I recently listened to “Absolute Surrender “ by Andrew Murray. It is (for the most part) the exact opposite of what Andrew Farley teaches. For years after becoming a Christian, I tried to find “more of God”. I already had God living in me. I tried to “find forgiveness “ when all my sins were already forgiven. I tried to find the “deeper life” but already had it. Thank God I finally read “The Naked Gospel” and could rest in the Finished work of Christ.
We were already dead ( old man - old self ) rom 6:6, gal 2:20. It is now the Lord Jesus living His life through us. The end of self is the beginning of Christ in us.
God bless Andrew Farley for clarifying the meaning of denying of the old (!) self, not the new self in Christ where I agree with in the name and by the blood of Christ, putting twisting of scripture under the feet of Christ. Demons definitely want to twist this part of scripture, but God has our best interest in mind, praise Yah, praise Jesus! I also pray more people will find a new self in Christ within oneself. Hallelujah! Annelies Bakker, the Netherlands.
Amen. How counter is this teaching to the heretical works-based Lordship salvation found in nearly all evangelical churches and being preached by today's popular worshipped pastors!!!! Praise God for His transforming grace!!!!
One of the issues with this teaching (I really like Farley by the way) is that we still struggle with the reality that sin is ever present in our fallen nature and that we do not live as we should in every moment of life. The taking up of the cross and the denial of the self-life (that independent, morally autonomous life that seeks to justify itself apart from God), is still a necessary element of the Christian life. We are no longer condemned by sins presence in our members, but we should not think that there is no need to deny the passions and self-justifying elements of our old nature that will from time to time, wage war against us. Resisting temptation is probably similar to what Jesus meant by denying your self-life and taking up the cross. God bless you Andrew
Depends on the context. Not all verses are for godly living, not all verses are for salvation. Even in this video Andrew teaches we deny ourselves when we give in to sin, because we are in Christ. It's a beautiful message showing because we are in Christ we ought to act like it. This message doesn't deny the struggle of temptation or the necessity to be on guard. I see no issue.
so good he made us new! he gave us a new heart and he gave us new desires, his desires. we want what God wants. so it makes no sense that he makes us new and then tells us to deny and or kill ourselves .
I'm putting this here so i recall to know this an awesome message.. the James chap 1 vss of the mirror metaphor to not forget what that all is ! So this is a marking to hear this a 2nd time ! To myself JOE.
But the verse actually says take up the cross "Daily" that word implies that self denial comes after being christian as well ...because it's a daily thing not a one time thing to enable one to receive Jesus
Let Christ live through you and you through him everyday". We went with him to the cross, died was resurrected with him and now have been made into a new creation through him. What an awesome gift to have Christ living through us and guiding our lives daily".
, but I love God. Why would I deny myself? He is my hope and strength. The only thing left to deny is sin, of which I'm dead to. There are plenty of scriptures that teach stewardship, but this "self denial" doesn't seem to be one of them. It's only fitting to deny myself if I'm against God, and once upon a time I was. That man has passed away, fully denied.
@@arcguardian Denying self daily does not mean denying your core self or your new heart. It means denial of the fleshly part of yourself ; in other words our behavior reflecting our new identity is by default a denial of our fleshly selfish desires. This is a daily struggle, especially where we struggle most, with strongholds and besseting sins that easily entangles us. This denial is effected by looking to Jesus the author and perfector of our faith (Hebrews 12:1-2) Capisce?
@@cherylallis2458 truth is implied that self denial is denial of the Flesh and its impulses not a denial of one's personality or one's new heart or identity ....it's denial of the Flesh and carnality
What about in Luke 9:23 where it says to "Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me." What about the daily part in there?
@@e_brangelical Why check Bible Hub when you check an interlinear (direct, word for word from Greek) From Luke 9:23 kath’ hēmeran (Meaning "Every day") biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/9-23.htm
Mary Titus... If you can see this... I get TH-cam replied emails, but I can't see your comments... Yep, I get your point. When God promised Abraham descendants like the stars, that's not to us. Although, it's not clear to me, that we aren't supposed be among "disciplines" and followers. With that logic any of Paul's letters to the churches aren't to us, and we use none of it?
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to follow Me [as My disciple], he must deny himself [set aside selfish interests], and take up his cross [expressing a willingness to endure whatever may come] and follow Me [believing in Me, conforming to My example in living and, if need be, suffering or perhaps dying because of faith in Me]. MATTHEW 16:24 AMP
The thing about this and others you put out is the difference between offense and defense to use a sports analogy. The defense is protecting and the offense is moving forward. How can I move forward if all I am doing is defending. If i have a defective self I want protection of myself as my self will sabotage me but when myself is intact and fully His I can score touchdown after touchdown with the fruit of the Spirit.
