Officially Challenger playing only Double JUNGLE! (65% Win rate)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2023
- I have finally made it back to Challenger! We did it playing the same Off-meta Strategy that Riot originally banned me for multiple times. Smite Sion support can change the meta, like it or not, it is here to stay.
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I’m a smoker. My “toilet lurking” is just going out for a smoke and opening TH-cam
@@MiloThatch420 interesting 🤔💭
I feel called out
If there is a drill involved, you need more fiber!!!
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Crazy how Nunu is directly into it and its a complete demolish trough the game.
nunu doesn't care that much about farming so it's natural imo
I actually like that the Nunu was directly into it. Like i'm not even suprised.
i mean the other choice gonna be feeding and get banned. wasn't a fun path btw
Crazy if you play a team game like a team you win, I always try to tell that to my friends :3
@@duypham7391*U are right, but it’s the path they normally take if you try something off meta*
This strat should be called "long invading" because its like an invade that only ends when the nexus dies
Or afghan
wheres the logic on that
@@micaheiber1419 well west bank is housing terrorist, they need israeli forces their to break hamas momentum.
😂
I did a similar strategy using Leona when mages support where all the rage bot lane.
We didnt need another mage midlane and needed a front lane CC tank in fights.
It was even better because I was playing whit my friends, so I simply called my jungle/support to follow my invades or hold midlane(minion exp didnt decrease back then), I messed whit the enemy jungler min 1,that Karthus died al lv 2,3 and 5 I believe,he quit after that it was super funny.
Sadly I didnt take smite, but just imagine the potential.
that nunu coordinating with you makes me happy. he recognizes the strategy and doesnt tilt or quit. so cool for soloq
They have played together multiple times because its high elo so nunu is familiar wjth his strategy
Yeah players in the top 0.1% tend to know what they're doing lol
I've been a fan of your cheese since before you even narrated anything. It's awesome to see the strat develop into something so dominant!
That's my favourite part. You guys saw the entire process of how it came about, from ditching top lane to mess with the junglers, to swapping to support role for more impact. Then dealing with the unjust bans eventhough I could see the potential it had, and now we got the big old Fuck you to everyone who doubted it.
@@Tilterella And now i wonder how well it would work with champs that have a stronger early-game and CC settup like Warwick... What would you reccomend? I am trying to play all possible roles RN and i just never seem to get it to work (My teams just throw too hard and i cannot make enough of a impact, frustrates me so much that i stopped playing sommuners rift all togheter) This might actually become the new meta if developed further
@@Tilterella I used to be doubtful until somebody did that to me...I stopped doubting that after enemy Sion fucked everybody's game plan and I couldn't do anything about it (I was Top laner).
@@last_dutch_hero258
This isn’t something you should be doing in low Elo, it’ll just piss your teammates off and they won’t know how to play around 2 junglers.
fr i was 7years old taking all lethality rune pages sittin in bushes as sion one shotting people
long time fan. Great to see you finally prove to the doubters that the strategy is insanely good. I also love how it makes the pace of the game so much more interesting instead of sitting in lane as support doing nothing but warding and waiting to get ganked.
Appreciate it! that's my favourite part too! left top lane for a reason...shits boring as heck
Ohhh if u ever play support like that u must below iron Leo 😂
@@Brosak. I'm plat which is already above average and in my experience the lower the elo the more hectic things are.
@@my2cents795 I feel bad for all adc you ve played with
1. This is on oceania servers argueably the worst overall, 2. Any support above gold roams most of the game
The ADC gold difference make sense tho, Serraphine is a wave clear champion, especially against Ezreal. she was able to get the minions under turret.
Tresh himself needed to leave the lane early to follow you around the map and even wasted some gold on his mobility boots for that.
so it was basically mostly a 1V1 on botlane, and Ezreal has no wave clear at all.
All in all, it was amazing how this game went
Thresh with exreal. Thresh is an early game engaged. Ezreal sits back and presses q, doesn't even need a support, free double jungle
This guy has better communication with random teammates than i do with my 5-stack
I think this is the first time I watch a Tilterella video and what I liked most about it is that Tilterella not only shows the mistake he made, but he also explains it and give details. This is not about flexing, it is hard rationality and cold hearted analysis. Very cool.
Ever since I saw you first use this strategy, its reminded me a lot of the taric support with unsealed spellbook and smite strategy. Though that usually focuses more on hard-leashing your own jungle to get them ahead faster.
What's so great about this imo, is that it brings more fun into the game.
