Your videos are always 100% practical and use the simplest tools and methods. There is nobody else on TH-cam that comes close to nailing a perfect video in my opinion. Thanks!
This video is great in that it shows limited budget offload rock climbing. Sixtyfiveford doesn't have a dozen sponsors and a quarter-million-dollar rock truck. He has a 1978 Ford. :)
I am never going to do this but I never fail to learn something from your videos I can use somewhere else. You have the best DIY videos. Thanks for making and sharing Moe!
those chip makers also make decent potato chips. I laughed when I saw the title of your video. I am thinking about what to enter for the Quikrete concrete contest and have been pondering how to make a regular lunchbox into a mini portable (heavy)cement camping wood stove and use it as my entry to the contest. Different kind of lunchbox.:)
One of the best locker install videos I have seen. And since I did this long ago to a couple vehicles..and one about a yr. a half ago, wish I had seen the video before then ;) but I got through it, and it helped I've had a lot of experience with large hydraulic motors/pumps through a early work experience. But it's really not that bad of a job, just watch your measurements and clearances, and take your time.
Installed a spartan locker in my 30 spline Dana 60 rear. Did not have to pull out the carrier, installation went very slick. Road manners aren’t bad at all. With the windows down and stereo off you can here a slight clicking going around corners off the gas. If you stay on the gas it stays locked. Works great as expected off-road.
Wow the locker works. Your truck climbed that rock face with ease. It seems so simplistic, almost like it will wear itself out with the pin forcing the two grippers out. I am getting the paint pens those will come in handy.
I was thinking of buying one of those for my f350. I knew it wouldn’t be hard to install but your video made it much clearer what it was going to take to do it. Thanks much!!
It makes a huge difference in 4x4 capabilities. It did amazing in loose sand and rock crawling this past weekend. I can't wait for snow to see how well it does.
I bought some in the past at nearly $8 a pen but those ran out so I started searching online for a cheaper option. I saw Sharpie made some and gave them a try. They need a really good shaking the first time you use them or else it can be watery and point the tip up when you depress it for the first time to let out any built up gases. Otherwise it'll expel a blob of paint like they all do. I was surprised how long the first Yellow one has lasted me and am on to the Red and White now.
I still have a silver and black one I've had for 12 years or so. Got them from an industrial supply rep, Snap-On or somebody, who was handing them out to his customers. They're "Super Met-Al" I think. Made by SKM. Still available but more expensive.
sixtyfiveford I grew up with old Ford's , Owned every style since 64 bought mega Used vehicles I counted 34 once 6 like yours ,What motor is in yours ? I've got a belly pan and some other parts yet
Thanks, I have wondered about those. I even wondered about using them front and back. No rock crawling for me but in snow and mud it could nice. Even more so plowing with a 2 bottom plow. Never new there was something other than OXE OR ARB. SIMPLE IS NICE.
For less than 1/4 the price of an OX or ARB locker it can't be beat. In the rear axle of a daily driver it would be annoying as it clicks as you turn a corner on concrete, unlike an Ox or ARB which can be unlocked. For a front end with hubs; since you can unlock the front ,you'll never notice as you turn on the concrete and daily drive it.
I have Spartan in the front and rear of my Jeep and the work great for on and offroad use, I run 85w140 gear oil and you can't even hear the clicking in turns.
I have a 95 f150 and it has 44 on the front axle so I’d assume it’s the 44. You’re telling me all I have to do is pay $250 for one and follow your video and I’m good to go? My rear differential is open. Wonder how hard that one would be to upgrade.
Seeing it done makes it look simple, but I don't think this is for the faith of heart, or maybe it's just me...gears and electrical diagrams always make me think of friends who "might know how to do this stuff." :>) Thanks, Moe, the stuff you can do is always amazing and fun to watch!
One thing I remember from when installed one on my Bronco, make sure you have a hardened cross pin. My factory cross pin was not hard enough. I had to use an aftermarket unit.
True, I think it also comes down to how much you use it. Being in the front axle and really only used for rock crawling it'll take me 30years to wear it out.
@@sixtyfiveford I installed it in the rear 8.8". I would've ran the stock pin but I actually read the instructions that mentioned a hardened pin being required. I file checked the stock unit and it bit in pretty easily. Surprised how soft it was.
Great walk through Moe! I've got upgraded warn auto locking hubs on my 1978 Jeep CJ, but the last time it saw mud was well before I acquired it. Not to mention, Indiana is FLAT lol. Cheers my Friend! Zip~ See ya next Sunday!
ZippoVarga sounds like you need to move to Arizona. 360° of mountains and anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour away from many many mountains to go on and many more if you wanna travel farther all over the state. Also Arizona has a website that lets you know most of the trails in every county so its easy to find new spots in different places all over az. Mud? We get mud couple months out of the year
It makes a huge difference in grip. I can't wait to see how well it does in winter as it did great in soft sand and on rock this past weekend. I debated installing this in the 9" rear of this truck but opted to start with the front and see how I liked it. For an axle that is always engaged it will ping/knock as it ratchets when you go around a corner on cement. It does change the mannerisms of driving a little but a lot of guys do it (Justin Raines in the comments below runs one in his Jeep rear). The 9" Ford actually uses fewer parts than I show, but I couldn't find anyone online that has a testimonial for it.
