There is a reason that I love to work on my Japanese bikes... a lot less headache than the HD. Wow, you just gave me one more reason not to own one. Great work Del, but no thanks. Love the videos as always.
its so funny i totally agree with you but i own a Road King and a Fat Boy. I know how inferiour they are in just about every aspect you could compare bikes in but there is just something i absolutely love about their brutish flawed nature :P
Add up all the time over the years that it takes to adjust, clean and lube a chain and replace chains and sprockets and belt drive is a much better option in my opinion.
@@jamesweber4938 I've had chain and cardan axle driven bikes myself. Gotta say cardan was my favorite. I guess the downside there being the lowest efficiency in power transmission.
This was totally awesome to watch. I had no idea those things were so complicated in there! Good heavens, if the initial cost of the bikes wasn't stratospheric enough to keep me clutching at my wallet, one sight of this cemented the terror, lol. I always love your KP duty before, during, and after the job, it soothes my cleanliness OCD like no other channel. :)
Thank you kindly Sir, glad you approve... it's a slightly complex job so pays to keep everything in order... have a few days to wait for the parts and a few other issues in between, I need to make a special tool for the job, so we'll get to part 2 when we're ready! Enjoy your weekend!
Delboy's I have a 2006 Harley Heritage Softail, and I just want to thank you for the videos on the three oil changes and clutch adjustments. They helped me a lot . I am an old biker from the other side of the pond . I'm just saying thank you for the straight videos. No 50-cent music, just facts and useful information. Thank you for your straightforward information !
Hi Kevin, You are most welcome Sir, i really appreciate your honest feedback, it's great to know that we're hitting the spot for someone out there..lol! Take care and have a great weekend.. Del.
Another awesome job Del. That really is a pain in the butt job for sure. Take half the bike apart just to change a belt. Done that job many times. I enjoy jobs like that though cause they pay the bills. Thanks for sharing.
Sure thing buddy, good honest simple work aye, plain old nuts and bolts and with the heavy duty quality of everything on a Harley, things don't seize, break and snap off... they just come apart and go back together like a big ol' truck! And I love that I can still use my old AF tools...
Thanks so much Harold. 👍 I'm glad you enjoy the wrenching work, we're always trying to keep a diverse subject range within garage work, something for everyone and a little variety.. so it's good to know it works. ! take care and enjoy your weekend sir.. D&Px
So many good, helpful tips throughout this video. From the cardboard "primary cover" to keep the hardware in order to the problem-solver-Supreme method of using the double offset boxed end wrench as an extended "cheater bar" to get that needed leverage on the Allen key stuck off in a deep, dark hole, this video is chock-full of useful tidbits to make life easier. Looking forward to Part 2. Enjoy the weekend, D&P
I shudder to think how much that job would cost at the Harley dealer. The owner of this big Harley is very lucky to have you working on it Del. My Handy lift has a drop out panel that sure makes rear wheel removal easier on those monsters. I agree with the other comments on all the cool pro tricks you showed in this video like how you handled the primary tensioner shoe. Solid gold info all throughout. Many thanks to you and Penny as always. Cheers. ❤👍👍
Thank you so much for your kind words of support Rick, im glad you approve and enjoyed the video.. I don't think there is much greater benefit in verbally explaining things, as long as you show it clearly and methodically, then those who want to know how it's done can easily follow what they're watching. Take care and have a great weekend.. D&Px
Am amazed it even ran ! Wouldn't like to attempt that solo for the first time though. You made it look so easy, nothing like practice. Looking forward to part 2 and thanks :)
Just worked a 12 hour day, so what better way to chill when I get home, than to have a pint and watch Del do another ”fun” project. Seems like a lot had to come apart to do this belt change, also seems like you’ve done this before Del. Cheers.
Thanks so much for your kind words of support mate, it is a lot of work on these.. but it's pretty simple and straight forward.. Not done it on this particular model before, but thanks to Harley's being pretty generic it's no drama, experience on other various bike all makes this familiar..!
Wow, I thought changing the belt on my Indian was a pain. This is a lot of work, but like you said time to look at other stuff while it is apart. I've never worked on a Harley, so it is neat to see all this. Well done.
I do love a Harley and am a fan of belt drive as it's so much cleaner than a chain and simples day-to-day maintenance but honestly that's a load of work 🙂 Loving the vids though. Cheers
I met a rider at a campsite in the Yukon Territory of Canada earlier this Summer who was in the middle of doing this job at camp. His brand new Harley belt had snapped near the beginning of his road trip. I couldn't believe what a huge job it was to change it. Harley couldn't get him a new one for weeks so his wife was mailing him his old belt to reinstall.
Yeah, i can't believe it's this much work either, but there you go, they're reputed to last between 60k and 100k, but personally ive never seen one anywhere near that !
Nice video Del, I replaced my belt on my 04 FLHRS and I don't recall the manual calling for single use on the clutch chamber casting, is this just for newer models? Enjoyed the wrench session, great vid.
A lot to be said for a single sided swinging arm and a chain. I was wondering half way through, just how much more work was going to be needed simply to get access to the blessed thing. I'm sure you know where all the bits go when putting it all back together, not sure if I would!
Yeah, a long job on a full dress tourer.. but by contrast, a Sportster is a fraction of the time due to it's design construction ! as the swing arm bolts INSIDE the belt, it changes pretty much like a single sided setup !
