19:55 A cool trick from Dark: he purposefully burrows not all of his drones to make Cure think that's all of them and prevent him from scanning. And it works!
Watching professional games of TvZ is like watching an unstoppable force meeting an unmovable object. Terran defends so well that Zergs can’t attack and Zergs have so many bases that Terrans don’t dare move out.
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this was a really exciting match of TvZ! Thanks for casting!!! Much love to you, lowko. Wish there would be some Viewer Matches again. Or a full playlist with all of them to grind :D
@@maartentops1703 They make clearing creep way easier, protect against infestors, ABMissile entire packs of BroodLords, and exchange turrets for broodlings.
That makes zero sense. Ravens had zero utility during this game. Not sure we even watched the same game. I guess you could use turrets to absorb damage from broodlings. Anti Armor missile doesn't make much sense when you can't get close enough to do any damage. This is probably the only time I've ever been annoyed by a cheap win in a professional game. Obviously, not every zerg build ends with ~30 broodlords. The fact that the only way Dark knew he could win was by spamming a free unit that has no cooldown. A unit that can run the entire width of the screen and then keep creating more on top of those with zero risk is kind of sad. I believe Harstem said it best, rough paraphrasing, "Anything that spawns free units should be taken out of the game." This is basically like watching swarm hosts spawn locusts, they fly across the screen, then those locusts spawn more locusts, which spawn more locusts, etc.
Fun fact: I used the "brood lord micro" trick when first playing the heart of the swarm campaign. Though it was the most useless thing ever. Now look at it :)
Winter and Rushi are also great commenters, Lagh'n'gamez if you're into ai and ai vs ai matches and I like stuff like Harstem for gameplay, too but yeah, Lowko's energy is unique and beautiful!
"A turtle's shell eventually becomes it's tomb." Loved to see Terran getting strangled on their own game. Beautiful play by Dark, managed to make trades horribly inefficient for the terran
@@elgar7252 it might be the only thing, but i dont see a problem there for terran players/game balance. they do have the counter and the counter is pretty strong as well
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Lowko please post more SC2 casts than other things. Your casting is absolutely amazing and I miss it everyday when you post something else instead like gameplay or highlights etc. You are doing a wonderful job here, and I reckon other stuff makes you more a youtuber; however as far as I regard, you are the best caster in the world right now, most fun to watch, most fun to get educated (even when the audience knows so little), and frankly I don't want to spoil good games on other people's casting if you have it on your channel. Keep up your brilliant work mate. I hope this thing goes professional on you, and you make your living not only out of youtube but a lot of professional casting as well!
This was such a weird game. I feel like it must've been a practice match. The supply difference at 24:30 after that one engagement was absolutely massive and Dark has to have realized that, yet he didn't just fly his broods across the map and win. I couldn't believe it when I looked at the time left and saw that there was 20 minutes more to go.
LOL. Around 14:10 : "When terran players close their eyes at night, that is what they dream off" Might actually be true. That is why watching rather than playing myself is actually better!
So painful to watch Cure slowly dying for the last 15 minutes while the broods shoot unlimited free units. He couldn't even move forward without getting blanketed by fungal and blinding cloud. Well played by Dark.
@@albert3321 rly? did u remember 2019 with infested terrans when terran lost games in endgame permanently. How about 2020-2021, when all zergs started lurker play style and terrans could win only with anal def
Everybody hates on terrans but Zerg has been dominant for awhile. It seems like there is no balancing this game. Tbh there need to be more races. 3 is just mind blowing they still haven’t created another one after all this time. Seems stingy and lazy. Make more races??
I feel like I know the answer (no), but do you think it's worth it for low level players to figure out this Broodlord micro vs turtle-y terrans? I recently played against a Terran that just turtled hard on this same map and it was very difficult to break.
Probably not just because there are so many things involved that you would have to practice that it would probably be more worth it just to work more on fundamental skills like taking good engagements. It’s not just having a lot of broodlords are being able to micro them correctly to make the trick work (which by itself is really micro intensive already), but to actually do damage with it you have to be able to control infestors, vipers, and queens for respreading creep tumors that you kill, requiring 4 separate control groups that you use simultaneously. This is why even Serral has only managed to use this trick sparingly. It requires godlike micro ability. It could be fun to try it out in the unit tester just to see if you can actually pull it off but I don’t see this being a viable strategy for most of us mere mortals.
Same map same problem today with a Terran he made the game 40+ min more than it should have been thanks to those tanks it was fucking difficult to enter but in the end I made it with ultralisk and hydralisk, my only advice against a turtle is *win the map first, conquer every place and be sure he can't do shit to expand, he will die economically before than you*
I mean if you can get to brood lord tech just run zerglings at them to cover for the brood lords. But that stops working eventually. guess it depends on what you mean by low level
I feel like dark should have countered much sooner but wanted to practice late game is my only logical explanation. Cure I think should have continued to push when he was chewing through bases but who knows. There was some wierd stuff in this match and wonder if both of them smoked before it, what was with the flying command centers a few times?
