The Majora’s Mask Spider House Mystery - Zelda Theory

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  • @ChaoticHoly
    @ChaoticHoly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +553

    Oddly or not, the masks in the Ocean Spider House bear the shapes found on playing cards - Heart, Club, Diamond, Spade - which furthers the "Alice in Wonderland" aspect of the entire game.

    • @stachu5049
      @stachu5049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I've never looked at it that way!

    • @liamnehren1054
      @liamnehren1054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      or just another symptom of the team only having a year to make the game... probably started panicking and using any old thing they could get their hands on. It was always supposed to be an alternate Hyrule but there were supposed to be more differences in the character models for example.

    • @hyrumkohler
      @hyrumkohler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That puzzle was tricky! I remember it

    • @aethermass
      @aethermass 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Nintendo used to make playing cards. Probably nothing to do with this though.

    • @MrMikey1981
      @MrMikey1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@aethermass They still do!

  • @Ninten007
    @Ninten007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +391

    What I love about your theories is that you don't try to solve everything. You understand that if the answer is less interesting than the mystery, it's not worth answering.

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      Thank you! The mystery itself is indeed the most exciting part ^^

    • @Link-to-the-Smash
      @Link-to-the-Smash 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MonsterMaze before the answer anyways.

    • @emperortrevornorton3119
      @emperortrevornorton3119 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Most mysteries are better when unsolved especially video game ones you feel more like an unsure adventurer in strange environment more so than Sherlock Holmes and his unwieldy comprehension of the world and the problems there in and unsolved means that more then likely it will be boring to figure out who, what, and why but the why seems almost self explained protect the temple looking one from thieves the one that looks more like a sea side home I don't know if we will ever properly know much about at all aside from extremely old

  • @SALshaNoma
    @SALshaNoma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    You did say that skull kid is mischievous. Maybe he found the house after it was abandoned and decided for fun to replace the photos with himself as a prank.

    • @katiecat5612
      @katiecat5612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I was thinking similar. He's been alive for a long time. Why can't the house be his and he thought it would be funny to tempt and then curse people with the stuff inside?

    • @SalemKFox
      @SalemKFox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      The absolute madlad.
      Find an old cult's hiding spot, then replace its imagery with pictures of yourself and have people wonder what it could mean for all eternity. That's trolling at a different level right there.

    • @theoaremevano3227
      @theoaremevano3227 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah, that was my interpretation too, especially since all the paintings are the same and looks less decrepit than other objects in the house seem to.

    • @hanburgundy4317
      @hanburgundy4317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Same. I always thought the Skull Kid put them there himself. The witch who runs the Pictograph contest knows who the Skull Kid is, so maybe he entered at some point and - like Link - was given a free Picto Box. Makes me laugh thinking he just took a bunch of pictures of himself every time and never won the contest, and THATS why he attacked the witch.

    • @Draezeth
      @Draezeth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I suspect the pictures might have some sort of enchantment that makes it show a different picture for anyone who looks at it.
      I have absolutely zero leads for this, but hey, cursed object. As for why Skull Kid, well he's what Link is striving toward. They're bound by the web of fate.
      I dunno. It's just a thought.

  • @adithya260
    @adithya260 2 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    Not seeing the bomb explode so many times hurt me so the ending made it all the more satisfying.

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Gald you stuck around until the very end haha ^^

  • @ryansteiskal8960
    @ryansteiskal8960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    I always interpreted the Swamp Spider House to be a temple that was excavated by a group of some kind, hence the areas that appeared to be "under construction". The wooden areas are scaffolding similar to that seen in archaeological digs.
    As for the Ocean Spider House, this place is very scholarly in appearance, with the library and even the message on the door that hints to a place seeking knowledge. With all the artifacts within the house, I assume this was the place where all that was taken to the from the swamp spider house temple was kept, and brought with them, the Spider's Curse. Perhaps, the missing eye jewel from the golden spider statue could even be be found in the Ocean House, further connecting two.
    Whether or not this is an untold story of cult worshippers or just cursed scholars, hard to say, but I get some classic Indiana Jones/Archeological Adventure vibes from both locations.