That's helpful Del. I always enjoy watching you working on any bike. I've watched every week for the past 5 years with great anticipation - one of the best bike TH-cam channels by far!
These are the videos of yours I like to see, I’ll be honest I’m not keen on the fabrication videos, but love to see the “how to” style videos, even better when your showing us the way! Think the first video I found of yours was the how to rivet a chain and from watching and doing that I’ve done loads on my bike! Couple of big jobs over winter to do and i will be really happy with it 😎
Fantastic. Always love your videos. Looking forward to part 2. Despite Harley seemly trying to make everything difficult I still love em 😊 Safe rides. 👍🤜
It's a big heavy bike with lots of parts. So there is a lot of unbolting before the actual job can start ;-) I like how orderly you place the parts, nuts and bolts on the table.Something I've learned from you, having thrown them in a box before. Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg
Sure thing Günter, it's essential to work clean and today and place things in order, so you don't wonder where they go later on, plus a messy shop is a dangerous place to be!
Excellent video Del & Penny. Great video mate, full of useful tricks and tips for a job that's not done in an hour. Some people just about die when you tell them how long it takes to do, good thing is they last a long time if you look after them. Looking forward to the next one, Penny and you have a great weekend and stay safe. Cheers .
Sure thing mate, it is a long old job, i think the dealers quote 10 hours, and that's not factoring in any problems along the way.. Have a great weekend mate and stay safe.. D&Px
Enjoyed this Del, complicated but feel I could attempt this if I had the time (like 3 months!). Passed the time nicely while my visiting mother in law watched Casualty! 😂 Look forward to next vid. 👍
Great video Del, I’m not sure if you mentioned the year but it looks like a 2009 or 2010 bike. It appears to be in good condition too. I replaced a drive belt on my friend’s Victory Vegas years ago and it only required a few hand tools. Awesome job on the HD.
Another superb video Del illustrating with clarity that deleloping a knowledge and methodical skill set to work on your own bike should be a primary goal of every motorcycle owner..,no matter what the make.,manufacturer or marque since it all "translates".... Highly recommended content from your chanel filmed and edited perfectly....,as always. God bless BG.
Awesome video brother ! More involved than I thought but very interesting to learn ! Bike looks awesome ! Finally I got my first harley this weekend brother 🎉 2000 sportster 883 with 7k miles for $1100 bucks 🤙 who hooo , you motivated me brother !!! Stay safe guys cheers from New York !!!! 🍺
Wow, and Congratulations.. Welcome to the Dark Side brother.. now the world changes for you.. you will find endless "essential" things you NEED to bolt onto your Harley to make it better, louder, faster, cooler.. and i will wager that within a year you'll be looking at Big Twins, at least wondering what one would be like.. then a test ride happens, then you're hooked for life.lol! 😂😂 Enjoy the miles and have fun with possibly the cheapest Sportster in the world..$1100?.. Dayum.!
I want to invent a simple, yet outstandingly clever & malleable pastry joining link, just to enable suitable lengths of heat-shrink toothy belting to be available in every local corner shop. 'Thermally-driven automatic belt tensioning - drop the clutch & ride 'til it twangs Middle C . . .' "Couldn't be simpler really" . . . as it said on my last school report. Have a great w/e y'all : )xx
H-D belts should last between 60,000 to 100,000 miles if a kevlar belt. I have a 2008 dyna 40,000 miles on it looks good. 2017 Triumph Bonneville Speed Twin 900, I changed the chain at 14, 000 miles.
I have a buddy with a 1300 V Star that has 160,000 kms on it and its on the original belt. Lighter bike though (720 lbs) than a Harley dresser. Easier job to do the belt, no primary drive to disassemble. I will contact another friend to see how many belts he needed to change on his 800,000 kms 2010 Kawasaki Voyager @@bill_4359
There is no fixed lifespan for drive belts.. it all depends on how they're treated, if they're maintained properly and kept correctly tensioned.. and if so, and ridden respectfully, then yes, high mileages can be achieved.. but thats not the case with this one.. Not got the parts yet, but we'll be filming the rebuild once we do.
Here you go mate. ! www.spanner-monkey.co.uk/black-diamond-grip-extra-thick-nitrile-powder-free-gloves-large-pack-of-50-p-124418?search=SSP57L&description=true
How many people have converted from belt to chain drive (if possible) on these tourers? All videos I have seen show that it is not a hard job but, you do need space and the right tools. Plus confidence in yourself.
Given the associated gaskets and materials required and the labour time it takes, most like to keep to the belt as it lasts way longer than a chain and sprockets even though the parts are slightly cheaper... as always mate, do what works best for you as they say..!
Hiya Penny and Del, great video. Wow, what a lot of work to change a belt! Good on you for doing it... is this your bike? Take care, my friends. Be well and ride safe.
That is a shit ton of work there mate 😂 Thank god those belts dont need changing as often as chain & sprockets... Saying that, a properly looked after chain will last some time.
Sure thing mate, if you were to use a 630 chain, and steel sprockets, and maintain it meticulously, plus ride if respectfully, you might get somewhere close to the life of a belt... heavy bike with lots of torque is always going to punish a chain!
at 40,000 miles me thinks he was pretty handy with the throttle or lax with belt tension upkeep or was he unlucky to get something trapped in there, those belts are good for a lot more miles than that.Whatever great vid as usual take care you and penny
Not sure what you are doing but i really enjoyed that. Looked like a lot of work.. Forget about the pyramids, how did they build that bike is my question :)
Can someone explain to me the rationality of making it that difficult and time consuming for designing the belt drive like that? Compared to say a Sportster? It is just mind blowing they decided to go this route!