Well the command centres towards the end had little use so I'd imagine it's just a distraction thing (and possibly scouting haha) , like Dark sees a red blip on map checks what's there only to see it's something that's not a threat haha
Would a few battlecruisers be useful in these stalemates? Yamatos seem like they would be more useful than nukes to break stalemates, as they are free and can guarantee a kill on at least something.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. He had a whole 15 minutes to break out with a transition, and trading a few repair resources for the ability to kill a brood seems better than spending 100&100 to just kill tumors and spores. I should count the nukes and the cost of the damage they did. All in all it was a fun game, but more silly than "epic".
Love that zerg finally has a chance against late game Terran. This is basically the only way to win, and only the very top of the zerg can pull it off. So zerg isnt OP - since terran wins 99% of late game. But it is really nice to see that Zerg has a chance, if well micro:ed. Nice video as always Lowko!
Would someone mind telling me what exactly the "creep spread" does for the Zerg? Why is it important for the player to take fights while they're on the creep? Like for example, the queens, why would you want them to be on creep when they fight rather than not? Any help would be appreciated :)
Is it serious question? Well if yes, easy to answer: 1 vision. So you have advantage of range and positioning (like surround or backstabbing). 2 ground unit speed. Zerg units significantly faster on creep, and since most of them are melee it benefits greatly, 3 queens can only transfuse on creep. So high level Zerg can heal damaged units like ultralisks or broods. There is famous video, when one ultra survived whole Terran army, being transfused by like 20 queens. 4 ground units regenerate faster on creep. But it does not matter much during battle
Specifically in regards to taking fights, Zerglings and Banelings have a 1.3× movement speed multiplier when on creep, and Queens are unable to use Transfusion when off creep. The movement speed boost allows Zerglings and Banelings to take fewer hits while closing distance, allowing more of them to reach opposing units. Zerglings have an easier time surrounding small groups of opposing units on creep, preventing them from retreating, and Banelings have an easier time chasing down retreating units on creep (and require faster reaction times when splitting units against them or picking up units to flee from them). Transfusion allows Queens to keep high-value units alive longer in the middle of fights.
1. Vision 2. Queen transfuse only on creep 3. Speed. Melee units get kited against ranged units and zerglings and banelings need to close the gap asap. Creep's bonus move speed (though the bonus may seem small) turns it from a cakewalk for terrans to kite lings and banes to "maru-like micro" to kite lings and banes
I think the other responses covered it pretty well. I would just emphasize just how dangerous it can be for the terran to push onto the creep before clearing it. Since the zerg can see everything and have a speed boost, it is easier to create surrounds and concave set-ups around the terran army. This gives the zerg a lot of time to prepare for defense when terran try to go for a counterattack. So you either have to accept the consequences of fighting on creep, or you have to slow down and take out the creep first(which also requires detection). So it’s a real Catch 22. Creep is strong for sure.
In addition to what the others said, it also prevents non Zerg to build on it. So if you manage to get creep on a potential opponents base location, he needs to get detection to clear it.
Bro terran fights to survive at every stage of the game. Sounds biased to me. Keep it broken! Don’t hot fix. Let Zerg have there moment in the sun! Zerg player? I’ve never played the game I just watch lowko broadcast.
@@northlord804 I played a long time ago, haven't played in years. I generally just root for the underdog, which in any match is the guy not using ghosts. I'm so tired of watching Terran ghosts counter everything except Terran mech, no now that I think of it, nvm they can just nuke slow Terran mech. It's boring af to watch. "And now the Terran player is working on ghost production." Every game
Lol sounds like you are a Zerg player. Every game I see Zerg has advantage. But let them reign for awhile yeah? Who cares you can’t balance this game and it’s completely a joke that there are still only 3 races. No effort at advancement at all. Easy way out keep the same game going for decade plus and add a new unit here and there. Smh
I think you need to show more of these "Terrans just win in the late game against Zerg." You said it yourself, the highest end Zergs don't have a problem, and since 99.9% of my SC2 content comes from you, all I see are Terrans "turtling" only to get ripped apart when they can't actually attack.
@@william_sun As an admittedly biased Terran simp, my statement should not be construed as anything but "agreeing and amplifying" what Lowko said himself. Though I appreciate you going out of your way to look up some examples for me.
Agreed 100%! And wow two games? Lmao how are you serious about that William Sun? I could go find around 50 rn in lowko videos where Zerg destroy. And I’m not biased I’ve never played the game. Looks unfair af.
am i crazy, or are seige tanks and liberators terrible units to produce against brood lords? - time to switch between modes and immobility during siege mode - inflexible targeting area - slow rate of fire and overkill against broodlings - costly build in time and gas Those 2 tanks and 6 libs could have been what, 12 hellbats in terms of supply, in addition to the handful that were already on the ground? Imagine that nuke at 34:10 were immediately followed by a dozen plus stimmed hellbats charging forward, burning a path through spore crawlers and broodlings, focusing micro on splitting against baneling counter attacks. That would punch a hole through the chokepoint for the thors to safely cross and get under the lords. And replacements could be cranked out and sent to the front way quickly. What's the downside?
As a human myself, I'm a bit partial to Terrans, however turtles are the scum of the earth. Also since ghosts are cool I don't want to see them nerfed and I like that there's an existing in-game counter to them.
