This is very interesting. In 2020 when I took delivery of my Defender 110 First Edition I did the same thing as you have done with Kathy’s Macan - I asked the dealership not to prep it at all and to take it to my local detailer that I had pre-arranged. When I collected the car they told me that the Defender was the first car that they had ever had in that needed no paint rectification. The Defender is built at Nitra in Slovakia and transported across Europe to Ghent by train for shipping to the UK. I was really surprised when I asked him which new cars needed the most work on them new and I was surprised when he told me Porsches and Audis by far then Range Rovers and Range Rover Sports! I had that Defender Xpel clear gloss wrapped as I use it a huge amount offroad. In 2023 I part exchanged the 110 for a Defender 90 and had the same process and wrapping done by the same detailers - 1 small paint defect, but this one also didn’t leak from the top of the windscreen like the last did on delivery! I was amazed that Porsches that cost way more than a utility Land Rover had paint issues out of the factory so your finding backs up what my detailers told me. I took delivery of a new electric Countryman S E and the dealership knows me as it’s the 3rd Mini I’ve bought from them and told that they would deal with the detailer as their BMW side also sends their really high end cars to him for pre-handover prepping now. My Countryman was also built at Leipzig like the Macan - some paint defects but no iron flecks in the paint. I’ve also spent to have the bonnet and front wings coated with Xpel Clear Gloss to protect against stone chips even though the car is leased for 4 years and isn’t mine.
It looks more like the hood is a different colour than the bumper. Our local Porsche dealer actually bought a detailing company and brought them in-house to correct the cars prior to delivery.
The Leipzig factory need to quickly sort out bumper color matching! Congrats ro Kathy. Maybe Kyle can feed back to Porsche engineers about the paint sticker problems.
Me and my buddy operated a detailing business in the late 90's till the early 2010's we had a few Mercedes dealerships we would work from, the white plastic sheets they put to protect the paint would be a nightmare on black cars... They also had a cheesecloth material that they would cover the bumpers with which would leave a tremendous amount of adhesive behind.... Fun times
10:25 I used to work at a dealership, some would use a fabric that held onto certain points in the inside of the hood. Really don’t know why Porsche isn’t using that
Once you see that bumper, you can't unsee it 😢 unfortunately all that work to make a car look flawless, in the real world vehicles, take a beating. To try and keep it really nice is really expensive, whether you pay to have it done or just in high quality products. I've had to learn to live with imperfections 😢
We have a Macan EV on order too. I like the idea of asking the dealer not to wash the car; however would there be a risk that if you found some scratches or other non-factory issues the dealer would not accept responsibility since it was not pointed out during delivery?
This is of course always a concern. Of course like any dealership it will still need to go through a PDI. Some dealers will not “warranty” any damage found if they don’t do the first wash (my experience with tesla) BUT, a reputable Porsche dealer will honor any transportation defects of manufacturing issues if found after the first wash. My recommendation would be to have a conversation with your dealer to figure out the best course of action.
Dealer washes are bad. I always request them not to wash even during services. They get off the truck and un-wrap them. If you see swirl marks on paint and b pillar, it literally is them who caused them.
Porsche should require the whole transportation chain to have operators wear cloth (scratch free) gloves. No grease, no scratches at the door handles, clean interior too. What do you think?
@@sunnysider6350 Who cares about Gaza, or Kenya, or 'outer bora bora'? "Nas4apps' lives in a first world nation and should expect these things. It comes with the territory. "God must love the poor, he made so many of them'
That Idea works IF you have the money for it! For this writer, its DIY or nothing. I'll NEVER pay circa $6K to wrap a car, and have to do it again in 05yrs, when the wrap fails in the sun. And on and on
Any car that comes from a dealership will never be perfect. Perfect under the bright lights yes but not under an inspection light. I found out first hand that after a few washes I discovered some swirls that I did not cause. It was basically masked with a wax of some sort from the dealer. Since most people don’t wash their own cars or wash at all the customer will just assume it was their own doing.
