Just a note to say thank you. I purchased DXO and your LR Sports presets. My images from this past weeks games look great. Thank you again for your videos and recommendations.
I remember switching to DXO. I thought the LR Ai Denoise was giving me some weird smudging in high saturated areas and I had to work around that by layering a denoised copy under the original output and mask/blend them. I trialed a few different software including Camera OEMs and ended up with DXO because the files were usable right out of the gate. It was also quick.
If you grab DXO photolab it has pure raw built in I import all my photos in dxo photolab apply my preset then my preset also is set up do add the denoise on export, I pick a folder let it go and it adds the " color" adjustments from my preset and the denoise as well, it also has a few levels of denoise to pick from
I trialed it and they improved A LOT since ver 2 or 3 I tried a few years ago . i had to buy it now, it helps so much with bird photos on my Canon r7 !!
@@JackBeasleyMedia I need to look at the differences between moving sliders up and down on the quality of the output, but then again I've only been doing jpg output. I may try the DNG to see how that looks.
Good info Jack, I'm going to give it a try! My experience mirrors what you said. Ive had issues bulk processing sports photos in Photo AI and i always have to adjust the noise reduction down as it over does it. For wildlife photos i still use the regular topaz denoise as it always does a better job than Photo Ai.
Looking at this program and thanks for sharing. Is this the newest version? If a newer version come out, will there be updates for this one? Do you start in LR to edit images than go to DxO after?
@@cryptographerchris4856 Version 4 is the latest. They do periodic updates, but significant improvements are probably a new version. I bulk process in Pure Raw first
Thanks for the great info here Jack. Are you using the DXO prior to edits in Lightroom, and if so any issues with Nikon raw files, which I still have with topaz?
I'm using it prior. And yes, issues with the new Nikon compressed RAW images is part of the reason I stopped using Topaz Denoise. They work in both DxO Raw 4 and Topaz Photo AI.
Using DXO Photo Lab and yea it's better than the others and what I find the faster your GPU and CPU on your computer the faster it batch processes files!
Great content as usual. Always appreciate what you share. Love DXO Pureraw 4, but it has significant performance issues when running on Mac hardware. Even with Mac M2 Ultra and 64GB RAM it still takes forever to batch process when compared to Denoise AI. End result is amazing though so I'm having to simply be patient. Seems to be bad coding as the app barely touches the GPU and CPU utilization. Wish Topaz would revisit their decision to abandon Denoise AI or DXO refactor their code to make better use of modern multi threading.
With a Macbook Pro M3 Max and 64Gb 1 Photo needs 7 Sec. for 200 Raws 20-25Minutes. Its okay, but when you need to deliver directly you cańt go with a extra Program. For Formula 1 i have no time, but for local soccer its the best program for sharpening and denoising
so Jack here is a big question, is it possible that DXO noise reduction could be the answer for shooting high ISO images like a HS football field at night using a F4 lens, for alot of this it could really open up possibilities
It depends on your camera. Some models (full frame 20-25 megapixels) tolerate noise better than others (full frame 45-60 megapixels or crop frame)- even with the best noise reduction. Also, it depends on your tolerance for noise. For example, my 25 megapixel Nikon D5 responded much better to very high ISO noise reduction than my 50 megapixel Z9. Even so, I’ll go to ISO 20,000 in the Z9. So, long story short, it depends on a lot of factors - how dark are those fields, how does your camera sensor perform, and what is your tolerance for the results? Long story short - there are some gyms and fields I could get away with f4 and 1/1000 sec. There are others I wouldn't even try.
So, the question is does adding denoise increase sales. vs. not adding denoise.? Thanks for keeping up with the different denoise software. It saves me the time doing it. ha ha
I'm still rocking Topaz Photo AI but the batch RAW processing never worked for me. The colors would be drastically different. Looks like DXO is the move!
Have you tested ON1 NoNoise AI 2024 against DXO? I'd be interested in the results. I went to ON1 because I was unimpressed with Topaz Photo AI but I'm open to other options if they are better.
I did some time ago, but I don't think I included it in a video. I don't recall it being better than the others I've used. Topaz Photo Ai is tricky to use, and you have to babysit it.
Im using pure 3 and its fantastic with my Fuji crop sensor files & as result i dont need full frame heavy gear anymore. Would it be worth upgrading to Pure Raw 4?
Does DxO Pure RAW 4 have AI sharpening capability like Topaz Photo AI 3? I’m looking for a program that will do noise reduction and also re-imagine detail in motion blurred or out of focus images, especially images with faces that have missed focus. What would you recommend?
I beg to differ, it's exactly the same engine that runs both applications. If anything PhotoLab is superior because you're working with the original Raw file plus there are fine adjustments one can make in PhotoLab.
