What if Boromir Survived? Theory (Updated)

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  • Boromir’s fall in combat in the attempt to save Merry and Pippin from capture was one of the most courageous events to occur in the events of the Lord of the Rings, but what if he survived that situation and returned home to Gondor? We will explore such a possibility in this theory! Thank you all so much for watching, let me know what you think would have happened to Boromir if he had survived! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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  • @1776PonySoldier
    @1776PonySoldier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +862

    If Boromir lived: He would have simply walked into Mordor.

    • @Tesko91
      @Tesko91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I choked!

    • @Steel-101
      @Steel-101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Also he would have struck FEAR Into the hearts of his enemies with the HORN OF GONDOR!!!!!!!!

    • @MrCouchmen
      @MrCouchmen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      If Boromir lived:
      Aragorn: Frodo´s fate is no longer in our hands.
      Boromir: But we suppose to.....
      Aragorn: Change of plans!
      Boromir: Ok,Ok! We go after hobits.

    • @davidzimmerman3687
      @davidzimmerman3687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lol

    • @gary4934
      @gary4934 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But one does not simply walk into Mordor.

  • @BigBWolf90
    @BigBWolf90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +347

    "And the tower guard shall take up the call; THE LORDS OF GONDOR HAVE RETURNED!"

  • @pbibbles
    @pbibbles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +422

    Finally, a what if that doesn't end in disaster.

    • @jesuscoyt-munoz2753
      @jesuscoyt-munoz2753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      The Thorin theory also didn’t end in disaster so technically two theory’s with no disaster.

    • @pbibbles
      @pbibbles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jesuscoyt-munoz2753 but, only one comment that was supposed to be a joke.

    • @jesuscoyt-munoz2753
      @jesuscoyt-munoz2753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @pbibbles sorry.

    • @Feanor6450
      @Feanor6450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      if thorin survived doesn't end in disaster

    • @Sara3346
      @Sara3346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      His video about Saurman not defecting was also pretty positive.

  • @YohananYGO
    @YohananYGO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +315

    Boromir is my favourite character this theory shows how important he was

    • @martyndragar7910
      @martyndragar7910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Totally agree

    • @danilokrdzavac6603
      @danilokrdzavac6603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mine is Gandalf of course

    • @dansmitham2437
      @dansmitham2437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The first time I watched Fellowship with my daughters(both mid teens at the time) they cried when Boromir died. They both loved him and in explaining why, pointed out something I'd not noticed before. Boromir loved the hobbits most.
      It was him who taught them to swordfight, who playfought with them, who spoke for them on Caradhras when the journey surely would've killed them, and who begged for them to be given time to mourn Gandalf's passing, and when Aragorn found him dying, his first words were about the hobbits "They took the little ones"(an endearing term). Despite his faults, he loved the hobbits.

    • @YohananYGO
      @YohananYGO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dansmitham2437 yeah I'm always getting teary every time i watch that scene myself .. and ig many others

    • @Sasuke81a
      @Sasuke81a 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree wholeheartedly and Boromir is my favorite member of the Fellowship too.

  • @orrointhewise87
    @orrointhewise87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +228

    "I would have gone to end with you; my brother, my captain, my king"
    I think it would have been great had Boromir lived, he definitely would have made a huge difference in the events of the normal timeline. The only problem with it I think is the return of the actual king. Feel like Denethors love of his son would have challenged the claim of king for Aragorn :/
    But it would have made my life to see the entire fellowship reunited at the end of all things 🥰

    • @RedDragonForce2
      @RedDragonForce2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Honestly, I could see Aragorn praising Denethor and his forefathers for keeping Gondor safe in his family’s absence, bringing honor to Denethor’s line, and that he would need Denethor’s council to continue guiding Gondor towards a brighter future.

    • @gayahithwen
      @gayahithwen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It can be really hard to fight on behalf of someone who does not want you to. With Boromir offering his support to Aragorn and his claim, what can Denethor, whose authority comes from a position that has a legal obligation to yield to the true king, truly do in that situation? In the books, he can cast doubt that Aragorn is who he says he is, but he can't do that if Boromir is standing right there and contradicting those claims. (I mean, he *could*, but then he'd be making his son and heir look like an incapable dumbass who's much too gullible to ever rule, so I don't think that would really be in his best interests either).

    • @itzwilza7189
      @itzwilza7189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@gayahithwen and legolas the prince of mirkwood and gimli being of durins line is also by birth a lord so there wouldd be 3 lords vouching for aragon being the true king

    • @carljohnsson7593
      @carljohnsson7593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@itzwilza7189 Most likely Eomer/Theoden would have also supported his claim and Rohan being a respected friend and ally of Gondor would have carried huge influence.