She's a big hit on the 4x4 trails in Moab as it's the only Full Size truck. Or should I say the only non-Jeep or UTV you'll see. People stop everything they're doing to see the old Ford make it up the 4x4 trails.
I have a lockright locke in the rearend of my 76 cj-5. Works great! Just push in the clutch when taking tight corners, just a tiny bit of "click click" from locker.
came here because i have this exact same axle in my cherokee. full width from a 79 f150. definitely excited to get gears and lockers in it. the few high pinion dana 30s ive taken apart have no C clips, the unit bearings hold the axle shafts in. unless they were just missing and i never noticed...
Mine did not last but 2 years with no wheeling .. City driving wears out the hard face on the teeth and they fail to lock and they start to clunk and skip ! Worked great till it failed .. Thanks Moe ..
I thought about putting one on my rear axle but thought about this wear. That's why I put it only in the front, as I have locking hubs. So essentially it is idle until I need it.
That was a fun video. Those Light bars are so dang bright so I rarely get to use it. I did get to play around with it a fair amount last weekend though while rock crawling. It was a big hit as it helped everyone see what was going on. It was great being able to move it around and not blind the vehicle directly in front of me.
Nice demonstration and explanation. I have no experience with that design locker but it looks heavy duty and solid. it should work great for your off roading adventures. Watching the vid makes me think off all the times a have had to pry and beat out the carrier differential to get the carrier shims just right. A royal PIA without a case spreader. I like that .006-.008 slop backlash thing. :-)
Not necessarily. It's just makes 4wd work astonishingly better almost like limited slip they put into rear ends of cars/trucks. A lot of stock SUVs and Trucks have something similar to these as a factory option. If someone lived on a farm or in extremely icy snowy area it would help out a lot.
I have unlockable hubs so steering on the street is no different. Locked hubs though and steering suffers on hard pavement but feels really no different off road. I would not install this in a road driven vehicle that couldn't have the hubs unlocked.
@@sixtyfiveford my 76 suburban does fine off road with the lunchbox unless I'm turning very steep. Then I pop out one hub (short shaft side) and make the turn. Looks like we both wheel in the Rockies so things are pretty similar. Great vid and keep up the nice work!
I'm not sure the differences 50vs 44 off the top of my head. This style locker didn't need with any factory backlash. However even if it did I likely wouldn't have messed with it being a front axle. Why? Because a front axle with unlockable hubs will maybe see 50-100 miles total over it's life.
sixtyfiveford . I can see why you chose that locker. I looked at the link in the discription And was surprised the price of this locker. Plus if you went to air locker you have the extra cost of a compressor etc. Anyway great video Moe. Thanks.
The Electronic Locker is a nice option and I know a lot of guys who use them. It's not as strong as an Air Locker but is a lot simpler to install(no air lines/compressor). The inconvenience of adding the compressor is nice though as having onboard air is always a benefit.
I haven't yet. It's done so well with just the front locker I put that project on the back burner. My only issue, that was an issue before the front locker was the already weak power steering system in my truck. I can't steer on pavement with the front locker engaged so I need to do the common upgraded power steering pump. Dirt, snow, slick rock aren't an issue. I'm running a 9" in the rear and a little concerned about the street drivability with a locker in the rear. I'm on the fence about a lunchbox or dis/engagable locker.
@eaglecot - That all depends on how hard you use them and how often you change your gear oil. Say you go off-road occasionally, (twice a month), and you don't red line your engine while spinning the tires all the way up hills and you don't jerk the steering wheel left and right under full load. You just play around, but nothing crazy. As long as you change your gear oil between 12,000 to 24,000 miles or once a year/once every two years. You should get 100,000 miles out of them. Now if you go crazy and go rock-hill/rock-bouncing/hill climb racing, you'd be lucky to keep the lockers in good working order before the one year warranty runs out.
With an axle that has locking hubs it is completely idle when not in 4 wheel drive. So it would last indefinitely on road. For a daily driver without locking hubs where it always spins I would agree with Jeff at 100k (occasional offroad).
Just wondering, how noisy is that setup when turning? I'm aware that it won't be turning when 4wd isn't engaged, but I can't help but wonder if that chatters during a turn with the front drive actuated.
On soft dirt or rock it will Just slip the rubber to the ground. On solid pavement there's enough traction between the two tires that you'll get a pretty good bang when it skips a tooth. Even then it'll try to skid the tire/chirp the tire on the pavement. There's tons of guys that run them in the rears of their Jeep and claim they get 30,000 mi out of them.
Hey Sixtyfiveford, Thanks for the great video. I have a question regarding the Loctite stick. Does it hold up well even in oiled compartments? I know loctite makes the 242 in the liquid or stick form, and the 243 (oil resistant) is only liquid. Wondering if yours hold up well or if the bolts backed out. thanks.
