Stationary Steam Engines - Steam Powered Rice Mills in Thailand
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Looks at the whole process of rice milling, with an emphasis mostly on the steam engines that drive the mills. This video, which documents the fast-disappearing old way of milling rice was shot mostly in 2004. Showing the lighting of the fire in the boiler to the final polished rice being bagged. Though mostly focusing on one rice mill, other mills are shown also. Final section shows a modern electrically powered rice mill for comparison. 69 mins.
Fine, interesting, educational and well produced video. OSHA would have a field day here, with the mechanics wearing flip flop shoes, no safety glasses, or bump caps, and no telling what else. I love it. Loved the tracked combine, and the walk behind tractor., also.
It's nice to see a working steam engine on youtube for once, not a perfectly restored show piece. You really get a sense of the conditions they were operated under back in the day.
D.U.S.T.Y & D.I.R.T.Y . Better put it in a museum ASAP. Yeah, cool engines, but be happy not to have work around them every day in such a mill)
Excellent video. Great narration, no annoying music, great footage of all the working parts of this awesome mechanical wonder. This is the pinnacle of great mechanical engineering. The mechanics operating and maintaining this relic have to be innovative to attend to this wonderful system.
Steam, flywheels, fly-ball governors, leather belts, Gump shakers, .... what's not to love?
I remember all this from when I worked in a corn wet-milling operation that generated their own electricity and some of the processes in the plant were built-driven. A dry-milling plant would probably be exactly as the rice millers. This knowledge is being rapidly forgotten.
an very impressive video. excellent narration. excellent photography and very good knowledge of the equipment on display.
hope the mill survives the march of progress well into the future.
most detailed video i have seen on the workings of steam engines, thanks
Thx for taking the time to do the video. I found it quite enlightening.
Seems like the plants were abandoned by the British plants a long time ago and these people just took them over. It would explain why there has been no improvement to the machines since they were built way back when.
Like Samuel Zelter was saying. There is a lot of room for improvement flash boiler, toothed belt for flyball governor and on and on. Based on the kluginess of the mechanics, like a Rube Goldberg invention these people have no money for improvement only maintainment.
In the end the bottom line is, this works and will work for a long time to come. The energy is a byproduct of the production process. So, these plants could be around for a long long time.
It's nice seeing an active working museum in action.
Really interesting, enjoyed it very much, so nice to see the steam engines doing work and running at the rpm. the were made for, not at a museum idle and half rpm, and thank you very very much for not putting music on, you let us hear the sound of the machine. Really nice video 👍
Love the old steam engines NICE VIDEO THANK YOU!
I love this kind of documentary. No music, good quality video and a nice easy to listen to narrator.
Fascinating journey of Rice. Subscribed .
It's amazing to see ,the husk itself used to run rice mill no by product
Thank you for this fascinating video.
That engine is unbelievably smooth and quiet.
Fascinating, wonderful to watch, thank you
Thank you for this (Subd). It's so sad that the country that started it all has almost no heavy engineering left. Those engines are looked after well, all passed down through word of mouth. Just remembered 'Tornado' (railway engine) . Boiler had to be welded in Poland but it shows where there is life there is hope.
And, it's a REAL rice burner(Grin).
Wow! Unseen 😀 Thank you very much for the information about this video
Thanks for posting. Fascinating.
Like the music and old style technology good video love it...!!
Many thanks for a very interesting film. A British Health and Safety Factories Inspector would have a heart attack if he saw all those flapping unguarded belts with the millwrights clambering around them. I am surprised they still bolt the belts together. Even in the 1940's in the UK for flat belts, they were using "Balata" couplings, which are far easier and quicker to repair and do not cause as much vibration, nor do they wear the pulleys out to the same extent. There must have been thousands of the Balata coupling forming machines thrown out by British industry, as it moved away from flat belts or just stopped manufacturing. A missed opportunity to sell all the redundant machines to parts of the world who still use flat belts. If a belt breaks, you just insert a new section of belt with a Balata coupling at each end of the inserted section. Removing a belt is a simple as just pulling out the hardened steel coupling pin from the joint.
i've never heard belt laces called "balata couplings" before. all i know is i despise them because if the pins arent properly hardened, which happens way more than it should, they get distorted over time and are almost impossible to pull out without destroying the lacing, and at that point you may as well just finger splice the belt with epoxy.
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The age of STEAM.. casts a long shadow...industries that built the engines...and societies thst used them...
From a simple pump to very complex factories...
Oh my....
You cant beat HEAT
Please correct me if I,m wrong,(which I invariably are) but surely the steam engine is the more efficient power source. The waste from the rice provides the heat to power the engine, the waste from the fire then feeds the land, or am I missing something?
They are actually very inefficient, as far the amount of power made in relation to the amount of fuel burned, somewhere around 60%, but if the fuel is free, then it's doesn't matter.