Why didn't the Zerg go around the top side of the Terran's side and take out his ghost academy or stop him firing nukes? that was the only thing keeping the Terran in the game, the threat of nukes. it may not have been successful, but it would have given the Terran something else to think about.
We've been seeing a lot of this broodlord vs thor stalemate lately...but the zerg always wins. I'd really like to see one of these were the terran wins. Curious how they would do it.
I think Lowko just doesn’t showcase when the Terrans win these stalemates because the best players in the world are still Zergs. Anyone else besides like the top 5 players in the world loses to Terrain late game.
Idk maybe Terran does win every game not at top level but all the ones I see Zerg still has an advantage. They have way more utility than the other races. Does anybody know why this game has been out for so long but no new races? Seems like a cop out when they could really take this game even farther but what do I know.
Agreed, SC2 spellcasters are really too good. It's funny that protoss, the race of "psionics", have the most balanced spellcasters too... though feedback the same issues. But when spells do a lot of damage, they're going to start overshadowing regular units, just like heroes in WC3. The problem, imo, is that infestors and ghosts do instant and stackable damage. Psionic storm not having stackable damage AND doing damage over time makes it at least not broken in the sense that getting 12 of them and good micro wins games. But parasitic bomb (at least you can micro to mitigate the overall damage, it's mostly fine), fungal growth, snipe and EMP having basically guaranteed damage makes them too good. When you can do 30 to 100 damage per click, at 10 clicks per second, that damage potential jumps significantly. Versus vanilla units whose DPS can never be increased via micro. Much like you can't micro storm to higher damage. I hope Stormgate learns from SC2 and makes their spellcasters have some way for the opponent to interact and mitigate the damage or effects with good micro. It makes for more interesting games and moves away from spellcasters becoming too large of a core.
Zerg: ok I'm going to open real agressive, hit when you have very few units, expand all over the map, mine more bases, control several groups of spellcasters and do micro tricks that are new to the game. Terran: one unit defends my early game, then turtle for 40 minutes.
Terrans are just too scared against that kind of play. You don't waddle your troops when the broods come knocking, you place your hellbats on hold position and single target the flappies down with your thors. You need like merely 5 Thors to 1 shot a broodlord, so every single trade will be advantageous if you just keep your thors in place and shoot.
Yeah man it's probably exactly that easy to play against Dark, a world champion. Why dont you teach cure how it's done? You sure do seem to know way more than him.
Did you miss that the Thors just flat out couldn't get close enough to do the one-shotting with how Dark was microing? They couldn't push up, they'd get surrounded and killed. They couldn't fall back, the Broods would continue being micro'd and kill them from behind. It was a no-win situation, and it just took Cure a long while to see that.
@@shadoweddragonfilms4424 You only need around 3 thors to effectively trade. The thors certainly had enough space, but the operator seemed to think that they didn't and was hesitant to shoot and whenever he did finally start shooting they started instantly rekking the brood they were targeting, but at that point the broods were already retreating. When the broods come to your position you always stay and shoot, because you can always get free hits in before they are in range. You never need to "push up" with thors. The broods need to push down.
But then Terran steps forward and gets decimated. It happened every time Terran tried to push. Terran got destroyed and can’t farm like Zerg. So while you might think terrans turtle out of spite it seems like it’s out of necessity.
So ironic because it felt like with the meta it used to be the opposite. Zerg felt like they needed to kill Terran or Protoss before they built up their massive armies. They figured out that Queen march push and then Queens got nerfed. Been a real struggle, but now Dark is showing just how strong this micro trick can be. Wouldn’t be surprised if this really changes the meta
@@mr_clean575 I think this is a return to WoL Infestor Broodlord. Only now with the addition of high micro vipers being able to deal with BCs, Tempests, Vikings, Pheonixes, Thors, ground balls and the broodlord/infestor being able to deal with the scary stuff like ghosts and high templars. It can get pretty annoying though when the late game turns into a sea of photons/turtle terran/spores with both sides trying to pick off value without seeking a decisive engagement. Just not as fun to watch
Remember when swarm hosts made Zerg turtle and drag out games? So they nerfed it to the ground? Guess it was just luck that Blizz stopped updating the game in a state where Terran is always turtling and dragging out games.
Ever think Terran turtles up cause they are trying not to lose? Advance on Zerg late game army get destroyed. Defend against said army gets chipped and poked from so far away you can’t hold ground. Idk if it’s possible to balance this game.
He was kind of in an awkward position with the command center blocking their path, creating a choke on the side. He tries to go in but the fungals really use that choke. I guess he was trying to evacuate the ones he could instead of focusing on trying to snipe. Snipe also gets interrupted by damage so he may not have had time to channel it, especially with the amount of infestors that could keep using fungal growth. Keep in mind that he also just saw the broodlords for the first time ten seconds earlier. I definitely think he could have gotten a few snipes off tho if he was a little quicker
I have never played sc2 but I watch lowko. Tbh the brood lords look broke af regardless if the Terran decides to turtle up. You can’t really say that when Zerg can pretty much put down spine crawlers and do the same thing. Brood lords and other units like them need to be nerfed. The broodlings should at least cost a very small amount of income. Tiny so at least they can’t be used on repeat from miles away. Range from those things literally out ranges ghosts nukes hell even tempest if they could target tempest. Bs to be sure but wah game doesn’t look fair or like it ever has been still fun to watch just hate knowing the outcome of every Zerg game. Zerg wins 90%
My understanding is that they are just far too easily killed to justify their cost. Too expensive to swarm like zerglings, and they will get demolished by the tanks. In this game the only flyers were medivacs and liberators, and Dark would have needed too many hydras to kill the liberators fast enough, and the other things outrange them. His money just ended up being better spent on his broods and infestors.
