Recumbent Bike Vs Road Bike: Manon Challenges Hank To A Race
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Recumbent bikes are the fastest type of bicycle thanks to their aerodynamics and low position. But just how do they compare to a road bike? Manon took on James around Castle Combe race track to find out in a time trial challenge.
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The one thing a recumbent doesn't nail - slow mo shots.
I was waiting for Manon to take a turn a little too fast and the slow mo showing the bent on two wheels :-D
But yeah, not much to see on a velo like this, up a steep enough hill you can barely tell they are doing anything!
Hans Device? No.
You can get an even faster 2 wheeled low racer that looks cool leaning in the turns.
@@matejlieskovsky9625 yeah on a hill it just looks like it has a weak electric motor moving the thing.
@@TimpBizkit I was once catching up to two Quests up a hill on a brevet. Trust me, "weak electric motor" is an understatement of how unimpressive their movement appeared. I could barely tell they were moving and I am no fast climber myself. Seeing one of them thunder past me at a ridiculous speed down the slightest of downhills a little later was a different thing entirely...
Credit to GCN for not being anti recumbent and anti ebike, 2 traits I see with many hardcore roadies.
To be fair, most roadies only get annoyed at 500-1000w E-bike riders taking their Strava KOMs. Old boy needing some extra help getting to the shops? Rock on - better he’s on an E-bike than in a car.
To be fair, GCN had a few laughs at recumbents over the years prior to Hank taking the challenge of learning how to ride it.
I don't actually know any roadies that are anti either of those. Taking KOMS is the only irritating part, but I see more getting taken by people in cars forgetting Strava is still recording. E-bikes are great for a lot of reasons and for a lot of people. Recumbent bikes look a bit dorky, but lets be honest, so do most roadies. People getting outside happy and healthy is all that really matters. I'd love to be able to share a climb with a significant other if an e-bike is what makes it possible.
Of course we hard-core roadies are disparaging of recumbents. I mean, they're different from what we're used to, so they can't possibly be any good! 😀 I was a semi-serious road racer for upwards of 40 years, and for half that time I rode a recumbent to work on a daily basis. Loved both of them!
@@silverburn55 Or a young woman cycling 30km to work and back. Or and e-cargobike to move children or loads of other stuff. Everything is better than a car. Sure, the batteries are still an issue, but space is as well and there are already way too many cars. a recumbrent is nice for the same 30km trip if you want to stay dry(er) and not use any electricity.
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard Manon dropping the f bomb in that curve. I swear that it look like a Pixar movie rating 18+.
0:14 Manon arrives like a Bond villain. Could we have the first female Bond villain right here, right now?!
nah, not black enough...
So Rosa Klebb, May Day, Xenia Onatopp and Elektra King were with the good guys in your eyes?
More Manon please!
Having more female presenters in general would be a good thing.
2:40 "54-30 on the front." New Dura-Ace range is impressive, 24 teeth! :D
that inner chain ring doesn't look like a 30. I'm running a 52-34 and it shifts fine, but can be a little clunky. i can't imagine a 50-34. Is that right? Is that some special pro set up?
I guess it's 54 at front, 30 at back
@@Cabomccabe I think he misspoke, it's labeled 50-34 on the chainring
I have a 50-34 so it must be that. I have a 52-42-30 triple also, though in the quest for the ultimate hill climber bike it got replaced by a 44-32-22 with a 9 speed 42-11 cassette. I'm not sure whether the braze on derailleur will handle the smaller chainrings though so I've kept the originals just in case.
@@Cabomccabe 50-34 up front is standard... well no.. common. It’s usually called compact. You’ve got 50-34, 52-36, and 53-39. More and more you’re seeing bikes come with a compact up front, and minimum 11-28 rear, if not a 32 or even 11-34. Personally, I like a 50-34 up front and 11-34 in the rear. For me, the climbing range is more important that having 5 gears from which to choose my perfect cadence on the flats. The beauty of options!!
You should do recumbent vs 2 road cyclists ?.
Ah s***, here we go again
recumbent vs 2 TTs
@@o1s2e3l4p5o6s7e8l9 great idea
I've tried that a few times by occasion (I ride faired recumbents more or less similar to this one). Depends very much on the wind then; with a fat tailwind, a group of experienced TT-riders will beat me, as I have no advantage off them and no advantage from the tailwind. Into a headwind, I have never lost a battle against anything other than another recumbent (that includes E-bikes).