    • @liamnehren1054
      @liamnehren1054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      honestly that was what I thought too, the ocean house looked more designed as an ancient library/museum/storage area the spider motif there might just be to fit objects on display that they have excavated from the swamp among possible other locations cut due to the development teams famously short schedule. The main room of the swamp one on the other hand is obviously a temple with the "unfinished" rooms feeling like they were slowly excavating from that main room. The wierdest part of this whole thing is how both ancient ruins are in better condition than most other ruins in the game... even the ones in similar conditions or even better ones! suggests that the spider house members were actually better mages than most. Suggesting Hylians over humans, Gorons or either of the forest tribes of the game, sadly also the Zora since even in BOTW their amazing structure is just constantly repaired as evidenced by the opal gathering side quest.

    • @corpselight7989
      @corpselight7989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      This changed my mind on the idea of the two!
      The Ocean area has a scientist just offshore, so maybe there was some venture to the Swamp temple and they had some investigators. The curse could affect EVERYONE involved, since curses are weird and malleable with how they work based on malice or hatred. Since the studious house is more of a chamber to meet in and study, maybe a revival of some spider based belief system happened, or just a desire for treasure.

    • @Sarah_H
      @Sarah_H 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Which would explain why there are just...these two random coffins in the storage room of the Oceanside Spider House. Maybe they were dug up from underneath the giant tombstone in the Swamp Spider House and taken to the Oceanside Spider House for study?

    • @ryansteiskal8960
      @ryansteiskal8960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Sarah_H That's a pretty good observation! Kind of makes for a missed opportunity to have a gibdo roaming about the place.

  • @HylianDan
    @HylianDan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    What always stood out most to me about the Swamp Spider House was how final room’s underground tree (with the gossip stone in front) felt like it was foreshadowing the tree inside the moon with the kid sitting in front.
    And the final room of the Oceanside House seems to have a falling moon motif.

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Oh that is indeed a nice catch! It would be awesome if it indeed turns out to be symbolic of that

    • @jeanbob1481
      @jeanbob1481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Possible, both of them have serious religious undertones.
      Religion in Termina is most likely linked to the moon so this spider house must have been some kind of heretic doomsday group that wished for the moon to fall.
      They have to hide from other humans so they build their temple of worship near the zoras and near the dekus.
      Oceanside being the place they lived and the Swamp place being some kind or worshipping place.

    • @pustota7254
      @pustota7254 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your comment got liked 69 times.

  • @tristemsaris7739
    @tristemsaris7739 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    When I was a kid I was facinated by the ocean spider house and thought it was very homey and pretty. So much so I actually drew an expanded version of it with a few additional floors and bedrooms.

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Wow no kidding? That's amazing! It does have a very cozy vibe to it ^^

    • @monroerobbins7551
      @monroerobbins7551 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly, that’s a mood, and really cool. :)

    • @vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450
      @vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It does seem like it could be very nice to live in.

  • @patrickaycock3655
    @patrickaycock3655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    after watching this... there is only one thing you didnt touch on in relation to the skulltulla: the skulltulla tokens. they only appear AFTER a golden skulltulla is defeated/killed. the man at the ocean house will trade items for them, meaning they exist in other areas. (tangent for another day: why does that man WANT them?) tokens are generally used as a form of currency or credit for trade. no, i dont think the tokens are just "trophies" from the defeated skulltullas. the tokens must have a purpose, otherwise the man at the ocean house would not need or want them. one thing to note is that the tokens have a small flame like aura, reminiscent of souls. if the tokens contain the souls of the departed (which race's souls unknown), then that would give them great value as they could be used in some kind of ritual, possibly at the swamp house (really should be called a shrine or temple eh?). anywho... heart this comment if you see it don. if not... i may DM you later on discord about it.

  • @HyruleGamer
    @HyruleGamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    Very nice looking thumbnail sir! Gonna watch this before having to head out for the train, brilliant timing! 🙏💪

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Gonna watch your new TP theory tonight as well ^^!

    • @Cliffordlonghead
      @Cliffordlonghead 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sorry pls unban me

    • @Cliffordlonghead
      @Cliffordlonghead 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hell0

    • @Cliffordlonghead
      @Cliffordlonghead 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      U do realize u just anger the admin right?

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Cliffordlonghead I'm not following.. are you talking to me, or to Hyrule Gamer?