The Apostle Paul said he buffeted his body daily bringing it into subjection lest preaching to others he himself should be disqualified. This Christian life is a daily battle and characterized in many verses as warfare, don't fall for it people!
It was a command to Israel to leave behind the system of the law and trust in Christ for salvation Paul defines in Galatians 2 that being crucified to Christ means to not trust in the law but we are alive in Christ by faith. So simple !! Paul said in Philippians 3 that he gave up all the garbage of righteousness of the law trading with the glory of being righteous by faith in Christ
The word "daily" IS NOT 100% verified to be in the original manuscripts used for translation. I also respectfully challenge you to look up the original greek verb tenses of the verbs "deny," "take," and "follow." Two of them are in the aorist tense which is a unique past tense in greek indicating a one time action that occurred in the past. Fact check it, fellow Berean. If an interpretation, no matter how interesting it sounds, does **not agree** with the grammar present in inerrant Scripture, then we should at least reconsider our conclusions and retrace.
@@2Chronicles714_ He was the Messiah to the Jews. The Jews rejected Jesus. So Jesus went to saul of Tarsus... He became Paul. Jesus taught Paul and went to the gentiles.
Wish all our hearts and minds are good with the true loving God source Spirit Creator Spirit and all the good characteristics and qualities And none of us evil or fake good..
Meat with bones???....chew the meat spit out the bones of your concern..... Farley's ok with me. I go to the holy spirit to verify truth and so far after 30 years of study I find him and Spurgen, Barclay are my mentors. Not everyone will agree with all their commentary that's why its up to you to work out your own salvation by reading scripture yourself with guidance from the HP..stop looking for perfection in man. Jesus, wants to restore your joy!!! Ppl love to judge and walk around with a critical spirit. Break the chain and take Jesus yoke and lighten the load and hv fun!!.....amen🙏🙏🙏🙏we are design to be depended on Jesus..yes!!!!!
You are so right. Why would Jesus in ( Matthew 16:24 ) command such a heavy burden for us to follow him in this passage when earlier in (Matthew 11:28-29 ) Jesus said:" Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light". So Mr. Farley's interpretation here is totally correct".
@@2Chronicles714_He told the Jews at that time to repent of sin and believe . That is the whole point why we have been going back and fourth here. You do not understand the truth of the gospel but still believe that we must repent of our sins first and believe second to be saved and then keep working and striving for his righteousness. That couldn't be further from the truth. You are living in a time past bible doctrine that was meant for the lost sheep of Israel and not meant for believers living today who are saved by grace alone by faith alone. We don't seek God's righteousness. Jesus was teaching the Jews this because they were still under covenant and that was the proper way to seek God by way of the law before the cross. When we accept Jesus Christ by grace through faith we are sanctified and made righteous through what he did for us already when we believe and not by seeking his righteousness first and then all things will be added to us after. All things have been given to us through the finished work of Christ when we believed that he did what he did when we believe this by faith.
@@2Chronicles714_In ( Matthew 6:33 ) Jesus was teaching the lost sheep of Israel to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness . In ( Romans 10:9-13 ) Paul was teaching about how Jews and Gentiles would get saved. Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness , Paul said for with the heart one believes unto righteousness. Both were telling the complete truth but those truths need to be rightly divided for whom they were meant to be taught to.
@@2Chronicles714_ ( Luke 24:47) I totally agree with what the scripture says" And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. We don't repent of sins to get God to forgive us because his forgiveness is already a done deal. We repent ( change our unbelieving minds) and receive the forgiveness he has already provided for us through in his Son. That is what this passage is saying to us. You believe that repentance means turning from sin, I believe that it means turning from unbelief to belief and here we go again. Haven't we been over this once already?
Um church I used to watch always yelling at me fight the flesh... Better not be sinning when Jesus comes I don't know when the rapture is.... So I go around don't sin don't sin Yes...He must increase we must decrease Lord of all or not Lord at all If you still have sin in your life...check ✔️✔️✔️✔️ that salvation.
Is this bizarro world? This man is blatantly twisting the words of our LORD and all the comments are applauding him, does this guy really suppose that all the great Bible teachers past and present have all erroneously interpreted these verses? If it's new it's not true and if it's true it's not new. JESUS said there would be many false prophets in the last days.
