There are so many countless men who do "Partials" that are bigger and have better physiques...I can do different pushup variations and dips and I am sore for days...doing "Partial" reps...Exactly the same with pullups...different variations and doing "Partial" reps and the entirety of my back...biceps...forearms and abs are extremely sore for day's...You have to know how your body works not how someone else's body works...If your shoulders feel painful going chest to floor on pushups then shorten your range of motion that is common sense...If when performing Parallel bar dips your shoulders are in pain when going to a certain depth then do not go that low...It comes down to everyone's unique D.N.A...Where your muscle insertions and origins are...No one seems to talk about these range of motion factors...Take the shoulder joint how it is designed...It is not designed to lower or push/press any loads of significance past a 90 degree angle...So why load up a significant weight and lower that weight below a 90 degree angle where the shoulder joint is put in its most weakest position making the probability extremely high for a shoulder injury.
Amen to that. When I do dips on parallel bars I don't go down all the way otherwise my shoulder joints hurt. Did some mobility exercises but still I can't go all the way down. So I just keep doing within a range of motion that won't mess up my joints.
Jay cutler told me that full range of motion is not the best way to build muscle. He also has videos saying it. I changed my workout after talking to him and stopped locking out. I got better pumps and built more muscle. So I have to disagree
Full range is to build strength to control the wt working out without a spotter which is almost always the case for me. Locking out in bench gives you a second to recover to do another rep in many cases. Half reps near lockout for bench appears to be valuable to get introduced to the next 10lb wt increase level where you would get stuck starting out trying a full ROM. No one has proven what is the best way to build muscle, what lifters do is a ROM that is based on the full ROM where their weak point is to work on that and get more full ROM reps.
Right. Per HoH recent research suggests that partial reps while the muscle is on stretch produces greater results than FRoM. A game changer for this 62 year old who can no longer do full range due to joint wear and tear. Had I known about this a couple decades ago when I started I’d be healthier for sure. But then again my ego might have me doing what seemed superior. Regardless, this finding has not only allowed me to continue lifting but continue to get results. Worth checking out and implementing.
Obviously you will lift less reps and or weight when doing full ROM, even less when you control the eccentric, hey dude more room for growth and less chance of injury
They seem to miss the point with all their generic "yes, there are times to use PROM", but a specific case is introduction to a higher weight, such as bench press. Unracking and half lowering the weight to get used to it has value. Then as you gain strength, the range can be increased.
There is no practical reason to ever do full range lifts! You dont need them for muscle development as proven time and time again but there is also no carryover to everyday strength. Nobody ever uses full range in anything done in the outside world. Any physical activity you do you use partial range. And its absolutely untrue that it aids in flexibility! Any weight training effects flexibility in a negative way. That doesn't mean you cant be flexible and lift but you are definitely taking one step back to move one step forward
Range of motion varies from person to person... powerlifter use the shortest range of motion... the bar during the bench press only moves 3 inches... skinny bodybuilders the bar travels 3 ft during a bench press!
It is. The question shouldn't be which is better. It's "what are you looking for?" If you're a strongman or an Olympic lifter, you want full range of motion. If you're into bodybuilding, then you'd want partials. Sergio Olivia Sr. NEVER did full range of motion. If you look at his workouts, it was all partials. This topic is always misleading. Bodybuilding isn't function and the others, strongman etc... is function. They are very different from each other and require different sets of training.
These dudes look like nothing compared to the guys in the books and it look like they still take gear or was on some type of gear at one time. So what is it the pros doing partials or is it the pros taken gear. The pros do partials. So who should we follow the pros or you guys.
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They give you the answer first, then explain with a full breakout. New Fan of this
Same. Instant subbed, their channel is good as a newbie
And years later thanks to multiple studies we find out that lengthened partials are equal to full ROM
There are so many countless men who do "Partials" that are bigger and have better physiques...I can do different pushup variations and dips and I am sore for days...doing "Partial" reps...Exactly the same with pullups...different variations and doing "Partial" reps and the entirety of my back...biceps...forearms and abs are extremely sore for day's...You have to know how your body works not how someone else's body works...If your shoulders feel painful going chest to floor on pushups then shorten your range of motion that is common sense...If when performing Parallel bar dips your shoulders are in pain when going to a certain depth then do not go that low...It comes down to everyone's unique D.N.A...Where your muscle insertions and origins are...No one seems to talk about these range of motion factors...Take the shoulder joint how it is designed...It is not designed to lower or push/press any loads of significance past a 90 degree angle...So why load up a significant weight and lower that weight below a 90 degree angle where the shoulder joint is put in its most weakest position making the probability extremely high for a shoulder injury.
Amen to that. When I do dips on parallel bars I don't go down all the way otherwise my shoulder joints hurt. Did some mobility exercises but still I can't go all the way down. So I just keep doing within a range of motion that won't mess up my joints.