Certainly Jess. They didn't at any point "decide to go with this route"... the design principle evolved between 1903 and 1920's, and by 1920 it was a revised feature of the Model J. This principle has been retained right up to the modern day M8 engines as a matter of history and heritage (make your own opinions on that)... the Sportster you comapre this to was developed in the early 1950's with the first model K out in 1957... this principle has since been discointinued as outdated.. So what ever your opinions of Harley are, they've been making bikes continuously for 121 years... longer than any other...so i guess they know a bit about marketing aye..lol!
@@Moonfleet41 My question was why didn't they make it easier to maintain, not in any way bash the bike. Not sure about the history lesson, but why make one easier to work on and the others to take apart like a lego set? While Harley has been making motorcycles for a long time, others have made better. And just about any current mech will tell you that the new HDs are junk and a hassle to work on.
My point is, that Harley invented the system you're criticising back in 1920..and the Sportster system you mentioned in 1957... there's your answer, there's your 'made better'... problem is.... Harley are stuck in a time loop of their own doing.. because they have marketed so heavily on heritage and tradition, they can't now afford to let it go and abandon those key identifying features they're famous for.. shame really because it's not like they don't know how, V-Rod, Revolution Max, Buell 1125R etc... it's just that every time they seem to step forward...they close it down anfd step back to 1920 again... And as for hassle to work on.. we're in agreement on that one mate !
Certainly got their money’s worth with that belt. I know a lot of things are easier to work on with the new M8 engines compared to the twin cam but I couldn’t see a way changing the belt drive could be made easier it’s certainly an involved process .
I like your videos. You've gotten very good at producing them. No unnecessary talk, humor, or repeating yourself verbally. It's as if you are following a script like professional video Productions. Your lighting and camera work are always good. Kiddos to Pitstop Penny for I know she's helps as well. My only criticism is that sometimes you speak too fast, (it's more a hearing issue on my part) my American ears have a hard time deciphering your accent sometimes.
Thank you, that's very kind feedback... we're so pleased to hear you enjoy what we do! Sorry for the fast speaking sometimes, I suppose when you're busy in the garage and trying to explain things you don't want to take too long, but taken on board buddy! Much appreciate you watching, D&Px
That`s a hell of a lot of work, how long do they usually last?. Interesting vid Del, even though i`m no Harley fan, it shows how labour intensive the job is, and why it would cost a packet if a main dealer did it?.
It would indeed mate, but then everything costs a lot at the main dealer!... On average a belt and pulleys should last double what a chain and sprockets does, but of course as with all things, it depends how they're treated and maintained!
Great to watch as always. Freddie Dobbs has just done a podcast on the cost of bike servicing, and why it’s so high compared to cars. This excellent video shows why. Would this be a £1000 job at HD Del?
What an awful lot of work that is. Please let us know how much a dealer is likely to charge for this at the end. Looking forward to part 2. Have a great weekend and see you next week. Thanks for your great content. 👍
Hi Andy, I can tell you that now, the parts list comes to around £950 plus VAT and Harley list 10hrs labour for the job, so it's seriously going to mount up!
Yeah, first thought for most people, but this has lasted 39k miles. you still need to strip the primary for fit a new front sprocket...and how long would that last ?
Drive belt ?? It’s more like drive chain to me 😅. Sure lots moving parts in there!! Hope you remember how put back together. I wouldn’t mind the challenge myself. Oh !!! Last part is a belt !!! Smile!! Incredible way get to that piece!!
Sure thing mate, I believe the labour quote is 10hrs for this job, so multiple that by their labour rate, then add the parts and you're in to a tidy bill!
Do you mean you're finding your Breakout difficult on bends, or are you asking because it's hearsay? They are a long bike with pretty extreme wheel base, they have a massive wide rear tyre and a 21" front wheel, so due to this construction, they're not built for throwing round bends, they're very much a straight line cruiser... if you want one, or have one already, you'll just have to get used to it's constraints and enjoy it for what it is! If you want better handling from a Harley, then pick something like an M8 StreetBob with far less extreme styling... Hope that helps!
@Moonfleet41 At the moment I'm riding sportster 883, I'm looking to upgrade to breakout which is a very nice looking bike,I'm about 85 kg and feed back I had was on the bends you have to muscle it because of 240mm rear wheel, just seeking your experience if you have ridden it.? Cheers
OK... Just how in the hell was that bike still able to motor down the road with over 1/2 its teeth missing on the belt? That had to be a real jerky ride going down the road. Lucky it was caught in time, like you said. Shredding off, getting caught in the wheel or doing more damage would just be a really bad day. Love the content, as always, my friend. Hope you and Miss Penny are doing well. LM&R to you both...
Hey buddy.. I think the strip out happened in one moment, not sure exactly as it's not my bike and I'm not aware of the exact circumstances... just glad it didn't result in an accident as it so easily could have ! You both Have a great weekend too, and thank you as always for your awesome support Brother.