With respect to ceramic coating, if I get a full ppf wrap, would that need a coating as well for any reason? Is coating just the windows fine, or maybe just using a RainX be fine?
Ceramic coating can be applied over a vehicle wrap. Then, it's best to apply a ceramic coating on top of the ceramic coating to protect the ceramic coating.
BMW uses another method and sprays a super thick coat of wax all over the car at the factory and then has a special steaming kerosene car wash tunnel at the VPC to remove it.
I am surprised that some people examine their car's paint like this. I could understand for a show car that hardly gets used, but a daily driver? Forget about it 😂
Same here! I’ve purchased at least 6 new cars in the last 8 years and I simply don’t care about those micro issues. I give it one walk around to check for obvious stuff and that’s it.
@@User.Joshua This writer has been buying cars for 06 decades! and could car less if the paint is 'one micron thinner' on the fender. As long as it looks presentable and not rusted to the door handles, I am 'good'.
@@OutofSpecDetailing I mean, I was trying to mean it as a joke and compliment. My car is totally trashed. And you do amazing work and have incredibly high standards.
Would there be more, less or similar damage if this car was delivered in Europe and then shipped over? Porsche is the last German manufacturer to still offer Euro delivery.
That two-tone bumper hood does not look right. So when I pickup my new Macan in 2025, if I find slight scratches, I don't expect it's something I can expect the dealer to take care of?
Hey guys I don’t know what’s going on in the US. I just got my Macan 4 in EU, Italy,same ice grey color. Washed by my dealer before I got it. No problems.
I honestly don't get why Piano black is still a thing on vehicles. Interior or exterior. It scratches, it picks up every fingerprint, it NEVER looks good. Ford did it on every F series door and so many makes use it all over inside, I just don't get it. It wasn't a thing 20 years ago, it has no place today.
I agree totally with the anti piano black concept. My last EV was swamped in the material--the center console, the dash, even inserts on the doors, right where the door handles are!
Great video, the dealer ran my car through there car wash after I told them not to. All the scratches drive me crazy. Out of curiosity, what happened to your arm?
Looks like the hood got repainted, bumper and fenders are the same color, the hood is a different color, and the hood had no iron deposits on it. 1 + 1
@@OutofSpecDetailing Ah that makes sense then haha, crazy how those colors can be so different, my old 2022 model Y performance in white was the same way as well.
Larry Kosilla from AMMO NYC has mentioned before that the price you pay for a car doesn't necessarily equal the paint quality. He's noted multiple times that Subaru delivers excellent paint quality for a $35K Forester and better than some $800K supercars.
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Porsche should store all of cars at the port inside a building and only ship cars in a covered truck.. come on. guys for the amount of $ these cars cost..take care of your customers..
You know…at the end of the day…it is just a car…not a human being. I know you want it perfect, but unfortunately nothing in life is perfect. However, overall life is wonderful.
The range is around 300 miles ish yet when it has towed its capacity or close to the range dropped to around 100 miles!! Woeful stats on that price of a vehicle
Unacceptable that if I picked up a new car, and even a Porsche, the first thing I'd have to do is treat the exterior like a used car and wash, decon, compound, polish, and coat.
Guys you wanted the car unwashed untouched then you trashing Porsche because of things you seeing! I don’t think another manufacturer should give you another unwashed not cleaned car. If they cleaned it you would not see any of those marks,maybe some paint correction to do, but that’s every manufacturer.
How about you watch the video before freaking out. The paint came scratched/stretched. It has nothing to do with not being washed. Washing it will remove dirt but it won't fix the scratching/stretching. This is obvious to anyone reasonable but if you just watched the video you'll see they washed it and they remained (like you would expect). The point is when the car gets to the customer it shouldn't have these paint issues. You shouldn't have to pay for a paint correction to what is suppose to be a brand new car (and realistically used cars should be fixed from dealers as well if possible)
"Some paint correction" can cost some money, which can be avoided, or at least reduced, if their handling is correct before customer delivery. Also no serious detailer wants usually to work with car dealers because of time and cost pressure to do it properly so...