@@sixtyfiveford Got it, I ordered the 242 stick and 243 liquid, always good to have but the stick seems more user friendly and not a waste. Also was a lot cheaper. Thanks for the feedback.
It made an astonishing difference. The only drawback is the power steering really suffers when locked so that needs to be upgraded for sure. However the Power Steering pumps are notoriously weak with this generation of Ford and the 35" tires alone make it difficult at times.
Only if you can unlock the hubs. I have mine welded, with manual locking hubs it is a PITA when you have enough snow to want 4WD, but patches of dry pavement. Also my truck is mostly for offroad and occasionally when the snow is too deep for a AWD car. And then is is awesome. I think my diff is busted though and am thinking of the Spartan, or I will weld again or get a spool.
Question 1979 f150 ford 9 inch with posi....fluid capacity 3 litres of 80/90 conventional gear oil is full. When adding fruition modifier call for 200ml? I guess just add modifier first then top up with oil till it spill out fill plug. Any thoughts? Whats your experience with oil thanks cheers
If you have unlockable hubs it will last the life of the axle as it's never being used. If you throw it into the rear end of your daily driver you should only expect 20-30,000miiles.
That's an entire different can of worms. It's essentially the same beast as the stock unit but has clutch discs. Here's a great video on it th-cam.com/video/WeLm7wHvdxQ/w-d-xo.html
@@sixtyfiveford I bought a powertrax no slip for the rear of my k2500. It feels the same as an open diff. The only time I noticed it is If I'm hard on the gas. There is no clicking, no banging. Im extremely pleased with it. That's the powertrax no slip. I don't know about the other lunchbox lockers.
@@sixtyfiveford was wondering why you didn't put one in the rear. I see in the early video your rear is an open diff it looks like. Do you feel the added lock would be dangerous on the highway?
@@garysisk3431 It really only engages under hard acceleration. So in the rear you would feel it ratcheting while making a "fast" right/left hand turn. You wouldn't notice anything while going slow while turning and definitely nothing while going straight down the highway. The more it ratchets the faster it wears out and others have said it only lasted 15-20k miles in the rear for a street driven vehicle. But for the price and simplicity it can't be beat and when it does go out it is just a stock open differential. I can unlock the front hubs on this truck so my front axle never spins while I'm on the road. So it will last indefinitely on my front axle.
@@sixtyfiveford Just my 2 cents, got one in a 77 K30 3plus3 14bolt in the back, friggin love it, wicked traction, zero issues going on year 8 now, yes on extreme occasions it unlocks turning hard left or right but outside of that I would reccomend putting one in the back if she does alot of off roading its 100% worth it.
XJ, I had a 1986 Cherokee for years. It had the Chevy 2.8l, which was gutless. I always wished I could drive one with the 4.0l. For a fixed axle with no locking hubs the front end will always be locked, even in 2wd. When you go around turns this will make the front end ping/knock as the gears ratchet. Not a bad thing on dry pavement, just a little annoying. On wet/icy surface in 2wd it can force the front end to want to go straight when you try to turn. There are a lot of people in XJs that run them though.
sixtyfiveford ok so its like welded diff syndrome. Thanks for the reply and I'm still debating as this is the more affordable than the Detroit lsd types
Since I have locking hubs on the wheels the front axle is completely idle in 2wd. If I didn't have unlockable hubs, like a lot of newer vehicles it would make a tick/popping sound as it ratcheted going around a turn. The wheels wouldn't hop.
I know the Independent suspension front axles(IFS Dana 44) uses C clips but I'm not sure what others might. I was more just generally referring to axles; front or rear as this can be installed in either.
Paul Gumper I can tell you first hand a Dana 30 front axle does not have c clips. The shafts are held in place by the big nut on the outer axle shaft that clamps against the unit bearing. You can pull the shafts without taking off the cover. In fact if you unbolt the unit bearing you don't even have to undo the big nut.
I put one in my 90 k2500. If You have a 14 bolt 9.5 ring gear diff. It was easy. I didn't have to remove the carrier. Just the spider gears. That's it. It made burn outs a lot easier. 1/4 throttle to start spinning
Its as easy as the vid shows. Your independent front end is definitely more labor intensive than a straight axel though. No need to pull the diff like he shows in the video. If you have the GM Gov lok rear diff these drop in lockers will not work
I was more so just generalizing front and rear axles. The Dana 44 rear in Jeeps have C clips along with one side of and IFS Dana 44 in the Fronts of a lot of Fords. A lot of Dana IFS axles in the Front of vehicles have C clips.
I have a 1999 dodge ram 1500 4x4 I was thinking about putting one in the front Dana 44 low pinion I don't know if it would hold up to 35s 250hp and it weighs 7000 lb what do you think and a little sand and mud I don't do rock climbing
I need this locker for Pajero 1992 front differential. the gear ratio is 8/39. Any recommendations where can order? Your kind reply will be highly appreciated. Regards
Your videos are always 100% practical and use the simplest tools and methods. There is nobody else on TH-cam that comes close to nailing a perfect video in my opinion.
Thanks!
Wow, thanks.
mdwdirect if you like his style you should check out Mustie1.