    • @itzwilza7189
      @itzwilza7189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@carljohnsson7593 omg yes I forgot about eomer/theorem...also elrond and probably some other elvish lords that trusted and respected him

  • @12345678900987659101
    @12345678900987659101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    Witch-King: "No man can kill me."
    Gandalf: "I am no man. I am a Maiar."

    • @animistchannel2983
      @animistchannel2983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Agreed. In the books, the Witch-King never took the risk of fighting head-to-head against the wizard. He always pulled back and sent in lackeys.

    • @muttamerican4863
      @muttamerican4863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I'm under the belief Gandalf would lose that fight.

    • @stevemonkey6666
      @stevemonkey6666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a pretty useful prophecy.

    • @animistchannel2983
      @animistchannel2983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@muttamerican4863 Um... in the books, Gandalf drove off the Witch King + 4 other ringwraiths at the same time from Weathertop. It isn't even a close comparison 1 to 1.
      They made the Witch King a lot more powerful in the movies, because they needed some believable big bad guys -- because Sauron doesn't DO anything and the Big Evil is a piece of jewelry.

    • @tathemrelag3123
      @tathemrelag3123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@animistchannel2983 Tolkien did state that Sauron had empowered the Witch King during the battle of the Pelennor Fields, so it wouldn't be nearly as much of an uneven fight as you make it out to be. Of course, Gandalf probably would have still won, but I doubt the Witch King wouldn't have challenged Gandalf if he didn't think he had at least some chance of winning the fight. After all, the reason he fell back from the duel was because the Rohirrim arrived and he needed to deal with that, not because he was afraid of Gandalf.

  • @EvilSandwich
    @EvilSandwich 3 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    So basically Boromir dying accidentally unlocked Lord of the Rings: hard mode.

    • @kallenordvall
      @kallenordvall 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I guess that his survival equals normal mode.

  • @paulwagner688
    @paulwagner688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    There would have been some political strife, because Denethor knew Aragorn of old, as Denethor saw past the guise of Thorongil and divined in truth who Thorongil really was. As the books say, Denethor was to Aragorn as one of closest kin. Meaning that Denethor truly guessed who Thorongil was, and was not that happy. Moreover, since the two of them were basically the same age, I think Denethor would have begrudged the seeming longevity of Aragorn as Denethor's blood was mixed with lesser men, while Aragorn's blood was pure

    • @brovold72
      @brovold72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe the book was intentionally ambiguous as to whether Denathor connected Aragorn to his Gondoran guise from decades prior. Possible though.

    • @paulwagner688
      @paulwagner688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@brovold72 the appendices state Denethor pretty much knew.

  • @basilawan1536
    @basilawan1536 4 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    bro you should totally make a what if about is the fellowship went mordor together

    • @muttamerican4863
      @muttamerican4863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Shelob gets slaughtered in seconds and Golem gets yeeted into the Marshes.

    • @Koebalt
      @Koebalt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@muttamerican4863 Lol!!! Yes he should make that what if

    • @jpgr8937
      @jpgr8937 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Duuuude yesssssss!

    • @debbie4503
      @debbie4503 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please!

  • @DiracComb.7585
    @DiracComb.7585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Oh boy, let’s see how this turned out.
    Gotta say, I love this one far more. Imagine if both Boromir lived and Thorin lived. That of course depends on if both theories would still run the same way, but if so, I think Sauron would regret playing the strategy he did.

    • @MarshWaha
      @MarshWaha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I totally agree, Sauron would’ve taken a crap in his pants if he saw what forces were at the gates of Mordor.

  • @holicekaderliiii6787
    @holicekaderliiii6787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I would also think that in counsel with his father and his brother Boromir would advise his father against taking the One ring and in private tell them that craving it almost doomed the Fellowship. I would not be suprised if despite his duty to Gondor Boromir would ride to aid Rohan for two reasons. First as an emissary of Gondor. I think that having a high ranking person aid Rohan would push Theoden to ride to Gondor faster. Second it would be to regain his honor. While standing in defense of Merry and Pippin I don't think it would be enough to put his feelings of guilt to rest.

    • @kallenordvall
      @kallenordvall 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Denethor: ”Boromir, I was initially displeased that you didn’t bring the weapon of the enemy to Gondor. But now that I’ve heard of it’s powers almost corrupted you and that you survived the ambush I’m just happy to see you alive and well.

  • @Danny-ru7uf
    @Danny-ru7uf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Then he would simply walk into Mordor and destroy the ring

    • @1776PonySoldier
      @1776PonySoldier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just posted that and of course thought I was so clever. Shoulda known someone would have beaten me to it🤣😀👍

    • @Danny-ru7uf
      @Danny-ru7uf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Leslie Tincher geniuses think alike lol
      Just kidding I don’t think I’m a genius.

