Yeah, the tutorial dungeon is notorious for breaking people. Here are some tips: 1. The GoG Unity Version is heavily outdated, it's better to download and mod it manually 2. Some classes cannot equip certain items because of their material, like leather for example 3. You can ask people for quests in the dialog box. There is a big button that says work 4. You will recieve a letter that lets you continue the main quest. It's actually quite interesting storywise 5. You can create your own class by choosing the Custom class during character creation 6. The skeletons aren't actually that tanky, you just had a low hit-chance, because of your skills and stats. Daggerfall is quite difficult at the beginning, but once you figure out how things work it's a lot of fun. Also probably a good thing that you played the DOS Version first incase you ever want to play Arena or Battlespire, because they have the same insane controls (Yes, I still have PTSD from my 36 hour Arena playthrough lol)
This is so helpful thank you so much. A LOT of people have already warned me about BOTH the classic/GOG-cut versions; and to swap to unity before I get too far in my playthrough. I'll be looking up a tutorial for how to install it before this weekend :) And thank you for the answers! I'm going to print out the user manual and read through it. I try my best to ensure my experience can be somewhat similar to what it was back in 1996 (no online guides, exploits, etc.). Do mobs like the skeleton take more damage from certain weapons? I assumed the mace would do more than the sword; but it was worse.
@@FrostbreakYT Love your way of playing games :) Yes, maces (and blunt weapons in general) do more damage to skeletons, but your blunt weapon skill was probably lower than your longblade skill, which is why you didn't hit him. You can hear from the sound effects if an enemy parries or dodges. Oh and another recommendation: Read some of the ingame books. They are well written and the lore was quite different back then. Many cool things (like were-sharks) have sadly vanished since. (And of course don't forget that Queen Barenziah is the real Lusty Argonian Maid)
@@FrostbreakYT I'm not sure on the type of weapon, but the material of the weapon can be really important. Some materials of weapons can't harm others. I made this mistake several times after selling certain weapons to get some money and then crying my way out of a dungeon because my sword couldn't harm an enemy. Another tip, don't try to explore the whole map like I tried to, the maps in Skyrim or Oblivion are easy to explore because of their small size, but Daggerfall's map size is about 624,000 square miles and similar in size to Great Britain, so fast travel is absolutely necessary to get around easily.
@@FrostbreakYT Please don't overlook the OP's suggestion to make a custom class - it is a great experience in itself! And it is very fun to get an idea for a character and realise it through the custom class creation.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't believe people actually played the DOS version. How spoiled we are. By the way, the guy on the right is Chancellor Ocato, the elf you bring Martin Septim to at the end of Oblivion. Way more imposing in Daggerfall.
Last time I played oblivion I was 8, so I barely remember it. I really need to play it again. Yeah the DOS version is... special... not my cup of tea but I totally understand people swear by it. I saw your video today too! You are a significantly more competent player than myself haha
@FrostbreakYT also there's theory stating that "bald" guy with a torch in intro next to Tiber septim is our character from arena. In oblivion we can see him, in oblivion he's altmer [somehow] and granted rank... the same rank which was hold by arena villain, defeated by our arena character lol
@@loccapo Those aren't actually contradictory. The last mention in lore of the player character from Arena is "Uriel Septim claims that the hero will rule by his side" and the first mention in lore of Ocato is "Ocato became Imperial Battlemage to replace the treacherous Jagar Tharn". We don't know anything about Ocato's birth or background before he became the emperor's right hand man, so it's entirely possible they are one and the same.
Daggerfall has a lore-accurate, non-condensed map size and scale, meaning the total area of the map is about 209331 square kilometres and has a population of about 750000. The travel time listed when you fast travel is the time it takes your character to walk to the selected destination.
Good lord. Is there stuff to do in between those spaces or is it just forest? If it's lore-accurate, I'd assume it's just mainly wilderness but the map looks pretty populated.
@FrostbreakYT you can get random encounters, but the game intends that you use Fast Travel to traverse the wilderness in pretty much all circumstances. Every location, no matter how minor, starts off flagged on the map, the main skill in traversal is time management, as most non-story quests are time sensitive, so you want to give yourself time to spare if you take one on. You can speed up travel considerably by buying a horse, which you just keep in mallet space or something when in dungeons or buildings, and if you buy a carriage you can empty your inventory of vendor trash items between dungeons, but both are expensive early on.
Me too, but only because I rate Daggerfall's combat far above Morrowind's. I don't know what his problem was, I remember killing Skellies alright in Daggerfall.
This could serve as a meta-commentary on how CRPGs have become so diluted over the years that concepts like stats and dice rolls feel alien to newer generations.
"diluted" are you fr dude? they're better because they got rid of the outdated tabletop game mechanics and replaced them with stuff which actually makes sense without reading a manual
@@hoagie911this is another example of it, the entire point of daggerfall is that it’s essentially meant to be dungeons and dragons but on the computer and by urself, also it doesn’t make it better it gives it less depth, whether u like it more or less is not better or worse u sound like a child saying that
The combat in this game is literally the worst in any video game ever. So glad new RPGs have become "diluted". That way I can actually enjoy the world without dying, because my weapon randomly misses, even though I swung it right through my enemies torso.
@@FrostbreakYT Holy shit, when you said your ESO account was your dad's I thought "wow cool, old man's playing pretty modern games", apparently I'm close to your dad's age. I die inside.
The tutorial in this game is not meant to introduce you to the mechanics. It is designed to break you. If you can get through it, it means you are worthy to play the game.
the change from the original to the unity version was crazy! Fair play dude for playing it. I'm a big fan of ES, but morrowind is the oldest I'll play ha
For sure; I don't think I can tolerate another minute of the original. Maybe on day I'll challenge myself to escape the tutorial on the original version lol
HOW!? HOW I ASK!? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE BLESSED WITH ANOTHER VIDEO SO QUICKLY AFTER THE LAST ONE!? GODS BE PRAISED!!! And like always, a comment and a like for the algorithm.
Thank you! As I said in my comment this "style" of video is much quicker for me to do compared to my "video essay" comparison stuff. In all honesty, I could do 2 of these a WEEK no problem!
@@FrostbreakYT If you care about this kind of feedback i watch you for 3 reasons. 1. personality 2. Elder Scrolls content 3. How thorough you are in your esseys That being said, despite my preference for the Elder Scrolls video esseys format on your channel, i would still watch your videos if you decided to change the format of your videos or even start playing games beyond the Elder Scrolls Franchise. Your videos always make my day and this one was fun as well.
@@timothyjavor Wow, thank you so much. I doubt I move away from the essay format; that's my bread and butter. It's just takes SO much time, you know? For example: I want to do a daggerfall essay, BUT normally I'd just record this gameplay on my own, THEN do the essay. With this format I can record, share it, get advice, then do the essay. Regardless, thank you for the comment; I've received a lot of great feedback on this video
I also started at Skyrim, but I was lucky enough to have someone help ease me into Daggerfall and loved it right from the start. It's completely unrivaled still as a fantasy life simulator. There's very few limits to the RP possible, character builds can vary drastically and the sheer scale of the world is just awe inspiring. I can't wait to see Wayward Realms when that comes out, a modern take on this formula sounds like such a treat.
"This is the easy mode, this is the easy mode btw." I laughed so hard at this, okay? Dude, I played Daggerfall with Unity-it gives the game some updates so it doesn’t feel that dated. It’s still super challenging, but it’s a much better experience... Especially for your eyes. If you plan to keep playing, I definitely recommend it, even just to use better resolutions. :)
Yeah I don't see a world where I go back to the classic Daggerfall. The controls are brutal. The game is still tough on Unity, but I feel like I can actually "play" the game lol.
Classic Daggerfall has the same controls than unity. You can toggle to bind your view to mouse movement, like modern fps. But to play games these days you had to read the manual, ingame tutorials were pretty limited
@@FrostbreakYT one of the main reasons I've recommended people to start with the virgin editions first, is for that they'd learn and know the actual difference between the engines by getting the respective taste (helps to value the modders too). There's some hardcore/old-school fans whom push for "the first playthrough should be the OG virgin edition" - personally... nah! Let the stiff mode be for future option.
