Installation And First Look Of Deepin 20.8 (And It's Gorgeous!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ธ.ค. 2022
- Today, I'm going to be taking a quick first look at the recently released Deepin 20.8. This is a Debian-based distro that features its own desktop environment and suite of custom applications. And it's absolutely gorgeous!
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People have monitored the IP traffic of Deepin, audited code, and the consensus is that no; Deepin is no less inherently insecure than any other distro. If your OPSEC starts and ends with your choice of distribution then you're already being monitored and bought/sold to advertisers, governments, and intelligence agencies without your enthusiastic consent -- No need to scaremonger about Chinese people listening in too.
Deepin isn't some kind of special exception, but it really rubs me the wrong way to see people suggesting literally anything from China is a government conspiracy without actually researching or auditing anything. At which point do we have to consider if there's an irrational reason that so many people assume anything Chinese is government controlled?
I think the main concern is that any Chinese company is legally obligated to give their government data if requested, though that is by no means unique to China.
The real issue is the constant fear-mongering there is when it comes to China.
哈，反正只要是我们的东西，不论好坏美国都会说是坏的。
Even if it was controlled by the Chinese government, what the heck does the Chinese government have to care about the majority of people in the West? Sure, if you are a government employee or something you should maybe not use it, but it otherwise really doesn't matter. You're not a citizen of China, even if they're spying on you they can't do anything with that information. You ought be more concerned with the data you give your own government.
@@azareiithe same with American businesses
Deepin is made in China, distributed from China, it has a EULA, has it's own exclusive installer, has it's own exclusive default browser, has it's own app store, you don't have to use SUDO to install their software, their software comes from repositories in China, generic names for their preloaded apps, everything about the Chinese distribution makes you feel comfortable to use it, software that minimizes to the systray rather than close, CPU intensive, requires a recently modern machine because it uses lots of resources, snap & flatpak are not included.......
Spock once said, "Captain, a pattern is emerging."
don't care mate it looks absolutely beautiful and that's what matters
dammmmmmmmmm ty for comment
ROFL each time DT creates a strong and complicated password. I don't know how you manage to keep serious, this is a real skill
pw is clearly not DT.. so thats strong and complicated!
I just installed Deepin on a 2017 Mackbook Air and everything works out of the box. Excellent.
Excellent review. Unbiased.
I had this installed last week and while it's a very good, very solid distro, your previous tier video turned me on to Solus and Budgie won me over faster than a cockatiel can raise a foot and blow you kisses! 😆 My only problem with Solus is "strong and complicated passwords" are a no-go - it requires at least 6 characters (but that requirement can be disabled) and disabling the lock screen in the GUI had no effect when waking from sleep. I had to use a Terminal command from the Manjaro forum to disable that. Budgie's awesome, though. 🥰
> based out of China
That's enough info for me.
Never trust Red Commies, even 1 word.
Your iPhone or android phone is made in China and its software is also injected there on the SoC
@@arkvsi8142 this is not the same 😡😡😡(lol)
> Your iPhone or android phone is made in China
@@arkvsi8142 wrong
@@bpnn2428 Ah yes, PinePhone64
You shopuld definitely do a video on Puppy linux.
It runs on RAM and is very fast due to it and can revive old hardware, easily.
All it needs is recognition. It comes in ubuntu and slackware based editions.
Slax too.
@@folksurvival Slax and zenwalk.
Sneekylinux does quite a lot of them.
Slack-o-Puppy! 🤘😁
@@Skelterbane69 Zenwalk, not zenware.
Thanks for the review .
I think they've named htop as "Htop" with a capital "H" which is why the terminal didn't run it. Nice review Derek. I wish they'd add some Deepin speciifc cool tools like MX Linux has (chroot rescue, boot repair, snapshot, driver installer etc) so that it goes beyond a gorgeous but basic OS.
Bitter Truth, it's probably a containerized app, not a Debian package. They developed their own package manager, because everybody knows, all we need in Linux is more packaging formats.
You can probably manually symlink its executable inside _/usr/bin,_ or add its location to _$PATH._ Works for Flatpak, so it might work here too. To find out the location of the executable, you can open the corresponding *.desktop file from _/usr/share/applications_ and look for the _exec=_ line.
@@GioGziro95 I disagree on it being a container. I think they are probably still using the Debian repos and packages under the hood of their package manager to download 'standard Debian packages' and probably concentrating all their developing efforts into their own Deepin desktop apps only. Fedora does stuff like you mentioned but that is because it develops for business/enterprise and therefore the effort is worth it. Deepin on the other hand is mostly for your average home user so I can't really see them going through all that especially since they focus so much on aesthetics too.
