tomorrow and tru to clean it out.
Yup just had the exact same thing happen on me, rode my badgered GT with motor retention clip in the rain and next thing I know one of the phase wire pins is fried. I’m planning on vescing my GT and completely getting rid of the motor plug and using cable gland instead. Can run beefy bullet connectors to handle high amp draw, and when it comes to waterproofing, the best connector is no connector
Sorry to hear that. I'm probably going to do the same if it breaks for the 6th time... Just make sure you have some way to disconnect the motor or tire changes will be more work!
@@ThatsGinterEV true true, luckily the gt box can be opened without removing the controller from the rail, so only really adds a few more screws to get inside the controller, + unplugging 4 wires to do a tire change
Similar thing happened to me, My board is set up basically the same with WTF Rails. The stock Cable is just a fraction too short in most GT's and when you put WTF's on the board the cable is way too short to make a proper connection. My issue was with a Hall Sensor, not the Phase Wires. I considered doing a bypass like you have, but in the end I went with Vesc option. This was due to Shipping a board back to FM from the UK was more expensive than me just buying a New GT. I just wanted a board I could Trouble shoot on my own, with no worries about the Software Locking me out for something simple like disconnecting a Battery..... Thanks FM. Honestly If it goes again, put a Vesc in it, you won't be disapointed. I took the time to add slack to all of my cables, just so this doesn't happen again. I ditched the Crappy Motor Plug Entirely and opted for a Cable Gland instead, as it is way more reliable. The Fix was about £700 ish all in with buying all the tools needed to do the swap, but I have a fully working board again now and I couldn't be happier. It would solve your WTF Levelling issues as well, seeing as you configure the IMU yourself, you can have any rails you want.
I never thought of that regarding the WTFs. Mine seemed to reach just fine on both Standard WTFs and S&Ds, but I wouldn't rule it out as to contributing in the slightest of manners. I'm glad we have options though, and I'm going to start paying more attention to VESC from here on out.
I'm not blaming the TFL Rails, it's just something I noticed on my setup. In my opinion FM shouldn't have cut costs by making a cable barely long enough for even their stock rails. All of that tugging on the cable can't be good for the connector's longevity, plus everyone knows a little bit of slack on a cable is a good thing. For a premium product, is cutting the cost of a few extra mm of wire really worth all the repairs having to be done on these boards now. I have a 4+ year old XR which is still going strong, and I bet thats because all of the cables had plenty of Slack on them from the Factory. Yeah it's good we have Vesc as an option, I'm glad I've done it to my GT, and if the XR ever dies, i'll put a Vesc in that too. I've just ordered a broken Pint to put a Vesc into as well. Vesc is a rabbit hole, once you start it's hard to stop, you've been warned! 🤣
I got a concussion because the board cut out going 14mph. FM says their boards don't cut out, but there's plenty of proof that they can pretty easily. They should provide a free fix for the GT motor plug, but they won't.
Sorry to hear that. Before all this happened, I got a sudden power drop while accelerating up to top speed with a fresh battery. Nose dropped and dragged for a second, but thankfully I was on a smooth street, while going in a straight line. I managed to ride it out until I felt the motor re-engage...turned around and went straight home that morning. A week later I found the dirty plug during a tire change and put 2 and 2 together that this was the cause. I thought I cleaned it good enough...but I was wrong.
@@ThatsGinterEV I'm glad you were able to ride it out. I was going down a paved walking trail at 14-16mph. Next thing I know I'm in a car being driven home. That was the second concussion and third big accident. I put it up for sale that night. Health and family had to come first. I miss riding the GT, but the bicycle I bought from the sale is alright.
So i am having the same issue. It arched/snapped. I do see tech rails has the whole plug for sale. I was wondering if anyone would be apossed to me splicing a whole new plug on. In theory it should work right?
I'm considering it, especially after trying a few out. Definitely the best bang for the buck IMO. I've just been burned on being an early adopter so much, thus I'm being patient, especially since I know there are some things that are being ironed out. I do wish it was lighter though 🙃
@@ThatsGinterEV yeah I waited as long as I could but went ahead and ordered one a couple weeks ago lol I’m hoping for the best. Atleast I get a few of the v2 things on my order
Hard to diagnose with little info. I'd first check the motor cable, but if that looks fine, carefully open up the controller and look around for anything out of the norm...black marks, loose plugs, popped/loose capacitor.
Hello again. My GT died yet again. Controler fried when the board tipped over. Had to send it again. 360 dollars this time. Not bad but damn. We just keep havin issues. its on the way back now. Edit the same way yours died mine died. thats crazy. same time we broke our boards the same way. again
Damn, sorry to hear. Techrails sells a replacement motor cable (you may also need the controller end too if that fried). I personally managed to do a repair with it, but resoldering straight to the board inside the motor was a bit tricky.