@@michaelpaoli7309 No I'm referencing the fact that my 3 Tesla vehicles never had such poor paint quality. Also for mismatched colour. Very surprising from Porsche. I had a 2006 997 and the paint quality on it was perfect. Sad to see.
I did not expect to watch the entire video, but this man sure knows his stuff, and was interesting to listen to as well. Enjoyed it :-)
My wife thinks it's weird that i am sitting here watching this whole video, but i am truly entertained.
This is very interesting. In 2020 when I took delivery of my Defender 110 First Edition I did the same thing as you have done with Kathy’s Macan - I asked the dealership not to prep it at all and to take it to my local detailer that I had pre-arranged. When I collected the car they told me that the Defender was the first car that they had ever had in that needed no paint rectification. The Defender is built at Nitra in Slovakia and transported across Europe to Ghent by train for shipping to the UK. I was really surprised when I asked him which new cars needed the most work on them new and I was surprised when he told me Porsches and Audis by far then Range Rovers and Range Rover Sports! I had that Defender Xpel clear gloss wrapped as I use it a huge amount offroad. In 2023 I part exchanged the 110 for a Defender 90 and had the same process and wrapping done by the same detailers - 1 small paint defect, but this one also didn’t leak from the top of the windscreen like the last did on delivery! I was amazed that Porsches that cost way more than a utility Land Rover had paint issues out of the factory so your finding backs up what my detailers told me.
I took delivery of a new electric Countryman S E and the dealership knows me as it’s the 3rd Mini I’ve bought from them and told that they would deal with the detailer as their BMW side also sends their really high end cars to him for pre-handover prepping now. My Countryman was also built at Leipzig like the Macan - some paint defects but no iron flecks in the paint. I’ve also spent to have the bonnet and front wings coated with Xpel Clear Gloss to protect against stone chips even though the car is leased for 4 years and isn’t mine.
Certainly Tesla needs to be at the top of the list requiring work.
Hilarious…Last time this car gets HAND washed under the OOS Dave ownership! 😂
Worried about the tiniest scratch… Meanwhile once back in CT it’s going through snow salted roads & off to Scratchy’s Car Wash! Often… 😂😂😂
It looks more like the hood is a different colour than the bumper. Our local Porsche dealer actually bought a detailing company and brought them in-house to correct the cars prior to delivery.
Maybe the month at the port was getting the front bumper repainted?
The Leipzig factory need to quickly sort out bumper color matching! Congrats ro Kathy. Maybe Kyle can feed back to Porsche engineers about the paint sticker problems.
Me and my buddy operated a detailing business in the late 90's till the early 2010's we had a few Mercedes dealerships we would work from, the white plastic sheets they put to protect the paint would be a nightmare on black cars... They also had a cheesecloth material that they would cover the bumpers with which would leave a tremendous amount of adhesive behind.... Fun times
I would probably find it quite satisfying detailing a brand new Porsche.
I am local and I consider calling on you on new vehicle buy. Thanks!
10:25 I used to work at a dealership, some would use a fabric that held onto certain points in the inside of the hood. Really don’t know why Porsche isn’t using that
Interesting video I have learned a lot. Thanks!
Once you see that bumper, you can't unsee it 😢 unfortunately all that work to make a car look flawless, in the real world vehicles, take a beating. To try and keep it really nice is really expensive, whether you pay to have it done or just in high quality products. I've had to learn to live with imperfections 😢
I'm no expert like these guys, but our new Audi Q5s paint looks very good to me, much better than my Tesla M3 performance.
We have a Macan EV on order too. I like the idea of asking the dealer not to wash the car; however would there be a risk that if you found some scratches or other non-factory issues the dealer would not accept responsibility since it was not pointed out during delivery?
