It was? Honestly didnt recall but theres so much lore in this game its easy to miss, mind letting me know where it was mentioned? Would love to see if i missed some crucial detail I could expand on
@@Maevix3142 if you look at the level up items you get from azdaya that mentions the dragon king, people probably thought it was azdaya at the time but what if the dragon king died right where azdaya formed? It'd also explain why azdaya can use multiple elements at once, the dragon king could probably use all of them.
That is interesting, the initial theory with azdaha was that he was one of the original seven sovereigns (geo) but I never really considered that maybe he was the dragon king given he can absorb all these different elements. That said though, if Azdaha really is the dragon king, that would mean that zhongli alone was sufficient to beat him and seal him which might make his involvement in any future story less likely
@@Maevix3142 Azdaha could have formed simply from the remnants of the dragon king, and not equal to it's old power. It did say zhongli had to give Azdaha eyes because it had none. Zhongli himself probably had no idea that azdaha formed from the dragon king's remnants since it was long before he even existed
I'm a bit conflicted about thhe forbidden knowledge being abyss power. The FK was purge at the end of Sumeru's archon quest but as far as we know abyssal energy and monsters are still around so it would be kind of contradictory. Also even if both of them are refered to as dangerous powers or power of darkness and such, As far as I remember they were never used to refered as each other (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Thats another interesting point that just makes me think FK and abyssal energy are two different things and why FK seems more similar to honkai energy than anything else
@@Maevix3142 yeah that an interesting point to look at, since it's ''knowledge that can't be understand'' by the being of this World. Apep herself say that she didn't have energy left to ''analyze'' it. Weird way to phrase it in my opinion xD
@@Maevix3142 My opinion is that they are different things, forbidden knowledge is like a weapon from outside the world, abyss seems to be just another sort of energy. It's interesting too that pari use kharvena to cleanse both F.Knowledge and abyssal power though. They came from amrita which was from the remains of the previous hydro archon.
Simurgh was formed by rhukkadevata from the remains of the archon , given rhuk's great knowledge back then it's not suprising she found a way to fight both things at once. She gave nearly all her knowledge to cleanse king deshret though to put an end to the forbidden knowledge before realising that she herself then became contaminated by it.
On a side note it's interesting that the remains of the hydro archon didnt seem to cause tataragami like orobashi did when he perished but we're not 100% that didnt happen, rhukkadevata may just have known a way to stop that particular contamination.
I have been thinking that the Honkai would be involved since just before or after we got the sun and moon book. Dvalin appears for only a moment in a computer monitor in Honkai Impact. I don't like the UI and game play in Honkai Impact. But I have played some of it. Also have followed the story other ways and VIA manga. Spoiler for Flame Chaser info (I think) from Honkai Impact: I know a character named Su (if memory serves- forgive me if I am misspelling it) looked into other worlds connected to theirs, VIA the Imaginary Tree that houses the all the diferent worlds in their own seprate universe (or galaxy?) and he had been looking for a world untouched by the honkai. He said he found "none that were untouched" by it. Teyvat is confirmed by Hoyo to be on the same imaginary tree system (diferent from Irmensul, I think) as Honkai Impact and now Honkai Star Rail. All are on the imaginary tree from H.I. and every world there should be affected by the honkai. The honkai constantly is attacking the imaginary tree itself. So, if he did not find a world that was unaffected, then what/where is the Honkai in Genshin? My guess has always been the forbidden knowledge. I thought it had to be here somewhere before we got that book (namely: I thought the erosion that Zhongli mentioned and the corruption that affected Xiao's Karma was connected- still think that). Then when I learned about Su stating he saw no world safe from it, and knowing Teyvat is in the same tree system, then all of the info we got at the start of entering Sumeru, I was more convinced of it. The reason the forbidden knowledge is FORBIDDEN is LIKELY because the PO (who may or may not be another Flame Chaser like Su (I THINK I remember that he was a Flame Chaser). A young girl who had Honkai genes fused into her body- named Griseo) is desperately trying to keep it from infecting this world. You MIGHT want to look into Honkai Impact's "Project Ark" and "Project Stigma" which Griseo would be sent away, with and is part of (from what I understood) respectively. Those along with "Project Valuka" (sp?) were humanities attempts of ridding themselves of the Honkai, for good. Ark went missing and they lost contact with Griseo. Since "Teyvat" means "Ark" I thought they might be connected. I think that was before or just after we got to Inazuma, that I started wondering that.