@@scottheath8302 Jesus taught you must be born again. Jesus was born under the law and He fulfilled it. That's why He said on the cross, it is finished. He adhered to the law and told others to obey it, but He also taught us about the new birth and the Spirit life. The law was our school master to show us our sin, that we would understand we are sinners and in need of a Saviour from its wages. The wrath of God as unbelievers. But after the death of Christ on the cross a new and better covenant came into being for the whosoever believeth. By faith alone like Abraham with out the law. Galatians 3:6. Hallelujah.
@@Jeff-gr3yl true, God didn’t create different faiths. But in these teachings Jesus is described as being teaching law to those under the law, is he not… Jesus doesn’t teach salvation only that the law is a burden and here how much it’s a burden
Sir Andrew. Everytime I listen to your sermons I leave feeling very clean and confident in Jesus.
Me too!
:)
Well said Rafael..🙏
I recently listened to “Absolute Surrender “ by Andrew Murray. It is (for the most part) the exact opposite of what Andrew Farley teaches. For years after becoming a Christian, I tried to find “more of God”. I already had God living in me. I tried to “find forgiveness “ when all my sins were already forgiven. I tried to find the “deeper life” but already had it. Thank God I finally read “The Naked Gospel” and could rest in the Finished work of Christ.
He was part of a reformed church... Murray
Thank-you Pastor Farley praise God very inspirational encouraging message in the Lord Jesus Christ Amen.
We were already dead ( old man - old self ) rom 6:6, gal 2:20. It is now the Lord Jesus living His life through us.
The end of self is the beginning of Christ in us.
The truth will set the Saints free. God bless you Ps Andrew. 🙏🏽
God bless Andrew Farley for clarifying the meaning of denying of the old (!) self, not the new self in Christ where I agree with in the name and by the blood of Christ, putting twisting of scripture under the feet of Christ. Demons definitely want to twist this part of scripture, but God has our best interest in mind, praise Yah, praise Jesus! I also pray more people will find a new self in Christ within oneself. Hallelujah! Annelies Bakker, the Netherlands.
I thank God for this good teaching.
Amen. How counter is this teaching to the heretical works-based Lordship salvation found in nearly all evangelical churches and being preached by today's popular worshipped pastors!!!! Praise God for His transforming grace!!!!
Great message Andrew! Its nice to hear a preacher that sticks to the truth as it is written
Absolutely awesome. Thanks Andrew
Please pray for me everyone who reads this I suffer from confusion and depression and need your intercession
Tatersalad19 Cars praying that the Lord leads you in the right direction.
Me too
Timely message brother Andrew, God is Good! 🙌🏼
One of the issues with this teaching (I really like Farley by the way) is that we still struggle with the reality that sin is ever present in our fallen nature and that we do not live as we should in every moment of life. The taking up of the cross and the denial of the self-life (that independent, morally autonomous life that seeks to justify itself apart from God), is still a necessary element of the Christian life. We are no longer condemned by sins presence in our members, but we should not think that there is no need to deny the passions and self-justifying elements of our old nature that will from time to time, wage war against us. Resisting temptation is probably similar to what Jesus meant by denying your self-life and taking up the cross. God bless you Andrew
Depends on the context. Not all verses are for godly living, not all verses are for salvation. Even in this video Andrew teaches we deny ourselves when we give in to sin, because we are in Christ. It's a beautiful message showing because we are in Christ we ought to act like it. This message doesn't deny the struggle of temptation or the necessity to be on guard. I see no issue.
so good he made us new! he gave us a new heart and he gave us new desires, his desires. we want what God wants. so it makes no sense that he makes us new and then tells us to deny and or kill ourselves .
Praise God! I am free in Christ!
Wonderful message. Thank you for all that you do. 🙏
A believer should deny the desires of the flesh and live by the Spirit .
Correct, they aren't their desires so it's only sin that should be denied, as opposed to themselves.
I'm putting this here so i recall to know this an awesome message.. the James chap 1 vss of the mirror metaphor to not forget what that all is ! So this is a marking to hear this a 2nd time ! To myself JOE.
Awesome job!
I think this one is a bit convoluted, but everyone has a bad day. Bless you all in Christ.
But the verse actually says take up the cross "Daily" that word implies that self denial comes after being christian as well ...because it's a daily thing not a one time thing to enable one to receive Jesus
Let Christ live through you and you through him everyday". We went with him to the cross, died was resurrected with him and now have been made into a new creation through him. What an awesome gift to have Christ living through us and guiding our lives daily".