After years, I long for something new, so I obviously moved on to different games. I'm glad League seems to be changing bit by bit. Pushing new risky strategies can help keep a game fresh.
Tilterella is a mad scientist of league inventing new strategies
It’s the sion players 😂 the Baus and Tilterella both be doing wild things on the rift
Congratulations my friend! I'm so glad to hear that you made it this far with your unique strat.
Thank you very much!
I love the creativity you have with the champs you play, its cool to see these unique strategies work like this
Tilt: "I did it! I dug a hole to Europe with a plastic spork and my fingernails!"
Me: "Why not just fly there?"
Tilt: "Woo I did it!"
65% wr fun strat
This is the best League channel on TH-cam and nothing else comes close in my opinion. Love seeing these uploads brother, keep it up.
The enemy support's decision tree when encountering playing against you is interesting to discuss. This is just my opinion, but to me the twin systemic reasons why this strategy works (and not just works, I would say but is actually just flat out *strong*) are how overly rewarded in terms of both experience and gold junglers are via the jungle item for just farming, AND how over the years they've slashed the amount of net experience that is attained when it is shared in a duo lane.
The obvious option the enemy support has when playing against you is to stay in lane and desperately try to press your lone ADC hard enough that they are forced off the tower thus denying them the especially valuable experience, or kill your ADC outright in a 2/3-vs-1 dive with the assistance of the enemy team's jungler. That's clearly their best case scenario. But the thing is, depending on the champions involved, and respectful play from your ADC, and the knowledge that the enemy jungler is probably off being harassed and denied camps somewhere else on the map, it sometimes isn't possible to force the ADC off the tower. And as long as they are sitting in lane and not meaningfully whittling down your ADC, they are essentially just leeching exp from their ally, and not achieving anything more than maybe some added plate damage (an effort which is also systemically impeded through the turret fortification buffs in presence of multiple members). So they decide to go roaming, but as you pointed out, the jungle item is much more effective at providing gold and experience than the support items are when not in lane. So it's essentially a lose-lose situation for them. It quite literally comes down to, if they can force your ADC off the experience, they're in a good spot. But if they can't, their game becomes incredibly hard, and leads to them desperately going off trying to stem some of the bleeding you're causing in other lanes. It's like some sort of a prisoner's dilemma, where taking the support item as a support is the 'cooperate' option, and taking the jungle item as a support is the 'betraying' option. You're not agreeing to handshake playing the standard support game just sitting in bot lane soaking experience from your partner, you're opting to just leave and spend your time elsewhere, and to abuse the broken jungle items for your own experience and gold. The only 'counterplay' for the support is to rewind time, take smite, and buy the jungle item himself so that he can be on an even playing field with you in the chaos game. I think it will be really interesting to see how this develops.
It’s also hard to pull off 1v3 dive because our junglers are usually split across the map. If I’m on one side taking camps, he’s on the other. We also place deep vision and we can easily predict enemy jg pathing by which camps we have yet to clear. We most of the time know the dive is coming and can counter it easily.
The graft at the end is interesting because it either means Lee Sin was getting gold from side lanes to keep up stifling us ally’s, the support Scion strat takes too much gold away from ally Jungler which is unlikely since you’re both taking enemy camps, or Lee Sin had the bulk of the enemy teams shutdown/kills allowing him to keep up.
I think you shouldn't really be comparing nunu gold to lee sin gold, rather you should be comparing nunu + sion to lee sin + thresh because any other champion getting heavily involved in the jungle will reduce the overall gold available in there, what matters more is whether the strategy nets more gold overall which it seems to do.
@@OldSwampothe start isn’t specifically to net more gold but to have more map pressure and make the enemy jg unable to play as easily allowing for a more chaotic game that you can’t plan ahead as much aswell as your team having more map pressure
The plan isnt about gold. is to make the Jungler hate his life.
not like who plays jungle doesnt already hate the world enough to play PvE in a PvP game.
@@OldSwampocomparing the gold on both is useless. Sion needs gold to be tanky and usefull, tresh is fine on low income. This is the case for most supports, as being low income is the entire reason they are played support. Besides, comparing the lanes would be necessary as well. When a jungler has no camps to do they gank, and that can be hard on your lanes
One of the biggest reasons this went so well is because Nunu perfectly played around the adventage and playstyle of tilt
I'd be curious if other champions could fit this gameplay loop. Taliyah and Poppy come to mind for me as champions that have effective JG clears, insane roam potential, and can be goofy but viable support picks.