    • @neerajtyagi2050
      @neerajtyagi2050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wouldn’t you stop him?

  • @silverwingdragon4161
    @silverwingdragon4161 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Denethor: Boromir! You survived, thank goodness!
    Faramir: I survived too.
    Denethor: Who cares

    • @thezord6686
      @thezord6686 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha so funny 😂🤣😂🤣

  • @jessetheunending9357
    @jessetheunending9357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I love this alternate version of the story!
    I do think Eowyn and Pipin would still have engaged the witch king on the battle field. This would give reason to keep them both back from the final battle.
    I also wonder if Farimir would have been spurred on to great deeds during the battle at Pelinor fields, emboldened by his brothers actions? If he came to harm, he would have met the lady Eowyn still in the houses of healing.
    Would Boromir have continued on to Gondor and left the others to treat with King Theoden? I think he have stayed, and aided them after the purge of Saruman, providing diplomacy and requesting aid from his ally.
    It is amazing to me to think that one man could have changed so much in the course of such dark times.

    • @MakCurrel
      @MakCurrel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm not sure that the fellowship would go to king theodin right away. That depends on Gandalf and when they meet him. They for sure wouldn't have met the exiled riders, because the remaining fellowship wouldn't be looking for Merry and Peppin. I think that both Aragon and Boromir would focus on Gondor and go straight to Minas Tirith and the rest would follow without question. Maybe Aragon would argue for visiting Rohan for asking them to allie with Gondor, but they wouldn't be as motivated as if Boromir hadn't fallen and the hobbits taken.

    • @Davidofthelost
      @Davidofthelost ปีที่แล้ว

      Merry was part of the Riders of Rohan, Pippin would’ve been chilling with Faramir and Boromir in Minas Tirith.

  • @therogueblade915
    @therogueblade915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Smaller detail for this alternate timeline: In the books, a soldier of Gondor named Beregond was with Pippin during the Battle of Pelennor Fields. He was the one who Pippin came to initially to seek aid in stopping Denethor from burning Faramir, and in doing so, slew three of Denethor's guard before Gandalf could arrive. The punishment for this deed was death, but Aragorn forgave him, instead choosing to banish him from Minas Tirith. However, he was also appointed Captain of the White Company, and lived the rest of his days in Emyn Arnen in service of Faramir, Prince of Ithilien.
    So if Boromir lived, not only would Denethor have survived, but the three men of Denethor's guard would have as well. Beregond would have continued to live as a mere soldier, not banished from his home, but also not given his rank of Captain. He loved and honored Faramir, so perhaps his fate would have still taken him to Emyn Arnen along with the White Company.

  • @cryptosporidium1375
    @cryptosporidium1375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Boromir would probably head to Gondor and aid in the defense of Osgiliath once more.

  • @jankubicek9109
    @jankubicek9109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I loved him in the books and loved him even more when played by Sean Bean. He was so relatable. He had flaws, but still he was a good person, defending Gondor, caring for his brother, willing to admit to his fualts and change. I dont think Denethor would be upset much about Boromir not having the ring because he loved him so much and he would support him in his decision. I think Gondor would become stronger, Boromir could either better defend the Osgiliath with Faramir by his side or send Faramir elsewhere to attack some Mordor reinforcements while he would still defended the city. He might actually died defending and becoming hero smybol lol but...i do not like this idea lol. Both Boromir and Theoden alive...wow what a nice dream! I think it could also cause wide butterfly effect with maybe unexpected outcomes....hell we might even see new kingdom rising ruled by Boromirs descendands or creating new line in Rohan by Faramir & Eowyn while Eomer died or just gained another title....Nevermind. I still like Boromir better than Aragorn, becuase he is not perfect "ideal good" but he shows how you can overcome prejudice and your flaws and become better person. Would love to see a line when Boromir would accomplish that Denethor finnaly sees Faramir as good and worthy son.

    • @dollface2907
      @dollface2907 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What if the rangers arrived given it was hinted at they heard his horn blow

  • @tommykawaii
    @tommykawaii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Damn, I shed a wishing tear thinking about this possibility. Such good deeds could have come from Boromir had him survived. It was indeed a great loss 😢

  • @jeffspada8505
    @jeffspada8505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It’s been so long since I have watched any men of the west videos since I am so addicted. And damn it feels so good to watch a video from this channel again.
    Great video

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Jeff, glad to give you another video, my friend!

