Should You Go to Art School - Do They Teach Traditional Oil Painting?
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- In this video I discuss what art schools teach.
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Art School grad here. I went to PAFA because it was the closest thing I could find to a traditional atelier style yet offers a college degree. It was not worth the money tbh. There were some great things about it, but the greatness was in decline when I started 12 years ago. They've completed their spiral and closed the program, after having been America's first Art School. Great going. However I am living my dream job as an art teacher. So I suppose it wasn't all bad. If only educational institutions recognized atelier certificates on par with the joke-of-a-bachelors degree in fine arts you can obtain anywhere else.
When I lived in Philadelphia in the 1980s I took several courses at the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts. I was not a degree student. I just wanted to learn. We started in the bust gallery doing charcoal sketches and later pencil and silver point. I wish I had studied more. If PAFA has changed (where changed means declined), it makes me very sad.
One advantage to going to a GOOD art school is being exposed to the talent and brilliance of other artists. The other artists will often become your lifelong friends and associates.
@@vflytrap7158 Excellent, I found that too, taking workshops and later entering plein air competitions years ago. You make good friends and learn stuff from many generous souls who are often eager to help you progress as an artist. Sometimes it's "tough talk" (critiques) too, the best, to give you a "kick in the shorts" to stop doing something not working well in your paintings! LOL
@@vflytrap7158 fearless artist friends will often be your best critics, but not your family! ;D
@@vflytrap7158yes its the same concept as going to an Ivy League school. What you learn won’t be tangibly different than a regular school, but you will make contacts that you will leverage for the rest of your life.
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Your videos taught me how to paint along with your paints and my homemade color checker, your method , along with your easy-going disposition, is a blessing if it wasn't for some financial difficulties I had I would have flown to your classes in Texas. You are much appreciated
This makes perfect sense. Why spent 10’s of thousands of dollars to not learn what you really want. Know your mentors and learn from them. Pay them. Learn more.
Right, a tough mentor/friend who is not afraid to "kick you in the butt" from time to time and tell the truth about your "sucky work", and how to fix it, is worth thousands of dollars, and yet, they tend to work for free! Or, maybe, you can pick up the luncheon tab, when you break for it!! LOL ;D
One of the biggest barriers towards progress is simply time spent painting. If you spend anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours painting a small painting each day, that's 365 paintings in a year. Don't obsess over things looking perfect..just paint.
When I used to look over my drawing notebooks for instance, I would say to myself "Look at all the times I tried to draw. I don't have the skill." But in reality, if I condensed the amount of time I actually ever spent drawing it was probably only around 40 hours of work. I might sit down to try and draw a hand for 15 minutes and say "Well that looks terrible" then not draw for awhile again. It turned out that I also just needed the right teacher to show me atelier methods, and then everything skyrocketed. Prior to that I myself was in a fine arts program and changed majors because I wasn't having a good experience all around. Had it been better I may have stuck with it.
Afterwards I realized that getting stuck in "skill" and overcoming issues of self-worth was itself a barrier as well. I started to loosen up and appreciate my doodles by not worrying that art had to look a particular way. Any art at any skill level should be celebrated.
This!! Doing regular small paintings that can be finished in matter of hours, rather than complete few full paintings a year. My problem is that I tend to turn the small painting to a finished full painting and didn't yet find a way to effectively avoid this trap.
@@codingchallenges Yes it can be hard to walk away. Daily Painting by Carol Marine is a great book.