Makes total sense...... and I also the prison workout guys and city park/body weight calisthenic guys are also HUGE all doing partial reps
@@audriusbaranauskas6227absolutely correct , there is the skeleton & the muscle anatomy. When you lock out the joints muscle stimulus is reduced .
6 inches of strength was my nickname in college
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Jay cutler told me that full range of motion is not the best way to build muscle. He also has videos saying it. I changed my workout after talking to him and stopped locking out. I got better pumps and built more muscle. So I have to disagree
Full range is to build strength to control the wt working out without a spotter which is almost always the case for me. Locking out in bench gives you a second to recover to do another rep in many cases. Half reps near lockout for bench appears to be valuable to get introduced to the next 10lb wt increase level where you would get stuck starting out trying a full ROM. No one has proven what is the best way to build muscle, what lifters do is a ROM that is based on the full ROM where their weak point is to work on that and get more full ROM reps.
That Thomas Sowell t-shirt is awesome 👌
According to House of Hypertrophy, there is evidence to suggest that partials increase growth more effectively.
Of course because you're flooding the muscle with blood
Right. Per HoH recent research suggests that partial reps while the muscle is on stretch produces greater results than FRoM. A game changer for this 62 year old who can no longer do full range due to joint wear and tear. Had I known about this a couple decades ago when I started I’d be healthier for sure. But then again my ego might have me doing what seemed superior. Regardless, this finding has not only allowed me to continue lifting but continue to get results. Worth checking out and implementing.
For shoulders partial reps for side delts
I started full ROM and my weight has decreased. Realizing I may have been focusing more on weight and ego…gotta learn even tho it sucks lol
Ego lifting is for cowards
Obviously you will lift less reps and or weight when doing full ROM, even less when you control the eccentric, hey dude more room for growth and less chance of injury
The range of motion difference between a bodybuilder and a weightlifter... most people cannot differentiate between bodybuilding and weightlifting!
They both have there place
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I got that same Thomas Sowell shirt
This is great, super helpful. Thank you gentlemen!!
Range of motion is determined by the stretch position versus the lockout position!
Why
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Exactly...My man.
Holly shit I’ve been working out wrong this whole time. Thanks for this tip the partial reps makes sense to me.
Lots of swole of prison inmates doing prisoner push-ups do partial reps. And they’re swole
They seem to miss the point with all their generic "yes, there are times to use PROM", but a specific case is introduction to a higher weight, such as bench press. Unracking and half lowering the weight to get used to it has value. Then as you gain strength, the range can be increased.
These guys are all in shape but none of their bodies are head turning
Only half reppers would dislike this. Lmao
most half reppers also have chicken legs
@@AgusSpeicysYou would know
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There is no practical reason to ever do full range lifts! You dont need them for muscle development as proven time and time again but there is also no carryover to everyday strength. Nobody ever uses full range in anything done in the outside world. Any physical activity you do you use partial range.
And its absolutely untrue that it aids in flexibility! Any weight training effects flexibility in a negative way. That doesn't mean you cant be flexible and lift but you are definitely taking one step back to move one step forward
Is that Thomas Sowell 🧐
But bodybuilding is not about what you can and can not move but how you look.
half reps for strength.
full reps for fluff
Range of motion varies from person to person... powerlifter use the shortest range of motion... the bar during the bench press only moves 3 inches... skinny bodybuilders the bar travels 3 ft during a bench press!
Prison reps win
Ronnie Colman would disagree
But the tension in FullROM is bye far inferior than tension in partials.
It is. The question shouldn't be which is better. It's "what are you looking for?" If you're a strongman or an Olympic lifter, you want full range of motion. If you're into bodybuilding, then you'd want partials. Sergio Olivia Sr. NEVER did full range of motion. If you look at his workouts, it was all partials. This topic is always misleading. Bodybuilding isn't function and the others, strongman etc... is function. They are very different from each other and require different sets of training.
@@pikkon899 You get bigger muscles you should be able to lift more.
Train the muscle, not the joints!! Mountain!
Loooove supersets. Best way to build muscle, in my opinion.
Not true, look at most IFBB pros, Jay cutler, Dorian, Ronnie ... all did partials, FROM put too much strain on joints !
Sounds like an adaptation for more time under tension presuming that leads to more muscle strength.
Dorian never did partials
I mean why listen none of them are jacked lol
These dudes look like nothing compared to the guys in the books and it look like they still take gear or was on some type of gear at one time. So what is it the pros doing partials or is it the pros taken gear. The pros do partials. So who should we follow the pros or you guys.
ALLWAYS full range
First!
Damn you win
I’m 38 two years later.
"12 inches of strength"? Huh?🙄