Super helpful and insightful! These tools are phenomenal… And only getting better with every release. Looking forward to them being built directly into the cameras… At least the noise, mitigation AI.
I have had limited success with 4. It will start erroring out files, but it never tells me what the error is. Once this errors out, the rest continue to fail.
How heavy are you going on the denoise in LR? This seems like a skewed comparison that you shouldn't really be making as pureraw does a lot more enhancing than purely the LR denoise tool. And it seems your using the denoise tool at quite a high % which explaines why all your LR denoise comparison shots have such loss of sharpness and look more denoised. A better comparison would have been if you would have put the denoise slider at 20-30% and left alt sharpened, left alt detail, left alt radius and left alt sharpness masked the LR denoised version . Pureraw is trying to perfectly do all this for you and sometimes is great, other times isn't but ultimately gives you less control over your denoising and sharpening process it as it works destructively. + In a general healthy workflow you should denoise and sharpen after editing to eliminate the potential of artifacting on a denoised images as you stretch the dynamic range while processing.
Just a note to say thank you. I purchased DXO and your LR Sports presets. My images from this past weeks games look great. Thank you again for your videos and recommendations.
I’m glad I could help!
I remember switching to DXO. I thought the LR Ai Denoise was giving me some weird smudging in high saturated areas and I had to work around that by layering a denoised copy under the original output and mask/blend them. I trialed a few different software including Camera OEMs and ended up with DXO because the files were usable right out of the gate. It was also quick.
If you grab DXO photolab it has pure raw built in I import all my photos in dxo photolab apply my preset then my preset also is set up do add the denoise on export, I pick a folder let it go and it adds the " color" adjustments from my preset and the denoise as well, it also has a few levels of denoise to pick from
totally agree with your assessment. i've done my own comparison and came to the same conclusion.
I trialed it and they improved A LOT since ver 2 or 3 I tried a few years ago . i had to buy it now, it helps so much with bird photos on my Canon r7 !!
nice presentation. is it possible to crop and develop tones in LRC and launch pureraw4 with LRC edits ? perhaps using a tiff as we do in photo ai ?
Have you done a video with the actual process settings that you use when you bulk process your images?
@@DavidCampos-i6g No, not yet. But for this video, everything was just on auto
@@JackBeasleyMedia I need to look at the differences between moving sliders up and down on the quality of the output, but then again I've only been doing jpg output. I may try the DNG to see how that looks.
@@DavidCampos-i6g Oh yeah, I always to DNG for later edits
Good info Jack, I'm going to give it a try! My experience mirrors what you said. Ive had issues bulk processing sports photos in Photo AI and i always have to adjust the noise reduction down as it over does it. For wildlife photos i still use the regular topaz denoise as it always does a better job than Photo Ai.
I needed to hear this, thank you, very helpful.
Wow! I think this is what I need
Looking at this program and thanks for sharing. Is this the newest version? If a newer version come out, will there be updates for this one? Do you start in LR to edit images than go to DxO after?
@@cryptographerchris4856 Version 4 is the latest. They do periodic updates, but significant improvements are probably a new version. I bulk process in Pure Raw first
@ got it. Thanks. Will use your link if purchase for sure.
@ Thanks.
Could you do a video on using DxO Raw4 on how you export into Lightroom?
I'll set what I can do. It'll probably be something around workflow.
@@JackBeasleyMedia thank you that really what I need.
Thanks for the great info here Jack. Are you using the DXO prior to edits in Lightroom, and if so any issues with Nikon raw files, which I still have with topaz?
I'm using it prior. And yes, issues with the new Nikon compressed RAW images is part of the reason I stopped using Topaz Denoise. They work in both DxO Raw 4 and Topaz Photo AI.
I have DXO pure raw 3 and it is amazing. Even shots taken at 100 ISO benefit drastically from the processing.
Using DXO Photo Lab and yea it's better than the others and what I find the faster your GPU and CPU on your computer the faster it batch processes files!
Nice video @Jack
Great content as usual. Always appreciate what you share. Love DXO Pureraw 4, but it has significant performance issues when running on Mac hardware. Even with Mac M2 Ultra and 64GB RAM it still takes forever to batch process when compared to Denoise AI. End result is amazing though so I'm having to simply be patient. Seems to be bad coding as the app barely touches the GPU and CPU utilization. Wish Topaz would revisit their decision to abandon Denoise AI or DXO refactor their code to make better use of modern multi threading.