@@4nz-nl you need to use RANS sail trikes on tailwinds
Honestly, this is some of the best and most fun content on the internet these days. Thank you guys.
I love GCN recumbent videos!!!
Strange hearing Manon getting 'bleeped' 🤣😂
Brilliant! Love the experience of a recumbent bike!
Nice video! More recumbents please, they are faster, girls are happier and you can stay warmer inside 😉
and sweaty and we dont get to see their cute butts in tights...so, theirs that.
Never heard Manson let they language fly so much. That was funny.
Hank hit 1100 watts what the fu-
Compare a typical commute between four vehicles: A car, Brompton, Commuter, Recumbent. All four start at the same time going to work in the weather, stopping to get 10kg of groceries, finally to get a pint at the local tavern on the way home. Different tools for an average commute.
Might I advise you guys to checkout the Australian HPV Super Series, you're seriously missing out on the big racing scene of these recumbent bikes
• THE difference in time was 14 seconds, or 6%. Can we have a re-race with a side-by-side start?
• And/or a race over two laps? Five Laps?
• I expect the greater the number of laps and the more watts expended by driver of the slower vehicle:
• The greater the percentage advantage would become.
Thanks for not stacking the race in favor of the road bike. Nice to see it so clearly laid out that the velomobile has an extreme advantage over the road bike. 100 watts less output and beat him by 13 seconds? He took off at 1100 watts... Very impressive. More than double her max output. Once up to speed the velomobile will smoke any road bike at anything similar in wattage. Reference the Trans Am race a couple of years ago with the Alpha 7 that came in a day before the rest of the field, or the 24 hour record which was set by a 56 year old Austrian in a Milan like what she was riding... stock. I want a velomobile pretty bad... weather protection, tons of cargo room and fast.
Manon gets extra credit points for getting into that thing and not having a horrible, disfiguring crash on the turns!
Recumbents are nice and I had a slow one. The most popular one a sun recumbent which is considered by many tk be an old man’s bike. It had plenty of gears I actually forgot how many but it was Lott than ten speeds and I liked it for the seat snd it was like the ultimate bike to sit on at a parade or event where you’d like to sit with a chair and watch outdoor activities. But recumbents of the low cost range don’t have a rear suspension snd as I got older my back was feeling the bumps on the road with jarring effects going right up my spine. With no way to stand up I could not get off the seat to reduce the jarring snd even a soft pillow to add suspension to the seat didn’t help much as we have rough streets here in Michigan with cold weather and potholes and bumps galore even on sidewalks with trees lifting the blocks of cement at times. We have a lot of stop signs as well and although recumbents can go faster at a top speed they lack as much torque from the rider as all force comes from the legs and glut muscles. With a regular bike in the city people have more stopping and starting and getting a recumbent going especially uphill often requires a lower gear and spinning the pedals fast and for uphill that means slower speeds. But the stop and start nature of traffic is also a problem. A recumbent is lower and gets more attention as you are at the level of the car often snd looking at the driver in the eyes if your looking at them. But recumbents which attract attention which is good have drawbacks. Racing recumbents are low and for the track of course they are so low they are dangerous to the driver. Regular recumbents they are affordable and all have a set of problems which include slower getting up to speed from stopping and in a city or suburb one has a lot of stop lights and stop signs. With a recumbent you are slower on average because it takes longer to get up to speed when touring on long flat roads with few stops the recumbent shines especially if the road is smooth.
As I got old I found out I have some arthritis in my neck snd jarring it can be bad for me and I needed a suspension and recumbent bikes have more jarring of the spine. But I can get a suspension seat post on a regular diamond frame bike and even stand up on the bad bumps.
And a front suspension fork is possible if you want to spend the money.
Also since I’m stopping and starting more my average speed it faster without blowing out my knees on a bent. And finally for blind corners or intersections you can almost lean over snd look around the corner of a corner on a street with a regular bike but with a recumbent your wheels are way in front of you and they may enter the intersection before you have eyes around the corner or ability to stand up snd see more of the intersection.