Thanks so much for providing some context and lore from HI, I never played it so theres a lot i might miss. The fact that you mentioned that there are no worlds that are untouched by it implies that it is in teyvat as well and the idea that teyvat might be an attempt at creating a world without its influence (with the whole ARK thing) may explain why theres mentions of teyvat being different from the rest of the universes in the honkai (or rather hoyoverse) universe in general. Now if teyvat has been touched by honkai energy, then where is it right? Recently ive been kinda thinking about the fact that since inazuma, weve had quests that require us to cleanse collected corruption or something similar. In Inazuma we had to clear away the corruption found under the main temple and in sumeru we had to do that same thing again with the most recent story quest. Even in liyue, you had the whole sealing of the chasm thing (though that might be more related to the abyss monsters). We also see a lot of areas populated with the divine nails (sumeru, chasm, dragonspine) that was said to be used by the PO to fix the world after their fight with the second who came. So what if, initially the PO was the one trying to prevent teyvat/ark from being influenced and the second who came was someone empowered by honkai. After the fought the divine nails were distributed and acted as a way to extract honkai energy (to fix the world similar to what apep mentions) and later on each region had its own filtration system, perhaps these could be solutions tested and employed by PO to ensure. Now ill admit, this is a pretty outlandish idea but i still thought it was interesting and given the additional context you shared makes me wonder about it even more
Why do people say Apep is large? Is it solely because of that hack image? We don't get any idea of scale but se do see the size of the tunnel that presumably is used by Apep near to the new weekly boss domain and it's big but not all that big.
Tbh, there really isnt any indication of it, apep just seemed huge to me seeing it in the sandstorm. A funnier answer would be the fact they had to use a tunnel instead of show it in its full glory 😂
Maybe abyssal energy and forbidden knowledge are not one in the same, maybe abyssal energy is a remnant left behind from a different descender, there are 3 we know so far the traveler, the primoridal one and the heavenly principle, and the last probly came from the descender. Maybe abyssal energy came from the 4th descender from a bygone time. When things dont seem to make sense thats cuz there probably a third party being left out that has not been introduced
Thats kinda what i suspect as well, they may be two different things and the dragon king received powers from a different source likely external to teyvat.
I'm not sure Nahida's fuzzy memory about the promise and the Fire seed was due to Irminsul and Rukkhadevata. It had nothing to do with Rukkhadevata. It was because of the removal of Forbidden Knowledge. Now granted, the Irminsul had a lot to do with removal of Forbidden Knowledge, but I don't think that's what you meant. It's not like Nahida's memory is full of fuzziness on all sorts of things and this happened to be one.
Im curious whether the fuzzyness is just her way of explaining a lapse in her memory because she just found something in her storage that she cant recall the use for. Seeing as how she tends to keep detailed records of everything i can see how that might bother her and just chalks the unexplained to fuzzy memory. Though that being said I cant imagine why she wont remember it as after irminsul update 2.0 didnt she technically assume the position of rukkhadevata.. maybe irminsul didnt finish patching her yet? Honestly no idea about this
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I believe the dragon king was mentioned before but not by its name
It was? Honestly didnt recall but theres so much lore in this game its easy to miss, mind letting me know where it was mentioned? Would love to see if i missed some crucial detail I could expand on
@@Maevix3142 if you look at the level up items you get from azdaya that mentions the dragon king, people probably thought it was azdaya at the time but what if the dragon king died right where azdaya formed? It'd also explain why azdaya can use multiple elements at once, the dragon king could probably use all of them.
That is interesting, the initial theory with azdaha was that he was one of the original seven sovereigns (geo) but I never really considered that maybe he was the dragon king given he can absorb all these different elements. That said though, if Azdaha really is the dragon king, that would mean that zhongli alone was sufficient to beat him and seal him which might make his involvement in any future story less likely
@@Maevix3142 Azdaha could have formed simply from the remnants of the dragon king, and not equal to it's old power. It did say zhongli had to give Azdaha eyes because it had none. Zhongli himself probably had no idea that azdaha formed from the dragon king's remnants since it was long before he even existed
I'm a bit conflicted about thhe forbidden knowledge being abyss power. The FK was purge at the end of Sumeru's archon quest but as far as we know abyssal energy and monsters are still around so it would be kind of contradictory. Also even if both of them are refered to as dangerous powers or power of darkness and such, As far as I remember they were never used to refered as each other (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Thats another interesting point that just makes me think FK and abyssal energy are two different things and why FK seems more similar to honkai energy than anything else
@@Maevix3142 yeah that an interesting point to look at, since it's ''knowledge that can't be understand'' by the being of this World. Apep herself say that she didn't have energy left to ''analyze'' it. Weird way to phrase it in my opinion xD
@@Maevix3142 My opinion is that they are different things, forbidden knowledge is like a weapon from outside the world, abyss seems to be just another sort of energy. It's interesting too that pari use kharvena to cleanse both F.Knowledge and abyssal power though. They came from amrita which was from the remains of the previous hydro archon.
Simurgh was formed by rhukkadevata from the remains of the archon , given rhuk's great knowledge back then it's not suprising she found a way to fight both things at once. She gave nearly all her knowledge to cleanse king deshret though to put an end to the forbidden knowledge before realising that she herself then became contaminated by it.
On a side note it's interesting that the remains of the hydro archon didnt seem to cause tataragami like orobashi did when he perished but we're not 100% that didnt happen, rhukkadevata may just have known a way to stop that particular contamination.
I have been thinking that the Honkai would be involved since just before or after we got the sun and moon book.