    • @jeffspada8505
      @jeffspada8505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You made my day, thanks

  • @mrsmiley7251
    @mrsmiley7251 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sits on chair and sips tea tearing up* this is truly amazing theory for the warden of Gondor

  • @deathbeforedishonor6523
    @deathbeforedishonor6523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I thoroughly enjoyed this version of "what if" and always felt Boromir was a great character. I think you hit the nail on the head on this one and it couldn't have been any better no matter who tried their hand at it. A happy ending and my kind of ending! Thanks again.

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, my friend! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

    • @deathbeforedishonor6523
      @deathbeforedishonor6523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MenoftheWest providing something positive and entertaining that impacts people's lives in a good way is always a good thing. Keep up the good work my friend 😎.

  • @MrAlexman13p
    @MrAlexman13p 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I would give anything to see Peter Jackson's Boromir and Faramir defend the Minas tirith!!! Just imagine his glorious speech!!!

    • @Will.Flavell
      @Will.Flavell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Boromir and Faramir accept Aragorn as the their King and follow him to the black gate to fight against Saurons army to give Frodo and Sam time

  • @Kainlarsen
    @Kainlarsen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sean Bean's portrayal of Brormir was fantastic, and he truly made him a tragic hero.

  • @sethmiller2534
    @sethmiller2534 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember keenly the song you sang of Tom Bombadil, the beauty that held, and now listening to your voice I’m reminded of it. Oh how I melt in that voice

  • @GandalfThaWhite
    @GandalfThaWhite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love your videos, Sir.
    Truly you are a great story teller yourself.
    You put a lot of work into your videos obviously, and I thank you for that.

  • @omg_RANCORS
    @omg_RANCORS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    id like to think boromir would have gone with the fellowship. gondor swore on iluvatar that they would come to rohans aid. boromir made the commitment to the fellowhip. gondor had not been attacked yet, but rohan was under attack now, the host of gondor could not come to save rohan, but boromir could. it would be told in song that only two of gondor could be spaired from the defense of gondor. and at helms deep the captain of gondor met the king of gondor to save rohan and together they broke the siege of gondor in the same way.

  • @roberthornibrook6344
    @roberthornibrook6344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Sean Bean approves.

    • @vanyadolly
      @vanyadolly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And Viggo. He's said several times that he wanted them to change to story so Aragorn and Boromir could hang out in Minas Tirith after the war.

  • @danielcharland1374
    @danielcharland1374 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Perhaps there are others, but I think that this is the first Theory video of yours that I've watched that has wholly positive effects from the change, and I kind of like it. So many other scenarios have had a negative effect if one little thing was changed, but this only has more people live and give stronger relations and better life to the peoples of two different kingdoms.

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely! It is one of my favorite theories for the same reason, I think it would have been great for the world if he had survived.

    • @ProfessorChaos56
      @ProfessorChaos56 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MenoftheWest Your What if Thorin had lived video was positive too.

  • @AMoniqueOcampo
    @AMoniqueOcampo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Boromir's death is one of the few movie moments that made me cry. I often wondered what would have happened if Boromir lived. I think the only thing I would change to your theory is that Denethor still has to die. I don't know if he would accept Aragorn as king so easily. I don't want him to burn himself, but he could make a foolish move to prove himself and end up dead.

  • @marionbaggins
    @marionbaggins 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks, Mellon, for Updating, Updating this What If - Theory Video!!!
    It's Interesting to see how much has changed from the old video to another...(This Version is Lighter in Tone to the other)
    Until Boromir's Uncle's ECH *I nearly typed Bromir, LOL (My Bro Boromir)* Marion Baggins Out!!!

    • @gobigblue6782
      @gobigblue6782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hope everything is okay in ur world. Look forward to Sunday videos. A welcome distraction. So over 2020, looking forward to next year being better. Take care, Mellon. The fall of Boromir was truly sad in the books and movie, for sure.

    • @marionbaggins
      @marionbaggins 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gobigblue6782 Thanks, Mellon!!!
      2020 is currently Crazy...But what's not Crazy is Middle Earth...There is a Way Better Place to be at the Moment!!!

  • @captainboromir6958
    @captainboromir6958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great story! Thank you for all the work you do!

  • @oel734
    @oel734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If Boromir lived, the Lord of the Rings story would've had a greater and much HAPPIER ending than what we got.

  • @FellowshipofFans
    @FellowshipofFans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video friend!

  • @Bellezzasolo
    @Bellezzasolo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He would have walked with Aragorn through the gate of Minas Tirith, and the tower guards would take up the call: The Lords of Gondor have returned.

  • @johnpatricktan5545
    @johnpatricktan5545 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really nice video

  • @skere272
    @skere272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ll say it again another awesome insightful video. I really think of you did a video/podcast of the reading of the books would be awesome👍. Keep up the hard work.