Thanks I am already a subscriber
My own projects are close in scale to sixtyfiveford's. Mustie1 is WAY out of my league. That man is like Gandalf the Mechanic.
Completely practical without a bunch of loud music to distract from the instruction. Best locker video I’ve seen.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Excellent tutorial and I was happy to see the ending showing the locker in action.
Thanks. It made for a great weekend of off roading.
This video is great in that it shows limited budget offload rock climbing. Sixtyfiveford doesn't have a dozen sponsors and a quarter-million-dollar rock truck. He has a 1978 Ford. :)
Thanks for the support.
1978 F 150....because they last and are renewable....
I can smell the gear oil through my computer screen.
That smell gets to a lot of people!
sixtyfiveford
Yeah, and it keeps getting, and getting and getting ! 😊 Whew, that stuff stinks !
That stuff makes me really really sick, ever since I was a kid. I switched to synthetic and don't have that problem anymore.
MovingForward o just fill mine with Jizz and problem solved.
I hope he remembered to fill it with gear oil.
Well done man..you explained how it work. most people don't do that they take it apart and install it back. Appreciate that
I am never going to do this but I never fail to learn something from your videos I can use somewhere else. You have the best DIY videos. Thanks for making and sharing Moe!
Thanks for your support! I've been thinking about your cracklin spam video all day!
those chip makers also make decent potato chips. I laughed when I saw the title of your video. I am thinking about what to enter for the Quikrete concrete contest and have been pondering how to make a regular lunchbox into a mini portable (heavy)cement camping wood stove and use it as my entry to the contest. Different kind of lunchbox.:)
One of the best locker install videos I have seen. And since I did this long ago to a couple vehicles..and one about a yr. a half ago, wish I had seen the video before then ;) but I got through it, and it helped I've had a lot of experience with large hydraulic motors/pumps through a early work experience. But it's really not that bad of a job, just watch your measurements and clearances, and take your time.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
I installed my in my suburban it was so easy to do and your video helped a lot
Great video, easy to follow and understand. I like how you explained and showed how it locks and unlocks.
Thanks for watching.
Installed a spartan locker in my 30 spline Dana 60 rear. Did not have to pull out the carrier, installation went very slick. Road manners aren’t bad at all. With the windows down and stereo off you can here a slight clicking going around corners off the gas. If you stay on the gas it stays locked. Works great as expected off-road.
That's awesome.
Wow the locker works. Your truck climbed that rock face with ease. It seems so simplistic, almost like it will wear itself out with the pin forcing the two grippers out. I am getting the paint pens those will come in handy.
Hey Thanks. I write on everything with these paint pens.
I was thinking of buying one of those for my f350. I knew it wouldn’t be hard to install but your video made it much clearer what it was going to take to do it. Thanks much!!
It took the most time pulling the axle shafts, re-lubing the front wheel bearings.
Love my Tekton punches for working on AR-15’s. For the money they can’t be beat.
Great video.
They seam to make some good tools.
Ok that went on too easy LOL It sure makes a difference well done bud.
It makes a huge difference in 4x4 capabilities. It did amazing in loose sand and rock crawling this past weekend. I can't wait for snow to see how well it does.
Bought the paint pens. Been looking for a good brand. Did not know Sharpie made them!
I bought some in the past at nearly $8 a pen but those ran out so I started searching online for a cheaper option. I saw Sharpie made some and gave them a try. They need a really good shaking the first time you use them or else it can be watery and point the tip up when you depress it for the first time to let out any built up gases. Otherwise it'll expel a blob of paint like they all do. I was surprised how long the first Yellow one has lasted me and am on to the Red and White now.
I still have a silver and black one I've had for 12 years or so. Got them from an industrial supply rep, Snap-On or somebody, who was handing them out to his customers. They're "Super Met-Al" I think. Made by SKM. Still available but more expensive.
Where were these when I had my 4x4s in the 70`s
It makes for a fun time.
sixtyfiveford I grew up with old Ford's , Owned every style since 64 bought mega Used vehicles I counted 34 once 6 like yours ,What motor is in yours ? I've got a belly pan and some other parts yet
My 78 has the 351M and my 65 has the FE 352. I also have a 59 and 66, both with the FE 352 as well.
sixtyfiveford Well it'll fit your 351m brand new in box ,are You in Canada ?
Back the it was called a Lincoln lockers. I had a old ford pickup that had a Dana 50 in the front not a 44.
Cool old Ford..... those lunchbox lockers are on the list for my Chevy CUCV trucks
Thanks, I have wondered about those. I even wondered about using them front and back. No rock crawling for me but in snow and mud it could nice. Even more so plowing with a 2 bottom plow. Never new there was something other than OXE OR ARB. SIMPLE IS NICE.
For less than 1/4 the price of an OX or ARB locker it can't be beat. In the rear axle of a daily driver it would be annoying as it clicks as you turn a corner on concrete, unlike an Ox or ARB which can be unlocked. For a front end with hubs; since you can unlock the front ,you'll never notice as you turn on the concrete and daily drive it.