I gave my recumbent away at a really low price to a friend snd he traded it three weeks later for a regular bike. The reason was he almost had a car hit him twice which is something I didn’t have a problem with. But he was used to the stop snd start and use of a regular bike and probably didn’t adapt to the limitations of a recumbent/. Believe me in a rough and aging city with bad street obstacles and a lot of crazy drivers you want a bike with great visibility that stands out and one you can stand up on. I used to think fat tire bikes snd small wheeled bikes were silly and ridiculous. But now I have an ebike in the USA and it’s a low step through frame with 20 inch rims. It gives me power with the battery and it has low center of gravity so it rails snd turns well and can go extremely slow without tipping. It has a font suspension but it’s expensive. It has power and gears but it has good suspension for the city streets snd I can stand up on it. To me the ideal bike would be this with a front fairing or windshield snd a rear fairing behind my seat and the ability to stand up. 20 inch tires of course are bot as good as bigger ones for big potholes but they offer something else. I can stand up and lean forward and have my head over the front tire and the tire is not extending as far and if I want I can pedal at waking speeds on my two wheeled bike. Could it be better yes and I may make mine better. Mine is a utility bike for shopping but if it rains I get wet so I’d like a narrow small roof to cut down on the rain if I hit some but the roof needs to bridge the gap between a front and rear fairing so I can take or slide or roll it off easily and ride without it. And I want it light for lower speed use not high soles although in light rain I have hit miles per hour fairly safely I don’t see that as a goal but something much slower. But I want it light and I want stand up and I don’t care if it sticks out like a sore thumb because I want it to so cars and drivers will take notice. Now a Carver EV or motorcycle would be great but I don’t want to have to stay in traffic and a three wheeled motorcycle is is big for sidewalks. I transition from sidewalks to roadways avoiding pedestrians and cars as much as possible. So I want an ebike but not a motorcycle unless it can be enclosed like a Carver and hit maybe 50 miles an hour bad a three wheeled motorcycle and a Carver sport is great hut to expensive and to close to a used car in price. So I want something approaching more rain protection for occasional bad weather but not a three wheeled motorcycle for now. The proposed möbius halo might be ideal price wise for an urban motorcycle EV and replace my truck for most shopping chores especially in the winter. It’s going to be $7000 base price and I’d it can hit 50mph I can take busy streets and half a lane as a motorcycle three wheeler hut a Carver sport would likely cost m $17,000 to import. So I’m going to focus on getting close to a möbius with fairings but I can hardly compete with my ebike at stock. The only thing it lacks is higher speeds but those would make it a motorcycle snd going more than 15 on a long empty pedestrian sidewalk with no pedestrians is fast enough for a ebike. 30 miles and hour is to fast for an ebike legally but fkr the city streets it’s great as a moped vehicle. 30 miles and hour for a side street driver that it basically a three wheel scooter that takes up a car lane is not enough for me I want 50 miles snd hour in a three wheeled motorcycle almost like a half an aptera or an ebike with all the stand up and sit down characteristics I have: unfortunately for my old guys needs the red runner plus is almost the ideal ebike and shooing vehicle. It’s just to cool as a until the ebike snd for my particular needs a recumbent would never be enough and a heavy motorcycle helmet would also strain my neck with jarring on a moped. So for me it’s w ebike with suspension and the better that the better the bike and low fat tires like Kendra tires and the protection I get with the tire protectors this thing has makes this an ideal bike for me. Yes an electric motorcycle would be fine for me. I’m retired so I don’t care about freeways they are not necessary for me so I could accept a somewhat risky theee wheeled enclosed motorcycle but I hate the idea of having a car hit me as drivers of cars can be crazy and distracted. My goal it to stay as far away from cars and pedestrians as possible.
I want to see London to Brighton velo vs 2 roadies. Also I want to see Steve slade in beano vs whatever the hell you like around that track.
So obviously the aerodynamics from the frame/chassis of the recumbent really cut down on the time... I am curious though: Is it harder to put out wattage just because of how she's positioned? (not being able to push down on the pedals w/ gravity)
Loved the content btw!
I am not qualified.
I believe the riding position would only be a disadvantage with sprinting (out of the saddle).
Yes, it is harder as you cannot get out of the saddle and work with your body weight. Plus accelerating the heavier bike is harder. But once it's up to speed ...
On a 2.5 kilometre lap in the Netherlands with a few tighter (at that speed) turns I averaged around 55 kph/34.4 mph for 3 hours. So it's easy to keep the speed high. But accelerating out of the slower turns at 400+ watts every time became hard during the last hour.
07:55 Yes you did Manon!
Congrats :)
26" ain't dead!
You can't fight physics. The aerodynamic drag of that "velomobile" is probably 1/4 (or less) of any upright bike. 10 uprights in a pack would still struggle to keep up if there was equal power in the velo.