Let me know what you guys think about this video style! Normally my videos are 90% post 10% live; this one is the opposite. The plus side is I can get these videos out every 3 days EASILY (compared to my essays which take 12-14 days). Still working on more highly produced stuff in the background (Legends, Fallout, Oblivion etc.) but I want to know what you guys think about videos like this. 4-5 hours of content edited down to 10-20 minutes with a more rapid pacing. The great thing about this is I can still do a "Daggerfall" video essay after I've played through it! You just get to see more stuff more frequently (although I understand if that's too much "Frostbreak" lol).
I found the video quite different. It's not exactly the kind of content I usually follow, but that doesn’t make it bad, just... different? In the end, it hits the main goal: it’s pure entertainment, and I had some good laughs. Congrats on the great work, as always, very well done! :D
It had me giggling in a misery-loves-company sort of way. Why go into full on analysis of a game I haven't played since it was (relatively) new, and didn't like then because Morrowind was so much better? I never finished it the first time either. I tried to get into it when it was released free on Steam, and it was hopeless.
@@shavanerad9038 well I'm glad my misery provides some entertainment xD Yes I agree, the classic version is rough. Honestly; I think the GOG Cut goes a little too far from the classic version. I'd love a playable rendition more akin to the style of the first; with useable controls.
I haven’t finished the video yet, but just got to the Ragequit section and I’ll say that I’ve really enjoyed it so far and would love to see more content like this alongside your usual video essay style. I’m not one for streams due to a few different reasons, so seeing your live reactions to gameplay in a video format is great!
Damn...You just showed me why so many people gave up in the first dungeon...I used to laugh and think they were mentally challenged...because I never had a problem and actually farm the first dungeon and left it at lvl 3 when I played it back in the day...but then again...i also had 9939334394394394 hrs in ES: Arena so I understood how the game worked, basically D&D rolling system, not actual direct contact. so your build was important.
I think its more of an issue that modern gaming has set the controls in stone unlike the 90s. Because of this people arent as good as adapting to different control schemes as older players. That is not a bad thing though.
13:28 Fun fact about Daggerfall's world size: It's approximately the size of Great Britain! Definitely a good reason to have that fast travel feature so you don't have to ACTUALLY do days worth of travelling. And yeah, as someone who's played both Arena and Daggerfall and beaten it, they're definitely...antiquated. Unity isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than playing the DOS version. Daggerfall has a lot of weird quirks. Your class decides what equipment you're able to use irrespective of skill. You might get a disease fighting monsters and, without a way to cure it, you might legit die before you can get to the nearest town for the cure. Still fun in it's own way, though! I don't know if you'd ever be interested in giving Arena a try, considering it's even older than Daggerfall, but if you ever decide to here's some advice: - There's a mod on the Nexus called "TES Arena Re-Remapped" that changes the controls to be more up to modern standards. It remaps the keys to something different, but holding CTRL reverts them to normal, which is perfect for writing your save. - Stock up on plenty of potions whenever you can. Always have at LEAST 3 Potions of Healing, 3 Potions of Cure Poison/Disease, 3 Potions of Free Action. You can get by with just the healing potions and the poison potions at first, but you're going to want to have plenty of these as the game progresses. - Also, I HIGHLY recommend making multiple saves for every step of the main quest. Even in 2024, the game can still glitch; better to have a save in case the main quest glitches and you get softlocked. In order: [Save for the start of one province's quest] [Save for the next step of the quest] [Save for when you're prepared, you're ready to delve a dungeon.] [Save for the start of the dungeon, just in case] [Dungeon Save 1] [Dungeon Save 2] [Dungeon Save 3] [Feel free to use this slot for anything] [Save for when you've completed a dungeon's goal and need to leave] [Leave Dungeon Save 2, alternate as you make each floor of the dungeon] Hope some of this helps! ^^
Thank you! I'm going to right this down in my notes. Arena is on my list for sure, so is redguard; but I wasn't quite sure how to access them for videos and recording. Is there engine updates for them too?
@@FrostbreakYT There's a mod on nexusmods that remaps the controls I'd recommend, but no engine update. Someone is working on something for Arena but I don't think it's too close to completion.
1:20 Yes, Daggerfall is a slightly tweaked real-time version of AD&D. This was quite common for CRPGs of the era, which were mostly trying to literally be D&D with the computer playing the role of DM.
Something to note is Daggerfall was released when games came with beefy manuals and yes - you were expected to read those front to back before starting the game. I highly recommend looking stuff up for this game as it's more complex than its follow ups. The main quest alone has like half a dozen plot threads being juggled that you can do in various orders and like 7 endings. Most of your questing will be done with the factions - there'll be a quest giver for each faction (I'd strongly recommend looking the quests up as they're randomly selected, don't care about your level or competently, have time limits, and WILL hurt your faction rep if you fail/abandon it). You can also find misc quests by talking to random bar patrons and store owners (not a guarantee), these are more random and you won't really know what you're gonna get. Oh, and nobles have their own batch of quests they can give out. Temple factions are exclusive to each other, with a Temple faction dedicated to each of the EIGHT Divines (Talos doesn't become a thing until after the events of Daggerfall). They have similar pools of quests & skill requirements but they give different benefits. I'd highly recommend looking them up instead of picking one at random. Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood are all here as expected. For Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood, you need to steal/kill successfully and they'll contact you for a job - if you fail that job (by not doing it in time), you will be locked out of those factions. Same goes for if you become a Vampire while you're a member (since you technically died and thus aren't a member anymore). Archeologists' Guild is a fan faction modded into the game, mostly as a means to provide a non-magic player with some gameplay options they'd normally be locked out of. As for Vampirism and Lycanthropy, yes, you can be either one of them. For Lycanthropes, you can either become a Werewolf or a Wereboar. For Vampires - there's I think 11? Vampire Clans in the game, though they don't really function as proper factions in vanilla (some cut content there). Oh! Witch Covens are also factions in the game which can offer quests, summon the Daedric Princes, etc - but you can't join them.
Never been exposed to Daggerfall before, and randomly found this video today as I looked up what the gameplay was like. Great video. Hope you make more
Common, even on the dos version you can remap keys and switch from cursor moving mode to regular "modern" controls Players really need to check the options on their games xd
Okay, so objectively, the whole time you were in the tutorial dungeon, real-time commentary happened to be superior than the scripted one. However, once you got out, your commentary gradually lost its momentum and I had less fun. If you make PART 2, I'd be happy for a more hybrid approach.
Thank you very much; that's some great feedback! I felt the same way. Part of me is trying to figure out a good balance between "sustainable" and "quality". My last 2 videos took me over 100 hours to make combined; and they both didn't quite get the reception I was looking for. This video took me like 4-5 hours tops; but is unfamiliar territory (content-wise) for me so I'm still getting used to it. I think I still need to experiment with the formula a bit :)
@@FrostbreakYT Well, you made me happy with this video because I didn't expect to like the first half that much, you're welcome. The video before this one could benefit from a thumbnail upgrade and maybe a title more focused on a broader audience. But I'd do it only if the video has good engagement score (e.g. avg duration). If you enjoy making the last TES videos no matter their views, keep it up, if no, try some other series. I'll gladly stick around. Just don't burnout, okay?
@@pipebombpete.6861 I wanted to make a clear distinction between authentic and scripted voiceover. Some Let's Plays can be scripted, too. (e.g. videogamedunkey)
Thank you! Hey, it's all part of the fun; looking back on it my crashout was pretty funny. Not sure I'd put myself through the 1996 version again; but at least I can say I tried it :)
Lol this was one of the funniest yet, reminded me of your Morrowind introduction. The emotional rollercoaster from rage quitting the OG version, to one shotting the bats in Unity thinking it was going to be easy, to almost ragequitting again against the skeleton was hilarious lol.
Pretty much sums up my first experience as well xD I'm glad I didn't give up though. It truly is an amazing experience once you get past all the jank and intro-stuff.
Manuals are important when playing old games. Controls weren’t as set in stone, neither were game mechanics. And tutorials weren’t as detailed because it was assumed you read the manual. That’s not to say that reading the manual will make the game not dated, but it would make it less frustrating. Haven’t played dagger-fall much, but that was my experience with Arena, which is the game before dagger-fall. Made the game much more enjoyable (still not enough to bother beating it though, it seemed like it got repetitive after finding the first piece of the staff). Also, 8:27 if I had to guess it’s because your an argonian. It’s the same in Morrowind. Beast races can’t wear footwear or helmets.