It's kind of both. Yes it's time on canvas but to get better you do need to see the errors and correct them. Mastery is seeing smaller and smaller errors. Painting and assuming you'll just do better next time is not nearly as beneficial for learning
Even in Graphic Design world, they don't teach much. I've heard and talked to many who came out of graphic design school, and when I showed them what goes on in the "real world" of design, they were shocked how much they weren't taught and how much they have to learn. I am a professional digital artist at my 9-5 job, and a traditional or analog artist in my off-work hours. At work, technically, I'm what's called a CG Generalist, a "jack of all trades, and hopefully not a master of none." However, I don't just do graphic design, but I am continually engaged in these arenas: 3D modeling, 3d sculpting, 3D concept architecture, 2D and 3D animation, 2D graphic design, video production, audio, drone pilot, the works! It isn't because I have a degree, for I could NEVER learn all I do with a degree, but rather it's because I started as an apprentice way back in the 80s, a graphics shop apprentice and then just learned the ropes, gaining valuable experience with hard work. I just push myself to learn, learn, learn! When I get home from my 9-5 day job, I try to pry my eyeballs off the computer and get to my traditional or "analog" roots and I draw with pencils and I paint with oils, watercolor or acrylics. I love classic realism and I've been a long-time follower of Mark Carder's awesome instructions. For me, that is the best way to learn, from select teachers you can now find online. I hope to keep building my experience in painting. It's something I want to excel at. Thank you Mark!
BFA Illustration & Design, worked as a designer and illustrator for over 20 years... taught myself realism along the way. Never learned anything about paint from college.
I attended art school (The Savannah College of Art, and then Massachusetts College of Art) during the 1980s, and at that time, one still could receive instruction in traditional methods (though it sometimes took some effort to find a painting instructor who had interest and expertise in traditional styles), but it was something that I was able to seek out at that time. But I could see that the progression had already started toward the current culture that Mark describes in his video, where traditional painting is considered passe or no longer relevant. I definitely don't regret my art school education -- am actually quite proud of it -- but if I were a young person just starting out now, in 2024, the way things are now, think I'd probably forgo the formal art school education, and indeed find a good instructor to learn from.
What Mark says makes perfect sense 👍🏻👏🏻
100% agree with this. Univerisity art school is a complete waste of time and money. Find a painter that you want to paint like and learn from them.
Right out of high school, I took a two-year art program in Fine Art. At this school, we were only taught abstract painting. I tried painting realistic landscapes on the side and was shunned by fellow students and teachers. My second-year design teacher stopped critiquing my assignments because I was "too technical" and not following the school's methods. The head of the department wanted to kick me out of the art program because of this, stating that I had no business being in their art program if I was going to paint and draw realism. I graduated regardless. After graduating, I worked for publishing houses for 8 years and then enrolled in a three-year commercial art program where you could paint anything you wanted but I was mostly taught realism such as landscape art. Now that school teaches digital art. I haven't heard of a local art school painting realism using oils or acrylics. At my last art show, someone said I am the last generation taught formally to paint realism by professional artists in a university/college classroom setting -- I am starting to believe this.
I've also been to art school myself in the 2010s, and I can't say that was my experience.
Representational painters were pretty well respected by students and teachers. The ones people didn't like were the ones that always looked down on everyone else and had overinflated egos, but had nothing to say with their art.
Thanks for your comment, I had no idea computer art is replacing the brush. That’s sad.
I went to an art school in California around '08, during the drawing/painting classes we were taught to focus on how to express yourself rather than drawing realistically.
I was so confused at that time because I had an outdated imagination about what art school looks like, I thought it was about learning the techniques from the old masters, painting still life or drawing a sculpture.
Apparently I didn't study art history enough at that time, it was years later that I learned that my imagination about art school, that artisan style of teaching since the renaissance period and all the way to French academic art, has long gone from the western education, at least in the university. Actually it was the Soviet (and later the Chinese) inherited the French academic art tradition, after the western countries shifted their focus to modernism.
I quit the school after one year and luckily I found out there are many small art classes that still practice the traditional way just like Mark, I went to many of them for few years and that was the greatest time in my life, it really helped me a lot on building the fundamental skill of drawing and painting.
VERY TRUE : I wasted a lot of Money on my first year of a UK art degree and all of were not taught to paint. Fortunately, another student and I dropped out as soon we could, having been forced to pay the course fees for the year, out of our own money. Those that stayed were on Government's grants. It stopped me painting for almost 6 months, but if you need to create you will find a way. So, look for someone who teaches what you need, persuade them to take you on as trial student and teacher, work hard and pay them to learn.