Until you add hill climbs into the picture.
@@percyfaith11 Yes, hills will be a problem for the velo but not for recumbents like Cruzbikes.
@@kufman01 why is that? Is the velo geared higher than cruz bikes and uprights?
@@percyfaith11 No, the velo is heavier and does not have a moving bottom bracket which is the best for hills (in my opinion). Even a light velo will be 40+ lbs for the most part. Maybe a tick lighter but regular recumbents will be closer to 22lbs or lighter.
I want one. If people were really serious about the environment, society would commute in one of those. It would be great if one day there was infastructure to safely ride one on the road.
The infrastructure is basically there, it's just blocked and demages by cars. 🤣
HURRY UP AND DO OUR 5 V 1. YA KILLING US GCN!!
They would have already won in 4v1, if they had not dropped one. What are you expecting for 5v1?
Hardly. Si performed badly.. he was 20 seconds slower than his previous effort, so that somewhat outweighs the Dropped rider.
Not to mention, Si's not using a disc wheel. That would make a huge difference.
Manon you're hilarious! More like this please.
Damn Hank has an awesome form. Badass fit
As a longtime recumbent rider, I would love to see comparison of an average road bike versus a average recumbent such as the linear. Also, too bad you can't include a pain factor for the hunchback position on a road bike versus the lazy boy ride of a linear recumbent.
Mannon in a recumbent vs Si on a TT bike
I guess Si will win. You know, Si is always the fastest :)
That might be a horse race! The course would influence the outcome.
Which muscles get worked on upright vs recumbent?
glutes on the recumbent
Glutes and hamstrings play a much more prominent role in generating power. When I got my new recumbent I was 90 watts down on my FTP compared to my road bike. After six months my power on my recumbent equalled that of my road bike. My fastest hill climb PBs on Strava are now on the recumbent.
Yes please! More recumbent content! Velomobiles are perfect for british weather, aren't they?
no matter what the outcome you look fabulous doing it
What I'd like to see is a recumbent vs. upright fight between riders of equal power - say, in the 4.5 watts/kg range, which is about the level of GCN presents or a semi-pro 'bent rider - on a course that isn't designed to showcase the differences between the bikes. So, y'know, a hundred-ish mile ride through, say, the English countryside in, let's say, the Yorkshire Dales with those quite steep but also relatively short climbs. One-on-one. With an analysis of the data so we could see the real-world differences on courses that human riders would find themselves. After all, few riders ride in velodromes *or* exclusively up Alpine climbs.
6 Roadies vs Manon in the Recumbent vs Si on the TT bike
I really love these videos, big thumbs up👍👍🚲
I would not surprise if there will be tons of recumbent flying by on my riding route trying to take the kom...
I like how sweary Manon was getting in the corners... That looked a bit scary!
Try a flying lap comparison with no standing start. Then you'll really see the differences between the recumbent, ebike, TT etc.
I appreciate the black bars for dramatic effect 😂
Keep up the recumbent videos please
Always rooting for Manon!
Congrats Manon! Great win!!!
recumbent riders to cyclists: I can beat you laying down!!!
The undiscussed point was that a lass was challenging a lad. Different build, body mass, strength ratios etc., etc.. Also, if Manon had been given some practise time, Hank would have been whipped even more - !
But was Hank too feared to be challenged by another lad of similar age, build and so on - ?
@GCN do a long race tour . and its going to be a collab with you and the other global bike channel.
I need a recumbent bike lol
There are recumbent bikes that don't have a shell around them. There are similar shell attachments for road bikes. A truly fair comparison would be one where both bikes have them or both don't. The thumbnail where one bike has a complete shell and the other doesn't told me everything I needed to know about the results and I was not wrong. I've seen lots of recumbent bikes tootling around the park but I have never seen a full shelled outfit b/c those are ridiculous for the average rider who is saving their knees or back or what have you to use. I would like to see a comparison of no shell recumbent vs a shelled road bike please.
Love Manon’s energy!!
awesome video, too bad velos are sooooo expensive and rare!
Brilliant video...can we have access to the 'uncensored version please? Well, that's just the Manon bit mostly I think :)
Bear in mind there is a muscle acclimatization to the recumbent position. Manon, or anyone, could be 12-15% faster when this happens.
The presenters you have now compared to 3-4 years ago... it's the absolute A team.