Nice vid! I would recommend to just play with Unity alone (Not GOG Cut due to it have many outdated mod in it) and tweak some setting on main menu. IMO it just enough to enjoy Daggerfall close to vanilla as possible. I also started playing Daggerfall with pre-character-build not too long it's kick my butt lol. But when you get the gameplay loop for it this is like a new adventure and new experience not like later game on series. Talk is key in this one and enjoy.
I said that in another comment! I agree, the GOG cut seems to change quite a few things; and isn't just a simple "graphical" update like OpenMW was. Not super great with modding; but I'll give it a shot. If it keeps crashing or is too tricky I may just stick with the GOG cut. Thanks for the tips!
@@FrostbreakYT The GOG Cut of Daggerfall Unity is actually even more unstable than Standard Unity and Daggerfall Unity by itself is super easy to mod, there are folders dedicated to mod files in Daggerfall Unity where there's nothing except for some example of what type of Mod Files go there.
15:43 You are charged with Vagrancy. Which is a person, often in poverty, who wanders from place to place without a home or regular employment or income. Good luck with that
Welcome to games built for people that built, tunes, and thoroughly knew their computers. It was truly a different era. I applaud you for even trying. This game mystified me when I was 8.
Games back then not only REQUIRED you to READ the manuals, but also REQUIRED the manuals or other things included in the game box for the copy protection schemes. And there was no in-game map. You wanted to map things, you would sit there with paper and DRAW the map. I actually miss those days. So many game devs got REALLY creative with their manuals and, stuff included in the game boxes. They REALLY immersed you in that world. Some of those manuals were like novels that you had to read that really taught you the full history, and lore, of the lands you were about to explore. Heck... Many of the Ultima games came with literal cloth maps that you used to navigate around the world with. Those manuals would be the entire history of the world. They would tell you about all the major characters involved in the story, give you essential clues that you needed for a lot of puzzles, foreshadowed events, gave you a full run-down of the mechanics, skills, spells, weapon stats, etc... They REALLY DID immerse you in the world and gave you quite a meta-game in addition to what was going on in the computer. The younger generation has no clue about any of this and the last thing they would even THINK to look at when playing these old computer RPG's would be a manual, let alone a manual that could be a hundred pages long. And how many of them would think to just pull out some graph paper and physically draw out the maps instead of just fumbling around getting lost?
I simply cannot watch you move using mouse controls. I got a little into the video and my frustration watching you do that instead of using the keys drove me mad
Alot of people forget that instructions came with ganes for a reason back in the day, control schemes were far from "solved" back then when innovation was happening so much so fast
Glad youre playing this! Daggerfall is my favroite ES game. In tine you'll learn to love it and treat it more like a medieval fantasy simulation. The main quest will reach out to you when it's ready, don't worry.
@FrostbreakYT omg absolutely Unity. I played the original DOS version too, and it's just a buggy mess with very outdated controls, as you learned. I generally prefer the older pixel style graphics, so I have a custom mod load out. Additionally, I use the Climates and Calories mod, which integrates a lot of really cool survival elements in the game. These come into play as the seasons change, and as you explore the various mountainous regions or the deserts of Hammerfell.
It's really easy to set up daggerfall unity with the steam/bethesda version. Also very much worth it due to the increased modding capability. Most mods on the nexus say something along the lines of "this will NOT work with the gog cut so don't ask"
Btw the reason why you couldn't equip light armor as a rogue is because that class has the wrong armor tied to it it's supposed to have light tied to it but has plate tied to it, there's a mod in unity to fix this issue for people who want to play the classes as is but the majority of players run custom classes
Daggerfall was an amazing game when it came out. It was of a scale that pretty much we had never seen before in any computer role playing game. Man, I have so many memories. I spent MONTHS of my life playing this game.
In the original version of Daggerfall you can switch to mouse control motion, so you can look down with your mouse. And Knight class is actually favorite cuz the immunity to paralysis. Also, your class forbid you from equipping leather, not the equipment itself
Daggerfall has what is, on balance, probably the best story of an Elder Scrolls game, and some fun roleplay options and mechanics...IF you can get out of the first dungeon, which may be the worst introduction to a game I've ever seen. This was also from the "read the manual and figure everything else out yourself" era of game design, which makes it extremely daunting when the game is this sprawling and ambitious. The task of meeting the game where it's at falls entirely on the player. The map is procedurally generated (though every copy of the game comes with the same seed, so everything is always in the same place). This means it can be much larger than later games in the series - even the tiny island of Betony is larger than the entire Skyrim map. There's no reason to do anything but fast travel between marked points on the map, though - everything in between is all pixelated procgen filler. I'd recommend looking up a first-time players' guide on TH-cam if you want to keep at it. It can be rewarding, but there's a reason Morrowind still gets played and the first two Elder Scrolls games mostly don't.
Well I've escaped, been locked up, and subjected to several slurs. Looking good for a "classic" elder scrolls experience! Now I just need to figure out how to actually do the questing in this game.
@@FrostbreakYT Well, if you want to get a quest from one of the Daedric Princes, you'll need to watch the calendar. They can only be summoned on their Summoning Day (except for Sheogorath, who can also be summoned during any thunderstorm).
And to this day, he never figured out how to enable mouse look in the settings on the DOS version. Honestly, as somebody who did beat that version a few years ago, you don’t want to.
For the Main Quest, you just do stuff until someone hands you a letter--you must meet that person in the allotted amount of time or the emperor will move forward without you (no more main quest). Once you meet her you're good. Good on you for checking out old software, it can be fun to interface with, its a bit more raw. Btw, pgup and pgdn were the look up and down keys.
If you dive deeper into the game you will find that it is very rich in various features to discover. Here are just a few: * There are 2 kinds of lycanthropy - you can either become werewolf or wereboar, and the second one looks damn cool * You can get the daedric quest by literally performing summoning ritual for a specific daedric prince and each of them can be summonned only at ONE SPECIFIC DAY OF THE YEAR * This is the only TES game where you can buy your own ship * Unlike other TES games there are many different endings for the main quest, literally non-linear. And that is where those "dragon break" term comes from as they did not pick and specific ending to be a canon for later events * There is such a type of item as "painting". Unlike Oblivion where paintings are decorations only in this game you can keep them in inventory and open to look the detailed picture * There is a variable reputation system in which you can have different respect among criminals, nobles, commoners and specific factions * You may not see the effects of a magical item and to reveal them you have to visit mages guild and pay for "magic item identification" service * Among the number of skills your character can have you will find that the game actually has many languages to learn, there are orcish, daedric, impish, giantish, nymph, harpy, centaurian, spriggan and dragonish; they help to talk with creatures instead of fighting them * Class maker allows you to pick phobia of specific kinds of creatures; restrictions to wear equipment of specific materials like mythril or ebony or specific types like chain or plate (guess that's what we see in the video and what confused the author); have advantages depending on day/night or being in water * You can be a levitating werewolf riding on a horse all at once
A few thoughts. Good on you for attempting the original. I’m not that brave. The GoG version of Daggerfall Unity is out of date. It’s got some horrendous bugs that got patched out. You’ll want to get Daggerfall Unity from the actual site and potentially mods from nexus. Lastly, since stats aren’t what they seem and are useless. Following a build guide might be in order if you want to have any fun paying this game.
This game is, in my opinion THE best elder scrolls. Brutal difficulty, amazing character customisation. But playing the dos version is torture to modern sensibilities. In terms of character customisation Morrowind was already a step down. And all the subsequent titles are only half the rpgs that daggerfall was at best. If you want an optimal character, make somebody who is capable of using magic. Mark and recall will be your bestest of friends in this game. And consider making your own class that has an immunity to diseases. Resting inside of dungeons can give you lethal ones. I bricked 4 playthroughs by getting the plague.
