James King was 35 before his debut as a tenor. He worked with Martial Singher, and eventually had a brilliant C, which you can hear in his many performances of the finale in FROSCH
Hey! That was my question! :) thank you for the video! It was very helpful. Here is another question for when you have a moment. I find that the hardest high notes for me to sing are between Bb4 and C#5. Once I get to D5, I feel like my voice opens up. Oviously there isn't much chest connection, but the sound feels full and easy, and I can sing up to Ab sometimes. And it is not falsetto. But between Bb and C#, I struggle to find the right balance between head and chest. Is this normal? And is there merit to approach those high notes from above and below? Bring head down; bring chest up? The motivation behind my original question was a desire to understand the balance between "technique" and "muscle." So if someone sings for 2 hours and feels a little tired at the end, is it because they were singing well and just need to get stronger muscles over time? Or is it because their technique is off and they're doing slight damage to their voice every day? I think what you're saying is that it could realistically be either. It depends on age, fach, technique, etc... You need good feedback from a solid teacher to make sure you're heading in the right direction. Thank you also for the demonstrations in the video. As always, you're videos are great! Thank you for putting out your excellent content! - Luke
Thank you, Luke, for inspiring me to make another video! I think it depends on a lot of things. Every tenor is different. For some tenors, they can access the extreme upper register within a relatively short amount of time. Leggero tenors, for example. With dramatic tenors, on the other hand, it can take years and even decades to master. So, it depends on your age, voice type and physiology of your voice. I don't try to bring up any excess weight, chest voice. I focus on vocal cord elongation and adduction and a sense of 'letting go'. It's a tricky sensation to figure out.
You can tell someone is knowledgeable even by small details: "passaggio" and "Rossini" were pronounced perfectly!! I'd appreciate a video that explains clearly how to learn to setup the voice to reach those high notes. I am pretty sure it is "falsetto rinforzato" or "falsettone" but maybe i am wrong. I don't know well how it operates and how to acrivate it
3:35 actually, im 15 years old and can hit the c5 note in mixed voice! though i find it a bit hard to sustain the note. planning to get a vocal coach so i can master the high C
I am 85 years old and with the help of a voice coach my vocal range has stretched from D4 to at least E5. Singing dramatic tenor at C5 depends upon the approach to the sound. My sound is generally better than yours and when I sing On My Own (soprano) I hit the C5 almost exactly as famous soprano's. This is litter than a dramatic tenor.
Yes, the lower the passaggio, the more dramatic the voice. That is why some dramatic tenors sound like baritones, because their passaggio is very similar to a baritone's passaggio.
I though E4 is usually a high lyric baritone (at least in the internet). I guess one could still become a heldentenor through alot of correct training.
@@rafaeljannotti3002 There's plenty of tenors with E4/F4 passaggios. The internet has a tendency to be dumb and overgeneralize everything. Also, heldentenors are exceptionally rare.
@@TheeJordanRossi its very interesting you say that. My second passagio is exactly in that zone and in the past Ive always been told its a higher baritone passagio. Combining that with the fact that I have very strong lows I always thought I was a baritone. Since you seem well versed in dramatic tenors, could you watch my last short "operatic High B attempt" and tell me if you think I could sing as a dramatic tenor with training? I have a hard time singing with a lower larynx cause Im a pop/rock singer, when I lower my larynx I feel constricted around my wntire range.
@@TheeJordanRossi its very interesting you say this. My second passagio is exactly in the E4/F4 zone, and Ive always been told its a high baritone passagio. Combining that with the fact I have a strong low range I always thought I was one. I wonder if you could take a look at my last short video where I attempt an operatic B4 and Bb4 and tell me if you believe with classical training I could be a dramatic tenor. I do not know how to sing classical nor with a low larynx so its a struggle at the moment lol.
A pistachio is a delicious nut. The passaggio is an Italian term which means "passageway". In singing, it is the registration break in the voice, typically around F4, F#4, and G4 for tenors.
James King was 35 before his debut as a tenor. He worked with Martial Singher, and eventually had a brilliant C, which you can hear in his many performances of the finale in FROSCH
I love James King! What a voice! Yes, a lot of bigger voices, Heldentenors, for example, mature vocally much later, sometimes in their 40's.
That Pav. High C at the end is my morning wake up alarm! Lol😊
He was a Beast!