Clever plays, insane micro.. But.. the fact that you can (theoretically) get infinite value out of broods, since they cost nothing (but, well, apm).. is still a bit stupid... Interceptors cost money!
fortunately for them Dark seems to be the only zerg in the world who actually has the micro abilities to pull it off XD. Just kill Dark before the ultra late game scenario where he has 20+ broods and you're good to go.
Broodlords casting onto their own units then going after your enemy is quite literally one of the biggest bullshit things in SC2. That should never be allowed.
Terran at any point can just snipe the broods. The amount of APM you have to have while doing this broodlord trick is absolutely fucking insane. Any Zerg that can do this deserves to win.
Maybe I need to actually play SC2 to appreciate it... but Terran turtling is like watching paint dry. Aside from Gumi rest of big terran names are doing way too much sheep counting.
All thecomments are from 6 days ago and youtube is lagging even though the notification for video just came what going on Probably not a new video this one but weird is i got notification + youtube massively lagged when i opened videi
This is a Prime example of why Broodlords NEED to be Removed and replaced by Guardians : the free broodlings with the mechanic blocking path and being so OP damage wise compared to timed life !! Also Fungal Growth hitting Air and ground is just madness if you don't believe me watch Lowk's real size units video! That goes for Psy Storm too and EMP from ghost no favorite !
19:55 A cool trick from Dark: he purposefully burrows not all of his drones to make Cure think that's all of them and prevent him from scanning. And it works!
I noticed he actually did the same trick a few times with zerglings too when sending the harassment parties. Really great move.
Watching professional games of TvZ is like watching an unstoppable force meeting an unmovable object. Terran defends so well that Zergs can’t attack and Zergs have so many bases that Terrans don’t dare move out.
This game's cost efficiency was funny. Dark probably lost like 40% more for the first 30 mins and then 80% less for the rest of the game
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Okay then
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this was a really exciting match of TvZ! Thanks for casting!!! Much love to you, lowko.
Wish there would be some Viewer Matches again. Or a full playlist with all of them to grind :D
How to break a turtle Terran in one easy step, lay them on their back...
Amazing game.
Thank you for the cast Lowko
I love Dark's Turtlebreaker move. JUSTICE :)
Too bad a couple Ravens can help evil turtle terrans prevail :(
How would Ravens help against the broodling trick (Darklings?)?
Serral literally spank Terran who tried this stuff, dude is so dominant with both turtling and runbys that Terran is like a scared little kid
@@maartentops1703 They make clearing creep way easier, protect against infestors, ABMissile entire packs of BroodLords, and exchange turrets for broodlings.
That makes zero sense. Ravens had zero utility during this game. Not sure we even watched the same game.
I guess you could use turrets to absorb damage from broodlings. Anti Armor missile doesn't make much sense when you can't get close enough to do any damage.
This is probably the only time I've ever been annoyed by a cheap win in a professional game. Obviously, not every zerg build ends with ~30 broodlords. The fact that the only way Dark knew he could win was by spamming a free unit that has no cooldown. A unit that can run the entire width of the screen and then keep creating more on top of those with zero risk is kind of sad.
I believe Harstem said it best, rough paraphrasing, "Anything that spawns free units should be taken out of the game." This is basically like watching swarm hosts spawn locusts, they fly across the screen, then those locusts spawn more locusts, which spawn more locusts, etc.
@@VashxTSx ur a terran player aren't you, if the darklings weren't there than zvt would remain completely imba in the late game
I could watch Dark chain broodling swarms all day!
"Darks playing with his Broodlings" never thought I would hear that in one sentence lol
"James Bond over here"
*Sings the Jaws theme*
"Look at Dark playing with his own broodlings, can I even broadcast that?"
"What are you doing step brood? Why do you have a camera?"
Fun fact: I used the "brood lord micro" trick when first playing the heart of the swarm campaign. Though it was the most useless thing ever. Now look at it :)
I feel like i havent seen much Cure gameplay gald to see him fighting against Dark
20:02 "Kids, if you don't stop fighting down there, I'm going to turn this CC around!"
You’re the best @Lowko ! Once I’m caught up on your streams I try to watch other channels and it’s not the same! Keep on rocking sir
Winter and Rushi are also great commenters, Lagh'n'gamez if you're into ai and ai vs ai matches and I like stuff like Harstem for gameplay, too but yeah, Lowko's energy is unique and beautiful!
"James bond over here" proceeds to make the jaws theme sounds. 😂😂😂
It's like swarm hosts from HoTS but micro intensive
Cure really needed to do more this game. Do some main base drops or something to slow dark down. He just turtled the whole early game.