Mark, me being a military veteran, I can spot a brave man when I see one, and you most certainly are one. What you said needs to be said over and over again, about art schools, not only today, but for a long time. I was dissuaded from art school, for the very reasons you described, when I choose a college career after getting out of the Army in 1969. I chose to pursue degrees in science instead, figuring I could teach myself (more accurately Learn myself), with books, and later with videos (VHS and DVD's), and finally with workshop instruction and constant practice of the craft.
I've painted since entering grad school for my M.S., beginning in 1974, so that's 50 years; and I've never stopped, in all media and all genres. It's been wonderful and it "grounded" me to be a "whole person" not just a scientist, which was my profession, for 33 years. Thanks so much for the confirmation you just made, of my choice being a "reasonable" one, for me at least!!
Cheers from beautiful and highly paintable (I do mostly landscapes now) southern Arizona!! : )
Totally agree. And I find it very sad what art education has become in universities. Sales pitch or not, you are right.
If they learned to paint in realist style just for basics they would be far better of as artists.
If they are going to pay for education they might as well get a degree in something that will get them a paying job until they establish themselves as professional artists.
right, get a job to "put beans on the table" and do your art in your spare time; then "graduate" to full time, if that is the goal. That very approach has been done by many great artists throughout history! Paul Gauguin, for example, was once a stockbroker! ;D
I had oil painting on my bucket list. I went to jr. College and I wasn't too impressed with the teacher. I was hungry for instructions on how to paint and most of the time she talked about herself. I thought it was a waste of time trying to paint still fruit until we went outside for a landscape and i was hooked. I painted lake Tahoe by memory and it was so much fun! That's what I do, landscapes with flowers and sunsets!
@@mariacaceres4312 I tried Jr. College for a short time! Disaster! An old saying is that those who can, DO! Those that can't, TEACH!!
I was at art school in the 90s was taught that drawing in fundamental, but paint anything. Someone I know who recently got a first honours degree in art and design did straight copies of photographs of pet dogs and cats .
FAKE ART! Some people don't now the difference! 😔
First I went to Syracuse University school of art in 1966. Too commercial but very, very good fundamentals. So I went to The Art Students’ League in New York in 1967. I studied oil painting (Robert Brackman) and figure drawing (Robert Beverly Hale). That is serious fundamental training. Life intervened. The only teacher I’ve ever found who has helped me get back on track now that I’m retired is you, Mark Carder. I cannot thank you enough.
Graduated from LCAD and while it was a great school with a great art program and I learned much more than I would’ve learned on my own and we had multiple live models every day - it would only be worth it if I was rich and didn’t need to worry about the cost. 10 years later and I’m still paying off my loans and it has severely held back my life. There’s no jobs available after graduation for fine artists unless you get into a gallery or something right out of school. I ended up going right into sales mid senior year and I have not achieved any of the important milestones a person is supposed to at my age. Complete waste of money, I regret going so much, it’s probably my biggest mistake in life. Unless you have rich parents do not go to art school!
I tried art schools in the 1970s. I remember asking how to stretch a large canvas; the teacher asked me, by way of answer, 'How do you _feel_ as though you want to do it?' I left. Nothing much has changed and it's a complete waste of time.
I taught myself, and have had more than 50 yr successful career as painter and Art Director. Don't waste your time. There is only one secret - just start painting and don't stop.
I'm fascinated with your knowledge on the subject of oil painting. While I am not interested in realism, I absolutely see the benefit of applying that knowledge. Hey, Picasso was a realist early in his career and then he went on to explore other styles and creating a few. I'm going to check out your website and see if it fits into my life. Thanks!
I did a BA fine Arts. Focus was on Dadaism. Best thing was life drawing and painting classes with visiting painters. But no real painting instruction. No real encouragement in painting skill, or traditional art. I had to teach myself. Love for art history is important.
right, historically, many of the great artists who went to prestigious art schools of their day, produced their best works when the left it, owing to their lifelong dedication to the craft and to prolific production in their chosen subject matter!
I am a 4th year art college student in Ireland, had done 4 years wood carving so wanted to do sculpture except sculpture in art college is performance art, poetry, installation so decided to do painting instead. Unfortunately they dont even teach the fundamentals of painting, everything I learned is from youtube, how to mix paint, tonal values etc. You will learn more from channels like Draw Mix Paint, Paint Coach and others than art college.