@@bittertruth6575, I think you missed the news. They use Debian packages for the base system, but they developed Linglong for third-party apps. For more info, look up "linglong deepin". (I tried to post a link, but my comment got flagged as spam and disappeared.)
@@GioGziro95 I probably did. The last time I used it was a few years ago when I was distro hopping. I''ll check Linglong out. Even more reason to stay away since I love Debians's stability and it's packages have been rigourously tested. Thanks.
@@bittertruth6575, in theory, Linglong has some really good ideas. They explain why they developed it on their blog; but I think they should've worked with the rest of the Linux community to improve Flatpak rather than creating yet another package manager for Linux.
I'm 98% Linux Mint user!
But this really looks good so far, really Impressed.
Linux Mint Xfce and OpenSuse this is Real deal Solid Operational Systems
Really hoping they modernize the Cinnamon desktop at some point with a new modern theme, wayland support, pipewire support, and an up to date mutter backend. I hate seeing such a good DE falling behind.
@@ximplex1 Cinnamon DE is really the champion. One of the 2 DEs usable on modern 4k laptops because of good-working fractional scaling support. Second one is KDE Plasma but it is VERY RAM-hungry and GUI is bloated.
PS. Cinnamon DE works great on top of Arch. This combo is far better than genuine Mint: my Ryzen9 5900HX CPU has 5 degrees lower temperature and laptop use less battery power on the same scaling_governor, scaling_driver and ryzenadj presets. And Mint theme is very easy to install inside this frankensteinesque setup :)
drive.google.com/file/d/16mwOcry5nBQ5pcA7Y_HHEk45u5eG4fSE/view?usp=sharing
35°C and 14h of estimated battery time on idle is something impossible in genuine Mint Cinnamon. That's why I moved to Arch/Cinnamon.
Great work Thank you
Looks like an alternative for Arch-based new-user friendly distributives (Manjaro). The more variations, the more people would find their own starter distributive, i believe.
The main goal is to make more people aware of the existence of an alternative to proprietary one. For this to work, the list of alternatives for new users should consist of stable polished releases (so there is no disappointment). Graphical part is already more than enough, in my opinion (new users can pick of KDE, Gnome).
I'd rather change "new user" to "switching from windows user", because new user should really consider tiling managers from the beginning ^___^
Arch with archinstall script is user-friendly too.
It looks stunning without a doubt, but their EULA/ Privacy policy is too scary!
im just scared of china lmao, even though is open source
Don't Feed the Dragon.
I really like the way this distro is set up...
Does the dark theme work in standard GTK or libadwaita apps? I don’t think it used to.
Deepin has the most attractive DE out of the box (other than maybe XeroLinix). I don't know why soooo many distributions like to make linux look like it's from 1980's by default. I hate it.
Vanilla GNOME is great to be fair
KDE Plasma is the most attractive for me
@@Bisiek21 I still feel you have to theme KDE a bit to make it look good. The default icon set is bad, the default theme is also bad and looks a bit old. But that's just my opinion. Maybe KDE looks attractive to you out of the box.
@@hellohigoodbye If you want the best UI, you're always going to have to put work into customising it. There is no such thing as one size fits all.
I use i3 and with my modifications, it makes my computers work exactly the way I want them to. I could never feel comfortable using something like DDE or KDE long term.
Mint looks the best
Very nice looking distro.
Not gonna lie... I needed to hear that last part...
My problem with Deepin is lack of support for external monitors workflow. It won’t disable the laptop monitor and it gets annoying really fast. Not sure how to fix it in GUI.
This looks actually quite good. might give it a try
Ever see Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy on SNL?
Now we have Deep Desktops by Distro Tube 😊
I mean with the music app, when you x out of it the first time it gave you a option as to how you wanted to handle the close, it defaults to minimize to tray and you just mindlessly allowed it. You weren't paying attention.
Great video showcasing this OS. Looks beautiful and smooth. But I do agree the whole China thing turns me off.
Could be worse could be American
Y'all need to stop with this race shit...
Does it have a T2 patched kernel?
I ran 23 Alpha off a USB using a boot hack. Pretty nice. Even had drivers for my 5ghz Realtek wifi dongle. No Brother printer tho. No store and couldn't install anything but Chrome extensions. Now setting up VM as I write this.
The 'its free and open source' thing is no guarantee of malware/spyware free. Unless you check yourself the code there's no way to know, and ain't nobody got time for that. Also even if you checked the code once it doesn't mean they cant introduce malicious code in the future via updates.