I used a 32 inch torque wrench extension with my 3/8 drive wrench to achieve the torque required on the compensator and clutch bolt and nut, worked really well if the online calculator can trusted, fyi. Anyone else have ideas to get that done short of a half inch drive torque wrench
Iam glad I like shaft driven bikes Del man that's labour intensive job I had chain driven harley in oil just as difficult to do anything on the back end 😢😢
What a pig of a job to do just to change the belt. Just googled how long a belt last. A long time. Wouldn't like to think how much HD would charge to do that job.
You have to enjoy tinkering, to love Harleys. Working on them is whats required and what we do. Its a love hate thing.like being married. As you work on your bike thats how you get to know it. Thats the beginning of your relationship with the old girl. Id venture to say guys who buy new bikes all the time dont work on their bikes much. Just my point of view.
and i thought germans overcomplicate things that should be simple...compared to that my honda sh300i drive belt change is as complicated as boiling water...
Harleys are so weird. My mechanical engineer brain tells me to buy a Japanese bike as they are superior in every way but my simple neantherdahl brain yells HAHA WROOOM TUNNEL and i have a Road King and a Fat Boy! :D
Having worked on both bikes, I can tell you how finite Japanese engines are, by 30,000 miles or more, most Jap stuff is heading for big repair bills in so many ways they are horribly disposable, which is a shame because they're not cheap! But with Harleys, although the consumables wear out like any other, the engine's just don't... just look at the immaculate quality of that primary system, it's like brand new at 40k miles... they just don't wear out and will roll on forever!
There is a reason that I love to work on my Japanese bikes... a lot less headache than the HD. Wow, you just gave me one more reason not to own one. Great work Del, but no thanks. Love the videos as always.
@artboy1269. My sentiments entirely.
its so funny i totally agree with you but i own a Road King and a Fat Boy. I know how inferiour they are in just about every aspect you could compare bikes in but there is just something i absolutely love about their brutish flawed nature :P
For sure an engineering dogs breakfast. However our brothers n sisters that love their HD's are ok with me.
Yamaha… don’t even need to take the wheel off.
What a faff to replace a drive belt. Chains and sprockets are so much easier.
Makes you appreciate how easy it is to change a chain in comparison. 😄
Thankfully should not need replacing too often...!!
@@akasa231 That is true. And by the time you do, you can do bunch of other "while you're there" stuff.
Add up all the time over the years that it takes to adjust, clean and lube a chain and replace chains and sprockets and belt drive is a much better option in my opinion.
@@jamesweber4938 I've had chain and cardan axle driven bikes myself. Gotta say cardan was my favorite. I guess the downside there being the lowest efficiency in power transmission.
This was totally awesome to watch. I had no idea those things were so complicated in there! Good heavens, if the initial cost of the bikes wasn't stratospheric enough to keep me clutching at my wallet, one sight of this cemented the terror, lol. I always love your KP duty before, during, and after the job, it soothes my cleanliness OCD like no other channel. :)
Thank you kindly Sir, glad you approve... it's a slightly complex job so pays to keep everything in order... have a few days to wait for the parts and a few other issues in between, I need to make a special tool for the job, so we'll get to part 2 when we're ready! Enjoy your weekend!
Delboy's I have a 2006 Harley Heritage Softail, and I just want to thank you for the videos on the three oil changes and clutch adjustments. They helped me a lot .
I am an old biker from the other side of the pond . I'm just saying thank you for the straight videos. No 50-cent music, just facts and useful information.
Thank you for your straightforward information !
Hi Kevin, You are most welcome Sir, i really appreciate your honest feedback, it's great to know that we're hitting the spot for someone out there..lol! Take care and have a great weekend.. Del.
Another awesome job Del. That really is a pain in the butt job for sure. Take half the bike apart just to change a belt. Done that job many times. I enjoy jobs like that though cause they pay the bills. Thanks for sharing.
Sure thing buddy, good honest simple work aye, plain old nuts and bolts and with the heavy duty quality of everything on a Harley, things don't seize, break and snap off... they just come apart and go back together like a big ol' truck! And I love that I can still use my old AF tools...
Definitely like the wrenching videos the best.
That is one worn out and tired looking belt!
Thanks so much Harold. 👍 I'm glad you enjoy the wrenching work, we're always trying to keep a diverse subject range within garage work, something for everyone and a little variety.. so it's good to know it works. ! take care and enjoy your weekend sir.. D&Px
So many good, helpful tips throughout this video. From the cardboard "primary cover" to keep the hardware in order to the problem-solver-Supreme method of using the double offset boxed end wrench as an extended "cheater bar" to get that needed leverage on the Allen key stuck off in a deep, dark hole, this video is chock-full of useful tidbits to make life easier. Looking forward to Part 2. Enjoy the weekend, D&P
Thank you buddy, am glad you like the little tricks... just passing forward the old things I learned from the old guys I've met along the way!