  • @blackleg3384
    @blackleg3384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the vids keep up the good work bro bro

  • @TLhikan
    @TLhikan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really love the lesson you share at the end of each video.

  • @AmiraMekkaoui
    @AmiraMekkaoui 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks great video!! I really like this ending. We would get to know so much more of his character and I wouldn't need to shed a tear every time he dies.

  • @palabragris
    @palabragris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man, this alternate version made me feel so... good.
    Finally, some happy fcking story
    XD

  • @srimadhumithra2330
    @srimadhumithra2330 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow. Beautifully done, Mellon..
    If only it had happened as such in the movies..

  • @neerajtyagi2050
    @neerajtyagi2050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Idea(s): What if Durin’s bane had never come to Moria?
    What if Bilbo had slain Gollum?
    What if the company failed and the orcs captured Erebor?
    What if every member of the fellowship went to Mordor together( including boromir and gandalf ) ?
    What if bilbo did not come with the company to reclaim Erebor ?
    What if Elrond took the ring ?
    What if Smaug took the ring?
    What if Beorn took the ring?

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it's more like "What if Moria hadn't come to Durin's bane?"

  • @kravenknight9268
    @kravenknight9268 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a far better theory to what would have happened had he survived. Great work!

  • @SG0041
    @SG0041 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Came here straight after your tweet lol

  • @abrakadabra6364
    @abrakadabra6364 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this was beautiful. thank you, he deserved much love.

  • @Leprechaunproduction
    @Leprechaunproduction 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Moral of the story: If you have a shield, USE IT!

  • @davidsherman7326
    @davidsherman7326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good stuff! One theory I would like to see is what if the Fellowship never split. What would happen if the Fellowship stayed together after Amon Hen, and would the quest even be successful?

  • @Toviyah
    @Toviyah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love your theory videos and your videos thank you and let us stand men of the west!!

  • @kaijohnson5033
    @kaijohnson5033 ปีที่แล้ว

    Boromir was always my favorite character. This theory made my heart glad.

  • @SpannyShot
    @SpannyShot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if some random Orc captain found The Ring?

  • @timonsolus
    @timonsolus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have 2 problems with this scenario.
    1) Without Boromir’s fall to the power of the Ring, and his subsequent death, and the capture of Merry and Pippin, Aragorn would have been tempted to follow the Ringbearer, feeling that it would be faithless of him to let Frodo and Sam go to Mordor alone, and leave them unprotected from the pursuing Gollum. If Aragorn had stayed with Frodo and Sam, he would not have been available to help Rohan. And even Aragorn was not immune to the corrupting power of the Ring. What would have happened to Frodo and Sam with Aragorn, but without Gollum?
    2) I feel that Denethor would not so easily have been persuaded to give up his power. His dream was to see Boromir become Steward of Gondor after him. I think Denethor would claim that while Aragorn may be the rightful heir to the throne of Arnor, west of the Misty Mountains, he was not the heir to the throne of Gondor. He would have been willing, IMO, in the event of victory against Sauron, to help Aragorn reestablish the lost realm of Arnor, but not to accept him as king of Gondor.

  • @Vortex-yc7wv
    @Vortex-yc7wv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if Boromir lived: he wouldn't be Sean Bean

  • @dodgykingdom7502
    @dodgykingdom7502 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excited for next week, Prince Imrahil is a great character.

  • @TheNerdLair
    @TheNerdLair 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great video!! love you content

  • @dominikplewe2860
    @dominikplewe2860 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just imagine... Boromir's willpower and/or his Love for his people were soo strong that even the Witchking of Angmar feard him.

  • @DrKahu_10
    @DrKahu_10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was very Great. I really enjoyed the progression of the plot, and to me it all made sense. Another. WHat if the Three Elven Ring's kept there power after the destruction of the One Ring.

  • @Shaden0040
    @Shaden0040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay ! I hope you also did what if Boromir had defeated Frodo and taken the ring.