In most cases the companies had to buy the coal or gas to make the heat, so that's why they were always looking for more efficient engines.
Water wheels were the easiest way to power mills, that's why so many towns are built near rivers, streams and creeks.
A small mistake percentages are far lower.
External heat engines are very inefficient.
Steam piston engines/classic boilers around 5-10%. Locomotives around 8%. Best triple expansion marine engines until 15%.
Big steam turbine at full load 35 to 38%
Ordinary gas car engine 25%. Direct injection car engine until 35%.
Diesel engines from 35 to 55% for the best ones. Usually a solid 40-45.
Gas turbines and steam turbines compounds Combined Cycle Gas Turbine a good 55%. If the remaining heat of the steam is used for urban heating that goes until 70-75..
As you said, steam engines are only interesting if you have plenty of "free" fuel, or if you want to use biomass directly without transformation. That pollutes a lot also with carbon particles and smokes.
Studies for powering Indian farmers have shown that a simple diesel slow RPM engine able to burn crude vegetable oil as jujuba or sesame was more interesting than steam, or even gasification of biomass for a methane engine, the gasification installation asking for a lot of investment and work.
You are correct, I knew it was super low, but I checked wiki for actual numbers, that's when I ran into this statement.
"Steam engines and turbines operate on the Rankine cycle which has a maximum Carnot efficiency of 63% for practical engines, with steam turbine power plants able to achieve efficiency in the mid 40% range. In earliest steam engines the boiler was considered part of the engine."
The more I read the more confused I got, so I figured I just use that 60% number, and steer the conversation away from numbers.
I just looked again and read a couple paragraphs about Carnot efficiency but I need to have that kind of stuff explained to me, my reading comprehension is pretty bad.
realy cool to see one of these working in the real world ,,, well done
You will e surprised how many steam machines are still running worldwide
Well done ... A lovely little vid ..... :)
Very cool !! I wanna go there on vacation !!!
Awesome operation
I'm already dreaming up a few efficiency improvements to that firebox of theirs.
Flash and fire tube boilers.
Or any real firebox for that matter.
Samuel Zelter It boils down (no pun intended) to capital vs. resources..who needs efficiency when there's tons of excess free fuel....????
+Samuel Zelter Hi mate. With respect, Those fireboxes have been running for I don't know how long, and still working. Although rice is a stable in the Asian countries, people can only nearly make due from producing it. That place will be running on the smell of an oily rag.
+Marcel Timmers While a brick box is a good heat retainer there is nothing else complex about it.
Simply forcing a draft in there would increase efficiency, heating the boiler faster so they can mill earlier.
Grinding the rice waste down to a powder with a grindstone or a rolling mill would let them really pump out the heat, and that would be EASY.
If they really had the money and time, assuming their boiler is a fire-tube type, they could switch it to a water tube boiler, allowing quicker (near instant) water heating, higher pressures, and with the aforementioned firebox improvements extended milling times at greater efficiency.
Very interesting! i see they cut grooves into the pulleys to get grip, instead of using a 'belt dressing' like we would use here in the West. I've even poured molasses on to belts and find it works just as well as the proper dressing and it smells nice!
By the way, is the machinery all British?
+James Bradley yes it is as far as i can see
Are you talking about the large wheel at about 12:50? The grooves could have been intended for a rope drive.
The narrator said there were no markings on the engines, but they appear to have been built "locally" by a Chinese company. Judging by the concrete, the style of the castings, and the other gear used, these engines could easily be pre-WW2.
We never saw the actual rice mill itself?
This place is carbon neutral due to the rice hulls firing the boiler had taken their carbon from the air and the co2 produced will be consumed by the next crop. This video could benefit from CC since the guys voice isn't loud enough to overcome the machinery noise.
Perfect Infotainment!!!
gloves, safety glasses, helmets and just dropping wood chips straight into fire/having it all over the place in a wooden building.... XD
love this!
Any one know the tandem compound steam engines details like where it was built and when and it's technical specifications?
It's so cool!
Thank you very well done
What's the name of this mill? and where's in Thailand? (Tumbon? Amphur? Changwad?)
but does the sale of rice husk make up for electric bill ,,, is it more profit because that drives the decision ultimately
A rudimentary process, in Brazil we use high performance dryers, all mechanized, from the harvest to the grain selection.
Correct but the whole purpose of the video was to show how things were done years ago. Not to show how it's done now. We all know how things are so efficient nowadays,. But we came here to see exactly that, how the rudimentary process looked, all those years ago.
alberto oliveira Oliveira so what
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you give me here, lol ....!
@@richardgray115 The crazy thing is that these "old" processes are still done to this day - even if the video was from 2012. Where labor is cheap and the fuel for your machines is free, steam obviously makes sense. Since they did have a diesel engine but presumably didn't use it unless the steam engine was not working. The cost of running the operation on Diesel fuel therefore must be greater than the cost to pay for the people to run the steam machine using free fuel.