"A turtle's shell eventually becomes it's tomb."
Loved to see Terran getting strangled on their own game. Beautiful play by Dark, managed to make trades horribly inefficient for the terran
To my eyes terrans never stand a chance. No wonder they turtle.
i was so sad without lowkos starcraft2 videos :,C, thank you our dutch prince
I agree that spell casters are just too needed. There's too many of them. I often yearn for the early days of mass battles
Vipers and Infestors are just too damn good imho. Only thing Terran has to counter that late game comp is Ghosts sadly...
@@elgar7252 problem is Ghost are disguntingly OP as well, precisely because of a lack of other Terran Spellcasters
@@elgar7252 it might be the only thing, but i dont see a problem there for terran players/game balance. they do have the counter and the counter is pretty strong as well
Hey Lowko.
BIG THANKS for the non-spoiling title. I know those tends to make you less views and that's the way it is, things suck sometimes. Still you give it a try sometimes: deeply appreciated.
What can I say, I'm french. I prefer quality over quantity. Rather than you comments over something already set, I appreciate a good unpredictable game of starcraft ALONG WITH your comments and analysis.
Now that is some gourmet cast which should be served for everybody to educate and lift up that taste sense.
"THE RADIATION NEVER BOTHERED ME ANY WAYS!!!!"
Lowko please post more SC2 casts than other things. Your casting is absolutely amazing and I miss it everyday when you post something else instead like gameplay or highlights etc. You are doing a wonderful job here, and I reckon other stuff makes you more a youtuber; however as far as I regard, you are the best caster in the world right now, most fun to watch, most fun to get educated (even when the audience knows so little), and frankly I don't want to spoil good games on other people's casting if you have it on your channel. Keep up your brilliant work mate. I hope this thing goes professional on you, and you make your living not only out of youtube but a lot of professional casting as well!
New lowko video right in time for my lunch!!! you never fail to entertain us
I feel like youtube should allow us to give 1 like for every 10 minutes of viewing. This game certainly deserves this.
Got to love those free units that you can toss a screen and a half away.
41:28 - THE MULES LMAO
Oh my holy swarm!
Dark is 400 IQ player in this match.
We actually just stared at the same exact choke point for a solid 10 minutes straight didn't we.
This was such a weird game. I feel like it must've been a practice match. The supply difference at 24:30 after that one engagement was absolutely massive and Dark has to have realized that, yet he didn't just fly his broods across the map and win. I couldn't believe it when I looked at the time left and saw that there was 20 minutes more to go.
LOL.
Around 14:10 : "When terran players close their eyes at night, that is what they dream off"
Might actually be true. That is why watching rather than playing myself is actually better!
I love seeing the zerg doing the terran so dirty!
4:35 I wonder why he showed the Banshee?
Love getting your notifications Lowko! I know what i'll be doing for the next 45 minutes.
So painful to watch Cure slowly dying for the last 15 minutes while the broods shoot unlimited free units. He couldn't even move forward without getting blanketed by fungal and blinding cloud. Well played by Dark.
@@albert3321 rly? did u remember 2019 with infested terrans when terran lost games in endgame permanently. How about 2020-2021, when all zergs started lurker play style and terrans could win only with anal def
Everybody hates on terrans but Zerg has been dominant for awhile. It seems like there is no balancing this game. Tbh there need to be more races. 3 is just mind blowing they still haven’t created another one after all this time. Seems stingy and lazy. Make more races??
I feel like I know the answer (no), but do you think it's worth it for low level players to figure out this Broodlord micro vs turtle-y terrans? I recently played against a Terran that just turtled hard on this same map and it was very difficult to break.
Probably not just because there are so many things involved that you would have to practice that it would probably be more worth it just to work more on fundamental skills like taking good engagements. It’s not just having a lot of broodlords are being able to micro them correctly to make the trick work (which by itself is really micro intensive already), but to actually do damage with it you have to be able to control infestors, vipers, and queens for respreading creep tumors that you kill, requiring 4 separate control groups that you use simultaneously. This is why even Serral has only managed to use this trick sparingly. It requires godlike micro ability. It could be fun to try it out in the unit tester just to see if you can actually pull it off but I don’t see this being a viable strategy for most of us mere mortals.
Same map same problem today with a Terran he made the game 40+ min more than it should have been thanks to those tanks it was fucking difficult to enter but in the end I made it with ultralisk and hydralisk, my only advice against a turtle is *win the map first, conquer every place and be sure he can't do shit to expand, he will die economically before than you*
I mean if you can get to brood lord tech just run zerglings at them to cover for the brood lords. But that stops working eventually. guess it depends on what you mean by low level
Generally I keep my queens and infestors on the same control group and just tab through them. queens protect/heal the infestors
A flanking Nuke, a fluke perhaps?
I feel like dark should have countered much sooner but wanted to practice late game is my only logical explanation. Cure I think should have continued to push when he was chewing through bases but who knows. There was some wierd stuff in this match and wonder if both of them smoked before it, what was with the flying command centers a few times?