I have Spartan in the front and rear of my Jeep and the work great for on and offroad use, I run 85w140 gear oil and you can't even hear the clicking in turns.
great video, loved the before and after showing how the locker made a difference.
Thanks man. It's amazing.
Nice video, talked just the right amount explained it perfectly, good camera angles.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
I have a 95 f150 and it has 44 on the front axle so I’d assume it’s the 44. You’re telling me all I have to do is pay $250 for one and follow your video and I’m good to go?
My rear differential is open. Wonder how hard that one would be to upgrade.
Boy was I sceered the first time I tore into one of those long ago, found out that it wasn't so bad after all ! 😊
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
Yeah, there's not much too them.
Seeing it done makes it look simple, but I don't think this is for the faith of heart, or maybe it's just me...gears and electrical diagrams always make me think of friends who "might know how to do this stuff." :>) Thanks, Moe, the stuff you can do is always amazing and fun to watch!
Hey Thanks. Tearing into the gears like this always has me cautious.
we all have out strengths and weaknesses
One thing I remember from when installed one on my Bronco, make sure you have a hardened cross pin. My factory cross pin was not hard enough. I had to use an aftermarket unit.
True, I think it also comes down to how much you use it. Being in the front axle and really only used for rock crawling it'll take me 30years to wear it out.
@@sixtyfiveford I installed it in the rear 8.8". I would've ran the stock pin but I actually read the instructions that mentioned a hardened pin being required. I file checked the stock unit and it bit in pretty easily. Surprised how soft it was.
Moe, You make it look so easy.
Hey Thanks.
No problem. By the way mdwdiect's comment below is 100%
Hi Moe. I have heard about lockers but never seen any. Nice video you put together, seeing how to install and the best part learning how they work!
Thanks, it makes a world of difference in a 4wd system.
I did put this locker in my Dana 60 on my 2nd gen dodge along with spyntech free spin hub kit and love it
That's awesome. Those Hub kits aren't cheap but will make the lunchbox locker last the life of the truck.
@@sixtyfiveford
It’s a cherry old truck we use it to feed cattle and hunt coyotes
Great walk through Moe! I've got upgraded warn auto locking hubs on my 1978 Jeep CJ, but the last time it saw mud was well before I acquired it. Not to mention, Indiana is FLAT lol. Cheers my Friend! Zip~ See ya next Sunday!
ZippoVarga sounds like you need to move to Arizona. 360° of mountains and anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour away from many many mountains to go on and many more if you wanna travel farther all over the state. Also Arizona has a website that lets you know most of the trails in every county so its easy to find new spots in different places all over az. Mud? We get mud couple months out of the year
I don't know how I'd live without mountains here in Utah. I can always get a bearing wherever I am.
I've never seen one of those before. Pretty cool!
It makes a huge difference in 4wd capabilities.
I watched this 2 times so I made sure how the parts are installed ...It would be nice to do this to the rear end in my old truck
It makes a huge difference in grip. I can't wait to see how well it does in winter as it did great in soft sand and on rock this past weekend. I debated installing this in the 9" rear of this truck but opted to start with the front and see how I liked it. For an axle that is always engaged it will ping/knock as it ratchets when you go around a corner on cement. It does change the mannerisms of driving a little but a lot of guys do it (Justin Raines in the comments below runs one in his Jeep rear). The 9" Ford actually uses fewer parts than I show, but I couldn't find anyone online that has a testimonial for it.
Nice, really putting that old dentside to work.
She's a big hit on the 4x4 trails in Moab as it's the only Full Size truck. Or should I say the only non-Jeep or UTV you'll see. People stop everything they're doing to see the old Ford make it up the 4x4 trails.
Awesome upgrade should make a big difference
I spent 2 weekends ago rock climbing in Moab with it. It did fantastic and I couldn't be happier.
I love the way you explain things. Thanks for the video,
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
I have a lockright locke in the rearend of my 76 cj-5. Works great! Just push in the clutch when taking tight corners, just a tiny bit of "click click" from locker.
I debated throwing one in the rear axle. Thought I'd try it out in the front first because I can street drive with unlocked hubs.
sixtyfiveford makes sense.. I don't know how it would act with a auto trans though.mighy stay "locked" when taking corners even off the throttle
Another great video. And you have an awesome channel
Hey thanks!
Hey thanks for this video you opened up my eyes alot ! Glad to have you with us !!
Thanks, I'm glad it was entertaining.
came here because i have this exact same axle in my cherokee. full width from a 79 f150. definitely excited to get gears and lockers in it. the few high pinion dana 30s ive taken apart have no C clips, the unit bearings hold the axle shafts in. unless they were just missing and i never noticed...
Nice video saving it for reference.
Another awesome video as usual. Thanks Moe. Cheers.
Never seen a lock tight stick. I’m getting that, will be great for working on my guns.
In my opinion it works better than the liquid stuff as far as application.
oh, cool thingers! Nice work.
Hey thanks.
Mine did not last but 2 years with no wheeling .. City driving wears out the hard face on the teeth and they fail to lock and they start to clunk and skip ! Worked great till it failed .. Thanks Moe ..
