@@veggieboyultimate American cities don’t desperately need tower blocks. They need projects that will preserve historic structures, and regional architecture. They need more affordable single family homes of all sorts, not just apartments. The American Dream is not the same as Europe-Asia.
@@ivandragomiloff2356 what historical structures? 😂, the spaniards barely colonized arizona lol, then when it was part of mexico the mexican government neglected it, not much development happened there, not until the mid 40s.
@@ivandragomiloff2356yes they do. We should enable developers to build more affordable housing. Market rate housing is good too as long as overall it doesn't cause more displacement than it's worth. Definitely need to allow lots of market rate housing in middle and high income neighborhoods
they need to finish the Tempe Town Lake project to reach through Phoenix like it was originally intended and then you could have several such waterfronts
That'd be amazing!!! I commute to Tempe from the West Valley. It'd be so nice to be able to ride that whole way down a water front like what they have near Tempe Town Lake
Problem with these "mixed use" buildings is that they have room for only one or two single corporate tenants on the ground floor. If you truly want urbanism you need much smaller size for commercial portions, allowing a wide variety of small businesses. While nice in some places, we don't need giant CVSs and Targets and Noodles and Company in every single building.
ASU student here, great video! Hopefully these will help drive down the insane rental costs here; for a lot of people (myself included), the best option is still to rent a single-family house since the high-rises are far from affordable. Also, its insane to me that the streetcar still doesn't have real-time tracking, hopefully the increased demand will push Valley Metro to add that. PS- it's Mill Ave not Mill St 😄
@@ivandragomiloff2356 People gotta live somewhere, and at least these "tower blocks" (most are only like 6 stories) have way more soul than yet another suburban subdivision
@@forestfeller Of course people have to live somewhere…but is urbanism, just about building blocks of high rise skyscrapers next to transit? If it is, Then this urbanism has no soul. This Neo-Brutalistic Architecture, masquerading as modern beauty.
You had a take in one of your videos that stated that cities should have a central theme, and is this not what Tempe is? The Phoenix metro area, by all accounts, is extremely new and the modern buildings have always been apart of Phoenix’s architecture. Despite my distaste for modern apartment block designs, they definitely work in a place like Tempe.
Sprawl is definitely still happening very much here but the optimism more in Tempe, North Phoenix and now soon to be South Central. Mesa probably be the next area id imagine that will begin to feel this. Good work.
The average household size in Phoenix is 2.7, but I would assume that apartment units have a smaller household size on average. 10,000 units will probably house 20-24k people.
I visited Phoenix/Tempe back in 2018 and I told my friends expect to see massive towers to be built on the lake and along the light rail. They looked at me like I was crazy...well here we are in 2024....Thanks for this video.
as much as Tempe is growing its actually only a tiny portion of the development that should be occurring in our city, they severely under estimate growth and many in this city are in denial about it. we probably need 30,000 units just for students
Mill Avenue, its Mill Avenue lol. It's really important to get these details right when you're making an explainer video. I do appreciate that you're talking about something nobody else is covering though!
@@lukecarroll19 “Modern Urbanism Architecture” is exceedingly boring. Building high rise LEGO Blocks in Tempe and in the Rest of Arizona is not the answer.
I work in that area, next to Tempe Town Lake. I've also watched the area grow since 2005. Traffic is terrible already, especially if there's an event at ASU. I get to work before morning rush hour, but leaving anytime after 2pm is bad, both cars and students walking to campus. Sure, we need housing, but definitely not that much, and not the cars residents will drive.
Something needs to be done about rural.. build some sort of light rail or BRT on it. It's getting ridiculous. Takes me 30 minutes to get out of Tempe sometimes taking rural.
Yes, I think it some of these should fit more the natural in environment. From using the natural color stones, native plants. They also could have included 'Hogan' or 'Wickiup' inspired style building this would have made I stand out and other Navajo/Apache, like a modern twist on Navajo/ Apache fabric pattern. I Know the Arizona doesn't see itself having historical style because it became a state later, and its development is later. Other inspiration is boarder southwest design, other desert like architecture inspired, other passive cooling/ insulate techniques. These is my issue with Arizona they don't build for the environment. Most of their housing looks out of place, although newer homes have made some improvement.
I never understand how students can afford these new units with the elaborate amenities. Are there any proper dorms providing students with the basics of a room and a bed, with a cafeteria, at a reasonable price?
