OH v. Dr. William Husel Trial Day 2 - Talon Schroyer - Pharmacist Part 2
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- LIVE COVERAGE: OH v. Dr. William Husel Trial - Former Doctor Fentanyl Murders
Happening In Court:
Talon Schroyer - Pharmacist
An Ohio doctor was charged with 25 counts of murder on Wednesday for allegedly prescribing lethal doses of fentanyl to dying patients. Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien said that he has never seen a 25-count murder indictment in his career, adding that the doses Dr. William Husel allegedly ordered in the 25 deaths “could not support any legitimate medical purpose.”
Husel, 43, was a doctor for the Mount Carmel Health System; he was fired at the end of 2018 after an internal investigation found wrongdoing.
Husel faces a potential sentence of 15 years to life in prison for each count - if convicted.
Husel’s lawyer Richard Blake claimed that, actually, “this is not a murder case.”
“I can assure you there was never any attempt to euthanize anyone by Dr. Husel. At no time did he ever have the intent to euthanize anyone,” he said.
Mount Carmel Health System, for its part, has said in a statement that it “will continue to implement meaningful changes throughout our system to ensure events like these never happen again.”
The Columbus-based healthcare system also fired 20 other employees after an internal investigation found that patients received exorbitant amounts of Fentanyl. Even though nurses doled out-and pharmacists filled-Husel’s prescriptions, the focus of the criminal investigation remains on Husel, according to prosecutors.
Mount Carmel President and CEO Ed Lamb said at the time of the investigation’s conclusion that “regardless of the reason the actions were taken, we take responsibility for the fact that the processes in place were not sufficient to prevent these actions from happening.” He added, “we’re doing everything to understand how this happened and what we need to do to ensure that it never happens again.”
The State Medical Board of Ohio suspended Husel’s license in January because the doctor failed “to meet acceptable standards regarding the selection of drugs, violations of the minimal standards of care and failing to cooperate in a board’s investigation,” the board said.
Mount Carmel has settled at least five wrongful death suits since it fired Husel. Two of the suits that were settled involved deaths of 73-year-old women. Sherry White died in 2014 after receiving two, 100-microgram doses of fentanyl within 16 minutes of each other, the suit alleged. But White’s death certificate said that she died of septic shock from a urinary tract infection (UTI).
The suit in the death of Peggy Francis alleged that she died six minutes after she was given a 200-microgram dose of fentanyl. The death certificate said that Francis-who was being treated for kidney cancer-died from septic shock caused by a UTI.
Each of the lawsuits allege that health care providers ignored excessive painkiller warnings from an electronic medical system or that the system failed to work in the first place. After Mount Carmel fired Husel in December, the health care provider updated its guidelines that a usual adult dosage of fentanyl should be between 25 and 100 micrograms, according to an Ohio Department of Health inspection report. Husel faces an additional 19 wrongful-death suits after another eight were settled, according to NBC.
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Why does this feel like I’m watching a pretend trial? Like everyone seems odd and unprofessional. Lol
Came here after watching the Mat Moore's trial where Diane Menashe excelled yet again... I agree w the other commentators here; whilst the judge seems light in spirit, it does however make the courtroom appear unprofessional. I think the only professional one here is Diane & the defense team. I don't know why but it makes it seem like the other 'professionals' in the room appear inadequate or even childish in comparison. A man's life, well, his living is at stake. The proceedings should not be treated like a joke in any way. I'm glad I already knew the outcome of the trial - if I'm watching this live, I imagine I'd be pretty frustrated.
I too picked this case because I watched the Matt Moore case. I chose this one because you can't go wrong with Diane and Jose😊
Me three! 😂
Defence lawyer is good. No objections. Smooth transition through logical questions establishing what the reasons the DR had for administering the drugs he used, and destroying the damage of the evidence of this witness. Looked at in isolation, t didn't look good. In context, the picture she paints is one of a dedicated and highly proficient physician.
I'm a retired RN and i just know if you rock the boat (even if it's the right thing to do)they will throw you under the bus. It's all about the optics.
I truely believe this doctor is the hospital scapegoat. They were fully aware of his dispensing. You being a nurse, im a surgeon we know that the hospital was fully aware. Once lawsuits starting coming their way they started to come after Dr. Husel.
@@Starrr718 they ABSOLUTELY knew! Like I said they'll throw you under the bus in a heartbeat!
The hospital is trying to throw this doctor under the bus for their benefit. I have worked as clinical lead on implementing these pharmacy softwares and nursing software. I know the settings for override on Pyxis machines is a choice by the hospital and also the scan to order is another setting that can be turned on or off by what the hospitals policy is. What a joke! And I worked with palliative patients and comfort at end of life is the humane thing to do. A painful death is horrible and cruel.
I completely agree. Been saying this all along. The hospital knows exactly what is being dispensed. Its only once lawsuits started coming to them they went after the doctor. This is an absolute shame to the medical profession. This doctor did nothing wrong but repsect these patients.