I thought about putting one on my rear axle but thought about this wear. That's why I put it only in the front, as I have locking hubs. So essentially it is idle until I need it.
Put one in a chevy 14 bolt 1 ton like 8 years ago, zero issues, amazing where that truck goes in 2wd lol its ironic a locker failed in the city 😂😂
Nice upgrade
Thanks, I had fun with it.
NICE I'm still jealous about light bar still working on it
That was a fun video. Those Light bars are so dang bright so I rarely get to use it. I did get to play around with it a fair amount last weekend though while rock crawling. It was a big hit as it helped everyone see what was going on. It was great being able to move it around and not blind the vehicle directly in front of me.
Awesome video good information 👍
Very good video.
Where in the world can you buy a metal coffee can anymore? LOL
I know right! Everything is plastic these days. I think it's actually a old #10 food can.
Nice demonstration and explanation. I have no experience with that design locker but it looks heavy duty and solid. it should work great for your off roading adventures. Watching the vid makes me think off all the times a have had to pry and beat out the carrier differential to get the carrier shims just right. A royal PIA without a case spreader. I like that .006-.008 slop backlash thing. :-)
It's an art setting up axles. Luckily I didn't have to mess with it on this one.
What about the C clips on the axle shaft
If yours has C clips: take the center pin out of the spider gears, slide the axle shafts inward pop out the c clip, then pull the axle
Nice video mate 👍
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Is that just for off roading?
Not necessarily. It's just makes 4wd work astonishingly better almost like limited slip they put into rear ends of cars/trucks. A lot of stock SUVs and Trucks have something similar to these as a factory option. If someone lived on a farm or in extremely icy snowy area it would help out a lot.
Excellent video Moe. Thanks.
Hey Thanks.
A million dollar question where can I look to what kind of axel I have on do they carry a tag 🤔
How does the Ford steer now? Heavier trucks can be more forgiving with a front lunchbox locker than something like a jeep.
I have unlockable hubs so steering on the street is no different. Locked hubs though and steering suffers on hard pavement but feels really no different off road. I would not install this in a road driven vehicle that couldn't have the hubs unlocked.
@@sixtyfiveford my 76 suburban does fine off road with the lunchbox unless I'm turning very steep. Then I pop out one hub (short shaft side) and make the turn. Looks like we both wheel in the Rockies so things are pretty similar. Great vid and keep up the nice work!
Man you sure no a lot about everything, Great video!
Thanks for watching.
Wow! Liked your video. Amazing!!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
That did the trick. Great video Thanks!
It made for an exciting past weekend.
sixtyfiveford man I bet so it looked like awesome fun to me.
Awesome vid!! Is there anything that you don't do?
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video !!!!!
Glad you liked it!
Do you know where that Dana 44 high pinyon came from or outta what?? Really need to know. Thanks Dandahermit
The disc brake coil spring high pinion like this comes from 78-79 Ford f150 and Bronco.
Thanks for the video, think your panhards bent or is it just the angle?
Ford calls it a Track bar and it is supposed to have a bend.
Is that axle the same as a Dana 50? Also there’s no need to check the backlash?
I'm not sure the differences 50vs 44 off the top of my head. This style locker didn't need with any factory backlash. However even if it did I likely wouldn't have messed with it being a front axle. Why? Because a front axle with unlockable hubs will maybe see 50-100 miles total over it's life.
It may be obvious to others, but I’d like to know if Warn hubs still work to allow free wheeling when lunchbox lockers are installed. Well done video!
Yes I can unlock both warn hubs and I have no differnces in steering or street drivability.
Hey Moe, Did you think about using a air locker?.
I did consider an Air locker and may still use one for the rear. For all practicality in the front axle this functions the same for over $1000 less.
sixtyfiveford . I can see why you chose that locker. I looked at the link in the discription
And was surprised the price of this locker. Plus if you went to air locker you have the extra cost of a compressor etc. Anyway great video Moe. Thanks.
The Electronic Locker is a nice option and I know a lot of guys who use them. It's not as strong as an Air Locker but is a lot simpler to install(no air lines/compressor). The inconvenience of adding the compressor is nice though as having onboard air is always a benefit.
nice video - thanks
Have you put a locker in the rear end yet? I just bought a spartan locker for my rear 30 spline Dana 60 in my 77 Ford highboy.
I haven't yet. It's done so well with just the front locker I put that project on the back burner. My only issue, that was an issue before the front locker was the already weak power steering system in my truck. I can't steer on pavement with the front locker engaged so I need to do the common upgraded power steering pump. Dirt, snow, slick rock aren't an issue. I'm running a 9" in the rear and a little concerned about the street drivability with a locker in the rear. I'm on the fence about a lunchbox or dis/engagable locker.
sixtyfiveford I’ll be putting a spartan in the rear end of my 77 F250 here soon.
Do you have to set back lash taking out the ring gear and carrier like that?
Nope. Just put all the same shims back as they came out and you're golden.
How often would you need to change those?
eaglecot I was curious about this as well. I'd love to install something similar in the front of my chevy 4x4.
@eaglecot - That all depends on how hard you use them and how often you change your gear oil.