Awesome Manon 👏👏👏👏
Non-production velomobiles go much faster than that. I have been up to 69 mph in one on a flat road in Nevada. I know a guy who's been up to 89.
Manon is the first person in a recumbent who is not a professor of Comparative Literature with a grey beard.
i own a velomobile and i work in a factory and have a completely shaved head :)
That recumbent is 😍😍😍
That road bike looks stunning
I used to ride a Bacchetta Ti Aero.
The difference would have been greater if they had gone for 2 or three laps straight. The recumbnet holds speed for longer.
Would love to try the Recumbent vs Manon,,, I got the legs to push that white missile to the extreme,, I'm 500% sure I would even kick his ass way more on my open semi recumbent from Challenge than she did,,,
Well done Manon!
Race time results
4:02 recumbent
4:16 upright and the guy averaged 100 more avg watts
There I saved you 10 minutes
Unexpected win for the recumbent, however... Dear Hunk, should you decide to throw away your road bike and get Manon's carbon coffin, please give me a shout
I like this video because Manon lost her composure and let out some good cussing. Hahaha. AND, she beat Hank! I'd really like to see Ollie and Simon putting out max efforts too! Hank seems to be having all the fun.
Hank had no chance since Manon was the rival to beat.
I have been looking forward to this!
Can we see you two compare a two wheeled recumbent vs a street bike rather than a velomobile?
Being totally ignorant about something obviously many people must know...this shocks me.
Now I have to know HIS time in the same recumbent.
ASAP.
Thanks
1 hour track record in the recumbent
Should have put Hank in the recumbent afterwards for giggles.
8:31
1100w jeez
feels like we might need to measure hank’s power in horsepower someday lol
you should have done a dual handicap run
Top aero from that recumbent!
Just thinking what if they borrowed the Lotus 108 pursuit bicycle, how different would the results be?
If the velomobile keeps being ridden by an untrained and inexperienced rider (specific to recumbents and velomobiles), it might be closer / reversed. It Manon was trained for recumbent riding, she would still smoke that thing.
How would that particular recumbent perform in a crosswind? Looks fun.
Roadies have more problems with crosswinds. It makes the velomobile even faster. But you will swerve a little bit when you don't expect the wind.
Manon’s recumbent bike vs an e-bike maybe?
Recumbent vs Blake Sampson...
in a game of BIKE 🤔
Nice vid, though I'll say slo-mo footage is a lot more effective with a traditional road bike than it is with the fully streamlined recumbent. Slowing down the recumbent footage just looks like... a slow vehicle.
Sprint format (one lap) favored the road bike, and it still lost. Ten laps would have been more illustrative.
Oooh yes another one!
That's a seriously cute 'bent.
How about a two wheeled recumbent (Low/High racer) against a road bike... is more balanced and more interesting eh?
Heck even a three wheeled non-enclosed recumbent (Trike) might be better than using a visually alien looking vehicle (that escaped the amusement park) against a classic looking upright (or a super upright in this case)… just my humble opinion.
edit: sheesh... only 12 seconds apart, but then again efficiency and comfort is also a nice factor in addition to speed... so far my conclusion to recumbents against uprights is as follows:-
Uprights:
-Power
-Agility
-Flexibility
-Style points
Recumbents:
-Efficiency
-Speed (not on climes)
-Comfort (this one's a major)
-Dork points (I mean... they're not as common, you get the looks)
as for commuting/daily needs and practicality, I feel like the upright bicycle takes this one. Although I haven't tried to ride a recumbent... yet (someday). but based on what I've gathered, I feel that for longer distances the recumbent takes the cake, but I don't think recumbents to be agile enough around urban areas.
About agility there are very different recumbents, like there are road bikes and beach cruisers. With my Flux S900 with medium seat height and 24" wheels I do have some serious heel strike issues when trying to pedal in very tight corners (nothing I would encounter on the road, but like on the walkway, circling 90° to position myselfe to cross the road at a light or turning around when I took a wrong turn). On a quick test with the Toxy ZR with very low seating and 20" wheels tight corners were wobbly, it's to be ridden fast! The toxy Flite with medium or high seating, 20" wheels and short wheelbase I did some really tight spins in a parking lot while pedaling. With some experience that should be quite agile. Cruzbikes and Flevobikes, where the pedals swing around with the front wheel and the chain drives the front wheel also have potential for very tight cornering.