  • @PrettyLittleLiar1611
    @PrettyLittleLiar1611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    I’m always so excited when you post a video about majoras mask :)
    I speak Japanese so I looked into some Japanese zelda forums about the grave in the swamp spider house and apparently it can be read as クモヤカタ シユシン ココニネムル or “kumo-yakata shiyushin kokoni nemuru” which means: “those who come from the spider house sleep here”. They also mentioned that it was a rare sight to see hyrule script written top down and read right to left (like traditional Japanese) as it is usually written horizontally left to right.
    Note for other Japanese speakers: the forum posters mentioned that the “シユシン“ was dubious. My interpretation is that “出身” is the closest match since it makes sense contextually

    • @ginton1964
      @ginton1964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      シュシン can also mean 主神 which can either mean "chief god" or the person who lead rituals during the Dazaifu jurisdiction. Which would change the stone monument's meaning to imply that it is either a monument to their deity or to one of their religious leaders.
      What I find dubious is if it really is シュシン or not because the latter two characters have a lot missing. I think I can see it, but the entire characters aren't there, like they had parts erased.

    • @PrettyLittleLiar1611
      @PrettyLittleLiar1611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@ginton1964 thanks, I think you’re right, 主神 makes more sense than 出身. It’s also more fun theory wise :)
      The characters do seem to be written messily on purpose though. They almost look like they’ve been written by brush stroke to me.. and that plus the reading direction point definitely strengthens the claim of how ancient these places are.

  • @emidemi7211
    @emidemi7211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Children who get lost in the forest also turn into Skull Kids. Maybe the houses were built by a group of Skull Kids, not necessarily the one who stole Majora's Mask. Though it's true that they don't really seem like the type to build underground temples, spiders do mostly appear in "forest" areas, like in Woodfall Temple and more notably the Lost Woods. It's not impossible that there's some connection there.
    The Spider Houses make for one of my favorite parts of Majora's Mask, especially in terms of gameplay, so it's cool to see them covered! There's so much to uncover in Termina.

  • @Titin-oz6jh
    @Titin-oz6jh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Small thing but Hirake probably just refers to opening the door. It can be used like this in Japanese at least.

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Ah gotcha. it's a bit of an obvious thing to put on a door, but it's definitely why it could be on there

  • @patrickaycock3655
    @patrickaycock3655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    6:36 id really like to know why that skulltulla is moonwalking. this is a mystery that needs solving. it is imperative to the lore

  • @moldomre4838
    @moldomre4838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    That intro just makes me love Majora's Mask even more.
    I'd love to watch just a video of different Termina landscapes with the Song of Healing playing in the background. Very cool.

  • @Mitzi_DelverVRC
    @Mitzi_DelverVRC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I cracked up at the foundations shaking from the bomb. Good show, mate

    • @Mitzi_DelverVRC
      @Mitzi_DelverVRC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thatname260ye Yeah, but the timing in the edit was brilliant

  • @oittisallen4057
    @oittisallen4057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is a good theory research. My kids love to watch the spider house guys waving their hands up and down. Similar to the guy in Ocarina that loves to trade stuff. The guy just slaps his knees continuously.

  • @Casual_PKBeats
    @Casual_PKBeats 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What I really love about Zelda games in general is that freedom to come up with the lore behind settings. It really mimics that idea of stumbling upon some ancient, hidden location. At some point, it'll be practically impossible to piece together its origin exactly, so just viewing it as its own piece of isolated lore and history and appreciating the culture and set pieces is still insanely interesting and really helps build the world even more. Loved the video!

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    6:33 I love this part. The way you can hear the bomb explode muffled and dust falls from the ceiling in the next scene is perfection. XD

  • @setteplays
    @setteplays 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I love discussions about obscure topics like these!
    I never think about the environments and videos like this show me how much nintendo cared about a narrative, even if a loose and obtuse one.
    If you ever find the inspiration to do it, I'd love to hear (and see these gorgeous visuals) you talking about the Oracles games and even Four Swords Adventures (there are a lot of obscure lore details there).

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Oh yeah I usually am quite oblivious to the environment as well when I first play games, haha. It isn't until some time later that I go back and see everything interesting I missed.
      I'm definitely looking to cover more 2D zelda games. Only doing 3D games will no doubt get stale. The Oracle games also happen to be one of my favourites! ^^

    • @setteplays
      @setteplays 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MonsterMaze I'm not against 3D only too, especially when you bring topics like this one.

    • @phelpsnodt5856
      @phelpsnodt5856 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@setteplays We play too focused on the mechanics and grinding. I'm totally oblivious to these elements prior to some youtuber making videos about them as well. xD

  • @maddyhodges63
    @maddyhodges63 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think it's neat that the masks in the dining room have the different suits from a typical pack of cards. Four suits, four masks, four giants? Hmmm...