I agree with you on all accounts. I'm a retired RN from MCH and still remember my Pyxis password.
interesting factoid Janet Kavanaugh's family requested donations to Mt. Carmel. At the time you can assume they thought she got good care and compassion.
This is so unprofessional, laughing and talking like this isn’t a serious matter. People lives have been so disrupted and others have lost their family members.
I agree. It's very odd.
I'm irrationally irritated by the attorneys calling witnesses by their first name...seems inappropriate for court.
He’s having them talk so they don’t hear the side bar. It’s either that or have the jury exit everytime there is a side bar. The more professional thing is to have the jury exit but he’s trying to save time I think. I don’t really agree with it but that’s the reasoning I think.
Why is the judge almost “objecting” to testimony? That’s the job of the lawyers.
I know it's very strange
What was the judge objecting about? I guess I missed that.
Amazing and he wasn't almost objecting he WAS objecting an absolute disgrace.
@@BlargBlather
Is a judge supposed to remain impartial, hes basically a referee in the court.
I watched this full trial as it was streaming live and I've never heard a more annoying unprofessional judge as this one, he seemed to have an umbrage against Jose Baez . It was very frustrating how HE was objecting instead of the lawyers just awful. And this continued banter with the jurors was just well out of order. But delighted the Dr Husel was found NOT GUILTY this was an absolute uncalled for charge towards this Doctor. By unprofessional Detectives.
thus has to be the most unprofessional hearing i’ve ever listened to and watched .in fact it’s shameful in so many ways. Even the average American watching this case. (not involved in the medical field .)can see and know this whole thing is a mess and nothing more then a three ring circus !
Am I watching the same trial as you?
yes...a three ring circus!!!
@@terrilmatteson9525 Only three? It just makes good health workers to quit and allow the inconsiderate non compassionate ones to take over until health go down to the ground.
@@May-wv6ew WHY DO YOU ASK?THIS TRIAL I AM WATCHING THERE'S A WEIRD JUDGE, A DOCTOR
BEING ACCUSED OF KILLING PATIENTS, AND PROSECUTION ACTING LIKE THEY KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS....SO WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING???
Doesn't that make it easier for the defence then? Making everyone else look incompetent?
This judge is weird with him getting upset that he wants to get out of there to go out with his wife
Yes, he acted quite juvenile about wanting to leave at 5:00pm.
I didn’t think he was very courteous to the pharmacist. He took his time dismissing him from the stand and didn’t even wish him a good evening.
He should have been dismissed him before engaging in the never-ending-birthday banter.
The judge should be as courteous to each witness as he is to the jury. He has a choice of how he runs his courtroom. He gets three stars (out of five stars) from me. Courtroom atmosphere gets two stars. No one is miked, no respect for courtroom decorum. Defense attorney should be told to come to court dressed in suitable attire tomorrow.
@@kathyann8974 this judge is so unprofessional....in googling him he is up for election this year....almost lost last time and frankly leaves me really wondering about the voters in Ohio.
I have served twice on a jury and we were never told to converse among ourselves. The court has an image to maintain, this judge seems to be unaware of many things. Getting one of the jurors a cake for their birthday could be seen as a bribe or misconduct, couldn’t it?
Yep , I’m not sure which way I’m leaning on this but I will tell you if he’s convicted, There should an investigation on the shenanigans going on. Even better his lawyers should request a new judge.
Mistrial?
The judge is an absolute joke. Im sure he gets appealed all the time. Today what he did with that one witness was absurd. He allowed her to look at jury and say "here we go" when about to start cross examination. Then said and gave a look to defense table while leaving court room. Judge said NOTHING... if this Doctor got convicted im sure he would win an appeal on the judges behaviour.
While I am displease with them treating this doctor as if he purposefully hurt or kill anyone, I think allowing the jury to discuss while things are fresh in their minds, may not be to much of a bad thing. Sometimes it good to deviate from the norm. Just hope the jurors are of sound minds.
I'm not sure a birthday cake is a bribe. You'd have to show it was in exchange for something and I think it's hard to argue that someone would risk criminal charges for a cake.
most unprofessional prosecution I have EVER seen. I have watched a lot of trials.....
Are the courtroom ever going to stop laughing at the get to know each other comment the judge keeps making.
Can any of the attorneys use a microphone or is that not allowed in the courtroom?🙄
Thank you.
Court Reporters seem to not be able to hear these days
This poor witness looks exhausted after this questioning.
He was certainly up there for several hours, but maintained himself and did very well, imo.
Diane is amazing 🤩
Don't sound like he is still working for the Hospital but is he still a Pharmacist? I heard her say he has a Civil Suit, is it about this case. What a horrible mess and 14 lives. I don't believe Dr is Guilty I believe he is Innocent.
wow, i just retired after 35 years of pharmacy - finally a window into what we do - but lordy i am glad that i never had to sit in the hot seat of a witness chair
I really like this witness. A very big responsibility to dispense drugs. It appears to be unfair dismissal for him. He seems to have acted with ethics.
Did this pharmacist get fired!