It's far from particularly expensive on the long run. More importantly, the costs of student appartments is sadly quite decorelated with the building/maintenance costs, and has much more to do with the state of the housing market, at least in Europe.
It was very inexpensive when I was a student there. We paid $1200 for a 2 bed in the middle of Tempe lol. Its gotten very expensive now but wages have gone up a bit too, older apartments are reasonably priced..
Tucson is much better with its Downtown, university commercial neighborhoods, Streetcar and the new very good Mercado District, designed by Moule and Polyzoides with a great new apartment building designed by them, The Monier. They also did an earlier phase of lower density buildings right behind the Monier. A great micro retail container Village too in the Mercado District.
I get so tired of commending college towns for urbanism. They are college towns they have to be walkable. I want to see a city do this without a college anchoring them.
I dont think you should complain about buildings being "ugly" when housing is a utility people need and we're in a housing crisis. I'm glad you support building new housing and density but we have to stop being hung up on building asthetics
@@annedebratto2361 They are lazy, and builders want to make the fastest profit, over building something truly beautiful. Plus the permitting processes/building commissions seem to prefer quick buildings that solve immediate housing needs, that are LEED certified, but don’t require any real design rules or real community input on looks. In the City I reside in, they quickly are building bunches of apartments, 3-6 stories, all blocks. Sure they have different colors, but they are all a bunch of LEGOs with not real design or fit within the environment or location.
It is commonly critisized that Jane Jacobs, like Stalin, was too concerned with architecture and buildings, and not enough with improving the lives of actual people.
Besides The Alyssa, everything else is of abysmal low quality in terms of design. How is that even possible? So much positive investment, yet the beauty isn't there :(
The Phoenix/Tempe urban centers have always been corporate, and these are no exception. The most interesting things are happening further into the neighborhoods where copy/paste mid-rise doesn’t fit. I would appreciate a little more qualification when you describe this area as Transit Oriented Development. Aside from the LRT, streetcar, bus lines on a few major roads, it’s far from transit oriented in the authentic sense that you can live without a car or car service to get to most errands, jobs, etc. It is quite bike-able, even across wide stroads. I’ll save comments about calling residential with some minimal expensive commercial space as required, mixed-use, for another time!
Seriously tho. Tempe is land locked. The city cant expand further than it has its surrounded by existing cities. Anyone in Phx knows Tempe is kids town. The schools make up most of the demographics for the city. I know its hard to make mixed use buildings nice but most of them are pretty ugh.
These housing units are desperately needed and because most neighborhood group opposed duoplexes and townhouses in their own neighborhoods the housing has to be built somewhere
American cities desperately need this, even if the building won't look beautiful
@@veggieboyultimate American cities don’t desperately need tower blocks. They need projects that will preserve historic structures, and regional architecture. They need more affordable single family homes of all sorts, not just apartments. The American Dream is not the same as Europe-Asia.
@@ivandragomiloff2356 what historical structures? 😂, the spaniards barely colonized arizona lol, then when it was part of mexico the mexican government neglected it, not much development happened there, not until the mid 40s.
@@ivandragomiloff2356yes they do. We should enable developers to build more affordable housing. Market rate housing is good too as long as overall it doesn't cause more displacement than it's worth. Definitely need to allow lots of market rate housing in middle and high income neighborhoods
they need to finish the Tempe Town Lake project to reach through Phoenix like it was originally intended and then you could have several such waterfronts
That'd be amazing!!! I commute to Tempe from the West Valley. It'd be so nice to be able to ride that whole way down a water front like what they have near Tempe Town Lake
Problem with these "mixed use" buildings is that they have room for only one or two single corporate tenants on the ground floor. If you truly want urbanism you need much smaller size for commercial portions, allowing a wide variety of small businesses. While nice in some places, we don't need giant CVSs and Targets and Noodles and Company in every single building.
LETS GO TEMPE
ASU student here, great video! Hopefully these will help drive down the insane rental costs here; for a lot of people (myself included), the best option is still to rent a single-family house since the high-rises are far from affordable. Also, its insane to me that the streetcar still doesn't have real-time tracking, hopefully the increased demand will push Valley Metro to add that.
PS- it's Mill Ave not Mill St 😄
A pity that this is happening in ARIZONA, instead of someplace with a decent ground water supply and tolerable weather.