  • @bobborggreve6803
    @bobborggreve6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think this "what if Boromir lived" scenario is a bit too optimistic. The six remaining members of the fellowship would probably have gone to Minas Tirith right away - as Aragorn had planned. Gandalf wouldn´t have found them on time and I think he wouldn´t have tried to find them anyway, as he had to stay west and rouse the Ents. Without Merry and Pippin being taken captive by the Uruk-Hai and brought to Fangorn, it´s unlikely the Ents would have marched on Isengard without some external stirring.
    Also, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli wouldn´t have met Éomer and would have to travel all the way to Minas Tirith on foot. When they finally would have arrived in Denethor´s halls, it´s very likely Denethor would´ve treated Aragorn with some level of hostility, regardless of Boromir´s affection towards Aragorn. I think Boromir would´ve been torn as he would stand in between his father (who he loved very much) and Aragorn (who he admired very much). Instead of a united defense force, there would have been division inside the Tower of Guard - maybe even armed conflict. Remember that in this scenario, Denethor would have been the only one on the side of the West that had access to a palantír and so keep seeing distorted visions that Sauron wanted him to see. It might well be that in an act of despair, Denethor would have given away Aragorn´s identity to Sauron (and perhaps the secret Quest of the Ring as well).
    All in all, Boromir´s death was sad, but - as Gandalf said himself - ´good´ as well. After he tried to take the Ring from Frodo he repented, he died valiantly and was ultimately redeemed.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bob Borggreve : I think the Fellowship would have gone to Minas Tirith, but Aragorn himself would have gone after Frodo and Sam, unwilling to let them go to Mordor alone. Boromir’s fall was what warned Aragorn that even he was not immune to the corruption of the Ring.

    • @bobborggreve6803
      @bobborggreve6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timonsolus In this "what if" scenario, Boromir confessed his attack on Frodo, so Aragorn would still be warned by the dangers of the Ring. I think he even might keep an eye on Boromir.

  • @devinmiller7439
    @devinmiller7439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is an awesome video.

  • @nathanrogers4622
    @nathanrogers4622 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was very moving. Thank you for doing this Yoystan!

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If he survives then 2 things happen, the Ents don’t get roused and Faramir is ordered to capture Frodo in Ithilien and bring him back to Minas Tirith, or Boromir himself is sent.

  • @STARK1LL3R21
    @STARK1LL3R21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos man, keep it up, they helped me get back in Middle-Earth after the horrendous final season of Game of Thrones as I wanted to forget about it.
    Only to remember how amazing his work on Middle-Earth and the lore behind it, as it became my favourite fantasy series once again.
    So again, thanks for the videos and keep it up.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cody Gamble :
      Suggestion:
      Watch Game of Thrones again, but stop at the end of Season 6, and treat that as the end of the show. (Regard Seasons 7 & 8 as a non-canon D&D spin-off in an alternate universe, and never, ever watch them again.)
      The books of GoT are still an unfinished story (and may remain unfinished if the author dies), so there’s nothing wrong with the TV series also being an unfinished story. Some endings are best left to the imagination...
      Summary of Episode 10 of Season 6 ‘The Winds of Winter’:
      Before her trial, Cersei destroys the Sept of Baelor by wildfire, killing the High Sparrow, the Tyrells, Lancel and Kevan Lannister, hundreds of nobles, and the Faith Militant; Qyburn has Pycelle killed. Cersei reveals her incest with Jamie and that she killed Robert Baratheon to Septa Unella before having Ser Gregory torture her. Distraught over Margaery's death, King Tommen commits suicide. In Dorne, Varys meets with Olenna and Ellaria, seeking an alliance between Daenerys and their Houses against the Lannisters. Davos confronts Melisandre over Princess Shireen's death, resulting in Jon banishing her. The Wildlings and the surviving northern Houses pledge loyalty to Jon as King of the North. Sansa rebuffs Littlefinger's romantic overtures. Arya kills Walder Frey and his sons (avenging the Red Wedding). Sam and Gilly reach the Citadel in Oldtown. Benjen Stark accompanies Brandon and Meera to the Wall (saving them from the White Walkers) but is unable to go further. In a vision, Bran sees Ned finding Lyanna Stark as she lies dying after giving birth (to Jon Snow) during King Robert's rebellion. Jaime returns to King's Landing, and Cersei is crowned Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Daenerys names Tyrion Hand of the Queen and sails for Westeros with the Greyjoys, her armies, and her dragons, leaving Dario Naharis and the Second Sons behind to rule Meereen.
      (All the outstanding story arcs are brought to a reasonable conclusion, except for Jorah’s greyscale infection, and of course the advance of the Night King and the White Walkers, who thus far have no way of breaching the Wall, and cannot pass it while it remains intact, due to its magic.)

  • @samwisegamgee8318
    @samwisegamgee8318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about ISENGARD?
    Wouldn’t Merry and Pippin not ending up with Treebeard cause Isengard to stick around longer and possibly launch another foray into Rohan or Gondor?

  • @berserkerofthrawn5707
    @berserkerofthrawn5707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Frodo don't forget to tell Boromir that you walked into Mordor

  • @adamlaspata7001
    @adamlaspata7001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wept when you said that Theoden would survive the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. I've always loved the grace and dignity he had and, though glad he died honorably in combat, am more happy to imagine him ruling Rohan longer. Perhaps I see a much needed noble father figure in Theoden since Alzheimer's and Parkinson's robbed me of my father.