I can believe you! I've never been to art school! Been painting most of my life! Never allowed to go to high school and take their art classes because of my folks religious beliefs! Every thing I learned was from observing other peoples art. Every few years I would discover more things! Got fairly good and won many awards at local shows. Then along came the digital age! Was astounded at great art on the internet! Was really impressed that there was so many beautiful paintings to observe from. Although there are really beautiful abstract pictures, I choose realism! Much more satisfying, but much more work. I think abstract is a lazy way and quicker! Much more profitable for art stores! I now paint in glazes, like the old masters. BUT HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE - I paint on "raised surfaces" similar to embossing! Not like " impasto " which I Don't like!? Had to learn how to sculpture. Using epoxy putty on wood panels! Makes amazing 3-D effect! Especially on rocks and trees! Am I the only one? I would never have tried this technique, I believe, if I had gone to art school!
@@robertchilders8698 I have introduced 'raised surfaces' into my art. I have used gesso on canvas for rocks. Its something I'm playing around with, might make my own gesso so it will be less runny. Dont know what my lecturers will think when I go back to college but at this stage I'm not bothered what they think because they dont teach us anything anyway.
I have tried gesso without luck. To runny. Maybe adding flour or Plaster of Paris? My next experience will be with "air dry putty"! Epoxy putty is hard to work with, but gives amazing results! It must be sandible and easily carved. For smoother surfaces I finish it off with automotive feathering compound! ( White 3-M ). Use 90 Percent alcohol to smooth or thin- especially the epoxy! Must be done on one eighth inch plywood for regidity. Saves a lot , over using canvas! Much more stable , preventing possible cracking! Must be well sealed ahead of time to prevent warping! The Mona Lisa is over 400 years old and on a wood panel! MAKES SUPER ROCKS!! You will have a wonderful experience experimenting and making "real" ART! WISH YOU THE BEST! I am very curious about " wall putty, sculpturing" ??
@@irishjoed P.S. Some of my " raised surface" stands out over one half inch ! Please don't call it impasto!!
@@robertchilders8698 Try a mix of baby powder, pva glue and white acryllic paint. The more baby powder the less runny it becomes. I did 4 years wood carving before going to college, wanted to be a sculpture but sculpture in art college is performance art, poetry, installation, movies etc so I went the painting route. I want to try to combine both into my art. I was told plaster on board is good because you can carve into it when dried so might give it a try at some stage
This has been going on for a while, I also know that in the 70s the Dutch came to Antwerp because you could still learn to paint there. As far as I know the old academy only exists in St. Petersburg. The decline started together with the rise of modernism, after the industrial revolution, new insights in many directions became popular, from Freud to Picasso, the impressionists and so on. Much confusion and misunderstood insights arose, we all know what it brought us, 2 world wars, the atomic bomb, a century to forget. I hope that it can still change, there is always hope, people continue to strive for realism and also appreciate it.
Interesting that universities are wholly focused on abstract art when the market for that these days is little more than a place for rich people to park and hide their assets from taxation...
Bingo!
Yes, agree completely. Art schools are big on theory but not so great on teaching the technical aspects of art, regardless of medium. This is pretty ironic since most art schools require that applicants submit a portfolio of their work.
I got into Sydney University Fine Arts degree which was more hands on compared to the general Arts degree.
However, it was still very research, historical and art theory heavy. I got accepted because of my art portfolio and my ambition, I left soon afterwards because I wanted to do my art.
Thank you for saying that out loud. The most help I’ve gotten with my art has been taking classes from a few teachers whose paintings I love. I learned everything from composition to how to clean my brushes to color theory. I can paint an apple. 😊
You’re my favorite art tuber. Whenever I hear anybody ask about how to paint, draw, learn color theory, etc, I always send the to this channel. You have an incredible ability to relay your understanding of art to your students! I have painted in oil, basically solely because of your influence. When I have the time, I will definitely attend a class of yours, but I live in Idaho and would really like to attend a live class, so it might take some time, lol.
Don't go to Art school - Learn from Mark, the master Oil painter! And my friend!