Ooo Poppy does sound fun for this. I don't know if Taliyah would work, considering she sort of needs to scale with levels and gold, but Poppy is very strong with just CC and base damage, it could work
Lee sin Poppy
Your team played really well and adapted, Mundo, you, and nunu as front line was absurd.
Still amazed how a year ago I commented on one of your videos about playing against this strat and you actually picked it up and hit challenger with it! Another funny thing is that youtube says this is a smite video not a league video lol.
Bro the fact that now not only you use it is crazy. You did it bro you changed the game for good! Love it
play with duo untill GM , then queue same time as your pal , thats what he does....
I love the parts of the video where people are just flaming you but your strats work. Have you ever made a compilation of that kind of material? It's funny as hell
This could really take over the entire solo queue. I've tried it many times in flex queue, it worked so well despite my many mistakes.
Beyond the awesome strat, had to point out how many times you stopped that Trist from escaping with W, well played
I love the concept that you keep pressure when you go in, go in and go in like the Marshall
I'm loving this, it's nice to see something other than eurolane getting played
i love to see ofmeta things working out ! good job tilterella !
I honestly love this strategy since it mainly revolves around pissing off the jungler and that anger leads to really big mistakes on their part that you can then capitalized on to make it actually unwinnable on their side
Good job lol. It’s such a unique strategy but seeing it work so well with such intricate planning is really nice.
Congratulations on challenger with this strat! Crazy good job!
Love your content! Keep up the great work! (:
Tilt, that is awesome man!!! Your accomplishment has been made all the more significant by the inters and backlash!!! Congrats!!
This is brilliant. I love it.
This strat is sick and as a sup main, i love it. Thanks for bringing new ideas to the community!!
Love the of-meta gameplay, keep up the good work!!
Give 'em hell, tilterella. If there's one thing that gives me hope in humanity it's people going off-meta and winning, in LoL and in all things. Screw the meta worshippers!
Well game devs have been forcing same top-jungle-mid-adc-supp meta since release of the game... why we cant have yuumi with global range on this game aswell or champion that disables minions and towers while hitting them
Its great that people like you keep trying to reinvent league with these strats :) makes the game a lot more interesting. Definitely a pain in the a** to play against i'd imagine xD
I’ve been playing full tank mundo support with smite and it’s great, when mundo and sion are both banned I play Nunu, can always play tank Warwick as well!
This is what river shen has learned us throughout the years.
Any other champions you think this would work with? Exclusively a tank thing or would this work with something like a shaco/J4/kindred/lee sin
Lovely to see double jungle brought to Challenger, I used to duo with an ADC in season 12 in Gold and we had good winrate with it, always knew it was viable.
Just went up against this strategy. Fortunately the constant invading was just free gold but holy moly it required way more active playing than my usual auto pilot jungle 😅
Damm man. Good job!
Been watching you for a bit. I genuinely thought that challenger prob wouldn’t happen with this strat (but what do I know I’m bronze lol) but l holy shit that strat seems to be super powerful. Might change the way esports teams approach this game. Keep up the great work bro. Prove those haters wrong⛄️
Its not going to change the way esports teams play. Pro players would just perma dive your adc and keep them out of the game. Getting the jungler behind and getting the adc behind are not the same. Altough pro teams sometimes do a small version of this, with a late bot side invade when they have sion top to screw over the enemy botlane.
But its very important that the adc is screwed over and your adc is doing well. At least for pro play
Would love to see it on pro scene one day, but I think global communication would be too op against this strategy
It becomes problematic in pro play. If the enemy does it too it's not as effective because their experience will keep pace and either your junglers will fall behind the solo laners or you both are under leveled and back to being roaming supports.
This also takes away any smite advantage and further delays jungle quest.
Plus with pro Draft pick restrictions your opponent can pick high disengage to bait out your highest cooldowns before wearing you down one way or another.
Idk I'm high don't listen to me what do I know 😂
@@leeshepherd834 Maybe one day some lck or lpl team will try it in group stage against some minor region
@@leeshepherd834the problem in pro play is that they wouldnt match, and even if you get a bit ahead you will lose teamfights since sion support wont match a nautilus in terms of engage, or a lulu in terms of help
ill never forget command & conquer red alert music. brings me old days memories lol
Oh my God I've been trying to get people to do double jungle with me for years, I love you Tilterella
First congratulations . I am korean and korea suver user Sir.. riot ban my id... same smite tp sion strategy.... 2id winrate over 60percent....
Korean players have 0 mental fortitude. Match fixing, cheats, drugs, I was there it was absolutely insane.
i love player, who create creative ways and strategies to evolve the game.