  • @dany_fg
    @dany_fg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "screw photosynthesis I suppose" at 07:57 has to be my favorite line here

  • @TheCreepyLantern
    @TheCreepyLantern 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i always assumed the pictures were hanging there because the Curse was yet another thing he did with Majora's power

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I thought that too at first. But whenever you find an obstacle in the game related to him, it has an icon of Majora on it. Like on blocks and balloons etc. Not a pic of Skull Kid.

    • @no1guy825
      @no1guy825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MonsterMaze this flows nicely with the ancient chaos that Majora probably reaked upon Termina before he was imprisoned in the mask.

  • @JazzyWaffles
    @JazzyWaffles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    17:49 the first three characters on the left are almost definitely "kokoni", the second(?) character in the second column appears to be "yu", and I think the last symbols on the third column look like "eta", so it's almost certainly written in the Hylian script from the original versions of OoT and MM (before a bunch of it was replaced with Wind Waker's Hylian script).
    >kokoni(?)(?)(?)
    >(?)yu(?)
    >(?)(?)(?)eta
    "Koko ni" is "Here (object marker)", and "-eta" sounds like the ending of a verb to me, so maybe this is a common or stereotypical Japanese gravestone inscription transcribed in Hylian? Something along the lines of "Here lies a friend", or something like that?

  • @Paradox-xm9zq
    @Paradox-xm9zq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The oceanside spider house is one of my favorite areas in the series when it comes to atmosphere. It's so mysterious

  • @Kazooples
    @Kazooples 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I like to think Skullkid snuck in and changed the paintings to photos of himself, probably with a stolen picto box, it seems like something he’d do.

    • @Arrowz_88
      @Arrowz_88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But when Link arrives, the house is walled up. Link has to blow up the wall. 💣 🧱

    • @Kazooples
      @Kazooples 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Arrowz_88 you think skullkid can't get into a house with Majora's mask without blowing up a wall? That kids got secret powers we can't fathom, he could be in my kitchen right now and I'd never know

    • @Arrowz_88
      @Arrowz_88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kazooples The wall was not blown up at all though. It had been sealed off long before Link entered the house.

    • @Kazooples
      @Kazooples 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Arrowz_88 There could be a back entrance we don't see in game, it's just a fun idea not a serious theory

    • @Grencye2
      @Grencye2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Arrowz_88 Or he could just phase through. Or maybe he's the one who sealed up the wall? @Kazooples, definitely thought the same exact thing lol. That he claimed the house as his own for a little bit before getting bored of it.

  • @robinisoffline2817
    @robinisoffline2817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Still enjoying every single video you put out. The footage alone makes me appreciate the beauty, creativity and mystery behind this game so much. For the longest time I was convinced that OOT would remain my all time favourite videogame, but MM is definitely the most captivating.We'll never see a Zelda game like this again. I believe your conclusion about mystery and not knowing goes for the entire game. As we and Majora's Mask grow older, the story and the world in which it takes place seem to increase in space for philosophy and other question marks.

  • @annagarlicjaws
    @annagarlicjaws 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t think I realized how beautiful Majora’s Mask 3D looks until I saw this video. I’ll have to play it again and appreciate the textures & scenery more! Great video, as always!

  • @KUMAKURA
    @KUMAKURA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I bit my tongue laughing at Link putting a bomb next to the masked dude. The mark of excellent comedy lmao

  • @SevoraLF
    @SevoraLF 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You and Zeltik make the best Zelda content on TH-cam, a tier above the rest. Keep it up and early congrats on 100,000 subscribers

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Aah thank you! That means a lot to hear. Zeltik is an insanely good creator ^^

  • @FreedomAndPeaceOnly
    @FreedomAndPeaceOnly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ocarina of Time & Majoras Mask
    both gave me unique feelings
    for the first time as a Gamer.
    Praise the nostalgia. \ [T] /

  • @danwg3368
    @danwg3368 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any video that goes into something about Majora's Mask that hasn't already been talked about a million times is quite welcome by me. Loved it!

  • @KestralKuthule
    @KestralKuthule 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Those four coloured masks have the symbols of playing card groups. One of the games you can play with playing cards is spider solitaire.
    Coincidence. I think not.

    • @lanasmith4795
      @lanasmith4795 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But Spider Solitaire is not a four-player game

    • @KestralKuthule
      @KestralKuthule 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lanasmith4795 it's an isolated solitary location though. Plus given the references to Skull kid who was left alone by his four friends..