Yea...It was doing great!! ...and then I decided to make another video after a long break and it breaks again. I feel like it's just showing off now...
Well that's one way to save yourself $700. I do wonder though, did you consider getting a plug from a broken GT motor from someone else and resoldering all the cables instead?
Ya, I couldn't find any that cheap. But also, I'd need a new controller plug as well since both sides fried. So trying to find both wouldn't have been easy or cheap.
I forgot to mention, that aside from the costly bill I'd get from FM, I'd have to give up my WTF Steep & Deep rails as I'm sure the controller would get replaced/updated to Haptic Buzz kill firmware. The rail angle is too steep to level with Custom Shaping 3.0, and I know it doesn't behave the same going in reverse. I much prefer having the board perfectly level in both directions, and not require it get up to speed before it starts leveling.
I have been on VESC so long I forget about this issue. FM knows angled rails are a thing and they could easily add a calibrate button or offset setting. It's probably some stupid liability thing.
wait for our GT controller replacement, it would allow you to have 200% more power and works perfectly with WTF rails, GT is kinda shit without a WTF rail to be honest, I constantly twist my outer side ankle riding stock GT, I just miss that tilt.
Another great example of why Right To Repair is so important! Thanks for sharing, Steve! Glad you're back up and running again. 🤙🏼⚡🛠
Certainly is! And thanks for the content you make to help out PEVers everywhere!! 🤙🏼
@@ThatsGinterEV Doing what I can! 🖤
Adding the step to checking the motor plug for all my troubleshooting advice when people complain about getting tossed or power loss.
Good info Steve. Thanks again.
Certainly. It's definitely part of my routine now as well. Way too often I have hear ppl complain about nose dropping on them, and most the time I hear people to check the footpad sensor (which you should still do!) - but I don't hear people suggest to check the motor cable plug.
I've been following your videos for a while but I missed this one. This was actually huge. Thanks for the PSA. I am already very anal about loading up on dielectric grease but I never even thought to make sure my connectors are clean before plugging in.
Glad you are back on the wheel! I get to watch you ride all winter. Too much snow up here. Well I do use it in the winter a little..... I use my GT to take the garbage can up to the end of the driveway every week. but sadly no good rides till spring.
Hehe, yea, we do our hibernating in the Summer here. Actually, I try to plan a few trips out to Cali to escape the heat and always drive so I can bring the boards. But ya, e do get a lot of snowbirds here in the winter, so if you are feeling desperate...the trails out here will be waiting!
There's got to be some lemon law 😅
Really impressed with your creativity on this solution!
Happened to my GT too, last week. Coincidental timing? I ended up paying the $781.
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Heck yeah, so glad you were able to repair your motor cable! The soldering looks great and that plug looks way better than the stock. Good job Mr. Ginter and a awesome video. Float on brother ✊
Mucho thx Jay!!
Awesome work, glad you were able to revive her 🎉🤙😊
Thank you for the insight! Hate the feeling of not being able to ride because of something so silly. 😭
The Right to Repair vibes are flowing in this video! As a VESC guy I love being the one in full control of my board. I love seeing repairs that stick it to FM even more.
My board cut out, i feel and got some nasty abrasians and smacked the back on of my hwad on the cement. My saving grace was my full faced helmet!
Board makes a weird clicky/beeping sound and as you said "loses power" or feels weaker despite having a full battery. Imm gonna take a look a the motor plug tomorrow and tru to clean it out.
Wow! what a fix! great job dude
Yup just had the exact same thing happen on me, rode my badgered GT with motor retention clip in the rain and next thing I know one of the phase wire pins is fried. I’m planning on vescing my GT and completely getting rid of the motor plug and using cable gland instead. Can run beefy bullet connectors to handle high amp draw, and when it comes to waterproofing, the best connector is no connector
Sorry to hear that. I'm probably going to do the same if it breaks for the 6th time... Just make sure you have some way to disconnect the motor or tire changes will be more work!
@@ThatsGinterEV true true, luckily the gt box can be opened without removing the controller from the rail, so only really adds a few more screws to get inside the controller, + unplugging 4 wires to do a tire change
Ride safe out there 😊
Similar thing happened to me, My board is set up basically the same with WTF Rails. The stock Cable is just a fraction too short in most GT's and when you put WTF's on the board the cable is way too short to make a proper connection. My issue was with a Hall Sensor, not the Phase Wires. I considered doing a bypass like you have, but in the end I went with Vesc option. This was due to Shipping a board back to FM from the UK was more expensive than me just buying a New GT. I just wanted a board I could Trouble shoot on my own, with no worries about the Software Locking me out for something simple like disconnecting a Battery..... Thanks FM. Honestly If it goes again, put a Vesc in it, you won't be disapointed. I took the time to add slack to all of my cables, just so this doesn't happen again. I ditched the Crappy Motor Plug Entirely and opted for a Cable Gland instead, as it is way more reliable. The Fix was about £700 ish all in with buying all the tools needed to do the swap, but I have a fully working board again now and I couldn't be happier. It would solve your WTF Levelling issues as well, seeing as you configure the IMU yourself, you can have any rails you want.