My favorite!
Pavarotti is a once-in-a-century voice. Extraordinary.
Hey! That was my question! :) thank you for the video! It was very helpful.
Here is another question for when you have a moment. I find that the hardest high notes for me to sing are between Bb4 and C#5. Once I get to D5, I feel like my voice opens up. Oviously there isn't much chest connection, but the sound feels full and easy, and I can sing up to Ab sometimes. And it is not falsetto. But between Bb and C#, I struggle to find the right balance between head and chest. Is this normal? And is there merit to approach those high notes from above and below? Bring head down; bring chest up?
The motivation behind my original question was a desire to understand the balance between "technique" and "muscle." So if someone sings for 2 hours and feels a little tired at the end, is it because they were singing well and just need to get stronger muscles over time? Or is it because their technique is off and they're doing slight damage to their voice every day? I think what you're saying is that it could realistically be either. It depends on age, fach, technique, etc... You need good feedback from a solid teacher to make sure you're heading in the right direction.
Thank you also for the demonstrations in the video. As always, you're videos are great! Thank you for putting out your excellent content!
- Luke
Thank you, Luke, for inspiring me to make another video! I think it depends on a lot of things. Every tenor is different. For some tenors, they can access the extreme upper register within a relatively short amount of time. Leggero tenors, for example. With dramatic tenors, on the other hand, it can take years and even decades to master. So, it depends on your age, voice type and physiology of your voice.
I don't try to bring up any excess weight, chest voice. I focus on vocal cord elongation and adduction and a sense of 'letting go'. It's a tricky sensation to figure out.
You can tell someone is knowledgeable even by small details: "passaggio" and "Rossini" were pronounced perfectly!!
I'd appreciate a video that explains clearly how to learn to setup the voice to reach those high notes. I am pretty sure it is "falsetto rinforzato" or "falsettone" but maybe i am wrong. I don't know well how it operates and how to acrivate it
Thanks for watching the video! I'm glad you liked it! I will work on some other videos on how to set up the voice to reach high notes.
3:35 actually, im 15 years old and can hit the c5 note in mixed voice! though i find it a bit hard to sustain the note. planning to get a vocal coach so i can master the high C
Wow, I wish I could've sung high C5 when I was 15!
I am 85 years old and with the help of a voice coach my vocal range has stretched from D4 to at least E5. Singing dramatic tenor at C5 depends upon the approach to the sound. My sound is generally better than yours and when I sing On My Own (soprano) I hit the C5 almost exactly as famous soprano's. This is litter than a dramatic tenor.
That's impressive! I hope I can still sing high C5 when I'm 85.
Dramatic tenor Franco Tenelli said the dramatic/lower tenor passaggio is around D4-E4.
Yes, the lower the passaggio, the more dramatic the voice. That is why some dramatic tenors sound like baritones, because their passaggio is very similar to a baritone's passaggio.
I though E4 is usually a high lyric baritone (at least in the internet). I guess one could still become a heldentenor through alot of correct training.
@@rafaeljannotti3002 There's plenty of tenors with E4/F4 passaggios. The internet has a tendency to be dumb and overgeneralize everything. Also, heldentenors are exceptionally rare.
@@TheeJordanRossi its very interesting you say that. My second passagio is exactly in that zone and in the past Ive always been told its a higher baritone passagio. Combining that with the fact that I have very strong lows I always thought I was a baritone. Since you seem well versed in dramatic tenors, could you watch my last short "operatic High B attempt" and tell me if you think I could sing as a dramatic tenor with training? I have a hard time singing with a lower larynx cause Im a pop/rock singer, when I lower my larynx I feel constricted around my wntire range.
@@TheeJordanRossi its very interesting you say this. My second passagio is exactly in the E4/F4 zone, and Ive always been told its a high baritone passagio. Combining that with the fact I have a strong low range I always thought I was one. I wonder if you could take a look at my last short video where I attempt an operatic B4 and Bb4 and tell me if you believe with classical training I could be a dramatic tenor. I do not know how to sing classical nor with a low larynx so its a struggle at the moment lol.
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Thank you!
what is a Piztachio ? 😂
A pistachio is a delicious nut. The passaggio is an Italian term which means "passageway". In singing, it is the registration break in the voice, typically around F4, F#4, and G4 for tenors.