@2:40 I think Hank meant to say 50 - 34 gears and not 54 -30. I was confused for a bit there......
Yeah slip up from Hank there! Not even sure a 54 would've saved him!
Cool but i had thoght it was a little offshore race boat if i didnt knew it was a bike :)
Manon, yes !!!
Well that's going to blow up some cycling myths - namely, that bike weight is so important - An untrained lower wattage rider with a heavy machine can smoke a highly trained higher wattage rider on a light machine. All about the aero - And she was nice and warm too!.
Heat is problem in fully enclosed bikes since 80 % of your energy is heat and there is almost no cooling air.
Heat isn't a problem. There is as much cooling air as you want it to have. Footholes, aero air intakes. You can adjust cooling/heating to your personal season preference.
And an added bonus: you can ride in cooler shade.
@@hoekie3652 I ride a Milan SL. Heat is a problem! Unless you ride only 30 km/h. I ride almost completly naked no matter if its summer or winter and minus 10 degrees. In summer you will sit in big lake of sweat.
Yes, it will be much better with big air intakes (you won´t recongnise small ones), but you have to pay for this with some speed (but even faster than on a roadbike).
Manon sounding like a proper valleys girl there. Every other word an F bomb!
GRN - Global Recumbent Network
That would get me to subscribe to GCN+!
I like to see a trained velonaut or recumbent rider VS 5 road bikes. But in a 400m spinting competition stand still start.
And in a downhill race. Or even on a 3% downhill road race. Also what would be nice and interesting is like riding to the topspeed of both cycles and see what kind of watt they rides.
We know the velomobile needs less watts. But how is this on a recumbent racetrike or 2 wheeler.
How about an open ended sprint race? We can assume, that the uprights start quicker, but will be caught up with. - Just how long does it take?
I'm guessing that her Watt production would go up significantly with training.
can't believe his gearing? 30/54 and 11/30
I don't need a 54x11
I guess to be honest a 30x30 would be nice from time to time. I thought my 34x27 was small.
Don't let Alex hear the statement about anything fast it'll happen at this track #noFormulaOne
How do recumbents do on steep climbs and descents? I occasionally seem them around on the flats where I live (sans aero shell), but never on the big hills.
On hills they suffer as they tend to be heavier and have less watts because of the position. It doesnt mean they cannot win hilly routes as Jason Perez won the California Triple Crown in 2016. on Dscents you feel more in control
simon's TT vs the recumbent
Now this is pod racing!
simon's TT vs the recumbent
simon with the recumbent vs 5 with TT bikes
👀
Not one TT but two.
He'll still get whooped unless the five of them get a fast start and then block the track.
@@manon-lloyd Do it you know you want to :-D
Here in Australia we actually race recumbents (HPVs) in massive endurance events. You should come down under after Covid and enter the HPV Murray Bridge 24 hour as the GCN team. The Murray Bridge event has over 500 teams competing and would be great for you guys to come and race in. I'm sure my team wouldn't mind having you guys join if there's only 1 or 2 of you coming.
upvote so they see this plz.
They were lined up to do the 24 hour pedal car race at Shenington last year but Covid got in the way...
Can we please get HPV racing in the EU? I ride Audax organized by a local group of recumbent riders and watching the huge cruise missiles thunder past you on the slightest of downhills is a sight to behold.
@@matejlieskovsky9625 There are the World Championships being held in Amsterdam this year in July.
Up
after covid?
not sure if that ever hapoens unless most people got it
whos faster ? 5 Presenters in an Recumbent Bike vs SI on an Aero Bike
Only for Ollie to get dropped a third of the way in because he brought his light-weight recumbent instead of the aero one.
5 presenters in just one recumbent? That will be quite the human origami exercise.
@@ruan13o we need to spice those challenges up, thats why. Also Ollie cant get dropped that way... maybe...
@@Vokunos He can fall out.
@@magguscrow 😂
next: Manon vs Hank's dad on e-bike
yes
Manon in this recumbent vs. Si on his time trial bike (that the four others couldn't catch).
Manon in the recumbent AND Hank's dad on an E-bike vs. Si on his TT bike.
And if that fails,Anyone on anything vs. Si on his TT bike as Si's head will be so big from winning so often that his aero advantage will vaporise.
EMBN already did this on a track
It would have to be an e-bike that doesn't revert to human power mode above a certain speed threshold of say 15 or 20 mph, otherwise the e-bike only has an advantage in a slower uphill race.