As long as they play to win, and prove they are a benefit to their team.
if they can prove themself, riot should rather push and support them rather then banning them.
it reminds me of back in the days in pro play when we had this 4 man push to the inhib tower before minute 5 race metha.
One team came up with this unique strategy and won every game because of it.
so enemy team were forced to adapt around it. it was entertaining but more importantly.
something that a strategy game like elague is strive for.
this looks really fun
I appreciate the strategy. No one thinks up cool comps/strategy anymore like the 5 heal etc
Ive noticed since you are using sion and not using flash couls you use spellbook instead of glacial for the extra rune power for TP or combat sums ?
Loved the video super fun to watch them get absolutely destroyed
And ur sup playstyle is basically my jungle playstyle 😅 (perma invading the opposite side where Enemy jg is)
how do you counteract the lack of a warding item on your team? i suppose the goal is just to put enough pressure that the lack of vision is less important...?
One thing I'm curious of though, will you make a video on possible counterplays for this?
This is just so entertaining to watch~
so many mutts have tried this strat on me in the last 2 weeks and ive demolished all of them, thank you for sending the fodder to me
this is lit!!! love it
Sera played well and safe and the early ult on drake is disgusting lol
The reactions are gold.
This man is the GOAT.
What would be a counter? Spellbook for flexible pick?
Superscaling Botlane with early kill potential to capitalize on the 2v1?
Congratulations, amazing stuff, fk the meta
i really love this strat and thought it would be a fun meta in pro play. Just dont think it will work cause the lack of vision from having no support item, but looks like you are having fun and its awesome!
You would also not win any teamfights, and you cant really win a pro game without teamfighting.
nunu with the autobahn angle XD
Respect to that lee sin, even under that pressure he managed to stay pretty close to nunu in numbers at the end
question for Tilt do you think sion is the only one capable of doing duo jungle
this strat would be funny to watch against smite support ivern. the chaos!!
what other champs can u use for this strat?
any other champs this could be good on? i think kled would work well or some other champ with high base stats
sometimes I thank god that im eune jg, and I dont have to face those strategies. Congrats on chall, deserved.
great content brother
now the question stands, will we see a HappyChimeNoises video relating to this or not.
How do you play if enemy bot picks Draven and just runs over your adc?
what are the games like when it turns out to be a loss? what are the common reasons for losing even with these advantages? How likely is it for your bot to just run it down or get steamrolled over? I'm just curious
How u get time on mobs in jungle?
6:00 Only the OGs know that chickens were once wraiths.
oh a new role introduced to league, the counter-jungler
omg this is like double jungling? I've tried to get my friend to do this with me but he always refuses. This could work with a few other champs as well hmmm
I do the same ting as Taric i went from s4 to plat 2 for the first time :) So fun!. I play it as Taric mainly but I can do it as singed, Sion, and Teemo. Dirty!~
as a dota player i love to see someone breaking the stale league meta at the highest levels and thriving
Command & Conquer vibes
That Nunu understood the assignment
my God I love this playstyle but it's so weird watching Sion gameplay without a Baus Special in the end
This is what baus wishes he is😂
Not sure anyone has asked this, but do you think a potential way to counter it would be to move the adc and support into the midlane?
I used to do same thing with my sp having smite as well. It's very effective dude. Just be careful on ur maps roaming. Proven anf tested. The enemy literally annoyed when their jg check his camp and see nothing in their. Cause i got their red ir blue😅
man it'd be awesome to have dantes try this in Korea while he's there or any other jungler in Korea rn
this is so chaotic lmao
Great video😊
So what happens when their jg/bot lane actually does just fold over your adc?
2011 league: jungler is just another support
2023 league: support is just another jungler
calls you a spazz, as he spazzes
How vital is sion to this strat? Could other junglers do this? Was thinking ivern
like the Idea of pushing teamfight like that, I play Sion mid alot and I like to limit test to a point that once the enemy take to long to kill me I just keep speed clear wave to get to invade jungle, objective fights and even ulting into another lane to force some action. At some point i get so tanky that i can just get the whole team to brute force into nexus. It's not even a rushing to win at 20 minutes situation. I still get to brute force siege into winning at 50 minutes if my team is losing hard.
Honestly like this. Anything to shake up the decade+ long meta. Have bot play a super safe farm champ and have an extra laner ahead in xp
Nice Command & Conquer Red Alert background music there.
its incredible you won at least 1 game with this playstyle. adcs, cannot ever be left alone, or they will lose everything, including game - thats their squishy mental. I am actually surprised.
Just mute em and play on
Tilterella really is on another level, fuck me these vids are so entertaining