That was great, Mark. Always happy to see a new upload from you.
I like to say "How can you hope to represent the human spirit if you can't draw a brick?"
Pretty much spot on…fundamentals were taught in my time as grounding on where we came from…
I feel like most painting teachers in fancy private art schools don’t really know how to paint technically. They have their one thing they figured out, but beyond that, they don’t know much. Some do, many don’t
Thanks Mark.
I will say that to do a degree in anything is a privilege and something well worth doing if you can afford to do it because of the experience and the people you meet. The education is only one element of it and it is obviously the most important part but I am so glad I did a 4 year Degree. Best years of my life.
In my country, I have attended both art academies. The problem is that these academies are filled with modernist teachers. Such individuals will never teach you classical art because they operate on a completely different wavelength. The diploma is merely a means to become a teacher. I am self-studying and attending the academy solely for the diploma, as I need it.
The notion that "everything can be art as long as you defend it as such" has led to every amateur and hobbyist proclaiming themselves an artist, despite lacking any foundational classical knowledge in the field. Amateurs often tell professionals that both are equal, projecting their insecurities.
This situation arose when modernist and abstract artists became teachers in classical academies. Even the art commissions are filled solely with abstract artists. While it may be frustrating, the reality is that they are not creating art; in fact, they are quite distant from it.
Actually, I know quite a few people with art degree who are practicing, exhibiting artists who make more money than teacher and professors do. Good galleries do care about degrees.
In short, yes and no. I went to the Kansas City Art Institute. I had fantastic drawing and painting teachers who taught me a fair amount. On the other hand, the overall structure is not designed to teach you technique.
I’ve been painting for nearly fifteen years and have tried to going to art school and my problem with the traditional style with learning to draw is an old injury to my right shoulder.
Extending my arm for a short time gives me a lot of pain, the last time I I tried it wrecked my shoulder, which after a year is starting to feel better again.
I’m going to have to learn some other way, I still paint in oils , but mostly abstract and expressionist stuff. The strange thing is I’m painting pretty much most days with cheap paints and I’m actually learning to paint in doing so.
I’m learning how colours interact with each other and how you can achieve a real light and dark effect, my figures are getting better, what brushes to use to get a certain effect.
I am also teaching myself about the history of art which is fascinating because if one loves studying history then art history is effectively the history of the world.
Art schools have gotten lazy as it takes time and dedication to paint realistic art, abstract painting is different, less technical and precise.
But then there are some abstract paintings that are very technical and which would have taken some skill to do.
The truth of art is that it is in the eye of the beholder. I have sold some of my paintings, no matter the style, someone’s going to love it
A person of my own heart!
I went to a state school in Illinois class of 2000. That school had what I assume is the traditional university approach. Painting 101 was about painting still life from life and learning fundamentals. In oils although there were issues about solvents. In intermediate classes were drawing the nude model in charcoal. Painting in oils was allowed as a drawing technique. I got the idea that what they were doing there was actually rare. In later classes it seemed that we were expected to have moved on from representation to Conceptual or at least abstract.
i can't speak about private art schools, but 2-year community colleges often have a dearth of specialty art classes, including oil painting, sculpture, metalworking, assemblage, ceramics, and watercolor. in addition, they also often offer art labs to practice those skills--i used to run a life painting lab, and we supported oil, acrylic, and watercolor paints.
one reason so many university graduates go into teaching is economic: making a living off of being an artist is increasingly difficult, with the collapse of unions and trades. worse still, generative ai and other such grifts are constantly trying to automate art, making a sustainable living in the trade even less likely.
I wish you would have made this video 20 years ago, it would have saved me from the disturbing time I had at one of those art schools. I actually ordered your dvd and learned about oil painting that way while I went to the academy, because they didn't teach it there.