  • @draconianfire
    @draconianfire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you know what? i think they started in the ocean house, got rich through dog racing, and started building the swamp house. that's why it's so ornate.
    love the vid.

  • @Cman04092
    @Cman04092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is that a zonai swirl? Oh, wait... wrong game.

  • @TheNN
    @TheNN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Going on the notion of the ocean-side spider house being more 'homely', perhaps the idea about the group who made it potentially knowing about the Skull Kid bringing down the moon, so they made it, not for themselves, but for those in the future. As you said, the group isn't necessarily 'evil', so this could've been a place meant more for hope. After all the place seems to have everything a person could need to rebuild society after 'the end'. The only problem being that nobody who knew about it survived until the present day in Termina, and even then only one random guy happens across it at all, and only THEN if you clear the place out to begin with.

  • @mickkelley3776
    @mickkelley3776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Hirake" in this case likely means "to be opened up" as, you know, it's a door.

  • @Thatturtlethatsaysmeanthings
    @Thatturtlethatsaysmeanthings 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:21 “iS ThAt A zONaI SwIRL!?!?”

  • @jessica-ov6js
    @jessica-ov6js 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always enjoy your theory videos 💕
    They have a beginning, the history - a middle, what happend - and an ending, your thoughts on it. Always with images or videos. I just love your way of making videos, you spoil us 😁

  • @staretimecomics
    @staretimecomics 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Played this game, beat it a few times. Never occurred to me how truly SINCERELY creepy the silent young man in the field is. Only visible from the telescope. A ghost? Nah, those aren't real. Creepy.

  • @nickcrook4663
    @nickcrook4663 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Good stuff. Unique Zelda theories seem to be in short supply these days.
    If you’re looking for more material, I have an in depth theory about how and why the mummified corpse in the BOTW2 trailer is really…. Groose.
    Keep up the good work. It helps to have something to keep me entertained until we get some more news on the new game.
    Cheers

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mummified Groose confirmed!

  • @monroerobbins7551
    @monroerobbins7551 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One theory I had was that the people who were in those houses were studying what happened so long ago. That would explain the four mask imagery, and why they would have the skull kid’s portrait on the wall; he’s the imp from legend. As for the spider imagery, A) the golden spiders were probably a really fascinating point of study, and B) it’s creepy. Creepy enough to symbolize both a manipulative cult, and creepy enough to keep other people out, since… well, they’d be skeeved. That was my theory as a kid, anyway.

  • @psychogoreman198
    @psychogoreman198 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Freakin’ love the Skulltula’s, even have one tattooed on my hand!

  • @lagiacrush3882
    @lagiacrush3882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Prob some of the highest quality MM footage you can find.
    Mad respect.

  • @captainbara1665
    @captainbara1665 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:33 The repeating gag with the bomb had me rolling :'D the subtle muted explosion sound after the scene cuts away.

  • @Ninjaananas
    @Ninjaananas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always liked Spider Houses and the mystique around them. And I like their architecture.

  • @anthonibrookshire3867
    @anthonibrookshire3867 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sarcophagi. This is why I watch Monster Maze. Education at its finest, my man. Thanks for the new knowledge.

  • @mewtubes7417
    @mewtubes7417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i think my favourite part of the zelda franchise are the ancient locations and backstories, playing zelda games and finding areas such as the spider houses or zonai statues from botw that provide lore in a way that doesn't fully explain everything is always such aunique experience that give this very strange melancholic sense of mystery that no other franchise can really replicate. it may be due to the darker tone of zelda games but the theories surrounding them have always intrigued me and this theory is an especially good one nice work.

  • @TheForestFaye
    @TheForestFaye 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think we are ignoring an important detail: spider infested places are signs of abandonment. There are japanese folklore that revolve around not taking care of your possessions and of abandoned buildings. The fact that Hirake is found on the decaying doors of the Great Bay Spider house is also meaningful in some why: maybe its curse comes from this "a closed/decaying building forced to be open/improved" since spiders build they could be seen as the ones improving it. Where in the Swamp Spider house that is a shrine, it is a place of worship where no one worships, these spiders could have brought "the curse" as they are now the occupants of the shrine, they are the ones who give the shrine purpose; their curse is a defense one not a malice one.