TEMPE MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
Great to see continued urbanization of one of our sprawliest cities
@@forestfeller Not all “urbanization” is good. Especially if you are just building nondescript glass tower blocks. Soulless.
@@ivandragomiloff2356 People gotta live somewhere, and at least these "tower blocks" (most are only like 6 stories) have way more soul than yet another suburban subdivision
@@forestfeller Of course people have to live somewhere…but is urbanism, just about building blocks of high rise skyscrapers next to transit? If it is, Then this urbanism has no soul. This Neo-Brutalistic Architecture, masquerading as modern beauty.
You had a take in one of your videos that stated that cities should have a central theme, and is this not what Tempe is? The Phoenix metro area, by all accounts, is extremely new and the modern buildings have always been apart of Phoenix’s architecture. Despite my distaste for modern apartment block designs, they definitely work in a place like Tempe.
Sprawl is definitely still happening very much here but the optimism more in Tempe, North Phoenix and now soon to be South Central. Mesa probably be the next area id imagine that will begin to feel this. Good work.
Mesa is currently feeling this as we speak. He should do Mesa next they have a nice interactive map showing their development just like Tempe does.
Wow, that was extensive. Who knew Tempe was turning into an urban paradise? I only visited once in '18 but now wanna go back.
The average household size in Phoenix is 2.7, but I would assume that apartment units have a smaller household size on average.
10,000 units will probably house 20-24k people.
Many units were 3-4 bedrooms
I visited Phoenix/Tempe back in 2018 and I told my friends expect to see massive towers to be built on the lake and along the light rail. They looked at me like I was crazy...well here we are in 2024....Thanks for this video.
as much as Tempe is growing its actually only a tiny portion of the development that should be occurring in our city, they severely under estimate growth and many in this city are in denial about it. we probably need 30,000 units just for students
Mill Avenue, its Mill Avenue lol. It's really important to get these details right when you're making an explainer video.
I do appreciate that you're talking about something nobody else is covering though!
All of these new "buildings" look so ugly. Like blind people tried to build a house from legos.
Edit: And they only got basic bricks.
Wonder how long before they're imploded.
@@omegamale7880Most of the butt ugly office buildings from the 1960's are still standing so my guess is a long time.
360p ?
Won’t happen again. Adobe and I don’t have the greatest relationship
Great video! Keep it up 👏🏼
Architecture has gotten so boring.
@@lukecarroll19 “Modern Urbanism Architecture” is exceedingly boring. Building high rise LEGO Blocks in Tempe and in the Rest of Arizona is not the answer.
Omg love your videos!!! You should definitely check out all of the development and changes in metro Atlanta. Would be a great video!
I work in that area, next to Tempe Town Lake. I've also watched the area grow since 2005. Traffic is terrible already, especially if there's an event at ASU. I get to work before morning rush hour, but leaving anytime after 2pm is bad, both cars and students walking to campus. Sure, we need housing, but definitely not that much, and not the cars residents will drive.
Something needs to be done about rural.. build some sort of light rail or BRT on it. It's getting ridiculous. Takes me 30 minutes to get out of Tempe sometimes taking rural.
Gosh, bro! I thought you were older! You are very knowledgeable for someone at your age.
Just wanted to say there is a county petition rn trying to stop this
Thank you Mr Rotmensz for covering the Grand Canyon State
I don't know why TH-cam still having this at 360p!
Yes, I think it some of these should fit more the natural in environment. From using the natural color stones, native plants. They also could have included 'Hogan' or 'Wickiup' inspired style building this would have made I stand out and other Navajo/Apache, like a modern twist on Navajo/ Apache fabric pattern. I Know the Arizona doesn't see itself having historical style because it became a state later, and its development is later.
Other inspiration is boarder southwest design, other desert like architecture inspired, other passive cooling/ insulate techniques. These is my issue with Arizona they don't build for the environment.
Most of their housing looks out of place, although newer homes have made some improvement.
I never understand how students can afford these new units with the elaborate amenities. Are there any proper dorms providing students with the basics of a room and a bed, with a cafeteria, at a reasonable price?
It's far from particularly expensive on the long run. More importantly, the costs of student appartments is sadly quite decorelated with the building/maintenance costs, and has much more to do with the state of the housing market, at least in Europe.
It was very inexpensive when I was a student there. We paid $1200 for a 2 bed in the middle of Tempe lol. Its gotten very expensive now but wages have gone up a bit too, older apartments are reasonably priced..