, but I love God. Why would I deny myself? He is my hope and strength. The only thing left to deny is sin, of which I'm dead to. There are plenty of scriptures that teach stewardship, but this "self denial" doesn't seem to be one of them. It's only fitting to deny myself if I'm against God, and once upon a time I was. That man has passed away, fully denied.
@@arcguardian Denying self daily does not mean denying your core self or your new heart. It means denial of the fleshly part of yourself ; in other words our behavior reflecting our new identity is by default a denial of our fleshly selfish desires. This is a daily struggle, especially where we struggle most, with strongholds and besseting sins that easily entangles us. This denial is effected by looking to Jesus the author and perfector of our faith (Hebrews 12:1-2) Capisce?
@@markpalfenier5851 You are reading that into the text when it isn't there. Context is paramount. We were already crucified in Christ.
@@cherylallis2458 truth is implied that self denial is denial of the Flesh and its impulses not a denial of one's personality or one's new heart or identity ....it's denial of the Flesh and carnality
What about in Luke 9:23 where it says to "Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me."
What about the daily part in there?
I checked the original language on Bible Hub, and "Daily" is NOT in the original translation of the verse. It was added later.
@@e_brangelical Why check Bible Hub when you check an interlinear (direct, word for word from Greek)
From Luke 9:23
kath’ hēmeran (Meaning "Every day")
biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/9-23.htm
Mary Titus... If you can see this...
I get TH-cam replied emails, but I can't see your comments...
Yep, I get your point. When God promised Abraham descendants like the stars, that's not to us.
Although, it's not clear to me, that we aren't supposed be among "disciplines" and followers. With that logic any of Paul's letters to the churches aren't to us, and we use none of it?
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to follow Me [as My disciple], he must deny himself [set aside selfish interests], and take up his cross [expressing a willingness to endure whatever may come] and follow Me [believing in Me, conforming to My example in living and, if need be, suffering or perhaps dying because of faith in Me].
MATTHEW 16:24 AMP
@@e_brangelical You are right that "daily" is not there, but that still does not proof Andrew's point
Omg this is soooooo goooood
The thing about this and others you put out is the difference between offense and defense to use a sports analogy. The defense is protecting and the offense is moving forward. How can I move forward if all I am doing is defending. If i have a defective self I want protection of myself as my self will sabotage me but when myself is intact and fully His I can score touchdown after touchdown with the fruit of the Spirit.
Brilient word
Brilliant
Incredible!!!
Wish God would have just made this teaching clear in the bible so that I could believe it.
JESUS said in Luke 9:23 to take up your cross DAILY! This guy said that HE was talking to unbelievers who are only to deny themselves at conversion.
The Apostle Paul said he buffeted his body daily bringing it into subjection lest preaching to others he himself should be disqualified. This Christian life is a daily battle and characterized in many verses as warfare, don't fall for it people!
Is it saying no to the flesh and yes to the spirit.sometimes i can't tell the difference.
It was a command to Israel to leave behind the system of the law and trust in Christ for salvation
Paul defines in Galatians 2 that being crucified to Christ means to not trust in the law but we are alive in Christ by faith.
So simple !!
Paul said in Philippians 3 that he gave up all the garbage of righteousness of the law trading with the glory of being righteous by faith in Christ
Deny your old identity. That's what Jesus meant.
Could it mean deny self by putting on our new self by believe we have been made new
Wow! Nice idenity in Christ crash course
Jesus said deny ourselves daily , can you elaborate on that please . I totally don’t mean this in a disrespectful way I’m just trying to understand
The word "daily" IS NOT 100% verified to be in the original manuscripts used for translation. I also respectfully challenge you to look up the original greek verb tenses of the verbs "deny," "take," and "follow." Two of them are in the aorist tense which is a unique past tense in greek indicating a one time action that occurred in the past. Fact check it, fellow Berean. If an interpretation, no matter how interesting it sounds, does **not agree** with the grammar present in inerrant Scripture, then we should at least reconsider our conclusions and retrace.
Jesus taught Jews. Paul taught gentiles.
@@2Chronicles714_ He was the Messiah to the Jews. The Jews rejected Jesus. So Jesus went to saul of Tarsus... He became Paul. Jesus taught Paul and went to the gentiles.
😢😔💚🙏
Wish all our hearts and minds are good with the true loving God source Spirit Creator Spirit and all the good characteristics and qualities
And none of us evil or fake good..
Wow.