I know of a PHD student in her fourth year at an Australian Art school phoned her tutor one night and asked him. " What colours do you mix to get red"
I think there's kinda a lot to unpack here... I went to the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena in the late 90's and studied illustration. In my view, the reason to attend an art or design school is to gain experience and exposure, not to acquire a degree. To Marks' point, I think the only time I've been challenged on a degree was when I was teaching. I've worked in the film industry for almost 30 years as a creative director, and academic credentials have never come up, although I will say the name of Art Center got me interviews when I was just starting out. I think the intentions of the students need to be clear when they are deciding on an education path. Good art schools offer far more than just technical skills. Being around like-minded individuals intent on the same things you are passionate about is incredible. The relationships you can form may prove critical in starting your career and can be meaningful in so many other ways. I taught for about 8 years around LA and San Francisco, and I did experience what Mark is saying about art degrees being used to staff the art schools. However, this was less true at the more distinguished institutions. Places like the Art Center were full of professionals who chose to teach and could bring extraordinary experience and insight to the classroom. Teaching for them wasn't a default job but a calling to share their passion. Obviously, this is a best-case scenario, but it seems appropriate to counter the view that arts schools mostly teach future teachers. The story about a student attending a 4-year degree and not being able to paint needs more explanation. Did the school claim to teach oil painting? Was that part of their curriculum they failed to deliver on? In my time as a student and as a teacher, it has always been the case that a great deal of responsibility lies with the students to make the most of their time. I went to school with kids who didn't seem to learn much at all, even though we were in classes together, and I was benefiting greatly. I don't mean to imply responsibility but to point out there is likely more to be considered.
To summarize, as far as art school is concerned, people should attend for experience, not a degree, if your intention is to be an artist. College can provide so much more than a skills-based isolated class will ever be able to provide, but they will require a great deal from the student to be truly beneficial, AND there is a great benefit to classes like those ones Mark teaches. They both have merit. On my own journey, I left Art Center after five terms, even though I had just been awarded a nearly full-ride scholarship for my 5th term show because I needed to start working. I had terrific support from my family, but I was responsible for paying for school myself. I would never change having gone to Art Center even though it was incredibly expensive.
Also, I want to add that I think Mark's teaching is fantastic. I have learned so much from watching his videos. I have a strong foundation in classical training, and what he teaches is a perfect complement to that. I hope this view helps someone out there--I have a son who is intent on following in my footsteps in the entertainment industry, and the idea of him educating himself via TH-cam videos would terrify me. I think there are specific skills and disciplines that can be learned that way with extraordinary effect, but they will ALWAYS fall short of being part of a class, engaging with other like-minded individuals, and learning and interacting with someone with great experience.
Go to Art college it's a great experience for you to discover yourself and to be able to express yourself through different mediums and it's got a great night life 👍
as good a reason as any, just party, get drunk/high, and hook up in art school today!! It's actually a time-honored tradition! ;D
And you'll end up tens of thousands of dollars in debt unless you have rich parents to fund your "great night life".
@@AFAskygoddess what a misery you are
Been to and graduated from art school- learnt nothing about technique. Most of my tutors couldn't draw let alone paint. A very depressing deflating experience.
Me either
I managed to get a BFA in Illustration from a prestigious east coast art school without ever learning what linseed oil is for. And this was the ‘80’s, before digital.
I was pondering about this question myself while I had enrolled at an Art school in Sydney, Australia and I ended up doing 1 year of BFA and then instead a graphic design course of three years elsewhere in Sydney and I realised the same things you talk about. Art history, other electives like sculpture, print making, etc are great and cool but it is SO important for somebody to be teaching the traditional realism today that used to be and the way that it used to be. I'm not sure why schools and curriculums shy away from realism. Realism paintings are visually captivating and instantly create a dynamic impact unlike any other art style to say the least. It is so important to be able to express visuals the way they actually appear in real life. Concepts? They can be still be expressed realistically and there's no need to force learners to go 'abstract'. I mean lets look at what this abstract 'way of being' has even done to us all or for us all artists in the modern times these days, not much.
I went to engineering school, now im learning to paint from youtube 😎
Smart guy!
We have postmodernism to thank for the terrible state of art schools.
I'm thankful to have found your channel. I am in my 60s now, and thankful to have had real traditional foundations in oil painting in college studio art classes in the 70s.
After listening to several TH-cam art instructors lament their time in art school it seems apparent that a serious artist is much better served taking business courses and taking an unpaid internship under a successful professional artist. Imagine learning firsthand from a master in the art field (painting, sculpture, photography, etc) without having to pay a dime. Seems like a much better approach to learning both the art skills and business skills needed to be an independent artist.