Say you go off-road occasionally, (twice a month), and you don't red line your engine while spinning the tires all the way up hills and you don't jerk the steering wheel left and right under full load. You just play around, but nothing crazy. As long as you change your gear oil between 12,000 to 24,000 miles or once a year/once every two years. You should get 100,000 miles out of them.
Now if you go crazy and go rock-hill/rock-bouncing/hill climb racing, you'd be lucky to keep the lockers in good working order before the one year warranty runs out.
With an axle that has locking hubs it is completely idle when not in 4 wheel drive. So it would last indefinitely on road. For a daily driver without locking hubs where it always spins I would agree with Jeff at 100k (occasional offroad).
Just wondering, how noisy is that setup when turning? I'm aware that it won't be turning when 4wd isn't engaged, but I can't help but wonder if that chatters during a turn with the front drive actuated.
On soft dirt or rock it will Just slip the rubber to the ground. On solid pavement there's enough traction between the two tires that you'll get a pretty good bang when it skips a tooth. Even then it'll try to skid the tire/chirp the tire on the pavement. There's tons of guys that run them in the rears of their Jeep and claim they get 30,000 mi out of them.
Great instruction. Thanks for your time.
Thanks for watching Brian.
Do a video on changing your blinker fluid.
But mine isn't low.
so with that locker your front axle is gonna be locked? no way to let it be free?
I have lockable/unlockable hubs so I can simply unlock a hub.
oh sweet on my 77 i have the 203 so i got fulltime hopefully in the future ill be able to do a 205 and manual hubs with a locker ;)
this is the truck btw on this youtube i made a separate youtube channel for it :)
I had a 78 bronco with the np203. It had fixed hubs but those can be swapped right out for switchable hubs.
how easy is it to swap a 205 tcase and manual hubs on a 77.5 f250 with a dana 60 front
How do you correct clearance discrepancies if its out of spec?
Shims.
how is the steering ? is it hard to steer now ?
While the hubs are locked it is hard to steer on pavement. If you don't have unlockable hubs, I wouldn't do this on the front end.
From what iv been reading my 79 jeep j10 came with lunchbox lockers I have yet to pop the axles open to find out
no they didnt. lunchbox lockers didnt come out til late 80s
Hey Sixtyfiveford,
Thanks for the great video. I have a question regarding the Loctite stick. Does it hold up well even in oiled compartments?
I know loctite makes the 242 in the liquid or stick form, and the 243 (oil resistant) is only liquid.
Wondering if yours hold up well or if the bolts backed out.
thanks.
242 just needs to have clean metal first and it won't fail. The 243 is for things your can't completely de-grease.
@@sixtyfiveford Got it, I ordered the 242 stick and 243 liquid, always good to have but the stick seems more user friendly and not a waste. Also was a lot cheaper. Thanks for the feedback.
Bad ass. I need one.
It makes an impressive difference.
So awesome 😎
I think my 79 F needs this. Have yet to get stuck.... but... just in case. Mine should be a 30 spline? seems common... Its in my cart now at least.
It made an astonishing difference. The only drawback is the power steering really suffers when locked so that needs to be upgraded for sure. However the Power Steering pumps are notoriously weak with this generation of Ford and the 35" tires alone make it difficult at times.
@@sixtyfiveford Yeah. O ya, mine has the saginaw pump upgrade. Nice and quiet:)
@@GF_Burke That's awesome.
@@sixtyfiveford Yeah she's a 300. Just bought a 98 XJ 2 days ago for a backup. Time to get mod'n again.
I was sick of being stuck in wet grass I Lincoln Locked I had no choice instant results.
What happen if you weld the gears together. Can you still drive on road with the gears welded
It would be OK for offroad, but definitely not for an on road vehicle.
Only if you can unlock the hubs. I have mine welded, with manual locking hubs it is a PITA when you have enough snow to want 4WD, but patches of dry pavement. Also my truck is mostly for offroad and occasionally when the snow is too deep for a AWD car. And then is is awesome. I think my diff is busted though and am thinking of the Spartan, or I will weld again or get a spool.
Is it bad I had no idea how one of those works. I had the rear built for my 32 ford
There's an art to setting up axle correctly. Sometimes it's not worth learning for a random axle or two.
sixtyfiveford definitely not my area of expertise. Get an Hvac question lay it on me
great VIDEO . VERY IN DEPTH SORRY FOR THE CAPS KEYBOARD IS WHACKED
Thanks MAN.
Question 1979 f150 ford 9 inch with posi....fluid capacity 3 litres of 80/90 conventional gear oil is full. When adding fruition modifier call for 200ml? I guess just add modifier first then top up with oil till it spill out fill plug. Any thoughts? Whats your experience with oil thanks cheers
Exactly put in as much modifier as required then top it off with gear oil until it pours out.
How long is a lunch box locker expected to last with minimal off road use? Like... Half a dozen off road trips a year with possible locking use?
If you have unlockable hubs it will last the life of the axle as it's never being used. If you throw it into the rear end of your daily driver you should only expect 20-30,000miiles.