Freeing
Meat with bones???....chew the meat spit out the bones of your concern..... Farley's ok with me. I go to the holy spirit to verify truth and so far after 30 years of study I find him and Spurgen, Barclay are my mentors. Not everyone will agree with all their commentary that's why its up to you to work out your own salvation by reading scripture yourself with guidance from the HP..stop looking for perfection in man. Jesus, wants to restore your joy!!! Ppl love to judge and walk around with a critical spirit. Break the chain and take Jesus yoke and lighten the load and hv fun!!.....amen🙏🙏🙏🙏we are design to be depended on Jesus..yes!!!!!
Spurgeon was a freemason
You are so right. Why would Jesus in ( Matthew 16:24 ) command such a heavy burden for us to follow him in this passage when earlier in (Matthew 11:28-29 ) Jesus said:" Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light". So Mr. Farley's interpretation here is totally correct".
@@2Chronicles714_He told the Jews at that time to repent of sin and believe . That is the whole point why we have been going back and fourth here. You do not understand the truth of the gospel but still believe that we must repent of our sins first and believe second to be saved and then keep working and striving for his righteousness. That couldn't be further from the truth. You are living in a time past bible doctrine that was meant for the lost sheep of Israel and not meant for believers living today who are saved by grace alone by faith alone. We don't seek God's righteousness. Jesus was teaching the Jews this because they were still under covenant and that was the proper way to seek God by way of the law before the cross. When we accept Jesus Christ by grace through faith we are sanctified and made righteous through what he did for us already when we believe and not by seeking his righteousness first and then all things will be added to us after. All things have been given to us through the finished work of Christ when we believed that he did what he did when we believe this by faith.
@@2Chronicles714_In ( Matthew 6:33 ) Jesus was teaching the lost sheep of Israel to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness . In ( Romans 10:9-13 ) Paul was teaching about how Jews and Gentiles would get saved. Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness , Paul said for with the heart one believes unto righteousness. Both were telling the complete truth but those truths need to be rightly divided for whom they were meant to be taught to.
@@2Chronicles714_ ( Luke 24:47) I totally agree with what the scripture says" And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. We don't repent of sins to get God to forgive us because his forgiveness is already a done deal. We repent ( change our unbelieving minds) and receive the forgiveness he has already provided for us through in his Son. That is what this passage is saying to us. You believe that repentance means turning from sin, I believe that it means turning from unbelief to belief and here we go again. Haven't we been over this once already?
Um church I used to watch always yelling at me fight the flesh...
Better not be sinning when Jesus comes
I don't know when the rapture is.... So I go around don't sin don't sin
Yes...He must increase we must decrease
Lord of all or not Lord at all
If you still have sin in your life...check ✔️✔️✔️✔️ that salvation.
Lies lies lies, this is definitely the voice of the devil…….. do not be decieved…….
Is this bizarro world? This man is blatantly twisting the words of our LORD and all the comments are applauding him, does this guy really suppose that all the great Bible teachers past and present have all erroneously interpreted these verses? If it's new it's not true and if it's true it's not new. JESUS said there would be many false prophets in the last days.
It is so sad to see that so many have followed these false teachings and taken them as truth….. where are those who read the bible?
🇳🇱👋Love it!
Andrew says this is preaching salvation... but don’t we teach Jesus taught only the Law before the cross
Not sure I follow
@@scottheath8302 Jesus taught you must be born again. Jesus was born under the law and He fulfilled it. That's why He said on the cross, it is finished. He adhered to the law and told others to obey it, but He also taught us about the new birth and the Spirit life. The law was our school master to show us our sin, that we would understand we are sinners and in need of a Saviour from its wages. The wrath of God as unbelievers. But after the death of Christ on the cross a new and better covenant came into being for the whosoever believeth. By faith alone like Abraham with out the law. Galatians 3:6. Hallelujah.
@@Jeff-gr3yl I would argue the whosoever believes was always in play, and not new after the cross, but a continuation of Gods love from the beginning.
@@scottheath8302 Agree. That's why I pointed out we are of the same faith as Abraham who believed in the seed/ The Lord Jesus Christ.
@@Jeff-gr3yl true, God didn’t create different faiths. But in these teachings Jesus is described as being teaching law to those under the law, is he not… Jesus doesn’t teach salvation only that the law is a burden and here how much it’s a burden
What kind of garbage is this? Jesus told us that if we do not bear our cross then we are not worthy of him
How many times did Jesus die ?
You are the one twisting the scriptures.