The OG daggerfall is litteraly D&D but in computer form with attack roll everytime you swing and all (TES started as some sort of homebrew D&D so its expected the first games where as such) Daggerfall map in size is about as big as the whole of the UK People also made it a authentic immersion :as an outsider (even more so as another race) expect to be treated like trash by the citizen until you've proven yourself The worst part of it is mostly navigation : you NEED to talk and ask directions or you never get to find anything in towns quest wise
I heard that! The elder scrolls lore started as a private D&D campaign; so that makes sense. That's an insanely huge map wtf. I will make sure to talk to people for directions, that sounds like MW's scout system but harder xD
Speed is the best stat and when making a character, always pick the ebony dagger, it fucks. The difficulty is very front-loaded, but it gets easier soon.
So, this game was actually really impressive for 1996, back when I was in high school. I can remember reading video game magazines about it and how much praise it was getting for its innovative and realistic world and characters. It's still kinda strange and a little humorous to see zoomers interact with what was cutting-edge technology of my youth. That being said, you did really well trying to learn a game literally older than you are.
This is actually an amazing game, you just have to take it for what it is. For instance, sure, not everyone is going to have quests. However, if you join a guild or temple or Knight's order you will find quest givers. Make sure you look at your journal to get some quest details and be mindful that some quests have time limits.
I love Daggerfall, but honestly I cannot play the older Elder Scrolls games without first watching a short guide on TH-cam first, just to understand how to properly build a character and navigate the world. The mods for the Unity version are also amazing and I almost never play Daggerfall anymore without first making my own mod list.
Nothing like a Frostbreak video to make my day better! Btw, you kept asking how big things are during the video. Answering your question, the map of the game is around little more than 77% of the size of Great britain. How? procedural generation, of course ;D
Thanks Rapha :) wait, how can it be procedurally generated if each game uses the same map? Are some things different for certain people like city locations?
@@FrostbreakYT If you use the same seed for the procedural generation you get the same map. Really enjoyed your taster of Daggerfall, brings back lots of memories of playing games in the 90s, pre-WASD :D :D personally I think you should stick with the original version for the real taste of what we saw as excellent back then.
I would love to stick to the original; but it also crashed a few times and wasn't super compatible with my monitor/resolution. I think I'm going to try and get unity and make it as close as I can to vanillia; much like what OpenMW does for Morrowind.
I’ve been playing through Arena, which is way more rough than daggerfall IMO, but I’ve been loving it. People back in the day had to read the manual in order to figure out how to play as it is a very complicated game compared to Skyrim and they didn’t really have much in the way of tutorials back then. I would recommend downloading the manual and giving it a read or watching some guide videos
@ Arena is free on steam and GOG, but I have a disc version that came in the elder scrolls anthology, which has disc copies of all 5 elder scrolls games. I have no idea about redguard, but I’m sure it’s available to emulate somewhere
Unity edition will make it more bearable. My advice to you is make your starter character a Redguard warrior. You can melee through most things early on and you get resistence to disease and are good with any weapon. Make sure to join the Fighter's Guild as soon as possible. Then choose wizard as your next character (join the mages guild as soon as possible) and rogue 3rd (find the hidden thieves and assassin's guild and join ASAP). The game has guidebooks made about it so download them to absorb as much as possible. Keep in mind when this game came out nobody else was making games this large so you were at the bleeding edge of open world RPG. Games like Ultima was the inspiration for games like this. IE big world to explore, no real knowledge of what to do until you asked people and gathered information yourself, and lots of dungeons. (so much content that it feels like you could play them forever and not see everything) It was the nerd's dream pen and paper CRPG game were it not for the countless bugs. (which later got patched) This is the game that got Bethesda the reputation as the leaders of the open world RPG from a first person view. It's a piece of history which shows how ambitious these guys were. I remember reading about them in Edge magazine. Starfield is the return to form that goes back to the format of Daggerfall. (huge amount of empty space with towns scattered in places where only life would support it. The opposite of the modern Elder Scrolls games where you just bump into towns by accident because everything is squished so close together)
Daggerfall has a 97 page manual that you really have to read to fully understand this game. That was par for the course for most computer RPG's back then. There's a LOT of mechanics and story stuff in there that you need to know. It's near impossible to just, "Jump into Daggerfall" and know what you're doing or what's going on in the world without reading that manual.
1:55 That is Chancellor Ocato. Yep. That's him. Nevermind the chin beard, the lack of elf ears, and bald head. Uriel VII in the previous game had a full beard and head of hair, but went bald by this time. He did manage to grow back his hair after this game. Maybe Ocato figured it out and told him how to do it.
Fun fact: That small island to the south west of the red-blinking territory you're on at 13:08 when looking at the map screen? That one between the mainland and the sea serpent on the map. That small island in Daggerfall is the same size as all of Skyrim's game world. Everything you can do in TES V: Skyrim fits on that tiny island.
I MADE A SECOND VIDEO WITH REGULAR UNITY! (you can stop asking me now lol): th-cam.com/video/B-nV0fgXS3g/w-d-xo.html
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This should be the top comment.
This is like watching a kid try to use touch screen on a gameboy
As my old man would say, it's like watching a monkey f*ck a football.
😂😂😂😂
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Why are you watching kids?
@idonoteatbees5476 buahagahashah
Yeah, the tutorial dungeon is notorious for breaking people.
Here are some tips:
1. The GoG Unity Version is heavily outdated, it's better to download and mod it manually
2. Some classes cannot equip certain items because of their material, like leather for example
3. You can ask people for quests in the dialog box. There is a big button that says work
4. You will recieve a letter that lets you continue the main quest. It's actually quite interesting storywise
5. You can create your own class by choosing the Custom class during character creation
6. The skeletons aren't actually that tanky, you just had a low hit-chance, because of your skills and stats.
Daggerfall is quite difficult at the beginning, but once you figure out how things work it's a lot of fun.
Also probably a good thing that you played the DOS Version first incase you ever want to play Arena or Battlespire, because they have the same insane controls (Yes, I still have PTSD from my 36 hour Arena playthrough lol)
This is so helpful thank you so much. A LOT of people have already warned me about BOTH the classic/GOG-cut versions; and to swap to unity before I get too far in my playthrough. I'll be looking up a tutorial for how to install it before this weekend :)
And thank you for the answers! I'm going to print out the user manual and read through it. I try my best to ensure my experience can be somewhat similar to what it was back in 1996 (no online guides, exploits, etc.). Do mobs like the skeleton take more damage from certain weapons? I assumed the mace would do more than the sword; but it was worse.
@@FrostbreakYT Love your way of playing games :)
Yes, maces (and blunt weapons in general) do more damage to skeletons, but your blunt weapon skill was probably lower than your longblade skill, which is why you didn't hit him. You can hear from the sound effects if an enemy parries or dodges.
Oh and another recommendation: Read some of the ingame books. They are well written and the lore was quite different back then. Many cool things (like were-sharks) have sadly vanished since. (And of course don't forget that Queen Barenziah is the real Lusty Argonian Maid)
@@FrostbreakYT I'm not sure on the type of weapon, but the material of the weapon can be really important. Some materials of weapons can't harm others. I made this mistake several times after selling certain weapons to get some money and then crying my way out of a dungeon because my sword couldn't harm an enemy. Another tip, don't try to explore the whole map like I tried to, the maps in Skyrim or Oblivion are easy to explore because of their small size, but Daggerfall's map size is about 624,000 square miles and similar in size to Great Britain, so fast travel is absolutely necessary to get around easily.
What OP said. Install the latest Daggerfall Unity version.
@@FrostbreakYT Please don't overlook the OP's suggestion to make a custom class - it is a great experience in itself! And it is very fun to get an idea for a character and realise it through the custom class creation.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't believe people actually played the DOS version. How spoiled we are.
By the way, the guy on the right is Chancellor Ocato, the elf you bring Martin Septim to at the end of Oblivion. Way more imposing in Daggerfall.
Last time I played oblivion I was 8, so I barely remember it. I really need to play it again. Yeah the DOS version is... special... not my cup of tea but I totally understand people swear by it. I saw your video today too! You are a significantly more competent player than myself haha
DOS version is fine, you just have to configure the controls
@FrostbreakYT also there's theory stating that "bald" guy with a torch in intro next to Tiber septim is our character from arena. In oblivion we can see him, in oblivion he's altmer [somehow] and granted rank... the same rank which was hold by arena villain, defeated by our arena character lol
@@loccapo Those aren't actually contradictory. The last mention in lore of the player character from Arena is "Uriel Septim claims that the hero will rule by his side" and the first mention in lore of Ocato is "Ocato became Imperial Battlemage to replace the treacherous Jagar Tharn". We don't know anything about Ocato's birth or background before he became the emperor's right hand man, so it's entirely possible they are one and the same.