So then how does an old posi rear end work?
That's an entire different can of worms. It's essentially the same beast as the stock unit but has clutch discs. Here's a great video on it th-cam.com/video/WeLm7wHvdxQ/w-d-xo.html
How do you like the lunchbox so far? I've been thinking about going this way.
For the price and simplicity I would do it again in a heartbeat. I wouldn't put on in the rear though nor an axle that didn't have locking hubs.
@@sixtyfiveford I bought a powertrax no slip for the rear of my k2500. It feels the same as an open diff. The only time I noticed it is If I'm hard on the gas. There is no clicking, no banging. Im extremely pleased with it. That's the powertrax no slip. I don't know about the other lunchbox lockers.
@@sixtyfiveford was wondering why you didn't put one in the rear. I see in the early video your rear is an open diff it looks like. Do you feel the added lock would be dangerous on the highway?
@@garysisk3431 It really only engages under hard acceleration. So in the rear you would feel it ratcheting while making a "fast" right/left hand turn. You wouldn't notice anything while going slow while turning and definitely nothing while going straight down the highway. The more it ratchets the faster it wears out and others have said it only lasted 15-20k miles in the rear for a street driven vehicle. But for the price and simplicity it can't be beat and when it does go out it is just a stock open differential. I can unlock the front hubs on this truck so my front axle never spins while I'm on the road. So it will last indefinitely on my front axle.
@@sixtyfiveford Just my 2 cents, got one in a 77 K30 3plus3 14bolt in the back, friggin love it, wicked traction, zero issues going on year 8 now, yes on extreme occasions it unlocks turning hard left or right but outside of that I would reccomend putting one in the back if she does alot of off roading its 100% worth it.
Only need to write on one race, your truck is cool, looks like a beast!!!
Hey Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
Great video! I wanna do this to the front of my xj. Does it affect your daily driving while not in 4×4?
XJ, I had a 1986 Cherokee for years. It had the Chevy 2.8l, which was gutless. I always wished I could drive one with the 4.0l. For a fixed axle with no locking hubs the front end will always be locked, even in 2wd. When you go around turns this will make the front end ping/knock as the gears ratchet. Not a bad thing on dry pavement, just a little annoying. On wet/icy surface in 2wd it can force the front end to want to go straight when you try to turn. There are a lot of people in XJs that run them though.
sixtyfiveford ok so its like welded diff syndrome. Thanks for the reply and I'm still debating as this is the more affordable than the Detroit lsd types
Don't get me wrong, it's a lot more functional than a welded diff.
Good job
Great video!!!!
Thank you!!!!
Glad you liked it!
Do You Still Have This Truck
I do. I drive it a few times a week.
If you have a locker like this is the front and your 4 wheel drive isn't engaged. Does it still hop when turning like a locker in the back
Since I have locking hubs on the wheels the front axle is completely idle in 2wd. If I didn't have unlockable hubs, like a lot of newer vehicles it would make a tick/popping sound as it ratcheted going around a turn. The wheels wouldn't hop.
C-clips on a front axle? I thought they were only on the rear.
I know the Independent suspension front axles(IFS Dana 44) uses C clips but I'm not sure what others might. I was more just generally referring to axles; front or rear as this can be installed in either.
Paul Gumper I can tell you first hand a Dana 30 front axle does not have c clips. The shafts are held in place by the big nut on the outer axle shaft that clamps against the unit bearing. You can pull the shafts without taking off the cover. In fact if you unbolt the unit bearing you don't even have to undo the big nut.
Is it really that easy though? I would love to put one in my 03 tahoe!
I put one in my 90 k2500. If You have a 14 bolt 9.5 ring gear diff. It was easy. I didn't have to remove the carrier. Just the spider gears. That's it. It made burn outs a lot easier. 1/4 throttle to start spinning
Its as easy as the vid shows. Your independent front end is definitely more labor intensive than a straight axel though. No need to pull the diff like he shows in the video. If you have the GM Gov lok rear diff these drop in lockers will not work
Worked alot better with the locker
It makes a tremendous difference on a 4x4 truck. Almost like driving a tank! :-)
Dana 30s do not have c clips. Only some rear axles have them
I was more so just generalizing front and rear axles. The Dana 44 rear in Jeeps have C clips along with one side of and IFS Dana 44 in the Fronts of a lot of Fords. A lot of Dana IFS axles in the Front of vehicles have C clips.
I have a 1999 dodge ram 1500 4x4 I was thinking about putting one in the front Dana 44 low pinion I don't know if it would hold up to 35s 250hp and it weighs 7000 lb what do you think and a little sand and mud I don't do rock climbing
I need this locker for Pajero 1992 front differential. the gear ratio is 8/39.
Any recommendations where can order?
Your kind reply will be highly appreciated.
Regards
Besides Googling it, I would be no help.
Success!
Thanks!
Anyone know how it does on ice?
Any locker on ice: You will have more traction to get unstuck/move forward but in the rear axle it can make the back slide out on a turn.
@@sixtyfiveford Thanks for the reply! Been debating on lockers for the suburban, but not sure with these Montana winter's lol.