I would use it if it wasn't for the simple fact of getting nivida drivers to work on that distro a royal pita
i like how he still doesnt remember the deepin's setting manager name xd
I remember having tons of animations and blur using Compiz back in the day on my really old Athlon Family CPU powered laptop
It never missed a beat! Only 3gb of system ram too
I remember running Ubuntu 4.04 on my celeron 1ghz 512mb of ram :P
@@Sarah-qr3pw oh boy
Mint MATE and XFCE have pre-installed Compiz and more-or-less work on 4GB RAM.
@@sergeiepatov7683 Yes!
I used to use Zorin back in the day with Compiz and many effects going on with 3gb ram!
how can i try it live sessions ?!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔
It show error on 5% plz help me to install deepin operating system
Can you use a Winnie-the-Pooh wallpaper or do you need to go full NBA?
...or full John Cena.
*xina
Thanks a lot....the "strong" password nailed it for me....
It's backed by a Chinese company... And has a EULA....and privacy conditions. Nope. Thanks but no thanks.
let's not forget about the way too flashy and dumbed-down tablet-like UI, generic app names, lot of bloat, etc.
@Rayn35 true i use linux to get away from bloat and for more performance not for less.
Lol i didnt know that. Now i will stay far away from Deepin, ty
Deepin os yes....but DDE....pretty sweet
Which is the exact opposite of what a a lot of Linux users started using Linux for.
Installed. Works fast on 2-core CPU with 4Gb RAM.
I need another distro with DDE Interface, what's the best?
Try Manjaro
could you review ubuntu budgie?
You have talked against telemetry in FOSS software before. Now you say being FOOS is a sufficient condition to being privacy and security safe? 😕*confused*
i had tried out ubuntu dde remix and there were a ton of bugs. probably this is more stable.
Hopefully
You should do a review of WezTerm
Nice! I will try definitely it.
I haven't tried 20.8, but when I tried it, I believe 20.1?, it didn't have good integration with Snap. And yet, and yet, it was some Snap apps that I really needed, as the Deepin repo versions didn't work. I found Deepin very buggy after a couple months of use. I understand its potential to be an 'Asian OS' based on Linux, but I have my doubts. I need Japanese language support, so I will say it was pretty good for that.
Talking about specs. my laptop has a potato specs. Intel Pentium, 4GB RAM and surprisingly it runs Windows 8.1 very smooth as compared to Linux Mint or Xubuntu or Zorin. Linux distros stutter on my laptop, even scrolling in browser is very stuttery. I don't know why, it made me switch back to windows 8.1.
But when I use Compiz as windows manager in Linux Mint MATE or XFCE, everything starts running smooth, scrolling is smooth.
I'm not a techy guy, someone please help me understand what could be the reason. 🙏
Are you worried about where this os is made from and if it calls home and reports stuff ? I used to Love Deepin, it was fast and nice to use.!
@Sam W WOAH THERE BIG guy, it's just a question !! What is FOSS ?
@@JasonsLabVideos Free and Open Source Software
@@purplelLunatic Thanks Sir.
@Furz Yeah, its just like windows, just have to be smarter then them :)
@@TheGameMakeGuy Can you tell which ones? I don't recall anything beside CNZZ analytics in the appstore
If you wish you can replicate this by using Arch Linux with plasma and latte not really an issue for me. I call it KDDE :-}
I don't know. While I find the look and feel from what I see, rather impressive, I am unsure about chinese OSes, regarding metrics and background transmission stuff. I'd always have in the back of my mind that one day I may come home to my pc straight up mailing itself to Xi Jinpings office or someting.
^^^This. And yes I understand it's open source but just because something is open source does not mean that anyone is going to go over every single line of every release. So it might take a while to find malicious code/intent and I'm sorry but China does not have a good track record for trust.
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The Deepin Store didn’t run on Ubuntu Deepin. Tossed it and replaced it with GNOME Software. That works.
Keyboard issue while creating account while installing itNot able to type.
Use a external keyboard once its installed run updates
Much like Microsoft before Windows 8, the CCP really nails UI design (I personally prefer UKUI's Win7 look to DDE's Win10/11 style) though it's a bit resource hungry for my liking (probably all the spyware).
According to my company's cybersecurity dept., it's not spyware, it's "monitoring and security software"
@@Titere05 lol my bad, that's what I meant ;)
KpopCraftster, it's not a spyware at this moment, but I'm really concerned about the future of the project, and I'm very skeptical it'll continue to be privacy-respecting software in a long run. I'm sure the developers who work on the project are genuinely passionate about FOSS, but once the project becomes somewhat sizeable, the CCP influence will start to show up. Better avoided.