@@MoonShine-o5nWow when was that
I'd love to visit Tempe one day
I live here and I love to see these steps in the right direction. But Christ is it a ways from the sweet Euro and Asian urbanism.
thank you so much
Max quality on this video is 360p??? 🤔
Why?
Rotating the map at 4:33 without any notes, arrow, etc is challenging to follow, even for us who lived there & know the area
THAT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE
Tucson is much better with its Downtown, university commercial neighborhoods, Streetcar and the new very good Mercado District, designed by Moule and Polyzoides with a great new apartment building designed by them, The Monier. They also did an earlier phase of lower density buildings right behind the Monier. A great micro retail container Village too in the Mercado District.
Tucson is a joke and a craphole lol. Enjoy the meth.. only the locals seem to love it so much.
I get so tired of commending college towns for urbanism. They are college towns they have to be walkable. I want to see a city do this without a college anchoring them.
Most of this development isn’t for asu. It is for the booming tech sector of tempe
[edit...The tech boom is] Due in large part to the uni.
the jealousy is real
Mill Ave, not Mill Street!
I dont think you should complain about buildings being "ugly" when housing is a utility people need and we're in a housing crisis. I'm glad you support building new housing and density but we have to stop being hung up on building asthetics
It’s great except for 99 percent of the rest of Tempe and phoenix that look like a suburban hellscape 😂
Gotta do Bellevue, WA next
Not all “Progress” is good.
These buildings are horrific and I'm very pro urban development
@@Ponchoed seriously, like i do not understand how architects can keep dreaming up such ugly buildings or high rises
@@annedebratto2361 They are lazy, and builders want to make the fastest profit, over building something truly beautiful. Plus the permitting processes/building commissions seem to prefer quick buildings that solve immediate housing needs, that are LEED certified, but don’t require any real design rules or real community input on looks.
In the City I reside in, they quickly are building bunches of apartments, 3-6 stories, all blocks. Sure they have different colors, but they are all a bunch of LEGOs with not real design or fit within the environment or location.
It is commonly critisized that Jane Jacobs, like Stalin, was too concerned with architecture and buildings, and not enough with improving the lives of actual people.
Only thing is that's untrue. Funnily enough those said that didn't care for anything but profit but claimed to be improving peoples lifes.
Comparing Jane Jacobs to one of the most brutal dictators to ever live
Can you tell why lately all your videos have been posted in 360 quality? It's kinda annoying..
My bad. Just a quirk with Adobe Premier Pro. Won’t happen in the future
Besides The Alyssa, everything else is of abysmal low quality in terms of design.
How is that even possible? So much positive investment, yet the beauty isn't there :(
These developments are in a purple state.
Dude, it's "MILL AVENUE" not mill street. You obviously do not live in Tempe.
Good news in terms of urbanism but the architecture sucks.
The Phoenix/Tempe urban centers have always been corporate, and these are no exception. The most interesting things are happening further into the neighborhoods where copy/paste mid-rise doesn’t fit.
I would appreciate a little more qualification when you describe this area as Transit Oriented Development. Aside from the LRT, streetcar, bus lines on a few major roads, it’s far from transit oriented in the authentic sense that you can live without a car or car service to get to most errands, jobs, etc. It is quite bike-able, even across wide stroads.
I’ll save comments about calling residential with some minimal expensive commercial space as required, mixed-use, for another time!
mmm your cute. ;) Ill buy you a coffee. Ill do other things but this already got weird. HAHA
Seriously tho. Tempe is land locked. The city cant expand further than it has its surrounded by existing cities. Anyone in Phx knows Tempe is kids town. The schools make up most of the demographics for the city. I know its hard to make mixed use buildings nice but most of them are pretty ugh.
Why do all apartments look like that? YUCK.
So many boring glass and steel boxes.
That is why I got out of Tempe. I didn't like the direction the city was going with its extensive urbanization.
Tempe is so small.. no other way but up.
Good urbanism bland architecture
Yeah , more gross apartment buildings and mindless skyscrapers to the valley .
You don't have to live there
These housing units are desperately needed and because most neighborhood group opposed duoplexes and townhouses in their own neighborhoods the housing has to be built somewhere
People need to live somewhere
This is great news and will help with the housing shortage.
Mill Ave my dude