Well the command centres towards the end had little use so I'd imagine it's just a distraction thing (and possibly scouting haha) , like Dark sees a red blip on map checks what's there only to see it's something that's not a threat haha
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He will stream on Friday again!
I'm currently doing TH-cam livestreams every Friday. :)
Would a few battlecruisers be useful in these stalemates? Yamatos seem like they would be more useful than nukes to break stalemates, as they are free and can guarantee a kill on at least something.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. He had a whole 15 minutes to break out with a transition, and trading a few repair resources for the ability to kill a brood seems better than spending 100&100 to just kill tumors and spores. I should count the nukes and the cost of the damage they did.
All in all it was a fun game, but more silly than "epic".
easily snatched by vipers, and now serve more as a harrassing unit unless you get giant numbers with them in mid game
Love that zerg finally has a chance against late game Terran. This is basically the only way to win, and only the very top of the zerg can pull it off. So zerg isnt OP - since terran wins 99% of late game. But it is really nice to see that Zerg has a chance, if well micro:ed.
Nice video as always Lowko!
28:37 BRANDAAAAA
Damn swarm hosts have been popular lately. Had like an entire month where i got nothing but swarms... crazy.
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I feel like zerg players don't use enough queens. they are such a good unit
Would someone mind telling me what exactly the "creep spread" does for the Zerg? Why is it important for the player to take fights while they're on the creep? Like for example, the queens, why would you want them to be on creep when they fight rather than not? Any help would be appreciated :)
Is it serious question? Well if yes, easy to answer: 1 vision. So you have advantage of range and positioning (like surround or backstabbing). 2 ground unit speed. Zerg units significantly faster on creep, and since most of them are melee it benefits greatly, 3 queens can only transfuse on creep. So high level Zerg can heal damaged units like ultralisks or broods. There is famous video, when one ultra survived whole Terran army, being transfused by like 20 queens. 4 ground units regenerate faster on creep. But it does not matter much during battle
Specifically in regards to taking fights, Zerglings and Banelings have a 1.3× movement speed multiplier when on creep, and Queens are unable to use Transfusion when off creep. The movement speed boost allows Zerglings and Banelings to take fewer hits while closing distance, allowing more of them to reach opposing units. Zerglings have an easier time surrounding small groups of opposing units on creep, preventing them from retreating, and Banelings have an easier time chasing down retreating units on creep (and require faster reaction times when splitting units against them or picking up units to flee from them). Transfusion allows Queens to keep high-value units alive longer in the middle of fights.
1. Vision
2. Queen transfuse only on creep
3. Speed. Melee units get kited against ranged units and zerglings and banelings need to close the gap asap. Creep's bonus move speed (though the bonus may seem small) turns it from a cakewalk for terrans to kite lings and banes to "maru-like micro" to kite lings and banes
I think the other responses covered it pretty well. I would just emphasize just how dangerous it can be for the terran to push onto the creep before clearing it. Since the zerg can see everything and have a speed boost, it is easier to create surrounds and concave set-ups around the terran army. This gives the zerg a lot of time to prepare for defense when terran try to go for a counterattack. So you either have to accept the consequences of fighting on creep, or you have to slow down and take out the creep first(which also requires detection). So it’s a real Catch 22. Creep is strong for sure.
In addition to what the others said, it also prevents non Zerg to build on it. So if you manage to get creep on a potential opponents base location, he needs to get detection to clear it.
"What? Zerg figured out a way to survive late game? Nerf it, and buff the ghost." Blizzard probably
Bro terran fights to survive at every stage of the game. Sounds biased to me. Keep it broken! Don’t hot fix. Let Zerg have there moment in the sun! Zerg player? I’ve never played the game I just watch lowko broadcast.
@@northlord804 I played a long time ago, haven't played in years. I generally just root for the underdog, which in any match is the guy not using ghosts. I'm so tired of watching Terran ghosts counter everything except Terran mech, no now that I think of it, nvm they can just nuke slow Terran mech. It's boring af to watch. "And now the Terran player is working on ghost production." Every game
@@rickybobby50 thanks for the perspective I’ve never played but that makes sense.
how do you get these income advantage charts?
GG real interesting game (I don't even play, but I love watching!)
A great game of TvZ: a cowardly turtle getting trolled and rolled. Love to see it.
Ngl I don’t get why Cure stayed by that choke so long after the base had been mined out
Still waiting Lowko to speak more about Gouda and other cheese. :)
Brood Infestor... *cue 2012 flashbacks*
That's the only cost efficient army for Zerg which makes it the only viable late game comp and it'll always be
27:15 is my favorite part.
I always find it funny when people tell me Zerg is OP... um no they aren't the only way Zerg wins late game is if micro'd with over 500 apm.
Lol sounds like you are a Zerg player. Every game I see Zerg has advantage. But let them reign for awhile yeah? Who cares you can’t balance this game and it’s completely a joke that there are still only 3 races. No effort at advancement at all. Easy way out keep the same game going for decade plus and add a new unit here and there. Smh
I think you need to show more of these "Terrans just win in the late game against Zerg." You said it yourself, the highest end Zergs don't have a problem, and since 99.9% of my SC2 content comes from you, all I see are Terrans "turtling" only to get ripped apart when they can't actually attack.