This is of course always a concern. Of course like any dealership it will still need to go through a PDI. Some dealers will not “warranty” any damage found if they don’t do the first wash (my experience with tesla)
BUT, a reputable Porsche dealer will honor any transportation defects of manufacturing issues if found after the first wash.
My recommendation would be to have a conversation with your dealer to figure out the best course of action.
Dealer washes are bad. I always request them not to wash even during services. They get off the truck and un-wrap them. If you see swirl marks on paint and b pillar, it literally is them who caused them.
Porsche should require the whole transportation chain to have operators wear cloth (scratch free) gloves. No grease, no scratches at the door handles, clean interior too. What do you think?
First world problem. Ask the folks in Gaza if this is important.
@@sunnysider6350 Who cares about Gaza, or Kenya, or 'outer bora bora'? "Nas4apps' lives in a first world nation and should expect these things. It comes with the territory.
"God must love the poor, he made so many of them'
Now that was quite an education…I will never detail my own car again. Thanks!
That Idea works IF you have the money for it! For this writer, its DIY or nothing. I'll NEVER pay circa $6K to wrap a car, and have to do it again in 05yrs, when the wrap fails in the sun. And on and on
NO SIR I WOULDN'T HAVE NEVER LEFT THE DEALER WITHOUT IT BEING DAMN NEAR PERFECT.
I don’t think you’d ever purchase a single vehicle from any manufacturer then
Any car that comes from a dealership will never be perfect. Perfect under the bright lights yes but not under an inspection light.
I found out first hand that after a few washes I discovered some swirls that I did not cause. It was basically masked with a wax of some sort from the dealer.
Since most people don’t wash their own cars or wash at all the customer will just assume it was their own doing.
With respect to ceramic coating, if I get a full ppf wrap, would that need a coating as well for any reason? Is coating just the windows fine, or maybe just using a RainX be fine?
Ceramic coating can be applied over a vehicle wrap.
Then, it's best to apply a ceramic coating on top of the ceramic coating to protect the ceramic coating.
First drive; first wash; first video done by Kyle. It will be mo the before his mom actually gets to see the car 😂
is it a good idea to do such a detailed wash with a new/ newly painted vehicle? isn't the paint still "curing"?
Great, now TH-cam is going to start showing me car videos for vehicles that cost more than my house. #algorithm
I would never be able to get over the discolored bumper.
BMW uses another method and sprays a super thick coat of wax all over the car at the factory and then has a special steaming kerosene car wash tunnel at the VPC to remove it.
I wish i can send my macan ev to you guys lol. too bad i am in Canada
Maybe what happened at the port is they repainted and changed the bumper.
Great video! Will be looking for it in the Warde parking lot in the future.
I suppose they want the paint protected also from the stone chips (if they get on the trailers), might be?
It’s called “Lotboy” I know because I was one
I am surprised that some people examine their car's paint like this. I could understand for a show car that hardly gets used, but a daily driver? Forget about it 😂
Same here! I’ve purchased at least 6 new cars in the last 8 years and I simply don’t care about those micro issues. I give it one walk around to check for obvious stuff and that’s it.
@@User.Joshua This writer has been buying cars for 06 decades! and could car less if the paint is 'one micron thinner' on the fender. As long as it looks presentable and not rusted to the door handles, I am 'good'.
Would you say this color is silver or a shade of white?
Shade of white
coleton's version of "completely destroyed" is different from mine.
When did I say this paint is “completely destroyed?”
@@OutofSpecDetailing 2:28
Watch that again 🤨
@@OutofSpecDetailing I mean, I was trying to mean it as a joke and compliment. My car is totally trashed. And you do amazing work and have incredibly high standards.
The best ASMR Part starts at 38:37
Would there be more, less or similar damage if this car was delivered in Europe and then shipped over? Porsche is the last German manufacturer to still offer Euro delivery.
That two-tone bumper hood does not look right. So when I pickup my new Macan in 2025, if I find slight scratches, I don't expect it's something I can expect the dealer to take care of?