I shudder to think how much that job would cost at the Harley dealer. The owner of this big Harley is very lucky to have you working on it Del. My Handy lift has a drop out panel that sure makes rear wheel removal easier on those monsters. I agree with the other comments on all the cool pro tricks you showed in this video like how you handled the primary tensioner shoe. Solid gold info all throughout. Many thanks to you and Penny as always. Cheers. ❤👍👍
Thank you so much for your kind words of support Rick, im glad you approve and enjoyed the video.. I don't think there is much greater benefit in verbally explaining things, as long as you show it clearly and methodically, then those who want to know how it's done can easily follow what they're watching. Take care and have a great weekend.. D&Px
Am amazed it even ran ! Wouldn't like to attempt that solo for the first time though. You made it look so easy, nothing like practice. Looking forward to part 2 and thanks :)
Thank you Tony, im glad you enjoyed it. It's just nuts and bolts, and these bikes are pretty simple.. ave a great weekend and take care buddy. D&Px
Just worked a 12 hour day, so what better way to chill when I get home, than to have a pint and watch Del do another ”fun” project. Seems like a lot had to come apart to do this belt change, also seems like you’ve done this before Del. Cheers.
Thanks so much for your kind words of support mate, it is a lot of work on these.. but it's pretty simple and straight forward.. Not done it on this particular model before, but thanks to Harley's being pretty generic it's no drama, experience on other various bike all makes this familiar..!
Wow, I thought changing the belt on my Indian was a pain. This is a lot of work, but like you said time to look at other stuff while it is apart.
I've never worked on a Harley, so it is neat to see all this. Well done.
Thanks Jason, always good to hear form you mate. !
Wow what a lot of work to change a belt!! Good on ya, Del, I always enjoy the garage time with you both! Have a great weekend!
I do love a Harley and am a fan of belt drive as it's so much cleaner than a chain and simples day-to-day maintenance but honestly that's a load of work 🙂 Loving the vids though. Cheers
I met a rider at a campsite in the Yukon Territory of Canada earlier this Summer who was in the middle of doing this job at camp. His brand new Harley belt had snapped near the beginning of his road trip. I couldn't believe what a huge job it was to change it. Harley couldn't get him a new one for weeks so his wife was mailing him his old belt to reinstall.
Yeah, i can't believe it's this much work either, but there you go, they're reputed to last between 60k and 100k, but personally ive never seen one anywhere near that !
Only down side to this video is I’m finally caught up for the first time and have nothing to binge watch unless I go back pretty far 😂
Nice video Del, I replaced my belt on my 04 FLHRS and I don't recall the manual calling for single use on the clutch chamber casting, is this just for newer models? Enjoyed the wrench session, great vid.
Not sure on that buddy, the only thing referred to that was single use was the 5 bolts that hold the inner primary case on!
A lot to be said for a single sided swinging arm and a chain. I was wondering half way through, just how much more work was going to be needed simply to get access to the blessed thing. I'm sure you know where all the bits go when putting it all back together, not sure if I would!
Yeah, a long job on a full dress tourer.. but by contrast, a Sportster is a fraction of the time due to it's design construction ! as the swing arm bolts INSIDE the belt, it changes pretty much like a single sided setup !
That's helpful Del. I always enjoy watching you working on any bike. I've watched every week for the past 5 years with great anticipation - one of the best bike TH-cam channels by far!
@@David40S Thank you so much for such kind words mate, we really appreciate your long term loyal support!
These are the videos of yours I like to see, I’ll be honest I’m not keen on the fabrication videos, but love to see the “how to” style videos, even better when your showing us the way!
Think the first video I found of yours was the how to rivet a chain and from watching and doing that I’ve done loads on my bike! Couple of big jobs over winter to do and i will be really happy with it 😎
Thank for your kind feedback mate, im glad you enjoy the videos, we try to make a broad range of subjects to appeal to everyone.. Have a good weekend.
Fantastic. Always love your videos. Looking forward to part 2.
Despite Harley seemly trying to make everything difficult I still love em 😊
Safe rides. 👍🤜
You and me both mate... it's always a love hate relationship with a Harley...lol!
In good ol Aussie slang…… “yeah…..nah” Awesome video and even more patience. Well done
Simple job. Disassemble bike. Replace belt. Reassemble bike.🤣 I think I prefer chains.
It's a big heavy bike with lots of parts. So there is a lot of unbolting before the actual job can start ;-) I like how orderly you place the parts, nuts and bolts on the table.Something I've learned from you, having thrown them in a box before. Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg
Sure thing Günter, it's essential to work clean and today and place things in order, so you don't wonder where they go later on, plus a messy shop is a dangerous place to be!
Great video, as always! . That job is a big one- but they do help keep the lights on..Makes me appreciate the shaft drive Guzzi's and BMW's.
Excellent video Del & Penny. Great video mate, full of useful tricks and tips for a job that's not done in an hour. Some people just about die when you tell them how long it takes to do, good thing is they last a long time if you look after them. Looking forward to the next one, Penny and you have a great weekend and stay safe. Cheers .
Sure thing mate, it is a long old job, i think the dealers quote 10 hours, and that's not factoring in any problems along the way.. Have a great weekend mate and stay safe.. D&Px
Jeeezo.... thst's averaging £1200 + VAT before you pay for the parts.... 😳
YOUR BEST VIDEO YET!!!!!
In a nutshell, very involved!
Nice video as always x
Thank you!
Enjoyed this Del, complicated but feel I could attempt this if I had the time (like 3 months!). Passed the time nicely while my visiting mother in law watched Casualty! 😂 Look forward to next vid. 👍
Loved this video Del, so interesting. Looking forward to the 2nd 👍
Thanks buddy.. have a good weekend.
thanks for the great video and buddy-wrenching tips
No problem 👍
Great video Del, I’m not sure if you mentioned the year but it looks like a 2009 or 2010 bike. It appears to be in good condition too. I replaced a drive belt on my friend’s Victory Vegas years ago and it only required a few hand tools. Awesome job on the HD.