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@@william_sun As an admittedly biased Terran simp, my statement should not be construed as anything but "agreeing and amplifying" what Lowko said himself. Though I appreciate you going out of your way to look up some examples for me.
Agreed 100%! And wow two games? Lmao how are you serious about that William Sun? I could go find around 50 rn in lowko videos where Zerg destroy. And I’m not biased I’ve never played the game. Looks unfair af.
am i crazy, or are seige tanks and liberators terrible units to produce against brood lords?
- time to switch between modes and immobility during siege mode
- inflexible targeting area
- slow rate of fire and overkill against broodlings
- costly build in time and gas
Those 2 tanks and 6 libs could have been what, 12 hellbats in terms of supply, in addition to the handful that were already on the ground?
Imagine that nuke at 34:10 were immediately followed by a dozen plus stimmed hellbats charging forward, burning a path through spore crawlers and broodlings, focusing micro on splitting against baneling counter attacks. That would punch a hole through the chokepoint for the thors to safely cross and get under the lords. And replacements could be cranked out and sent to the front way quickly. What's the downside?
As a human myself, I'm a bit partial to Terrans, however turtles are the scum of the earth. Also since ghosts are cool I don't want to see them nerfed and I like that there's an existing in-game counter to them.
Why didn't the Zerg go around the top side of the Terran's side and take out his ghost academy or stop him firing nukes? that was the only thing keeping the Terran in the game, the threat of nukes. it may not have been successful, but it would have given the Terran something else to think about.
We've been seeing a lot of this broodlord vs thor stalemate lately...but the zerg always wins. I'd really like to see one of these were the terran wins. Curious how they would do it.
I think Lowko just doesn’t showcase when the Terrans win these stalemates because the best players in the world are still Zergs. Anyone else besides like the top 5 players in the world loses to Terrain late game.
@@pityprophet1905 that’s interesting, thanks for the insight. I do get most of my pro content from Lowko
Idk maybe Terran does win every game not at top level but all the ones I see Zerg still has an advantage. They have way more utility than the other races. Does anybody know why this game has been out for so long but no new races? Seems like a cop out when they could really take this game even farther but what do I know.
Agreed, SC2 spellcasters are really too good. It's funny that protoss, the race of "psionics", have the most balanced spellcasters too... though feedback the same issues. But when spells do a lot of damage, they're going to start overshadowing regular units, just like heroes in WC3.
The problem, imo, is that infestors and ghosts do instant and stackable damage. Psionic storm not having stackable damage AND doing damage over time makes it at least not broken in the sense that getting 12 of them and good micro wins games. But parasitic bomb (at least you can micro to mitigate the overall damage, it's mostly fine), fungal growth, snipe and EMP having basically guaranteed damage makes them too good. When you can do 30 to 100 damage per click, at 10 clicks per second, that damage potential jumps significantly. Versus vanilla units whose DPS can never be increased via micro. Much like you can't micro storm to higher damage.
I hope Stormgate learns from SC2 and makes their spellcasters have some way for the opponent to interact and mitigate the damage or effects with good micro. It makes for more interesting games and moves away from spellcasters becoming too large of a core.
Please cast Bo3 Serral vs Gerald (Dreamhack) - it's quite not typical PvZ.
Zerg: ok I'm going to open real agressive, hit when you have very few units, expand all over the map, mine more bases, control several groups of spellcasters and do micro tricks that are new to the game.
Terran: one unit defends my early game, then turtle for 40 minutes.
Terrans are just too scared against that kind of play. You don't waddle your troops when the broods come knocking, you place your hellbats on hold position and single target the flappies down with your thors. You need like merely 5 Thors to 1 shot a broodlord, so every single trade will be advantageous if you just keep your thors in place and shoot.
Yeah man it's probably exactly that easy to play against Dark, a world champion. Why dont you teach cure how it's done? You sure do seem to know way more than him.
@@soggycheese8485 pretty much this. I'm sure some random on the internet is better at the game than Cure
@@soggycheese8485 Well I do know that if your troops are not shooting you're doing something wrong.
Did you miss that the Thors just flat out couldn't get close enough to do the one-shotting with how Dark was microing? They couldn't push up, they'd get surrounded and killed. They couldn't fall back, the Broods would continue being micro'd and kill them from behind. It was a no-win situation, and it just took Cure a long while to see that.
@@shadoweddragonfilms4424 You only need around 3 thors to effectively trade. The thors certainly had enough space, but the operator seemed to think that they didn't and was hesitant to shoot and whenever he did finally start shooting they started instantly rekking the brood they were targeting, but at that point the broods were already retreating. When the broods come to your position you always stay and shoot, because you can always get free hits in before they are in range. You never need to "push up" with thors. The broods need to push down.
Did Dark forget adrenaline glands the whole game?
He researched it at some point.
i think the constant dropping of broodlings is defensive. looking for a tiny push from terran. noice
But then Terran steps forward and gets decimated. It happened every time Terran tried to push. Terran got destroyed and can’t farm like Zerg. So while you might think terrans turtle out of spite it seems like it’s out of necessity.
Oh man. That poor Terran; can't engage, can't hold back, slowly running out of resources - what to do except win before Zerg gets to that point?