I don’t think he should be fired by the way.
@@monicarusso4181 yes he did
@@airickaw8791 that really sucks! I ended up hearing it in his testimony after I asked the question. He handled himself so well on the stand.
I would not want to be sitting near whoever is constantly coughing and sneezing. Happening every day all day.
Why is she calling the witness by his first name?
Because he looks like a little boy who just got in trouble for having his lunch stolen.. 😂🤣😂
This pharmacist is very "evasive" from what I see.
Something's wrong with the pharmacist.
I can understand. The may not want to get in trouble with the judge, prosecutor and the hospital.
@@May-wv6ew Definitely. Seems like the hospital is driving this prosecution.
@@kelleylynch4490 Like I said let's pray that the jurors are smart enough to see through these people. The doctor is the scapegoat.
@@May-wv6ew Absolutely and I am indeed praying.
Zyene making childish comments. "I dont want to be here until June"
Talon is a snake. 🐍
Wow this judge is literally the worst
I'm so confused. If these people are dying and everyone knows it, why are they doing cpr and bringing them back just so they can die again??
Because the patient does not have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) That is the patient's and/or family's or legal surrogate's decision to make, not the medical staff. The patients were in the ICU, not hospice or palliative care.
@@debbietrego1540got yours? Mum does..
Makes everything simpler, and more predictable. Predictably less suffering that is.. 😊
I sure do! A Will, HCPOA and DNR @@markgado8782
Does the female defense attorney have badges/patches on the front of her suit jacket? Am I unaware of a new fashion trend? Strange…🤷🏻♀️
personally i find them unsuitable for courtroom decorum
Is her fashion on trial?
@@jr7845 it was just an observation. Chill out.🙄
I noticed the same thing!!
@@iWantToBelieve... clothes having to do with it, this trial is about Dr Husel and hus innocence
I don't trust this witness.
You'd be a fool too imo.
So shyster-like..
Is Talon still able to work as a pharmacist? I hope so. Prayers to you Talon.
Sad but true.... big corps don't like whistle blowers.
he works at Walgreens as a pharmacist.
Yes, he didn’t lose his pharmacist license, so he can still work as a pharmacist. Which means the pharmacy board concluded he didn’t violate any ethical or legal responsibilities.
@@debereisinger3057 That's not necessarily true. Plenty go on to other jobs in the same industry. Depends on the individual and the company. In this case, the guy kept his license and the talents of pharmacists are not to be wasted.
I read he was a defendant in a civil law suit, along with the doctor and another pharmacist. Civil action was taken by the families.
So hard to hear!!!!
a pharmacist that can't explain what certain drugs are use for?????????????????????
What's going on with that jacket! Obviously, she wants to distract him but come on now... Baez is better than that.
Ugh those plexiglass is horrible for sound
This female lawyer reminds me of The Teacher in School of Rock Ms Mullins so neurotic. And talks like her too.
An absolute s&*t show and no case.
The pharmacist doesn't remember what specific meds are used for?
He's asked about palliative extubation is and he describes what a regular extubation is. Scary how little this guy knows.
I know that my pharmacist knows about meds and what they're prescribed for.
Oh geez 8 overrides?
He said vasopressers increase heart rate, but they don't, they increase vasoconstrictiom which increases systemic vascular resistance in order to increase the blood pressure, specifically, the mean arterial pressure (MAP). The MAP needs to be greater than 65 in order to pump enough blood to vital organs. If you stop vasopressers and the patient can't maintain their MAP on their own their vital organs would not get enough oxygen to function properly. The patient will either die very quickly if their BP goes low enough, or, if they can maintain a low BP for a long period of time with low MAP'S ot could tale days. Everyone is different how they respond, but if they are so ill they need vasopressers death would be guaranteed.
Talon should know this.
So epinephrine wouldn’t increase heart rate? BP=CO x SVR
Also what about dopamine?
@@RAMREZA1 epinephrine would increase the work of the heart, hence why we use it in code situations. It also increase excites the electrical conduction of the heart. We use it both with an arrhythmia code and asystole or pulsless electrical activity. So, i suppose a vasopresser could potentially increase the excitability of the heart and increase it's rate, but we dont use that medication to increase heart rate normally. However, you can use electricity with the arrhythmia.
The vasopressers act similar, so increase BP as well, by increasing the vascular resistance. Once you stop it the vessels will vasodialate and pressure will drop. In fact, it is possible to decrease the supply of blood to the extremities, so much so, it is possible to cut the circulation completely off to extremities.
So. Do you edumecated people think Talon was up for the job? He seems more than clueless to me. The only training I have is having an RN for a mum.
Where are the videos of the direct examination of all these people. After opening statements there are videos missing?
Geez, this defense person does not understand how drugs work with each other. She's just screaming into the wind with this witness.
Terrible defense showing on this day, went in circles with nothing exonerating at all.
Really rude and unprofessional defense cross with this pharmacist. What’s with calling him “Talon”? Pretty familiar for a cross exam
Why did he get fired?