I can give my opinion and experience.. if you have access to the ability to find someone to mentor you in the exact field you want to get into (my field was conceptual art, mainly environments) find a mentor, something thats gonna be hands on and catered to you.. if you cannot and have no access to a mentor then school is the only other option however a good art school gets very expensive very fast so make sure you research and get other students who attended the programs reviews.. ultimately having the mentor is 100% the BEST option as you won't be wasting your time doing other forms of art (yes they can be helpful for fundamentals but you can honestly practice that on your own in a sketchbook. You cannot beat the focused work having a mentor in the exact field you want to teach you exactly what you want to learn, you can try cold emailing some artist or research your favourite as nd see if they offer mentorship
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Was an Art Major in college in the 70s. Was very disappointed. Did not get the traditional background I was looking for.
Funny- my art instructors were all artists ..who made rent teaching…that was way long ago
Atelier is the way!
Four years of art school, and couldn't paint an apple...? 😨 What _did_ she learn?
for one thing, she learned how to hook up with a nice guy who would teach her how to paint an apple!! ;D
I'm planning to enroll in New Masters Academy, which is online and they have courses that teaches how to paint, similar to an atelier.
I've heard good things about it and it's pretty affordable too.
I went through 4 years of Art School and, personally, those were the best academic years of my life. I don't think I could've learned most of the things I was taught all on my own. Even though I only came out with a Diploma, the knowledge that I had was far more valuable.. I have to say I graduated from the school's Illustration and Graphic Design department, and we did have traditional drawing and painting classes in the mix.. this was in the 90's (93 to 97)
But did they teach you how to paint realism?
Only thing I can still give art schools credit for is that they can be great spaces to expand how you think about art (depends on the prof you get), and they can be okay places to create connections.
Other than that, schools generally don't place as much of an emphasis on techical skill, which I personally don't mind since that isn't where a lot of contemporary institutions have prioritized showing in over half a century.
Only real downside is that I still think none stonework sculpture is worth learning, since you can apply for grants and commissions by cities, however schools seemed to also have placed less on an emphasis on those kinds of skills as well.
For example I recently finished a public art installation with my wife. It was pretty easy to get the work accepted since there is little competition where I live, and we picked a novel spot in our city, which was relevant to what our sculpture was about.
If you want to get technical painting skills, you'll likely have to teach yourself, which luckly their are enough resources to do so. You just need to have the discipline to commit, and put in the time.
Ironically, schools that teach 3D modeling seem to do a better job at teaching representational art than actual art schools, since there is still a market deman for games and movies with believable 3D/CG models.
Just don't expect to make a living off your work. Painting has largley been replaced by reproducible technology (photography, press, computers) a LONG time ago.
Representatiinal paintings are never going to be mainstream again, but the skills you learn are transferrable to other fields.
All i have to say- everything begins with art. Everyone in America should have a painting and a sculpture.
I'm finishing off my BA in Fine Arts, but I'm going to a state university, not an "art school". Costs a lot less.
I didn't go to art school, but was trained as an industrial draughtsman back in the late 70s, then studied English Literature, Philosophy. Kept drawing and painting on and off. But I am nearly two years into attending a weekly life class, where any medium goes, but the instructor is an oil painter, so we get to learn the techniques, as well as improving one's drawing. My biggest problem is what to do with all the stuff I make..😀
Prof. Anke Doberauer, Art Academy Munich
the only address for contemporary traditional-painters. She's the best. Because she was my Professor l became the best painter in the world.
Great vid. Is that your studio behind you? What a space. Very inspiring to paint for sure.
At age 10, my mother sent me to art classes at a local art store that taught charcoal/oils in the back room. As I grew older, she sent me to art teachers who held classes at their houses, sometimes in their garage or kitchen. I’m now taking classes at a very small local art studio. The artist teaches art theory (ex. color), sells art supplies in studio, and lectures. 4 classes for $50! I’m oil painting a mother & child painting by Picasso. My suggestion: Find a different & profitable uni major & learn oil painting 🎨 🖼️ as a hobby. Make your own art & then sell it. You might make more money 💰 by exhibiting your work, but only if art is your passion.