  • @Tahkaullus01
    @Tahkaullus01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:34 Ah, I see Link has taken to the ways of the Garo.

  • @hiddendesire3076
    @hiddendesire3076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:32 Except that Majora’s Mask uses a similar motif for the eyes as the Fused Shadow Mask which was made by the Twili. Even the Ikana and Garo are similar to the dynamic of the Royal Hyrulian Family and the Yiga, whose leader oddly enough uses the same fight style as the Garo’s leader.

  • @funnygermandoctor
    @funnygermandoctor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe the group have pictures of the Skull Kid because they knew what he did or was about to do, and so they were planning cursing him trying to lure him into their on-purpose-build fancy bases. Since the Skull Kid liked to steal and rob stuff, they figured he would check the places out.
    Damn my english is crap

  • @TwistedMecha
    @TwistedMecha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm surprised more people haven't talked about these houses.
    I'd forgotten about them...

  • @evilmidget
    @evilmidget ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both spider houses, I have theorized, were built by the Garo. The Swamp Spider House was meant to be a luxurious bath house while the Oceanside Spider House was a dwelling of a Garo monk. The theory of the Stalchilds being there is a messed up one. It was a case of a portion of the Ikana army being tricked into going there and being trapped.
    The Garo were also responsible for the Stone Tower in another case of deception which lead to Ikana's downfall

  • @Infernalisk
    @Infernalisk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In The Majora's Mask Manga's there's a story explaining the origins of the Majora's Mask.I don't know whether it's canon or not but it says that a long time ago in some ruins in a desert there was a dragon who had this magic armour and everyone wanted a little bit of it,then this guy appears and tricks the monster into killing itself.He then carves a piece of the armour into the shape of a Mask.
    The mask is the majora's mask,the guy probably represents The Fierce Deity and the dragon could be the spirit inside the mask itself.As for the desert area I believe that it's the stone tower temple,just before its construction.There's a lot of Mask symbolism in there come to think of it so I suspect it was built to strengthen the seal on the mask.The people who created it were the ancestors to the Garo who arrived from a portal in the surrounding area.They would quite likely use the place with all the strange cut outs hanging down as some sort of shrine or hideout and it would've served them well during the battle between them and The Ikana Kingdom!
    That's my theory on this anyway!

    • @astery5410
      @astery5410 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately the mangas are not canon but that's still interesting

    • @Infernalisk
      @Infernalisk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@astery5410 Thank you!

  • @Tesseract95
    @Tesseract95 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow the color in this game blow my mind

  • @sandro_sullivan
    @sandro_sullivan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah! I will always enjoy a well made Majora's Mask theory. Nice work! :)

  • @mmmmyeah1849
    @mmmmyeah1849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I seriously feel so happy whenever you post, lovely video as always ♡

  • @edwardmorvan5809
    @edwardmorvan5809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love your videos, they're so well made. Thank you for your work!

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And thank you for watching them!

  • @johnwright2217
    @johnwright2217 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skull kid paintings in the ocean house are interesting. The four masks in the "conference" room look like the giants, and we know that both are REALLY old.

  • @Josuh
    @Josuh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    last time i watched this channel you had around 8k subs, glad to know how far you've grown, cheers

  • @Zeldahol
    @Zeldahol 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Monster Maze, the aliens created Termina, and built the spider houses. That's why they needed milk. You see, Gorman was out of it, the aliens bribed him to steal the zora eggs and sell them to the pirates. Self sabotage.... but the aliens still got their milk.

  • @queenofraging9274
    @queenofraging9274 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always a good day when I see you upload. Thank you

  • @sheimr1882
    @sheimr1882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The masks on the wall at 13:27 also have symbols depicted on them. They look like those from playing cards, as in poker and alike. I don't know if this is relevant though, but it's a neat little detail.

  • @hayleystubbs591
    @hayleystubbs591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video as always! :D
    I've always liked all of the mysteries surrounding Termina (honestly Temina itself is one big mystery lol)

  • @ianbutler24
    @ianbutler24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Maybe the four giants were once "human" the equivalent of the Hyrulian sages and that the spider religion was started from a slinter group from the people who created the stone tower. They left because they saw that The Tower was dark and malicious but as they gathered knowledge and practiced magic trying to guide the people of Termina and they created something like a Triforce, maybe the tower finished developing a weapon or artifact that would ultimately result in the fall of Termina so without much time to prepare they used the artifact to help give them the ability to "create" Termina which ultimately led them to changing into lesser deities which guided the people of Termina effectively creating the region not physical from the ground up but from a civilization similar to how Hylia guided the people of Hyrule.
    The curse could be a byproduct of not preparing the ritual correctly as we have all seen in previous Zelda games on what happens why you mess up a ceremony or spell. It'd also explain the skullkid photos everywhere a regret or maybe a failed attempt at divinity?
    But anyways I hope what I wrote made sense but I loved the video I always look forward to them.