@@janbarbera2161 DOS version in 1996 was fine when we had CRT monitors, its not fine anymore.
Daggerfall has a lore-accurate, non-condensed map size and scale, meaning the total area of the map is about 209331 square kilometres and has a population of about 750000. The travel time listed when you fast travel is the time it takes your character to walk to the selected destination.
Good lord. Is there stuff to do in between those spaces or is it just forest? If it's lore-accurate, I'd assume it's just mainly wilderness but the map looks pretty populated.
@FrostbreakYT you can get random encounters, but the game intends that you use Fast Travel to traverse the wilderness in pretty much all circumstances. Every location, no matter how minor, starts off flagged on the map, the main skill in traversal is time management, as most non-story quests are time sensitive, so you want to give yourself time to spare if you take one on. You can speed up travel considerably by buying a horse, which you just keep in mallet space or something when in dungeons or buildings, and if you buy a carriage you can empty your inventory of vendor trash items between dungeons, but both are expensive early on.
@@GrowlingRB24You just shocked a Canadian
@@GrowlingRB24 That's not true, Daggerfall is approximately the size of the UK, which is significantly smaller than Canada.
@@davidsmith7752 Yes you're correct, the UK is what I meant. Don't know why I wrote Canada. My mistake!
When you saw a classic PC text menu screen and thought you were being hacked, I instantly aged twenty years.
"Morrowind I want to apologize" lmfao this got me crying
Me too, but only because I rate Daggerfall's combat far above Morrowind's.
I don't know what his problem was, I remember killing Skellies alright in Daggerfall.
This could serve as a meta-commentary on how CRPGs have become so diluted over the years that concepts like stats and dice rolls feel alien to newer generations.
"diluted" are you fr dude? they're better because they got rid of the outdated tabletop game mechanics and replaced them with stuff which actually makes sense without reading a manual
@@hoagie911 Brainrotted.
@@hoagie911this is another example of it, the entire point of daggerfall is that it’s essentially meant to be dungeons and dragons but on the computer and by urself, also it doesn’t make it better it gives it less depth, whether u like it more or less is not better or worse u sound like a child saying that
@@hoagie911
You just further validated his point. You know not what you speak.
The combat in this game is literally the worst in any video game ever. So glad new RPGs have become "diluted". That way I can actually enjoy the world without dying, because my weapon randomly misses, even though I swung it right through my enemies torso.
Wild you described 1996 as “well” before you were born 😢
My dad was barely 20 xD
@@FrostbreakYT Holy shit, when you said your ESO account was your dad's I thought "wow cool, old man's playing pretty modern games", apparently I'm close to your dad's age. I die inside.
I was born in 1996...
Yo what 96 is old???? Fuck
@@WadeGLouis Yeah he's almost 50 but not quite there yet! 100% out of all my friends growing up my dad was the youngest.
The tutorial in this game is not meant to introduce you to the mechanics. It is designed to break you. If you can get through it, it means you are worthy to play the game.
One day I'll beat the 1996 classic tutorial. One day I'll be worthy...
You need to be a special kinda of person to be worthy to play this game
Well it was really that way to test your build.. if your build sucked you knew right away that it sucks.
the change from the original to the unity version was crazy! Fair play dude for playing it. I'm a big fan of ES, but morrowind is the oldest I'll play ha
For sure; I don't think I can tolerate another minute of the original. Maybe on day I'll challenge myself to escape the tutorial on the original version lol
Yo, please stick with this. It's nice seeing you explore the older titles.
Thank you! Glad you enjoy my suffering :)
This style of playthrough is hilarious dude, love the live commentary.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed :)
HOW!? HOW I ASK!? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE BLESSED WITH ANOTHER VIDEO SO QUICKLY AFTER THE LAST ONE!? GODS BE PRAISED!!!
And like always, a comment and a like for the algorithm.
Thank you! As I said in my comment this "style" of video is much quicker for me to do compared to my "video essay" comparison stuff. In all honesty, I could do 2 of these a WEEK no problem!
@@FrostbreakYT If you care about this kind of feedback i watch you for 3 reasons.
1. personality
2. Elder Scrolls content
3. How thorough you are in your esseys
That being said, despite my preference for the Elder Scrolls video esseys format on your channel, i would still watch your videos if you decided to change the format of your videos or even start playing games beyond the Elder Scrolls Franchise.
Your videos always make my day and this one was fun as well.
@@timothyjavor Wow, thank you so much. I doubt I move away from the essay format; that's my bread and butter. It's just takes SO much time, you know? For example: I want to do a daggerfall essay, BUT normally I'd just record this gameplay on my own, THEN do the essay. With this format I can record, share it, get advice, then do the essay. Regardless, thank you for the comment; I've received a lot of great feedback on this video
Same 👍
I also started at Skyrim, but I was lucky enough to have someone help ease me into Daggerfall and loved it right from the start. It's completely unrivaled still as a fantasy life simulator. There's very few limits to the RP possible, character builds can vary drastically and the sheer scale of the world is just awe inspiring. I can't wait to see Wayward Realms when that comes out, a modern take on this formula sounds like such a treat.
"This is the easy mode, this is the easy mode btw."
I laughed so hard at this, okay? Dude, I played Daggerfall with Unity-it gives the game some updates so it doesn’t feel that dated. It’s still super challenging, but it’s a much better experience... Especially for your eyes. If you plan to keep playing, I definitely recommend it, even just to use better resolutions. :)
Yeah I don't see a world where I go back to the classic Daggerfall. The controls are brutal. The game is still tough on Unity, but I feel like I can actually "play" the game lol.
Classic Daggerfall has the same controls than unity. You can toggle to bind your view to mouse movement, like modern fps. But to play games these days you had to read the manual, ingame tutorials were pretty limited
@@FrostbreakYT one of the main reasons I've recommended people to start with the virgin editions first, is for that they'd learn and know the actual difference between the engines by getting the respective taste (helps to value the modders too).
There's some hardcore/old-school fans whom push for "the first playthrough should be the OG virgin edition" - personally... nah! Let the stiff mode be for future option.
Yes. Unity is a Godsend for this game. Is it perfect? No. It still has issues, but it beats the vanilla experience by a mile.
@@KohaAlbertI did tutorial dungeon in DOS then moved to unity for the rest of the game. I think that was a decent way to go about it
Let me know what you guys think about this video style! Normally my videos are 90% post 10% live; this one is the opposite. The plus side is I can get these videos out every 3 days EASILY (compared to my essays which take 12-14 days). Still working on more highly produced stuff in the background (Legends, Fallout, Oblivion etc.) but I want to know what you guys think about videos like this. 4-5 hours of content edited down to 10-20 minutes with a more rapid pacing. The great thing about this is I can still do a "Daggerfall" video essay after I've played through it! You just get to see more stuff more frequently (although I understand if that's too much "Frostbreak" lol).
I found the video quite different. It's not exactly the kind of content I usually follow, but that doesn’t make it bad, just... different? In the end, it hits the main goal: it’s pure entertainment, and I had some good laughs. Congrats on the great work, as always, very well done! :D
@@FabresFour Thanks, figured I'd try something new.
It had me giggling in a misery-loves-company sort of way. Why go into full on analysis of a game I haven't played since it was (relatively) new, and didn't like then because Morrowind was so much better? I never finished it the first time either.
I tried to get into it when it was released free on Steam, and it was hopeless.
@@shavanerad9038 well I'm glad my misery provides some entertainment xD
Yes I agree, the classic version is rough. Honestly; I think the GOG Cut goes a little too far from the classic version. I'd love a playable rendition more akin to the style of the first; with useable controls.
I haven’t finished the video yet, but just got to the Ragequit section and I’ll say that I’ve really enjoyed it so far and would love to see more content like this alongside your usual video essay style. I’m not one for streams due to a few different reasons, so seeing your live reactions to gameplay in a video format is great!