Sure thing buddy, almost there.. 2008, and yes it's a well loved bike other then some undue wear and tear !
Well done again, thanks for putting in the work and sharing the experience.
Most welcome mate, glad you enjoyed it.. !
What a great video. Your videos have saved me money, which is why I own a Delboy's Garage t-shirt. :)
Thank you for your support Marc. Glad you like them!
Another superb video Del illustrating with clarity that deleloping a knowledge and methodical skill set to work on your own bike should be a primary goal of every motorcycle owner..,no matter what the make.,manufacturer or marque since it all "translates"....
Highly recommended content from your chanel filmed and edited perfectly....,as always.
God bless
BG.
Thank you so much for your kind and generous words of support. im really glad you enjoy the content and take the time to reply..
Wowzers, definitely seen better days! She’ll certainly be grateful for a new one 🙌🏻
Sure will buddy.. and new pulleys as well.
Hmmm, now I know why my hubby said "how do you feel buying a newer Harley" lol😅
....and would you have a link to part two of this video??
Update coming soon !!
Love this del thank you for your time and vids of course
Most welcome buddy, thanks for your kind words!
Hellfire! Looks like you caught that belt just in time Del...good job!
You said that right!
Awesome video brother ! More involved than I thought but very interesting to learn ! Bike looks awesome ! Finally I got my first harley this weekend brother 🎉 2000 sportster 883 with 7k miles for $1100 bucks 🤙 who hooo , you motivated me brother !!! Stay safe guys cheers from New York !!!! 🍺
Wow, and Congratulations.. Welcome to the Dark Side brother.. now the world changes for you.. you will find endless "essential" things you NEED to bolt onto your Harley to make it better, louder, faster, cooler.. and i will wager that within a year you'll be looking at Big Twins, at least wondering what one would be like.. then a test ride happens, then you're hooked for life.lol! 😂😂
Enjoy the miles and have fun with possibly the cheapest Sportster in the world..$1100?.. Dayum.!
Is that really necessary to pull the swing arm bolt out? Thought it was just primary, inner and outer and rear wheel removal?
You can't get the belt past the swing arm obviously, so you have to drop it out to loop the belt past it!
I want to invent a simple, yet outstandingly clever & malleable pastry joining link, just to enable suitable lengths of heat-shrink toothy belting to be available in every local corner shop.
'Thermally-driven automatic belt tensioning - drop the clutch & ride 'til it twangs Middle C . . .'
"Couldn't be simpler really" . . . as it said on my last school report. Have a great w/e y'all : )xx
Now l know why my Harley is so heavy! Some serious metal in there.
Really enjoyable and helpful as always 👍
Yes indeed, Harley Davidson acronym certainly fits well with 'heavy duty'!
I have never seen installation motor in the frame , i said just wow😮👍🤗😉
Fearless 🥃 I need a drink after watching that video 😂
Nice work Del, on a very involved job. 👌
Thanks 👍
I'm curious how many miles are on that drive belt.
Chains and sprokets require frequent maintenance.
H-D belts should last between 60,000 to 100,000 miles if a kevlar belt. I have a 2008 dyna 40,000 miles on it looks good. 2017 Triumph Bonneville Speed Twin 900, I changed the chain at 14, 000 miles.
I have a buddy with a 1300 V Star that has 160,000 kms on it and its on the original belt. Lighter bike though (720 lbs) than a Harley dresser. Easier job to do the belt, no primary drive to disassemble. I will contact another friend to see how many belts he needed to change on his 800,000 kms 2010 Kawasaki Voyager @@bill_4359
Lovely slick production as usual.
As a matter of interest, how many miles were on the belt?
Thanks mate.. it's just under 40k, they can last a lot longer, and ive seen them shred in half that mileage.. so no hard and fast lifespan on a belt.!
Wow, thats alot of work to change one belt…didnt know it was some in depth. That being said, what else would you replace while your in there?
Always the pulleys, which hasn't been done, and is currently under review!
Thank you
Just for curiosity sake Del, how many miles on that belt? I was told they are supposed to be good for about 80K miles.
There is no fixed lifespan for drive belts.. it all depends on how they're treated, if they're maintained properly and kept correctly tensioned.. and if so, and ridden respectfully, then yes, high mileages can be achieved.. but thats not the case with this one.. Not got the parts yet, but we'll be filming the rebuild once we do.
@@Moonfleet41 Thanks Del. Looking forward to part 2. I wish I had the area to work on my HD like you do. Living in a flat doesnt allow for much DIY.
a really intresting vid both great stuff
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks for watching!
Great video.
What are those gloves you wear, they look reinforced.
Here you go mate. ! www.spanner-monkey.co.uk/black-diamond-grip-extra-thick-nitrile-powder-free-gloves-large-pack-of-50-p-124418?search=SSP57L&description=true
How many people have converted from belt to chain drive (if possible) on these tourers?
All videos I have seen show that it is not a hard job but, you do need space and the right tools. Plus confidence in yourself.
Given the associated gaskets and materials required and the labour time it takes, most like to keep to the belt as it lasts way longer than a chain and sprockets even though the parts are slightly cheaper... as always mate, do what works best for you as they say..!