@@GioGziro95 If one were able to trust wikipedia, Ubuntu Kylin was developed by the National University of Defense Technology on orders from the Central Military Commission. While Deepin was developed by UnionTech for Zhaoxin at the behest of the National People's Congress.
So I guess the CCP has been involved since day one, though I don't know how actively it influenced development. But that's still enough for me to be wary of the desktop environment, not just the distributions, even when I can allegedly audit the source code. :)
@@kpcraftster6580, CCP has more than 100 million members, and they have their hands in every Chinese business. They're just trying different things to see what works, and once some company or project becomes big, then the party establishment gets involved. This hasn't happened with Deepin yet.
This is how PRC works - it's like one giant corporation with guns.
eh these DE's are alright if you only want a pretty out-of-the-box desktop, but there's barely any customization to it compared to what you can do with KDE and gnome (with extensions).
You can make KDE look like Deepin relatively easily too
I was thinking to switch from Windows and this might be the one Linux distro
Doesn't look like recent distros are available for ARM64.
Have you thought about doing your own Distrobution?
Is Deepin safe? I am thinking of installing it.
Hello! How can I contact you for a collab?
There is no proof its not safe
2nd comment and the 13th like
The effort the company put on this distro is very suspicious. It almost looks like an operating system that was built for more than 1 billion people to use, rather than a classic Linux distro. I wouldn't even download the iso file from their official website.
It’s literally commissioned by the Chinese government to replace Microsoft Windows for domestic use. Trading one spyware for another is already a pointless trade. Now factor in the new spyware is made by a belligerent totalitarian foreign power. Given that choice I’d happily stick with Windows.
@@megadog_ Windows 10 would also be my choice. But 11 looks exactly like this in my opinion.
@@megadog_ More like Chinese dont want to be spied by the US gov anymore, so they started a new operate system for themselves, the US government spys on their allies, like German and S.Korea. So do you believe U.S. government will not steal information from other countries in the world?
There is no proof deepin tracks the user
But hey if you are concerned about privacy just keep comenting with your google acount
fastest growing distro
Very beautiful Chinese spyware
It's very beautiful with lots of eye candy, but in my experience it's the most inconsistent and buggy distro I have ever used, good luck with that one if you want it as a daily driver.
Some comments might be over the top, but I'd still be wary of using "browser".
Deepin 23 is out check that out!!
Untill u try to remove a default browser and add Mozilla repository to install normal one
DT Your Last and Forever Daily Driver will be a Trisquel or Another pure GNU/Libre distro....i Can Predict your Future....
Try Linux Kodachi....really cool and secure too....thanks...
I hate the rounded corners. Otherwise, it looks great! Love the dark theme with transparency.
Me too, but I believe you can choose square corners too. You could in the previous version.
GUI is gorgeous, but I don't know if these Chinese guys are trustworthy as distro builders, and I don't like apt-based distros. Maybe try Deepin DE on top of Arch distro...
Just gave Deepin a try, both in native distro and on top of Arch. Was disappointed. Bells and whistles over ergonomics. Cinnamon-on-Arch, with its great fractional scaling, low resources and battery usage, and very convenient windows layout management, is still the champion on 4k laptop.
There are just too many red flags with this project. It’s not that it’s Chinese, it’s that it has actual ties to the Chinese government. They collect a TON of personal information from you when you create a Deepin account and log into their App Store, including your IP address every time you log in to determine where you’re logging in from, and your personal email address. Do not use this product if you value your privacy. Saying that really bums me out because I WANT to like it so badly, but my research indicates too many security concerns.
Yea it looks nice I guess.. (it looks meh to me really) but they have actually been proven to do this kinda shit. If you don't care and want a modern looking DE then hey, that's your choice at the end of the day
I wouldn't touch it even with a 10 foot pole... If you like the desktop install it from debian, Arch, or any other distro that you like. But this distro is controlled by the China government and it leaks a ton of info that you won't even be able to check since communication with China server is all encrypted ... They also have the linlong user that they can control on your machine.
just use elementary os and enjoy a good os with a beautiful de and none of the spyware
@@completelyretarded Elementary OS has acted overly politically on social media, and they have blocked anyone who disagrees with them (to be clear, I am not blocked by them). It seems to be run by extremely unprofessional people who don’t want people of certain political views to use their software, so I choose not to.
@@thering0010 completely understandable, have a nice day
Hope you're not doing anything sensitive on Deepin...
Remember the 2018 Chinese debacle?
Some feedback regarding audio sometimes its sharp and harsh on the ears fore some reason. Its only on your latest uploaded videos otherwise great work!
For gaming Linux ist still no alternative. A lot of online Games block Linux Users. I love deepin. I tried it a few times - it's my preferred distro. If the gaming Problem ist solved, i would switch happily.