Hey guys I don’t know what’s going on in the US. I just got my Macan 4 in EU, Italy,same ice grey color. Washed by my dealer before I got it. No problems.
Starting to seem like modern day cars have a painting problem.....
Also, still not a fan of those wheels
Those wheels are terrible
I honestly don't get why Piano black is still a thing on vehicles. Interior or exterior. It scratches, it picks up every fingerprint, it NEVER looks good. Ford did it on every F series door and so many makes use it all over inside, I just don't get it. It wasn't a thing 20 years ago, it has no place today.
I agree totally with the anti piano black concept. My last EV was swamped in the material--the center console, the dash, even inserts on the doors, right where the door handles are!
Great video, the dealer ran my car through there car wash after I told them not to. All the scratches drive me crazy. Out of curiosity, what happened to your arm?
Looks like the hood got repainted, bumper and fenders are the same color, the hood is a different color, and the hood had no iron deposits on it. 1 + 1
Hood was not repainted. Had protective plastic all over it (hence why no iron deposits)
@@OutofSpecDetailing Ah that makes sense then haha, crazy how those colors can be so different, my old 2022 model Y performance in white was the same way as well.
Larry Kosilla from AMMO NYC has mentioned before that the price you pay for a car doesn't necessarily equal the paint quality. He's noted multiple times that Subaru delivers excellent paint quality for a $35K Forester and better than some $800K supercars.
Porsche should store all of cars at the port inside a building and only ship cars in a covered truck.. come on. guys for the amount of $ these cars cost..take care of your customers..
You know…at the end of the day…it is just a car…not a human being. I know you want it perfect, but unfortunately nothing in life is perfect. However, overall life is wonderful.
really? we're still talkin about depreciation? who buys a car based on an unknown future resale value?
I don't see chit...
Too much talking!
Porsche looking so VW
Buy a car from 1990 and you have a real car..
Guys.. this car was not built it was assembled.. the factory is fully automated..with all parts delivered to the factory
Semantics...
Shut up man
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@@jeffs6090 Semantics, yes, but important. As in "Lets eat , grandma" or "Lets eat grandma"!
The range is around 300 miles ish yet when it has towed its capacity or close to the range dropped to around 100 miles!! Woeful stats on that price of a vehicle
The “electric” badge needs to go.
in germany we can opt out every badge for the macan (and for no extra money)
Unacceptable that if I picked up a new car, and even a Porsche, the first thing I'd have to do is treat the exterior like a used car and wash, decon, compound, polish, and coat.
Guys you wanted the car unwashed untouched then you trashing Porsche because of things you seeing! I don’t think another manufacturer should give you another unwashed not cleaned car. If they cleaned it you would not see any of those marks,maybe some paint correction to do, but that’s every manufacturer.
How about you watch the video before freaking out. The paint came scratched/stretched. It has nothing to do with not being washed. Washing it will remove dirt but it won't fix the scratching/stretching. This is obvious to anyone reasonable but if you just watched the video you'll see they washed it and they remained (like you would expect). The point is when the car gets to the customer it shouldn't have these paint issues. You shouldn't have to pay for a paint correction to what is suppose to be a brand new car (and realistically used cars should be fixed from dealers as well if possible)
It has nothing to do with the car being not washed wtf 😂
"Some paint correction" can cost some money, which can be avoided, or at least reduced, if their handling is correct before customer delivery. Also no serious detailer wants usually to work with car dealers because of time and cost pressure to do it properly so...
De-badge the "electric" emblem please.
No unless his mom oks it it is her car
Breaking News! TESLA has better paint quality than Porsche. RIP Porsche
42:46 you reference to this?
@@michaelpaoli7309 No I'm referencing the fact that my 3 Tesla vehicles never had such poor paint quality. Also for mismatched colour. Very surprising from Porsche. I had a 2006 997 and the paint quality on it was perfect. Sad to see.
God this car is ugly