Ubuntu Unity: Ubuntu's Biggest Regret? (First Impressions)
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- Today I talk about my first impression of Ubuntu Unity Remix, the next official Ubuntu flavor.
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the gnome team has made overtly racist statements against white people. i will never use any distro that uses anything by the gnome team, and thats ignoring the shady stuff canonical has done in the past, gathering metrics without the users consent etc.
Unity is nostalgic AF. First time using linux for me was with Ubuntu 12.04 back in 2013. Then I began my graphic design work in 2014 and dropped out to use Adobe software. Came back to linux when the pandemic start and now my entire workflow is FOSS. Unity brings back so many memories and so many feelings. It's nice to know Canonical is working again with Unity development.
I also started using Ubuntu around that time. I thought Unity was pretty cool, but I'm one that doesn't hate Gnome either. As long as it works, I'm not too picky about DEs.
This isnt made by Canonical though...
@@jacobheinrich4919 I know it's Rudra. And he's just a kid. But, c'mon man you get my point. haha
Hi Matt, for the Hub you demostrated in the first few minutes, there're 2 types of layouts: the Desktop and Netbook layouts. You're demonstrating the Netbook layout that's why it occupies the whole screen, I prefer the Desktop layout where it only occupies the top left coner of the screen, in this way, it doesn't stand in your way.
This is very thoughtful by Unity designers by the way.
Ubuntu should really make Unity their main desktop. Even if I wanted to use Gnome, I'd rather tend towards Fedora which ships the cleanest Gnome experience and doesn't mess around with mixing versions of Gnome-specific programs. So vanilla Ubuntu really doesn't have anything to stand out for me.
Which is funny because while Unity was the main desktop for Ubuntu, there was a GNOME 3 remix of Ubuntu that was pretty vanilla
I have used it myself and it is slow to install but a good and stable experience.I am glad that it is now going to be given official status and look forwards to the 20.10 version.
Gnome 2 was default. That was gone, was forked and became Mate, and Ubuntu Mate became officially supported. Unity came out later. Ubuntu eventually dropped it and it later received support from the community and it is now officially supported.
That's why we
Oh boy, I just HAVE to give Unity a look. Such a sleek looking DE 💪😍
The MAIN Problem I have with the LOOK is that it looks like GNOME 3 and NOT Unity... you have to go to the settings to make it look like UNITY (The dock made to have Transparent borders around the icons which looks better to me and like UNITY).
Using Ubuntu Gnome: "It things didn't work on the first click, it's a buggy mess and unusable"
Using Ubuntu Unity: "if you look past the bugs, it's a great desktop environment"
Just also want to add that all they did to Gnome to make it look like unity is adding a side panel, they really didn't spend that much effort making it look like Unity
After Gnome 40 things become harder. And Gnome doesn't care about others. Neither Ubuntu nor other extension developers. That's why you have to put effort to keep your things usable. That's why Solus, mint and pop os devs walking away from gnome.
I think ubuntu found it easier to maintain extensions over an entire desktop.
Totally, o think they only create Ubuntu-dock extension, and DING and icon tray extension are from the GNOME users
@@dermond Well, even Ubuntu-dock is not a creation per say, it's just Dash-to-Dock « stripped down / preconfigured » - look at its setting through dconf-editor.
Therefore you hold the answer : by giving up on Unity, Canonical was able to « reorganize » its dev' teams and allocate more work people on projects that make money.
( and it's not so bad after all. )
Now the future of Unity still looks weird : what about Wayland, gtk4, Compiz ? Will all these things mix together well in the long run ?
Same question about Ubuntu Budgie…
Well, Canonical gave up on unity when the convergence project (Aka Unity8, that now lives in the Lomiri Desktop Environment) was abandoned. They did it because developing and mantaining such a complex Desktop Environment was a very expensive task and because GNOME 3 was actually becoming usable. 5 years later, this new flavor of ubuntu is meaningful not because the team repackaged the old unity desktop (it's actually grounded by X11 and compiz, that isn't mantained anymore) but because unity development was resumed by the community, and there are plans again to collaborate with the Lomiri community to deliver what Canonical never actually did: a new convergent desktop based on unity and its interface concepts. I wish Rudra Saraswat would explain us the plans: what's going on with UnityX? When is Lomiri becoming an official DE for Ubuntu unity?
you are great!I love this channel
I remember back in the day that unity was the best UI to use in my netbook with a tiny tiny screen.
So they went down a road to No Where just to end up where they should have stayed at in the first place... Nice move!
LLAP
I used Ubuntu since 2008 unity was so awesome I introduced my big bro to it and he fell in love with it and doesn't want to upgrade from 16.04 just because he doesn't wanna let go of unity
I remember when Unity first came out and trying to run it on my PC. It was so slow, primarily because my hardware was just too old for it. This was a long time ago.
and your point is?
@@errorsofmodernism9715 No point, just an observation of how it ran in the past. What is the point of your comment?