  • @michaczerwinski4044
    @michaczerwinski4044 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great theory! Boromir is one of my favourite characters both in the books and the movies. This theory shows just how mighty he was. I think that if he returned to Minas Tirith he would also aid Faramir in Osgiliath and it would held even longer. Also their retreat would maybe come sooner because of the fact of the growing numbers of orcs. Boromir would understand this and fall back before Faramir's men were overrun.

  • @paradox7358
    @paradox7358 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Merry and Pippin were not captured, then they wouldn't have met Treebeard, who may not have then been influenced to attack Isengard.

  • @bjorndevlieger8565
    @bjorndevlieger8565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Theory idea what if both Boromir and Theodred survived?

  • @Chris-qd8pm
    @Chris-qd8pm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well met, friend! I really like your videos and would present a type of theory of my own in this one. What I propose is this- Denethor, going from the movies, was already obsessed with the ring when he sent Boromir to the council of Elrond. Time would not have tempered his lust for it. He would have been hoping that his one son, who never failed in his eyes, would retrieve the thing he wanted most. Should Boromir have returned empty handed then Denethor's lust could have turned him to madness even though his favourite son lived. This could have turned Denethor into an even more hate-filled father and lead to drastic actions perhaps even a civil war against any who would follow Aragorn, Boromir, and Faramir. These are just my thoughts, well done video in any case :)

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Notkael Not'thus : In the books, before the death of Boromir, Denethor was not mad, just filled with despair at the overwhelming strength of Sauron’s armies, which he had seen in the Palantir. He knew that Minas Tirith would fall without aid, and he had no way of anticipating Saruman’s fall or Aragorn’s recruitment of the Army of the Dead.

  • @therakshasan8547
    @therakshasan8547 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your assessment was very optimistic , and impractical. Denathor was already broken within , all though not fallen into madness yet . Boromir keeping the hobbits from Fangorn would have left Rohan to fall to Saruman . Souron would then have sent the nazgul to Saruman and demanded his supplication , or death . Gondor's fall would then come. The witch King may have fallen to Gandalf [ No man can kill him ,and Gandalf was no man .] Without Aragorn going to the Paths of the dead Gondor would have fallen . Move one pebble this way , or that at the start of an avalanche , and the outcome will be greatly different.

  • @cameronmurray5973
    @cameronmurray5973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish for you to do an if Sauron had lived at the battle of the Last Alliance, or an if Aragorn had died, or even if Rohan had gone to war with Gondor.

  • @IanHeins
    @IanHeins 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice work dude thanks

  • @MoonguKang
    @MoonguKang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Yoystan! Big fan! I haven’t seen this video yet so tell me if it already exists: “what if theoden heeded gandalf’s advice on the defense of edoras?”
    Thanks for doing what you do!

  • @grimreaper6557
    @grimreaper6557 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for such an enlighten video well done

  • @ciscoduncan1490
    @ciscoduncan1490 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was really good. Thanks. 👍🏾✌🏾💯

  • @hughgedney3393
    @hughgedney3393 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A very extremely great video as always Men of the West.

  • @unclefester1840
    @unclefester1840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well this is just the happiest little story I’ve ever heard...

  • @thecrusader3852
    @thecrusader3852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Next theory ideea: What if Tom Bombadil would have joined the Fellowship?

  • @MakCurrel
    @MakCurrel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If Boromir survived the orcs wouldn't have taken Merry and Pippin. And thus they wouldn't have met the ents and that meeting, the ents wouldn't have interfered in the war. That means that saruman might not have perished and his tower might only be contested after the battle of Minas tirith, maybe even after the war against Sauron.
    The fellowship wouldn't either have met the riders of Rohan, and with Aragon and Boromir in the group, they would focus on Gondor not Rohan, so the only one who would try to wake Denethor from Wormtoungs control would be the resurrected Gandalf. And he alone would maybe not be enough to save both Rohan and the exiled riders. And without the forest the orcs in Rohan would be able to join the war later. Rohan might then not be able to come to Gondors aid. So I don't think that the men would be better off against Sauron if Boromir survived. The alliance between Gondor and Rohan might be a lot weaker then.

    • @brovold72
      @brovold72 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking that too -- how Gandalf had told the three hunters how the orcs had brought the hobbits to Fangorn with great speed, maybe the nick of time, and said they were like a pebble.. the ent assault on Isengard may have still happened, but not in time to prevent Saruman from maybe participating in the sack of Rohan, or worse thereafter.

  • @williamzona9773
    @williamzona9773 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    another what if for you,what if Bilbo took the ring to mordor instead of frodo?