I never thought of that regarding the WTFs. Mine seemed to reach just fine on both Standard WTFs and S&Ds, but I wouldn't rule it out as to contributing in the slightest of manners. I'm glad we have options though, and I'm going to start paying more attention to VESC from here on out.
I'm not blaming the TFL Rails, it's just something I noticed on my setup. In my opinion FM shouldn't have cut costs by making a cable barely long enough for even their stock rails. All of that tugging on the cable can't be good for the connector's longevity, plus everyone knows a little bit of slack on a cable is a good thing. For a premium product, is cutting the cost of a few extra mm of wire really worth all the repairs having to be done on these boards now. I have a 4+ year old XR which is still going strong, and I bet thats because all of the cables had plenty of Slack on them from the Factory. Yeah it's good we have Vesc as an option, I'm glad I've done it to my GT, and if the XR ever dies, i'll put a Vesc in that too. I've just ordered a broken Pint to put a Vesc into as well. Vesc is a rabbit hole, once you start it's hard to stop, you've been warned! 🤣
Need to check this. At top speed my board sort of floats up and down on the nose
I just got done riding and I noticed that too
I got a concussion because the board cut out going 14mph. FM says their boards don't cut out, but there's plenty of proof that they can pretty easily. They should provide a free fix for the GT motor plug, but they won't.
Sorry to hear that. Before all this happened, I got a sudden power drop while accelerating up to top speed with a fresh battery. Nose dropped and dragged for a second, but thankfully I was on a smooth street, while going in a straight line. I managed to ride it out until I felt the motor re-engage...turned around and went straight home that morning. A week later I found the dirty plug during a tire change and put 2 and 2 together that this was the cause. I thought I cleaned it good enough...but I was wrong.
@@ThatsGinterEV I'm glad you were able to ride it out. I was going down a paved walking trail at 14-16mph. Next thing I know I'm in a car being driven home. That was the second concussion and third big accident. I put it up for sale that night. Health and family had to come first. I miss riding the GT, but the bicycle I bought from the sale is alright.
So i am having the same issue. It arched/snapped. I do see tech rails has the whole plug for sale. I was wondering if anyone would be apossed to me splicing a whole new plug on. In theory it should work right?
In theory, yes. as long as you didn't fry anything but the plug itself. I actually purchased the tech rails replacement plug and gonna give it a go.
Are you gonna get a FW? I ordered mine cause I’m ready to have an alternative to my GT for this very reason. Atleast you got it fixed bro!
I'm considering it, especially after trying a few out. Definitely the best bang for the buck IMO. I've just been burned on being an early adopter so much, thus I'm being patient, especially since I know there are some things that are being ironed out. I do wish it was lighter though 🙃
@@ThatsGinterEV yeah I waited as long as I could but went ahead and ordered one a couple weeks ago lol I’m hoping for the best. Atleast I get a few of the v2 things on my order
Bro can you help me my gt controller I think something burn I’m living in Kuwait please help me
Hard to diagnose with little info. I'd first check the motor cable, but if that looks fine, carefully open up the controller and look around for anything out of the norm...black marks, loose plugs, popped/loose capacitor.
That’s an $800 repair bill from FM.
Hello again. My GT died yet again. Controler fried when the board tipped over. Had to send it again. 360 dollars this time. Not bad but damn. We just keep havin issues. its on the way back now. Edit the same way yours died mine died. thats crazy. same time we broke our boards the same way. again
Got the same problem today smh
Damn, sorry to hear. Techrails sells a replacement motor cable (you may also need the controller end too if that fried). I personally managed to do a repair with it, but resoldering straight to the board inside the motor was a bit tricky.
Dang, I lost count of how many times that GT has konked out now…it just ain’t right my dude 😕
Yea...It was doing great!! ...and then I decided to make another video after a long break and it breaks again. I feel like it's just showing off now...
Well that's one way to save yourself $700. I do wonder though, did you consider getting a plug from a broken GT motor from someone else and resoldering all the cables instead?
Ya, I couldn't find any that cheap. But also, I'd need a new controller plug as well since both sides fried. So trying to find both wouldn't have been easy or cheap.
@@ThatsGinterEV Ohhh, you're correct. Anyways kudos man! Nice repair.