Damn...You just showed me why so many people gave up in the first dungeon...I used to laugh and think they were mentally challenged...because I never had a problem and actually farm the first dungeon and left it at lvl 3 when I played it back in the day...but then again...i also had 9939334394394394 hrs in ES: Arena so I understood how the game worked, basically D&D rolling system, not actual direct contact. so your build was important.
I think its more of an issue that modern gaming has set the controls in stone unlike the 90s. Because of this people arent as good as adapting to different control schemes as older players. That is not a bad thing though.
You had an option to change the controls in the settings. If you wanted to look around with the mouse, you could just chose the other option.
Both you AND Just Background Noise uploaded a Daggerfall video, we are blessed this day.
That's cool! Daggerfall is getting it's time in the sun today :)
AND josh strife hayes!
13:28 Fun fact about Daggerfall's world size: It's approximately the size of Great Britain! Definitely a good reason to have that fast travel feature so you don't have to ACTUALLY do days worth of travelling.
And yeah, as someone who's played both Arena and Daggerfall and beaten it, they're definitely...antiquated. Unity isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than playing the DOS version.
Daggerfall has a lot of weird quirks. Your class decides what equipment you're able to use irrespective of skill. You might get a disease fighting monsters and, without a way to cure it, you might legit die before you can get to the nearest town for the cure. Still fun in it's own way, though!
I don't know if you'd ever be interested in giving Arena a try, considering it's even older than Daggerfall, but if you ever decide to here's some advice:
- There's a mod on the Nexus called "TES Arena Re-Remapped" that changes the controls to be more up to modern standards. It remaps the keys to something different, but holding CTRL reverts them to normal, which is perfect for writing your save.
- Stock up on plenty of potions whenever you can. Always have at LEAST 3 Potions of Healing, 3 Potions of Cure Poison/Disease, 3 Potions of Free Action. You can get by with just the healing potions and the poison potions at first, but you're going to want to have plenty of these as the game progresses.
- Also, I HIGHLY recommend making multiple saves for every step of the main quest. Even in 2024, the game can still glitch; better to have a save in case the main quest glitches and you get softlocked. In order:
[Save for the start of one province's quest]
[Save for the next step of the quest]
[Save for when you're prepared, you're ready to delve a dungeon.]
[Save for the start of the dungeon, just in case]
[Dungeon Save 1]
[Dungeon Save 2]
[Dungeon Save 3]
[Feel free to use this slot for anything]
[Save for when you've completed a dungeon's goal and need to leave]
[Leave Dungeon Save 2, alternate as you make each floor of the dungeon]
Hope some of this helps! ^^
Kinda funny how even Bethesda's early works still got game breaking bugs from the jump. It really is their signature.
Thank you! I'm going to right this down in my notes. Arena is on my list for sure, so is redguard; but I wasn't quite sure how to access them for videos and recording. Is there engine updates for them too?
@@FrostbreakYT There's a mod on nexusmods that remaps the controls I'd recommend, but no engine update. Someone is working on something for Arena but I don't think it's too close to completion.
Sharp as knife, sharpest knight, darkest knight, dark knight, knight fall protocol, knife fall, daggerfall, it’s all coming together. You’re Argonian Batman.
I am lizard vengeance
1:20 Yes, Daggerfall is a slightly tweaked real-time version of AD&D. This was quite common for CRPGs of the era, which were mostly trying to literally be D&D with the computer playing the role of DM.
YO, there IS a camera mouse option you know, it's literally the second game to offer it ever
I'd honestly love to see more of this! See how far you can get. Only if it is bearable, though!
The challenge + crippling mental insanity is part of the fun :)
Thank you for this offering of your pain. I’ve actually never seen gameplay of Daggerfall before so this has been super interesting!
0:53 Now you know how elders scrolled.
Love your stuff man! Keep up the good work and thank you for taking time out of you day to make these videos!
Thank you for watching! Honestly, videos like this are super fun to make so I don't consider it "time spent" :)
Something to note is Daggerfall was released when games came with beefy manuals and yes - you were expected to read those front to back before starting the game. I highly recommend looking stuff up for this game as it's more complex than its follow ups. The main quest alone has like half a dozen plot threads being juggled that you can do in various orders and like 7 endings.
Most of your questing will be done with the factions - there'll be a quest giver for each faction (I'd strongly recommend looking the quests up as they're randomly selected, don't care about your level or competently, have time limits, and WILL hurt your faction rep if you fail/abandon it).
You can also find misc quests by talking to random bar patrons and store owners (not a guarantee), these are more random and you won't really know what you're gonna get. Oh, and nobles have their own batch of quests they can give out.
Temple factions are exclusive to each other, with a Temple faction dedicated to each of the EIGHT Divines (Talos doesn't become a thing until after the events of Daggerfall). They have similar pools of quests & skill requirements but they give different benefits. I'd highly recommend looking them up instead of picking one at random.
Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood are all here as expected. For Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood, you need to steal/kill successfully and they'll contact you for a job - if you fail that job (by not doing it in time), you will be locked out of those factions. Same goes for if you become a Vampire while you're a member (since you technically died and thus aren't a member anymore).
Archeologists' Guild is a fan faction modded into the game, mostly as a means to provide a non-magic player with some gameplay options they'd normally be locked out of.
As for Vampirism and Lycanthropy, yes, you can be either one of them. For Lycanthropes, you can either become a Werewolf or a Wereboar. For Vampires - there's I think 11? Vampire Clans in the game, though they don't really function as proper factions in vanilla (some cut content there). Oh! Witch Covens are also factions in the game which can offer quests, summon the Daedric Princes, etc - but you can't join them.
What a great, great channel this is! Some daggerfall stuff and then arena!
Oh boy. Arena will be an interesting adventure for sure
Never been exposed to Daggerfall before, and randomly found this video today as I looked up what the gameplay was like.
Great video. Hope you make more
Visibly winced when I saw you download the GOG cut 😂 I promise Daggerfall is lovable!
"The perfect Argonian name"
Darggerfall Argonians: "we don't do that here"
Oh do they not?? I thought I was being lore-friendly :(
@@FrostbreakYT Daggerfall Argonians have weird latin-sounding names.
The Argonian names we're used to started with Morrowind.
Common, even on the dos version you can remap keys and switch from cursor moving mode to regular "modern" controls
Players really need to check the options on their games xd
Okay, so objectively, the whole time you were in the tutorial dungeon, real-time commentary happened to be superior than the scripted one. However, once you got out, your commentary gradually lost its momentum and I had less fun. If you make PART 2, I'd be happy for a more hybrid approach.
Thank you very much; that's some great feedback! I felt the same way. Part of me is trying to figure out a good balance between "sustainable" and "quality". My last 2 videos took me over 100 hours to make combined; and they both didn't quite get the reception I was looking for. This video took me like 4-5 hours tops; but is unfamiliar territory (content-wise) for me so I'm still getting used to it. I think I still need to experiment with the formula a bit :)
@@FrostbreakYT Well, you made me happy with this video because I didn't expect to like the first half that much, you're welcome. The video before this one could benefit from a thumbnail upgrade and maybe a title more focused on a broader audience. But I'd do it only if the video has good engagement score (e.g. avg duration). If you enjoy making the last TES videos no matter their views, keep it up, if no, try some other series. I'll gladly stick around. Just don't burnout, okay?
For sure :) thanks again for the advice
We call that a "let's play"
@@pipebombpete.6861 I wanted to make a clear distinction between authentic and scripted voiceover. Some Let's Plays can be scripted, too. (e.g. videogamedunkey)
This video was very fun! Please continue this series!
Okay!
Oh yeah Skeletons on Daggerfall are... interesting.
Keep it going I will be happy to watch another one Daggerfal related. :3
Sounds like a plan!
As someone who's never played Daggerfall, I'm impressed you took the leap to try it :D Thanks for the laughs :D
Glad you giggled at my peril
Fun video! I'm so sorry for your difficulty.
I like this video style. Just a highlights let's-play, some narration here and there!