Loved this video.
At 30.53 ,was that bullet holes on corrugated walls.?
Is the engine still in use?
Can dust from processing rice ignite then explode just like processing flour?
Dust from anything can explode. Google up 'Chemical Safety Board' (CSB) and watch some of their safety videos. Imperial Sugar Plant explosion for one.
Oh yeah
I would love to work in a place like that proper engineering no bloody touch screens or sodding plc's and endless sensor faults and no need for a bloody lap top! where do i apply.
i agree too much technology these days get back to real living
Why not rent a place where can you can eschew all technology including stone age tech? There's no pleasing anyone looking for any excuse to whine.
Call Zimbawe?
Stuart Grant
Was this engine in daily use or did they crank it up for you? Why was the diesel connected and the Steamer seem neglected? Great Video.
i was wondering the same
They use the diesel to run the plant when they are doing maintenance on the steam engine. They said that.
Where is the shelled rice
Anyone know about the Stream Engines process in drawing??
or have a information in Architecture???
Please introduce me.
any updates on the research into the manufacturer ?
+oldsteamguy Heyup, looks to me like a Ruston 10HR that has had a steam cylinder bolted to it. The crankcase makes me think that... A lot of internal combustion engines got converted to steam as it was cheaper when you can burn the waste product and then all you need is water! :) (and lubricating oil)
Excellent. Those men are made of steel
51:30 Ruston steam engine. May be, it was made in Prague, Czech republic. Only few years ago , fabric area was demolished by reckless developer...
Ruston Hornsby Lincoln England founded 1918 - Gone I'm sorry to say.
Who make this engine?
Good vid, however I would never buy, or eat anything that mill produced. I guess they do not have brooms in Thailand. But Of course I know they do as I have been there.
There's a decent chance that is the stuff that goes to grocery stores around the world. No idea if that is true, however. It could just be sold to be consumed locally.
its big tell was as a human looking for info in the pic as its slow and nice voice... it was difficult to really feel anything on the screen was neat or cool. or to get any real detail at all as a viewer. and it says half million people watched it.. oh oh oh no!
I worked on engines very similiat to those, 1926 Ingersoll rands, H pattern, one end steam engines, other end ammonia cycle refrigeration cylinders, and very old 1800s vilter from which the ingersolls were patterned,, engines decommissioned in late 80s, probably thre last Ingersoll rand steamers ran in US,
Buck Williams
24.05 and 49.09 , tricky , these governors ran by belt , if the belt breaks the engine runs away !
Thought the same thing but figure there is probably always someone watching the operation while the engine is running.
I can barely hear you.
You sound Kiwi bro.
great video, not a very common engine
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Governor is USA made Pickering...Dave
Who make this engine?
No OH&S there obviously. That belt looks like it`s going to disintegrate anytime. Guys wearing sandals and shorts.
'No no , go back to work! No new engine yet, boss need replace his Rolls Royce!' ) I can see if they got free fuel, then just keep on running the thing as long as someone care to work under those conditions
may be hardware used to tape it or what ever. good day. better to see in person but I am personally stuck in boring massacusetts usa and homless and broke basically. anyone want to drive me in a boat to thailand to see this mill and do an inspection !! and make love with that scale girl!! if the socety is cool with it !!
if its ai. im sorry. not trying to be too picky.
Not playing app
vid hurt eyes and used polarizing and color wheel science to ... make the watch uncomfortable. Be wary this vid is hacked or made this way on purpose and its design is the information on it would be neat to watch and learn. So be very very on the look out for things too good to be true. Also if you were to just listen, the nice voice is always surrounded by a backround of steam too loud. SO all this effort to edit and talk and the stupid desiners can use a tool set to minimize the steam noise the whole time. anyways keep browsing folks and living
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Yearly pressure test, blah......first world problems :)
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Too long.
Too long
I don't think they were made in china
I never new an Asian could run steam. They already are keeping it as non efficient as possible, never send an Asian to do an American or British job.
Dr. Jak G. Cogsworth Really? The Japanese fleet destroyed the Russian fleet at Tsushima in 1905 in what is one of the greatest naval battles. And it was fought on steam.
Yes but they still made the digital clock so that means there dumb.
I agree there
Dr. Jak G. Cogsworth clearly a troll... clearly
No, I just racist.
Note to self: teapot == oilcan in Thailand.
Excellent documentary. Thank you.
wow. have you had any luck finding out about the manufacturer?
Reminds me of The Sand Pebbles
I really enjoyed this, thank you so much for taking the time to record it.
lol that engine was disgusting with all that oil and shit on it
get a life
BomenJager
It's called doing WORK, you might try it sometime !