Dvalin appears for only a moment in a computer monitor in Honkai Impact.
I don't like the UI and game play in Honkai Impact.
But I have played some of it.
Also have followed the story other ways and VIA manga.
Spoiler for Flame Chaser info (I think) from Honkai Impact:
I know a character named Su (if memory serves- forgive me if I am misspelling it) looked into other worlds connected to theirs, VIA the Imaginary Tree that houses the all the diferent worlds in their own seprate universe (or galaxy?) and he had been looking for a world untouched by the honkai.
He said he found "none that were untouched" by it.
Teyvat is confirmed by Hoyo to be on the same imaginary tree system (diferent from Irmensul, I think) as Honkai Impact and now Honkai Star Rail.
All are on the imaginary tree from H.I. and every world there should be affected by the honkai. The honkai constantly is attacking the imaginary tree itself.
So, if he did not find a world that was unaffected, then what/where is the Honkai in Genshin?
My guess has always been the forbidden knowledge.
I thought it had to be here somewhere before we got that book (namely: I thought the erosion that Zhongli mentioned and the corruption that affected Xiao's Karma was connected- still think that).
Then when I learned about Su stating he saw no world safe from it, and knowing Teyvat is in the same tree system, then all of the info we got at the start of entering Sumeru, I was more convinced of it.
The reason the forbidden knowledge is FORBIDDEN is LIKELY because the PO (who may or may not be another Flame Chaser like Su (I THINK I remember that he was a Flame Chaser). A young girl who had Honkai genes fused into her body- named Griseo) is desperately trying to keep it from infecting this world.
You MIGHT want to look into Honkai Impact's "Project Ark" and "Project Stigma" which Griseo would be sent away, with and is part of (from what I understood) respectively.
Those along with "Project Valuka" (sp?) were humanities attempts of ridding themselves of the Honkai, for good.
Ark went missing and they lost contact with Griseo.
Since "Teyvat" means "Ark" I thought they might be connected.
I think that was before or just after we got to Inazuma, that I started wondering that.
Thanks so much for providing some context and lore from HI, I never played it so theres a lot i might miss. The fact that you mentioned that there are no worlds that are untouched by it implies that it is in teyvat as well and the idea that teyvat might be an attempt at creating a world without its influence (with the whole ARK thing) may explain why theres mentions of teyvat being different from the rest of the universes in the honkai (or rather hoyoverse) universe in general.
Now if teyvat has been touched by honkai energy, then where is it right? Recently ive been kinda thinking about the fact that since inazuma, weve had quests that require us to cleanse collected corruption or something similar. In Inazuma we had to clear away the corruption found under the main temple and in sumeru we had to do that same thing again with the most recent story quest. Even in liyue, you had the whole sealing of the chasm thing (though that might be more related to the abyss monsters). We also see a lot of areas populated with the divine nails (sumeru, chasm, dragonspine) that was said to be used by the PO to fix the world after their fight with the second who came.
So what if, initially the PO was the one trying to prevent teyvat/ark from being influenced and the second who came was someone empowered by honkai. After the fought the divine nails were distributed and acted as a way to extract honkai energy (to fix the world similar to what apep mentions) and later on each region had its own filtration system, perhaps these could be solutions tested and employed by PO to ensure. Now ill admit, this is a pretty outlandish idea but i still thought it was interesting and given the additional context you shared makes me wonder about it even more
Why do people say Apep is large? Is it solely because of that hack image? We don't get any idea of scale but se do see the size of the tunnel that presumably is used by Apep near to the new weekly boss domain and it's big but not all that big.
Tbh, there really isnt any indication of it, apep just seemed huge to me seeing it in the sandstorm. A funnier answer would be the fact they had to use a tunnel instead of show it in its full glory 😂
Maybe abyssal energy and forbidden knowledge are not one in the same, maybe abyssal energy is a remnant left behind from a different descender, there are 3 we know so far the traveler, the primoridal one and the heavenly principle, and the last probly came from the descender. Maybe abyssal energy came from the 4th descender from a bygone time. When things dont seem to make sense thats cuz there probably a third party being left out that has not been introduced
Thats kinda what i suspect as well, they may be two different things and the dragon king received powers from a different source likely external to teyvat.
I'm not sure Nahida's fuzzy memory about the promise and the Fire seed was due to Irminsul and Rukkhadevata. It had nothing to do with Rukkhadevata. It was because of the removal of Forbidden Knowledge. Now granted, the Irminsul had a lot to do with removal of Forbidden Knowledge, but I don't think that's what you meant. It's not like Nahida's memory is full of fuzziness on all sorts of things and this happened to be one.
Im curious whether the fuzzyness is just her way of explaining a lapse in her memory because she just found something in her storage that she cant recall the use for. Seeing as how she tends to keep detailed records of everything i can see how that might bother her and just chalks the unexplained to fuzzy memory. Though that being said I cant imagine why she wont remember it as after irminsul update 2.0 didnt she technically assume the position of rukkhadevata.. maybe irminsul didnt finish patching her yet? Honestly no idea about this