To teach, get your degrees. Big galleries, you have to know someone. Or..be very lucky to get noticed! Look at TH-cam, its saturated with people doing "art". If your a beginner, & determined to do art as a living, ask yourself where you want to be in the future. Go for it, learn what you need, from the best you can find. But its a full time job.. plus!
Thank you for telling the truth!!!!
wow Mark thanks for sharing
One is judge through performance of painting, as an artist that's the point he sort it out ,on my opinion
VERY WELL SAID!!
I’ve learned to paint from artists not from school where so many critical things were not included.
I do wonder if some art schools allow you to get into a network of people that have good connections with galleries. But maybe this isn't true at all. I suppose if the art is good enough, you can get into galleries without art school education.
Yes! The King-makers ! Sometime, I feel that some of the art galleries are so! They will 'filter', 'assess' and 'rate' your paintings ! Don't ask what is their qualification or authority to do it! You may be very talented, but these art galleries may rate you low! Further, there may be 'art critics' who doesn't have much knowledge of art and doesn't even possess any artistic talent who will critique your paintings! You need to be part of a caucus who promotes the art of those within that group! They create a great hype about some paintings that is taken up by lot of people! You can call it herd-behaviour! Well all this happens in other fields too! You can't prevent it! It would be difficult to steer clear of them!
So much truth
Yep, I completely agree.
They better not reject any application 😅
Excellent
Yeah, I went to a University and took some art classes. "My dear boy, you must learn to use metaphors and refrain from being captain obvious". "Here, take a look at these works by Marcel Duchamp".🤣🤣🤣
The purpose of Art Schools is to dull diamonds and polish quartz.
Visual art seems to exist in its own reality. There seems to be a prevailing idea that learning technique interferes with developing one's natural ability. Nowadays, I think that is complete BS. In the music world, if you want to play the piano, you need to know your scales, develop technique and learn repertoire. If one wants to be a surgeon, they need to learn biology, chemistry, anatomy and practice their technique. If someone wants to be an electrician or welder, they need to learn theory and practice technique. Why is art divorced from this reality?
So true
They can’t teach that they don’t know how.
There's an old saying, those that do, DO! Those that can't do , TEACH!!😊
Sobering.
"A great deal of art schools ... don't teach realism." You say that like it's a bad thing.
it is a demonstrable fact, based on our comments here, but whether it is a "good, bad, or ugly thing" is up to the art student, and their individual tastes/goals! ;D
Regarding galleries: in Poland they do require you to finish an art school. Moreover, you should already be a a well-established and successfil artist to be considered by a gallery 🙃.
Good luck finding private art instruction if you don't live in a big city...
I offer online Zoom classes as do many others.
How do I take classes from you
info here: www.drawmixpaint.com/lessons/
Learn from masters you admire their work to create your art. Art school doesn't make sense because it is a political system that has been created for particular labor required.
Clickbait cute girl lol!
yes, and I'm tempted to do a small "portrait sketch" of her too! ;D
art schools have been invaded by Karens
It's all subjective
How would they teach it? None of the teachers can paint worth a sh*t. How did the old masters learn? They copied for years and they refused to try anything original until they had mastered very advanced technique. Both are things almost forbidden in art schools today. As for the world of fine art you today, nothing matters except novelty. Beauty and technique are hated. Make it ugly and shocking and novel... and then if you are the right race or have the right politics and connections you might break in, but probably won't. Of course the only thing shocking in that world would be to actually have skill and paint something beautiful. Illustration is better. There at least you have to be skilled. Our museums are filled with art of a quality that will never be replicated.
Very long winded 'no'.
lol old man talks for whole video: uses young girl in screen grab for clickbait … 😂
Wow! what an ego!
Found the art school debtor.
@@vermis8344 lol Right? Someone's been brainwashed...
What do you mean?
@@SleepyMatt-zzz The only way to learn to paint is to take his training or someone similar.
@@vermis8344 best comment award goes to you!! : )