Hiya Penny and Del, great video. Wow, what a lot of work to change a belt! Good on you for doing it... is this your bike? Take care, my friends. Be well and ride safe.
A lot of work indeed mate.. but not complexed.. and no, not my bike, belongs to a friend. Take care and enjoy the coming weekend.. D&Px
That is a shit ton of work there mate 😂 Thank god those belts dont need changing as often as chain & sprockets... Saying that, a properly looked after chain will last some time.
Sure thing mate, if you were to use a 630 chain, and steel sprockets, and maintain it meticulously, plus ride if respectfully, you might get somewhere close to the life of a belt... heavy bike with lots of torque is always going to punish a chain!
TOP JOB.
at 40,000 miles me thinks he was pretty handy with the throttle or lax with belt tension upkeep or was he unlucky to get something trapped in there, those belts are good for a lot more miles than that.Whatever great vid as usual take care you and penny
It's looking like the pulleys were not replaced, and are a lot more worn than the belt teeth... so possibly a mismatch leading to this !
How many miles are on it Del? Which twin cam engine is it?
39k, it's a 103!
Not sure what you are doing but i really enjoyed that. Looked like a lot of work.. Forget about the pyramids, how did they build that bike is my question :)
Ha ha, they are heavy duty aye.. but it makes them simple and easy to work on.. Have a good weekend buddy..
Can someone explain to me the rationality of making it that difficult and time consuming for designing the belt drive like that? Compared to say a Sportster? It is just mind blowing they decided to go this route!
Certainly Jess. They didn't at any point "decide to go with this route"... the design principle evolved between 1903 and 1920's, and by 1920 it was a revised feature of the Model J. This principle has been retained right up to the modern day M8 engines as a matter of history and heritage (make your own opinions on that)... the Sportster you comapre this to was developed in the early 1950's with the first model K out in 1957... this principle has since been discointinued as outdated.. So what ever your opinions of Harley are, they've been making bikes continuously for 121 years... longer than any other...so i guess they know a bit about marketing aye..lol!
@@Moonfleet41 My question was why didn't they make it easier to maintain, not in any way bash the bike. Not sure about the history lesson, but why make one easier to work on and the others to take apart like a lego set? While Harley has been making motorcycles for a long time, others have made better. And just about any current mech will tell you that the new HDs are junk and a hassle to work on.
My point is, that Harley invented the system you're criticising back in 1920..and the Sportster system you mentioned in 1957... there's your answer, there's your 'made better'... problem is.... Harley are stuck in a time loop of their own doing.. because they have marketed so heavily on heritage and tradition, they can't now afford to let it go and abandon those key identifying features they're famous for.. shame really because it's not like they don't know how, V-Rod, Revolution Max, Buell 1125R etc... it's just that every time they seem to step forward...they close it down anfd step back to 1920 again... And as for hassle to work on.. we're in agreement on that one mate !
Certainly got their money’s worth with that belt. I know a lot of things are easier to work on with the new M8 engines compared to the twin cam but I couldn’t see a way changing the belt drive could be made easier it’s certainly an involved process .
I like your videos. You've gotten very good at producing them.
No unnecessary talk, humor, or repeating yourself verbally. It's as if you are following a script like professional video Productions. Your lighting and camera work are always good. Kiddos to Pitstop Penny for I know she's helps as well.
My only criticism is that sometimes you speak too fast, (it's more a hearing issue on my part) my American ears have a hard time deciphering your accent sometimes.
Thank you, that's very kind feedback... we're so pleased to hear you enjoy what we do! Sorry for the fast speaking sometimes, I suppose when you're busy in the garage and trying to explain things you don't want to take too long, but taken on board buddy! Much appreciate you watching, D&Px
That`s a hell of a lot of work, how long do they usually last?. Interesting vid Del, even though i`m no Harley fan, it shows how labour intensive the job is, and why it would cost a packet if a main dealer did it?.
It would indeed mate, but then everything costs a lot at the main dealer!... On average a belt and pulleys should last double what a chain and sprockets does, but of course as with all things, it depends how they're treated and maintained!
Great to watch as always. Freddie Dobbs has just done a podcast on the cost of bike servicing, and why it’s so high compared to cars. This excellent video shows why. Would this be a £1000 job at HD Del?
Way more than that buddy.. closer to three times more ! They quote ten hours labour, over a grand for parts, and VAT on top !
@@Moonfleet41 Wow, that’s incredible. The value you add is huge. Think I’d give it a go if I had one after watching your tutorials.
What an awful lot of work that is. Please let us know how much a dealer is likely to charge for this at the end. Looking forward to part 2. Have a great weekend and see you next week. Thanks for your great content. 👍
Hi Andy, I can tell you that now, the parts list comes to around £950 plus VAT and Harley list 10hrs labour for the job, so it's seriously going to mount up!
Wow! Chain conversation anyone? Good work Del, best on yt Mate!
Yeah, first thought for most people, but this has lasted 39k miles. you still need to strip the primary for fit a new front sprocket...and how long would that last ?
@@Moonfleet41especially given the torque of a Harley!
man am I glad my Harley stuff is old...🤪
a little advice: always change the oil when the engine is warm, never when it's cold...