  • @stevefelber
    @stevefelber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the new intro, Monster Maze! Keep it Up!😊

  • @stevefelber
    @stevefelber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we just TALK about how amazing that music for the beginning of the chapter 'The Spiders' Curse'?
    It's awesome, Monster Man!

  • @erreur2319
    @erreur2319 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I really enjoy your content. I love how passionate you are about Zelda and the serious work you're puting together for all of these videos. I always learn a lot with you. My favorite Zelda TH-camur. Trust me your channel is going to explode once Nintendo reveals BOTW2.

  • @ungenbunyon5548
    @ungenbunyon5548 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video =] can't wait for you to reach 100k! I predict you'll hit it before this week is through

  • @kavius8215
    @kavius8215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just a random thought, but what if the reason they have the paintings of skull kid is because they were studying the curse of the lost woods that gave him immortality(if skull kids are just children that get lost in the woods)? They may have wanted to try to reproduce the immortality effect without losing their memories or minds and ended up making the spider's cure. Another possibility is that they were trying to find a way to reverse the curse on skull kid, and they decided that the best way to do that was to figure out how curses worked in general. This study led to the creation of the spiders curse. Just a theory.

  • @CoralCopperHead
    @CoralCopperHead ปีที่แล้ว

    6:37 Well done, that was hilarious.

  • @andymeadows8904
    @andymeadows8904 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    An outrageous theory that works off of parallels. Looks like you put a lot of work into this.

  • @Cirnonono
    @Cirnonono 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Instead of the spiders curse being aimed at 4 individuals, what if each spider is a follower of this cult and the 4 masks represent the leaders? Maybe they created something out of their control before the second house could be completed.

  • @nicholaszacharewicz693
    @nicholaszacharewicz693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The spiderhouses might just be separate, video game-y levels, but I think the designers probably had some kind of lore they built up around them amongst themselves. Thanks for some food for future theories!

  • @ATakTakTak
    @ATakTakTak ปีที่แล้ว

    This video made me realize that the Majora's Mask has four pairs of spikes in its lower half and one pair on top, that when looked upside down COULD be interpreted as a spider with its eight legs and two pedipalps...

  • @amirhosseinmaghsoodi388
    @amirhosseinmaghsoodi388 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video.
    You have some good footage of the game sir.

  • @MAZZ0Murder
    @MAZZ0Murder ปีที่แล้ว

    2:16 - OH MAH GAWD, ARE THOSE ZONAI SWIRLS? :P
    I never really gave either too much thought... so these are certainly interesting theories!

  • @bedwablackburn
    @bedwablackburn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see you good sir. This looks to be a good one for sure.

  • @bcpeters1457
    @bcpeters1457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    alternate explanation for the Skull Kid paintings: Skull kid found the house one day, went and saw a bunch of paintings of old guys, and swapped them out for paintings of himself.

  • @kenhollis6197
    @kenhollis6197 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love that all the comments on videos like this one are always grammatically correct and have capitalizations where they ought to be.

  • @HavocHounds1988
    @HavocHounds1988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the ocean house is more like a school of some sort?

  • @adamglover6948
    @adamglover6948 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wump after the scene change got me.

  • @thezodiacsystem2033
    @thezodiacsystem2033 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It could also maybe do with some kind of deity that has spiders as their sacred animal or something?

  • @_emory
    @_emory 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Four masks, four chairs, four giants

  • @gamingchinchilla7323
    @gamingchinchilla7323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In my current playthrough of The Minish Cap I've noticed that there are four masks in the Mayor's house that seem similar to the masks in the Spider House here in Majora's Mask. I'm not sure if you can make any connections there (maybe not) but I thought I'd make a mention here for good measure.

    • @MonsterMaze
      @MonsterMaze  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh that is interesting. Gonna have to find a screenshot of that!