Thank you! Hey, it's all part of the fun; looking back on it my crashout was pretty funny. Not sure I'd put myself through the 1996 version again; but at least I can say I tried it :)
Lol this was one of the funniest yet, reminded me of your Morrowind introduction. The emotional rollercoaster from rage quitting the OG version, to one shotting the bats in Unity thinking it was going to be easy, to almost ragequitting again against the skeleton was hilarious lol.
Pretty much sums up my first experience as well xD I'm glad I didn't give up though. It truly is an amazing experience once you get past all the jank and intro-stuff.
Manuals are important when playing old games. Controls weren’t as set in stone, neither were game mechanics. And tutorials weren’t as detailed because it was assumed you read the manual. That’s not to say that reading the manual will make the game not dated, but it would make it less frustrating.
Haven’t played dagger-fall much, but that was my experience with Arena, which is the game before dagger-fall. Made the game much more enjoyable (still not enough to bother beating it though, it seemed like it got repetitive after finding the first piece of the staff).
Also, 8:27 if I had to guess it’s because your an argonian. It’s the same in Morrowind. Beast races can’t wear footwear or helmets.
Nice vid! I would recommend to just play with Unity alone (Not GOG Cut due to it have many outdated mod in it) and tweak some setting on main menu. IMO it just enough to enjoy Daggerfall close to vanilla as possible. I also started playing Daggerfall with pre-character-build not too long it's kick my butt lol. But when you get the gameplay loop for it this is like a new adventure and new experience not like later game on series. Talk is key in this one and enjoy.
I said that in another comment! I agree, the GOG cut seems to change quite a few things; and isn't just a simple "graphical" update like OpenMW was. Not super great with modding; but I'll give it a shot. If it keeps crashing or is too tricky I may just stick with the GOG cut. Thanks for the tips!
@@FrostbreakYT The GOG Cut of Daggerfall Unity is actually even more unstable than Standard Unity and Daggerfall Unity by itself is super easy to mod, there are folders dedicated to mod files in Daggerfall Unity where there's nothing except for some example of what type of Mod Files go there.
@@theseamoon2180 Okay thank you for this info. I will look up a tutorial if it seems to be the resounding piece of advice.
@@FrostbreakYT GOG cut is several years old modpack using outdated core DFU. They should just take it down from site to be fair.
@@antonisauren8998 oh RIP. Well I'm glad you guys let me know before I got too far into this one.
*Ignores every tutorial screen then proceeds to talk about how hard it is to know how to play*
To be fair, in his Morrowind videos, he admitted that he and his fellow 'zoomers' don't know how to read.
This was amazing back in the day! Such a cool game 😊 Loved it!
I’m very happy with your content!!!
Hope you play more, I've never played Daggerfall but that was entertaining as hell.
Thank you glad you enjoyed :)
I contracted lycanthropy...the best mistake ive ever fuckin made.
How does one do this?
You got me some fond memories of playing Full Throtle back in the day. ^^
"Open up Todd!"
15:43 You are charged with Vagrancy. Which is a person, often in poverty, who wanders from place to place without a home or regular employment or income. Good luck with that
Fun fact, there is a Unity remake of Daggerfall that is a lot more modern friendly
Thanks! I'm looking into it :)
Glad you tried Daggerfall out, it’s an absolute trip. Can’t wait to see the Oblivion playthrough!
Oblivion is coming up! After daggerfall I think I'm going to try fallout, then Oblivion
Welcome to games built for people that built, tunes, and thoroughly knew their computers. It was truly a different era. I applaud you for even trying. This game mystified me when I was 8.
Games back then not only REQUIRED you to READ the manuals, but also REQUIRED the manuals or other things included in the game box for the copy protection schemes. And there was no in-game map. You wanted to map things, you would sit there with paper and DRAW the map. I actually miss those days. So many game devs got REALLY creative with their manuals and, stuff included in the game boxes. They REALLY immersed you in that world. Some of those manuals were like novels that you had to read that really taught you the full history, and lore, of the lands you were about to explore. Heck... Many of the Ultima games came with literal cloth maps that you used to navigate around the world with. Those manuals would be the entire history of the world. They would tell you about all the major characters involved in the story, give you essential clues that you needed for a lot of puzzles, foreshadowed events, gave you a full run-down of the mechanics, skills, spells, weapon stats, etc... They REALLY DID immerse you in the world and gave you quite a meta-game in addition to what was going on in the computer. The younger generation has no clue about any of this and the last thing they would even THINK to look at when playing these old computer RPG's would be a manual, let alone a manual that could be a hundred pages long. And how many of them would think to just pull out some graph paper and physically draw out the maps instead of just fumbling around getting lost?
This is the funniest thing ever. For the love of god, please do finish Daggerfall
Thanks man glad you enjoyed my spiraling into insanity :)
2:53 HUZZAH! 🐀
Is that an animated rpg sketch reference?😁
@@LegsON thought I was the only one😂
I simply cannot watch you move using mouse controls. I got a little into the video and my frustration watching you do that instead of using the keys drove me mad
I feel you on that for sure LOL. People said that about my Morrowind video too... I've been known to butcher nostalgic games for people
Alot of people forget that instructions came with ganes for a reason back in the day, control schemes were far from "solved" back then when innovation was happening so much so fast
Glad youre playing this! Daggerfall is my favroite ES game. In tine you'll learn to love it and treat it more like a medieval fantasy simulation. The main quest will reach out to you when it's ready, don't worry.
Do you play the 1996 version or with unity??
@FrostbreakYT omg absolutely Unity. I played the original DOS version too, and it's just a buggy mess with very outdated controls, as you learned. I generally prefer the older pixel style graphics, so I have a custom mod load out. Additionally, I use the Climates and Calories mod, which integrates a lot of really cool survival elements in the game. These come into play as the seasons change, and as you explore the various mountainous regions or the deserts of Hammerfell.
It's really easy to set up daggerfall unity with the steam/bethesda version. Also very much worth it due to the increased modding capability. Most mods on the nexus say something along the lines of "this will NOT work with the gog cut so don't ask"
Btw the reason why you couldn't equip light armor as a rogue is because that class has the wrong armor tied to it it's supposed to have light tied to it but has plate tied to it, there's a mod in unity to fix this issue for people who want to play the classes as is but the majority of players run custom classes
As someone who started with Skyrim and holds Daggerfall as their favourite Elder Scrolls game this was just funny to watch.
Daggerfall was an amazing game when it came out. It was of a scale that pretty much we had never seen before in any computer role playing game. Man, I have so many memories. I spent MONTHS of my life playing this game.
I'm a fan of these retro games and it's wild to think about how graphics have evolved since then.
Im glad i found this Channel its too funny😂😭
I laughed at "such a big city" when he wasn't even in DaggerFall city.
"Whos this guy on the right" fun fact that canonically would be high chancellor ocatto the imperial battlmage. You meet him in oblivion
In the original version of Daggerfall you can switch to mouse control motion, so you can look down with your mouse. And Knight class is actually favorite cuz the immunity to paralysis. Also, your class forbid you from equipping leather, not the equipment itself
Daggerfall has what is, on balance, probably the best story of an Elder Scrolls game, and some fun roleplay options and mechanics...IF you can get out of the first dungeon, which may be the worst introduction to a game I've ever seen. This was also from the "read the manual and figure everything else out yourself" era of game design, which makes it extremely daunting when the game is this sprawling and ambitious. The task of meeting the game where it's at falls entirely on the player.
The map is procedurally generated (though every copy of the game comes with the same seed, so everything is always in the same place). This means it can be much larger than later games in the series - even the tiny island of Betony is larger than the entire Skyrim map. There's no reason to do anything but fast travel between marked points on the map, though - everything in between is all pixelated procgen filler.
I'd recommend looking up a first-time players' guide on TH-cam if you want to keep at it. It can be rewarding, but there's a reason Morrowind still gets played and the first two Elder Scrolls games mostly don't.
Well I've escaped, been locked up, and subjected to several slurs. Looking good for a "classic" elder scrolls experience! Now I just need to figure out how to actually do the questing in this game.
@@FrostbreakYT Well, if you want to get a quest from one of the Daedric Princes, you'll need to watch the calendar. They can only be summoned on their Summoning Day (except for Sheogorath, who can also be summoned during any thunderstorm).