Drive belt ?? It’s more like drive chain to me 😅. Sure lots moving parts in there!! Hope you remember how put back together. I wouldn’t mind the challenge myself. Oh !!! Last part is a belt !!! Smile!! Incredible way get to that piece!!
Yes indeed, it sure is a lot of work to get the belt out, but luckily you don;t have to do it very often.!
I can’t imagine the labor cost at the dealership…
amazing job (y)
Great video Del ! looking forward to part 2 ! I cant imagine how much a Harley dealership would charge for the job ! Have a great weekend mate !
Sure thing mate, I believe the labour quote is 10hrs for this job, so multiple that by their labour rate, then add the parts and you're in to a tidy bill!
If part 2 of this is posted, I cant find it. If not, then cant wait to see it . Cheers
Thank god I don’t own a Harley 🤣 👌content as always Del 👍
Thanks Alex, appreciate you watching!
Hi mate, what do you think of Harley Davidson breakout 2014, it seems handling it on bends is difficult!
Appropriate your comments.
Cheers
Mick
Do you mean you're finding your Breakout difficult on bends, or are you asking because it's hearsay? They are a long bike with pretty extreme wheel base, they have a massive wide rear tyre and a 21" front wheel, so due to this construction, they're not built for throwing round bends, they're very much a straight line cruiser... if you want one, or have one already, you'll just have to get used to it's constraints and enjoy it for what it is! If you want better handling from a Harley, then pick something like an M8 StreetBob with far less extreme styling... Hope that helps!
@Moonfleet41
At the moment I'm riding sportster 883, I'm looking to upgrade to breakout which is a very nice looking bike,I'm about 85 kg and feed back I had was on the bends you have to muscle it because of 240mm rear wheel, just seeking your experience if you have ridden it.?
Cheers
OK... Just how in the hell was that bike still able to motor down the road with over 1/2 its teeth missing on the belt? That had to be a real jerky ride going down the road. Lucky it was caught in time, like you said. Shredding off, getting caught in the wheel or doing more damage would just be a really bad day. Love the content, as always, my friend. Hope you and Miss Penny are doing well. LM&R to you both...
Hey buddy.. I think the strip out happened in one moment, not sure exactly as it's not my bike and I'm not aware of the exact circumstances... just glad it didn't result in an accident as it so easily could have ! You both Have a great weekend too, and thank you as always for your awesome support Brother.
I used a 32 inch torque wrench extension with my 3/8 drive wrench to achieve the torque required on the compensator and clutch bolt and nut, worked really well if the online calculator can trusted, fyi. Anyone else have ideas to get that done short of a half inch drive torque wrench
Incredible, I shouldn't be impressed but I am Big Time!
P.S. Hope Miss Penny is Well haven't heard...
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it... Penny's fine, always in the background helping make it happen!
Makes me want a Sportster
Iam glad I like shaft driven bikes Del man that's labour intensive job I had chain driven harley in oil just as difficult to do anything on the back end 😢😢
Love ya dell always and as it should be done right 1st time 👍🏻
All the best from up north Cumbria, mark 🇬🇧🍺👍🏻
Thanks buddy 👍, good to hear from you, have a great weekend!
What a pig of a job to do just to change the belt. Just googled how long a belt last. A long time. Wouldn't like to think how much HD would charge to do that job.
You have to enjoy tinkering, to love Harleys.
Working on them is whats required and what we do. Its a love hate thing.like being married. As you work on your bike thats how you get to know it. Thats the beginning of your relationship with the old girl. Id venture to say guys who buy new bikes all the time dont work on their bikes much. Just my point of view.
My worst mistake was shaping my road star for a Harley-Davidson, retreat it big time
a lot of bits to removed but doesn't look technically beyond most people I'd say. Just time and organization required.
Exactly that buddy.. one of Harley's fortes is their simplicity !
Buongiorno il dado della puleggia è un dado sinistroso? Grazie buona giornata
If the pulley nut has RH stamped in it, then it will be a RIGHT hand thread.
Seems like changing a chain was so much easier. Alan
Possibly...but how many chains and sprockets last 39k miles !
I love how meticulous you operate... :-)
would like to see same video for a older heritage(1985) when possible, thanks 🤠
Why don't they just put a split link in the belt lol.
Could we see a video of the owner being beaten with that deadly belt?
If you knew the owner, that might not be your best decision this week lol
Mmmmm, more fragrant chain treacle...
Japanese bikes are so elegant compared to US bikes.
It was time
Oooo is that a new project bike under the cover???
and i thought germans overcomplicate things that should be simple...compared to that my honda sh300i drive belt change is as complicated as boiling water...
So is the Harley Sportster, it's just the more frappery they bolt on to make a bagger, the more to take off..lol!
Harleys are so weird. My mechanical engineer brain tells me to buy a Japanese bike as they are superior in every way but my simple neantherdahl brain yells HAHA WROOOM TUNNEL and i have a Road King and a Fat Boy! :D
Having worked on both bikes, I can tell you how finite Japanese engines are, by 30,000 miles or more, most Jap stuff is heading for big repair bills in so many ways they are horribly disposable, which is a shame because they're not cheap! But with Harleys, although the consumables wear out like any other, the engine's just don't... just look at the immaculate quality of that primary system, it's like brand new at 40k miles... they just don't wear out and will roll on forever!
Shit. No wonder they charge so much to replace those.
Main dealer is 10 hours i believe !!
One very good reason to never buy HD.