    • @gamingchinchilla7323
      @gamingchinchilla7323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MonsterMaze I posted a reply with a link but I dont think TH-cam's censorship program took too kindly to that :P
      I found an image of the mayor's house interior showing two masks on the wall on a shelf serving as an obstacle for Minish Link.
      The only resemblance that I see now that I am looking at them are the fact that they are wall ornaments and they are red and blue like the masks in the spider house as seen in your video.
      There probably definitely isn't any connections... but yeah. hope I'm not wasting your time here xD

  • @jeanbob1481
    @jeanbob1481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skull Kid is pretty badass, he has two fairies and we have never seen any characters in the series with two of them.
    Not to mention fairy users are all kokiris except Link.
    So if he is not a deity he is pretty close to one

  • @vincenthartzell5391
    @vincenthartzell5391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe they are the gold skulltula? that would explain why you had to defeat them and collect their souls to break the curse (ya know by killing the casters). their reason for doing all this was they're a crazy cult. (But that last part makes it less fun.)

  • @mattfry6716
    @mattfry6716 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and thumbnail good sir.

  • @gadoo24
    @gadoo24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like how the main meeting room in the Ocean Spider House has 4 masks over the fireplace with 4 chairs with each color matching the 4 temples and 4 giants in the game.

  • @capricontra
    @capricontra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    While I can´t say much about the ocean spider house, I do have a theory concerning the swamp house. My favorite zelda boss in terms of fun and stupidity has always been Odolwa. The moment I saw him and heard his sounds, I couldn´t help but pause the game and laugh. But aside from that, I always felt like the bosses from Majoras Mask had a bigger meaning to them. They seem so perfectly connected to their surroundings that they can´t be created by Majora only. Maybe they once were ancient beings that lived in Termina alongside the other tribes. Especially Odolwa seems to be a king who controls his own army of bugs, dragonflies, spiders and so on. I believe that he once used the spider house as some kind of treasure house or even lived there. Since Woodfall temple seems to have been built by the Deku tribe, I belive that Odolwa once inhabited the spider house and his army, that we see around and inside the house were guardians. The stone could be his grave and he simply got resurrected by Majora who used his face/mask as a prison for the giant of the swamp.
    I don´t know if this sounds plausible but I always thought about Odolwas role in the swamp area. Maybe I get some kind of agreement or additions

  • @TheAntesse
    @TheAntesse ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It seems odd that there's only two spider houses and not four. Everything is in fours, in balance. I wonder if there was originally supposed to be four, one in each quadrant, but then two got cut. If so, I'd think that maybe it was a group of four friends who visited each other in their respective homes.

  • @SilentVinyl
    @SilentVinyl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting to see how much details to the enviroment can be overlooked when casually playing zelda or any game

  • @cantolope3322
    @cantolope3322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lets go! New Maze theory!!!

  • @blackwindsignomancy8429
    @blackwindsignomancy8429 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of these theories are out there but ill be damned if they don’t map perfectly over the sense of mystery depth and mystery I would feel playing these games as a child. The ability of the absolute wizards that created these games ability to tap into archetypal themes that I believe exist in the collective subconscious of everyone cannot be understated. And you are brilliant for your ability to articulate it. Lovely content

  • @Cliffordlonghead
    @Cliffordlonghead 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome Video

  • @SpacePaincake
    @SpacePaincake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:39 the bomb explosion LMAO

  • @K-S_S
    @K-S_S 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Truly nice

  • @thatdudemoe9109
    @thatdudemoe9109 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe the 4 Giants weren't always that giant...
    4 chairs. 4 Giants. "Childhood friends"

  • @PlayingItWrong
    @PlayingItWrong 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 Skulltilla, 1 forest child, 4 chairs.

  • @jessica-ov6js
    @jessica-ov6js 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    16:00 I just noticed the colors of the 4 masks. Red, blue, green, yellow. They can refer to the Triforce. Green courage, red power, blue wisdom, and yellow or gold to the Triforce itself.

    • @SunScourge
      @SunScourge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or the four giants; green swamp, red mountains, blue ocean, yellow canyon. Shooting ('disrespecting') them being the key to the hidden room ties into the revered Skull Kid theme perhaps?

    • @jessica-ov6js
      @jessica-ov6js 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SunScourge oh yeah the colors could indeed be referring to those parts of the map with the giants 👍

    • @danielsales442
      @danielsales442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      got a much less interesting theory. Look closely and you'll see the playing cards suits (heart, spade, diamond and club). Seems like instead of having cult meetings there these guys just loved playing some poker