The map of daggerfall is roughly the same size as Great Britain. Its absolutely massive
As an older millennial watching someone relive the monotonous struggle of these games from my childhood is humous gold. keep it up 👍
I know it was painful…but this was a fun video!
And to this day, he never figured out how to enable mouse look in the settings on the DOS version.
Honestly, as somebody who did beat that version a few years ago, you don’t want to.
For the Main Quest, you just do stuff until someone hands you a letter--you must meet that person in the allotted amount of time or the emperor will move forward without you (no more main quest). Once you meet her you're good. Good on you for checking out old software, it can be fun to interface with, its a bit more raw. Btw, pgup and pgdn were the look up and down keys.
If you dive deeper into the game you will find that it is very rich in various features to discover. Here are just a few:
* There are 2 kinds of lycanthropy - you can either become werewolf or wereboar, and the second one looks damn cool
* You can get the daedric quest by literally performing summoning ritual for a specific daedric prince and each of them can be summonned only at ONE SPECIFIC DAY OF THE YEAR
* This is the only TES game where you can buy your own ship
* Unlike other TES games there are many different endings for the main quest, literally non-linear. And that is where those "dragon break" term comes from as they did not pick and specific ending to be a canon for later events
* There is such a type of item as "painting". Unlike Oblivion where paintings are decorations only in this game you can keep them in inventory and open to look the detailed picture
* There is a variable reputation system in which you can have different respect among criminals, nobles, commoners and specific factions
* You may not see the effects of a magical item and to reveal them you have to visit mages guild and pay for "magic item identification" service
* Among the number of skills your character can have you will find that the game actually has many languages to learn, there are orcish, daedric, impish, giantish, nymph, harpy, centaurian, spriggan and dragonish; they help to talk with creatures instead of fighting them
* Class maker allows you to pick phobia of specific kinds of creatures; restrictions to wear equipment of specific materials like mythril or ebony or specific types like chain or plate (guess that's what we see in the video and what confused the author); have advantages depending on day/night or being in water
* You can be a levitating werewolf riding on a horse all at once
Please play more Daggerfall I love watching you suffer
New Frostbreak video LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
A few thoughts. Good on you for attempting the original. I’m not that brave.
The GoG version of Daggerfall Unity is out of date. It’s got some horrendous bugs that got patched out. You’ll want to get Daggerfall Unity from the actual site and potentially mods from nexus.
Lastly, since stats aren’t what they seem and are useless. Following a build guide might be in order if you want to have any fun paying this game.
This game is, in my opinion THE best elder scrolls. Brutal difficulty, amazing character customisation. But playing the dos version is torture to modern sensibilities.
In terms of character customisation Morrowind was already a step down. And all the subsequent titles are only half the rpgs that daggerfall was at best.
If you want an optimal character, make somebody who is capable of using magic. Mark and recall will be your bestest of friends in this game.
And consider making your own class that has an immunity to diseases. Resting inside of dungeons can give you lethal ones. I bricked 4 playthroughs by getting the plague.
The OG daggerfall is litteraly D&D but in computer form with attack roll everytime you swing and all
(TES started as some sort of homebrew D&D so its expected the first games where as such)
Daggerfall map in size is about as big as the whole of the UK
People also made it a authentic immersion :as an outsider (even more so as another race) expect to be treated like trash by the citizen until you've proven yourself
The worst part of it is mostly navigation : you NEED to talk and ask directions or you never get to find anything in towns quest wise
I heard that! The elder scrolls lore started as a private D&D campaign; so that makes sense. That's an insanely huge map wtf. I will make sure to talk to people for directions, that sounds like MW's scout system but harder xD
I love this type of commentary but make what you think is the best
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed :)
Speed is the best stat and when making a character, always pick the ebony dagger, it fucks.
The difficulty is very front-loaded, but it gets easier soon.
So, this game was actually really impressive for 1996, back when I was in high school. I can remember reading video game magazines about it and how much praise it was getting for its innovative and realistic world and characters. It's still kinda strange and a little humorous to see zoomers interact with what was cutting-edge technology of my youth. That being said, you did really well trying to learn a game literally older than you are.
This is actually an amazing game, you just have to take it for what it is. For instance, sure, not everyone is going to have quests. However, if you join a guild or temple or Knight's order you will find quest givers. Make sure you look at your journal to get some quest details and be mindful that some quests have time limits.
Knights can only wear plate I think
Love the live commentary
Thanks!
I love Daggerfall, but honestly I cannot play the older Elder Scrolls games without first watching a short guide on TH-cam first, just to understand how to properly build a character and navigate the world. The mods for the Unity version are also amazing and I almost never play Daggerfall anymore without first making my own mod list.
Funny how he says "Where it all started" when it's actually the second game.
Nothing like a Frostbreak video to make my day better!
Btw, you kept asking how big things are during the video. Answering your question, the map of the game is around little more than 77% of the size of Great britain. How? procedural generation, of course ;D
Thanks Rapha :) wait, how can it be procedurally generated if each game uses the same map? Are some things different for certain people like city locations?
@@FrostbreakYT If you use the same seed for the procedural generation you get the same map.
Really enjoyed your taster of Daggerfall, brings back lots of memories of playing games in the 90s, pre-WASD :D :D personally I think you should stick with the original version for the real taste of what we saw as excellent back then.
I would love to stick to the original; but it also crashed a few times and wasn't super compatible with my monitor/resolution. I think I'm going to try and get unity and make it as close as I can to vanillia; much like what OpenMW does for Morrowind.
Tutorial? This is a graduation ceremony bruh....
Daggerfall's map is literally the size of real life Great Britain
I’ve been playing through Arena, which is way more rough than daggerfall IMO, but I’ve been loving it. People back in the day had to read the manual in order to figure out how to play as it is a very complicated game compared to Skyrim and they didn’t really have much in the way of tutorials back then.
I would recommend downloading the manual and giving it a read or watching some guide videos
How do you play it? I'd be down giving Arena/Redguard a try but they're hard to find online I think. Redguard specifically.
@ Arena is free on steam and GOG, but I have a disc version that came in the elder scrolls anthology, which has disc copies of all 5 elder scrolls games. I have no idea about redguard, but I’m sure it’s available to emulate somewhere
Unity edition will make it more bearable. My advice to you is make your starter character a Redguard warrior. You can melee through most things early on and you get resistence to disease and are good with any weapon. Make sure to join the Fighter's Guild as soon as possible. Then choose wizard as your next character (join the mages guild as soon as possible) and rogue 3rd (find the hidden thieves and assassin's guild and join ASAP).
The game has guidebooks made about it so download them to absorb as much as possible. Keep in mind when this game came out nobody else was making games this large so you were at the bleeding edge of open world RPG. Games like Ultima was the inspiration for games like this. IE big world to explore, no real knowledge of what to do until you asked people and gathered information yourself, and lots of dungeons. (so much content that it feels like you could play them forever and not see everything) It was the nerd's dream pen and paper CRPG game were it not for the countless bugs. (which later got patched)
This is the game that got Bethesda the reputation as the leaders of the open world RPG from a first person view. It's a piece of history which shows how ambitious these guys were. I remember reading about them in Edge magazine. Starfield is the return to form that goes back to the format of Daggerfall. (huge amount of empty space with towns scattered in places where only life would support it. The opposite of the modern Elder Scrolls games where you just bump into towns by accident because everything is squished so close together)
Daggerfall has a 97 page manual that you really have to read to fully understand this game. That was par for the course for most computer RPG's back then. There's a LOT of mechanics and story stuff in there that you need to know. It's near impossible to just, "Jump into Daggerfall" and know what you're doing or what's going on in the world without reading that manual.
This was fun.
I liked it.
Much. ❤🎉
1:55 That is Chancellor Ocato. Yep. That's him. Nevermind the chin beard, the lack of elf ears, and bald head. Uriel VII in the previous game had a full beard and head of hair, but went bald by this time. He did manage to grow back his hair after this game. Maybe Ocato figured it out and told him how to do it.
Fun fact: That small island to the south west of the red-blinking territory you're on at 13:08 when looking at the map screen? That one between the mainland and the sea serpent on the map. That small island in Daggerfall is the same size as all of Skyrim's game world. Everything you can do in TES V: Skyrim fits on that tiny island.
13 seconds in and I already feel old as f*ck, thanks