    • @jesuscoyt-munoz2753
      @jesuscoyt-munoz2753 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They kinda already did that when yoystan created a “What it,” video with saruman staying good. But that does seem interesting.

  • @michaelrhett1077
    @michaelrhett1077 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the most beneficial what if LOTR story. Nice to have one that doesn't end badly.

  • @jonahstirbis3408
    @jonahstirbis3408 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is your best what if ever thank you we all needed this!

  • @Kaiser_Wilhelm_IV.
    @Kaiser_Wilhelm_IV. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful theory, along with Samwise Boromir always was my top favourite.
    I guess if Boromir indeed survived and everything turned out the way you told us, Merry and Pippin would have been buried next to Boromir rather than next to Aragorn, for they were so close to B. already in TFotR and would have grown an ever closer relationship to B. later own.

  • @CaptinJack
    @CaptinJack 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this! I've thought about this idea many a time in the past, and this is just about how I imagined it.

  • @alejandrosantamaria7647
    @alejandrosantamaria7647 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video, a true fan indeed, thank you!

  • @augustjackallen3453
    @augustjackallen3453 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the content, keep up the great work!!!

  • @chesterphilander2785
    @chesterphilander2785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome that one man's fate would affect the entire history of Middle earth for the better👏 thanks Yoyston

  • @franceslambert8070
    @franceslambert8070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't watch "what ifs" vids, so I was surprised to watch this one.

  • @marianfranklin8959
    @marianfranklin8959 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's nice to see a happy ending for a change.
    I get why so many what if, end badly. When you're facing such an overwhelming force. There almost noting that could be done to really stop it.

  • @muenchhausenmusic
    @muenchhausenmusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey! A new viewer here. I just want to say that I like these what-ifs most out of your content! I really enjoy them!
    One thing about this particular story: If I remember correctly, weren't Denethor and Aragorn even friends, back during the latter's time as Thorongil? That is something that I sometimes think about, how both of them would feel. Surely Aragorn remembers the great man Denethor once was (it is said that they were quite alike back then), and surely Denethor must have some remnants of their friendship and appreciation of one another left in his heart. What would go through both of theirs heads upon meeting again? Also considering they both aged differently, Denethor now being old and Aragorn still being in his prime. Would Denethor be jealous? Would Aragorn pity Denethor? Just some food for thought.
    Anyway, great video!

  • @quatreraberbawinner2628
    @quatreraberbawinner2628 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this, I know he's a relatively minor character but Boromir has always been my favorite character especially portrayed by Sean Bean, it's nice to see him get a happy ending

  • @dragonkingdom95
    @dragonkingdom95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i like this one better then the other were aragon died and boromir became king this 1 was awesome

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah... me too haha
      This one is far more realistic and kind to the story.

    • @dragonkingdom95
      @dragonkingdom95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MenoftheWest I was so sad when Aragon was killed I almost cried lol 😅😅

  • @Epic_Kingdom
    @Epic_Kingdom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    R.I.P. Son of Gondor.

  • @jenniferwood144
    @jenniferwood144 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful video!

  • @aes1373
    @aes1373 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would make a good videogame RPG like game for you to take control of Boromir and play it out as he survives. Many choices to be made.

  • @SpencerVaugn
    @SpencerVaugn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic ! This brought a tear to My eyes and Hope to My Heart . This Is An Epic , Beautiful Timeline ! 🦅🙏🏻🦅

  • @manuelgreil4306
    @manuelgreil4306 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A nice and positive alternative story theory. Much better than the usual grim outcome. :)
    Still, some things to ponder: Denethor would still have been manipulated by Sauron via the Palantir, though. Who knows if he wouldn't have gone mad anyway, suspecting both Boromir and Faramir of betraying him (a thought that I would have tried to implant into his mind if I were Sauron).
    Also, from my understanding of the book, Gandalf didn't really plan for Merry and Pippin to come to Fangorn. In fact, I suppose he initially was quite disoriented after having been sent back from Valinor. As Bob Ross would have said: it was a "happy accident". :)
    Alternative ending for this episode: "From this theory we can learn that, when the enemy is armed with bows and arrows, it is prudent to carry a shield." :)

  • @KiltBill2
    @KiltBill2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have to disagree. Denathor would now know, through Borrimir, where the ring had gone and would have sent a force to retake it before it reached Mordor. His sons would have had to unseat him to save the city.

  • @jasonlee0290
    @jasonlee0290 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sean Beans dying on screen career: Am I a joke to you?!

  • @jeffreygreen8668
    @jeffreygreen8668 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome.
    But please tell me that a nice long Gil-Galad entry is forthcoming?