Now i see why you've been suggesting deepin, my next destination to hop
Deepin on arch is good
Good Luck For Deepin Community...Their OS are Very Good.....better than Arch...because you Know....Arch linux Sucks..
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am I first viewer🤣
Bravo.
nc!
I cant beleive in a chinese developer as a desktop
Couldn't even install it lol ( potato time 🤣)
Most Mac and Windows users will be disappointed with the old and frumpy look of most distros out of the box. Zorin and Deepin are exceptions. Cute Fish seems to be abandoned. I'm sticking with Zorin.
até achei interessante, está mais fluido, porem a distro esta trabalhando com pacote de aplicativos mais antigo!
Can't wait for the next major Deepin release. Lots of new things coming.
Thanks for the video and thanks for not talk about the "privacy concerns cause its chinese" crap.
Looks like KDE Plasma.
It’s based on Qt
Doesn't even come close to KDE Plasma!
Don't forget that it's a Chinese company so I wouldn't even use this desktop environment just customize a kde one on arch linux
Strongly complicated password "dt" 🤫
I had started using Linux only because I haven't seen any Chinese distros, YET. But also because it's open-source and don't have any EULA or anything else. By integrating EULA and being a Chinese distro, Deepin is giving me more reasons to not use Linux in 2023. If this is what we call Linux now, then I will be staying with my shitty Windows 11 forever
Moving away from Ubuntu to Debian as base was what made this OS difficult to daily drive... No software available at all
You can always use UbuntuDDE if you only like the desktop environment
You could always just install the desktop - there is an ArcoLinuxB ISO available so you would have access to the Arch repos
I agree that it looks good, but the whole idea of the PRC government commissioning a FOSS operating system for domestic use is oxymoronic. Even if I could trust the product, there are plenty of alternatives that leave me free of a political philosophy that I want nothing to do with.
And the it's 40 gigs was never reviewed
Deepin is great!
just said the magic word... "based out of china" = that is not touching my production pc/laptop
Not only that, from my understanding security experts have found backdoors in the deepin distro, which completely defeats the point of using linux for security, which is probably the biggest reason people prefer linux.
@@tatsuya2112 any sources?
I wouldn't install it on personal laptop too
As long as it’s all Open Source which can be viewed by anyone, then it can be proven whether or not there is any spying/telemetry/back doors/security issues, rather than just claims of such concerns. In do not have a problem with Chinese people(human beings) being a part of the open source movement. “Open Source” has real meaning.
@@jimmyrichards5595 Even if the source is open and reviewable, binary software is not. They could just put some spooky stuff on top. Even worse a whole distro image full of precompiled stuff from a chinese company. Even if the base is opensource, iam more than sceptical when it comes to deepin. (Not even mentioned the eula)
Question for you big guy... Are you at all concerned with software that comes out of China? Just curious, as we hear time and again about how they hide/obfuscate "phone-home" and other tracking scripts in their products. I've been wary of using any Chinese based products.
like the device used to make your comment???
@@cloakofshadow1 yes, exactly like that.
@userwell said…
@@guidodipilla3084there is no proof deepin tracks you
No matter how many times I've taken this for a spin it always breaks. Then there's the incredibly slow app store 🙄 full of Chinese versions of apps. Yes it looks great but more than likely doing many background tasks that we can't see 👀🤔🧐 would I use it as a daily driver🤔 nope. I shall stick with Arch Linux 😎
Despite many people bashing it for being Chinese spyware, it's IMHO the best Linux desktop distribution.
At the end Apple and Microsoft stole borrowed the design for their modern OS from it
Never trust Red Commies, even 1 word.
@MarbleXeno Microsoft and Apple have tens or hundreds thousands of employees and know everything, it's not like big companies have ever stolen indie works, you sound like a big clown tbh.
@MarbleXeno based.
@MarbleXeno Microsoft did take ideas from KDE though.
The idea of having a national product is awesome. But, because Chinese are communists I won't install it on my own machine. Russians is also hard working on own Linux distribution fit to sanctions and current economical model.
Chinese botnet
im not gonna get deepin, since its filled with spyware. like 10 of them. im just gonna install the deepin desktop environment instead
Google, microsoft, facebook, amazon, etc are the true spyware
Nope
Do you trust Deepin? Considering it is a Chinese company which is overseen by the CCP? It looks really nice, but I don't know how to tell if it is "phoning home" so to speak...?
Besides the CNZZ incident which doesn't send personal data. Theres no real proof that it sends personal data to China. At this point it seems to be hearsay.
@@lancemanipis3879 Good to know...
Yeah, it's good, but you know.