So ironic because it felt like with the meta it used to be the opposite. Zerg felt like they needed to kill Terran or Protoss before they built up their massive armies. They figured out that Queen march push and then Queens got nerfed. Been a real struggle, but now Dark is showing just how strong this micro trick can be. Wouldn’t be surprised if this really changes the meta
how the tables have turned
@@mr_clean575 I think this is a return to WoL Infestor Broodlord. Only now with the addition of high micro vipers being able to deal with BCs, Tempests, Vikings, Pheonixes, Thors, ground balls and the broodlord/infestor being able to deal with the scary stuff like ghosts and high templars. It can get pretty annoying though when the late game turns into a sea of photons/turtle terran/spores with both sides trying to pick off value without seeking a decisive engagement. Just not as fun to watch
Remember when swarm hosts made Zerg turtle and drag out games? So they nerfed it to the ground? Guess it was just luck that Blizz stopped updating the game in a state where Terran is always turtling and dragging out games.
Ever think Terran turtles up cause they are trying not to lose? Advance on Zerg late game army get destroyed. Defend against said army gets chipped and poked from so far away you can’t hold ground. Idk if it’s possible to balance this game.
Dark is so scary.
I miss blys shenanigans
hey uh, why didn't cure start sniping broods at 15:20?
He was kind of in an awkward position with the command center blocking their path, creating a choke on the side. He tries to go in but the fungals really use that choke. I guess he was trying to evacuate the ones he could instead of focusing on trying to snipe. Snipe also gets interrupted by damage so he may not have had time to channel it, especially with the amount of infestors that could keep using fungal growth. Keep in mind that he also just saw the broodlords for the first time ten seconds earlier. I definitely think he could have gotten a few snipes off tho if he was a little quicker
if the brood lord trick get used too much i feel like they will nerf it by making it impossible to target allies with them
I have never played sc2 but I watch lowko. Tbh the brood lords look broke af regardless if the Terran decides to turtle up. You can’t really say that when Zerg can pretty much put down spine crawlers and do the same thing. Brood lords and other units like them need to be nerfed. The broodlings should at least cost a very small amount of income. Tiny so at least they can’t be used on repeat from miles away. Range from those things literally out ranges ghosts nukes hell even tempest if they could target tempest. Bs to be sure but wah game doesn’t look fair or like it ever has been still fun to watch just hate knowing the outcome of every Zerg game. Zerg wins 90%
I notice no one uses hydras in high level games. Why?
My understanding is that they are just far too easily killed to justify their cost. Too expensive to swarm like zerglings, and they will get demolished by the tanks. In this game the only flyers were medivacs and liberators, and Dark would have needed too many hydras to kill the liberators fast enough, and the other things outrange them. His money just ended up being better spent on his broods and infestors.
I'm still awake, this is not good...
That means the video was pretty good, though.
I see everyone's talking about the same video again...
a kill count for the terran army ?
That trick with the broods is definetely broken af
Its cool af
Clever plays, insane micro.. But.. the fact that you can (theoretically) get infinite value out of broods, since they cost nothing (but, well, apm).. is still a bit stupid... Interceptors cost money!
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Seriously I can't see a way for pro-terrans and protoss to beat this kind of late game zerg.
fortunately for them Dark seems to be the only zerg in the world who actually has the micro abilities to pull it off XD. Just kill Dark before the ultra late game scenario where he has 20+ broods and you're good to go.
Zerg is so busted it's crazy.
Why no Vikings??
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Broods need to cost minerals to cast. No more Freebies.
Zerg inefficiency is already so bad tho. That’s what makes swarm hosts and broodlords viable
And widow mines too… and disrupter shots…
And lets make terran need to buy ammo's for marines, I guess that would be great! What do you think?
@@oza_lup Not the Same. Maybe give the marines mortars to fire from a safe distance. Bring back the Reaver for Toss.
Broodlords casting onto their own units then going after your enemy is quite literally one of the biggest bullshit things in SC2. That should never be allowed.
Terran at any point can just snipe the broods. The amount of APM you have to have while doing this broodlord trick is absolutely fucking insane. Any Zerg that can do this deserves to win.
if I was cure I'd probably transition to Mass BC at some point to deal with a mass brood army
Neural parasites would make your BCs just in the middle of spore forest
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Really hope they patch that Broodlord bs.
Terran shut up
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Maybe I need to actually play SC2 to appreciate it... but Terran turtling is like watching paint dry. Aside from Gumi rest of big terran names are doing way too much sheep counting.
All thecomments are from 6 days ago and youtube is lagging even though the notification for video just came what going on
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This is a Prime example of why Broodlords NEED to be Removed and replaced by Guardians : the free broodlings with the mechanic blocking path and being so OP damage wise compared to timed life !! Also Fungal Growth hitting Air and ground is just madness if you don't believe me watch Lowk's real size units video! That goes for Psy Storm too and EMP from ghost no favorite !
Wouldn't it be a nice clickbait to highlight in this game a siege tank with more than 200 kills on its name? 😂
Zerg win?
Terran turtle for 40 min?
Maybe this matchup needs to be fixed, how is a 700apm solution a real way...