With a Macbook Pro M3 Max and 64Gb 1 Photo needs 7 Sec. for 200 Raws 20-25Minutes. Its okay, but when you need to deliver directly you cańt go with a extra Program. For Formula 1 i have no time, but for local soccer its the best program for sharpening and denoising
so Jack here is a big question, is it possible that DXO noise reduction could be the answer for shooting high ISO images like a HS football field at night using a F4 lens, for alot of this it could really open up possibilities
It depends on your camera. Some models (full frame 20-25 megapixels) tolerate noise better than others (full frame 45-60 megapixels or crop frame)- even with the best noise reduction. Also, it depends on your tolerance for noise. For example, my 25 megapixel Nikon D5 responded much better to very high ISO noise reduction than my 50 megapixel Z9. Even so, I’ll go to ISO 20,000 in the Z9. So, long story short, it depends on a lot of factors - how dark are those fields, how does your camera sensor perform, and what is your tolerance for the results?
Long story short - there are some gyms and fields I could get away with f4 and 1/1000 sec. There are others I wouldn't even try.
So, the question is does adding denoise increase sales. vs. not adding denoise.? Thanks for keeping up with the different denoise software. It saves me the time doing it. ha ha
For the average client, it doesn’t make a difference. For some, yes. But I could say the same thing about editing in general.
@@JackBeasleyMedia That was I guessed. And yes, many buyers don't even care about any editing we might do.
I'm still rocking Topaz Photo AI but the batch RAW processing never worked for me. The colors would be drastically different. Looks like DXO is the move!
Batch processing is an issue in Photo AI, for sure.
Have you tested ON1 NoNoise AI 2024 against DXO? I'd be interested in the results. I went to ON1 because I was unimpressed with Topaz Photo AI but I'm open to other options if they are better.
I did some time ago, but I don't think I included it in a video. I don't recall it being better than the others I've used. Topaz Photo Ai is tricky to use, and you have to babysit it.
Im using pure 3 and its fantastic with my Fuji crop sensor files & as result i dont need full frame heavy gear anymore. Would it be worth upgrading to Pure Raw 4?
I can’t say how it performs with Fuji files. What I do know is that with my cameras, Pure Raw 4 does a better job with faces than 3.
@@JackBeasleyMedia thanks 🙏🏻 will give it a trial
Does DxO Pure RAW 4 have AI sharpening capability like Topaz Photo AI 3? I’m looking for a program that will do noise reduction and also re-imagine detail in motion blurred or out of focus images, especially images with faces that have missed focus. What would you recommend?
Pure Raw 4 sharpens by correcting the image for the lens used. So, no. The only software I know of that does what you are asking is Topaz Photo AI.
Question... Is the noise reduction in Pure Raw 4 the same as the noise reduction in Photolab 7 Elite?
From what I read, no. Pure Raw 4 is more advanced.
I beg to differ, it's exactly the same engine that runs both applications. If anything PhotoLab is superior because you're working with the original Raw file plus there are fine adjustments one can make in PhotoLab.
@@pjc3163 DxO Pure Raw 4 uses RAW denoise called “DeepPrime XD2”. In DXO Photolab 7.8 it’s called “DeepPrime XD”. That tells me there’s a difference.
Can you cull in PhotoMechanic and then ingest into DXO Pure Raw 4 before your bring to Lightroom for final editing?
Yes you can.
Super helpful and insightful! These tools are phenomenal… And only getting better with every release. Looking forward to them being built directly into the cameras… At least the noise, mitigation AI.
Will this work for JPEG images or raw only?
@@brenthaugen1270 RAW only
Does the program work with capture one?
How does the processing time compare to LRC Denoise Ai
In the video I said I got 20 seconds a piece to process LRC denoise and 13 seconds each for the DXO Pure Raw 4
I have had limited success with 4. It will start erroring out files, but it never tells me what the error is. Once this errors out, the rest continue to fail.
Hmm. I’ve never had any problems.
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How heavy are you going on the denoise in LR?
This seems like a skewed comparison that you shouldn't really be making as pureraw does a lot more enhancing than purely the LR denoise tool. And it seems your using the denoise tool at quite a high % which explaines why all your LR denoise comparison shots have such loss of sharpness and look more denoised. A better comparison would have been if you would have put the denoise slider at 20-30% and left alt sharpened, left alt detail, left alt radius and left alt sharpness masked the LR denoised version . Pureraw is trying to perfectly do all this for you and sometimes is great, other times isn't but ultimately gives you less control over your denoising and sharpening process it as it works destructively. + In a general healthy workflow you should denoise and sharpen after editing to eliminate the potential of artifacting on a denoised images as you stretch the dynamic range while processing.
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Great video, thank you!
@@lidaamini3543 ok, thanks!
Jack I use Pure Raw 4
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