I remember a special feature of the Hub was to search the menus of currently open applications. Does the current Hub also implement this? What makes the Hub so special? Having an integrated search for documents, applications and Web content maybe was an amazing feature in 2012, but today it's kind of standard.
Two things:
Global Menu
And the possibility to search for every Setting in most apps within the HUD. For example you need an Effect in Gimp but don't know where it is located or format a text in Libre Office, you just press the ALT key and search for it and it will show you where it is and you can directly click on it.
It's the HUD and you use the Alt key for it. Super is for the Dash.
@@Lestibournes Thanks for the correction. I mixed something up I guess. Did not use it in a while. I will correct it in my original comment
Thanks for the insight. It seems still very slow, maybe that's cause of the vm. When you opened the desktop options, the wallpaper images loaded like a turtle.
PS I like your Nintendo wallpapers very much. Where did you buy them?
I got them on Amazon
01:14 I think it would be useful to test other distros on that hardware and/or try to install on another computer to get an idea if the issu lies with the hardware itself or if it is a distro issue.
Matt my friend, You showed me how to customise my FF but I need one more thing from you! I'm now making my terminal look nice but I miss one feature that I've seen in you videos - when you 'ls' you have icons next to files and folders instead of just plain text. I googled but I couldn't find how to do it. i currently use oh my zsh and powerlevel10k addons. Thanks!
Ok I found it! Logo-ls + alias
Stuck at the partition: I was doing some tests and it happened to me a couple of times, I found out the partition tool added one MB to the partition size so it got stuck in a loop or something. I mean, let's say it was a 32gb partition. It had 32768mb of size, but the partition tool by default tried to format it as a 32769mb partition. At first I didn't notice and I wondered "why is it stuck?", but checking the settings I noticed it automatically added 1mb and if I manually corrected it to the right number, the partition worked inmediately and the installation kept going.
by pure coincidence most likely, the unity top bar perfectly matches the background of dark mode youtube
Is there snap install by default, if not then, will it will be included when canonical launch with 22.10 unity spins ?
I had the opposite problem, I couldn't get this to work on VirtualBox. After install it would just sit there. Good video.
How is Unity Hub different from GNOME overview? The latter also searches files, applications and whatnot.
Ubuntu + Unity + Wayland = Dream
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The problem with Unity was it got entangled in the Ubuntu Mobile shenanigans. Convergent UI, Mir vs. Wayland, trying to port everything to Qt, it sas a mess. That's all encompassed in "Unity 8," which is barely clinging to life as an alternate phone OS. What this team did was revert to Unity 7 on Xorg from the desktop releases and then try to bring it up to date. That was the easy part. Porting to Wayland is going to be serious systems programming, and that's going to be necessary as hardware testing under X gets rarer.
btw, I tried Ubuntu Unity as well, it does stuck somewhere while instalation. I thought it was copying files? Anyway, after around 5 mintues, it proceeded to the next step, I was able to install it.
P.S. I'm using Manjaro Xfce, Ubuntu LXQt now. Just trying to avoid GNOME, which is too heavy, stand in your way.
If they make it distro agnostic I would highly consider switching from KDE
what is the Unity and the Gnome RAM footprint comparation?
@@tomas-wi8dy Unity is much better than Gnome out of the box.
@@CrazyByDefault Thank you! ... have you some numbers?
@@tomas-wi8dy unfortunately not, because I no longer have gnome installed on any of my machines, it's just Unity.
On most Ubuntu distros, you can still apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop and use the last version of Unity canonical developed, and login into that during boot as another DE. Should be quite easy to see the difference in usage there.
@@CrazyByDefault Thank you! ... just to see the dif not matter to install ubuntu
Sounds like you need to build a NAS good sir :)
Going to load it up on a virt, looks similar to something I used about 100 years ago...
To me Unity still was "the new thing everybody hates" hahaha. I remember Ubuntu had a lot of momentum, it was the most famous distro, even "normies" had Ubuntu laptops, I think it was between 7 and 10 more or less. Then they switched to Unity, people hated it, lots of people abandoned it for Mint, or used the XFCE, Gnome or KDE versions. It feels weird that now there's nostalgia for Unity and it's "the old thing" now. To me it still was the "new controversial thing nobody liked".
gnome looks so much better, but Deepin has the best looking UI
Unity I use to use it as my main desktop now that Version 22.10 is available I am back. This vesion mind stil needs some work but it does run really nice and has less bugs then 22.04
Good review.
I wish they have used old icons and Ambiance style. New theme and icons are just mess (IMO).
The HUD
Is the HUD (Heads Up Display) still there? It comes up when you hit the Alt key
pretty sure I spent the whole video calling the hub
What you covered in the video what happens when you press the super key. What I'm referring to is the HUD functionality that comes up when you press the Alt key; it would search through a program's menus so that you wouldn't have to go through the menus yourself to find the command you wanted. It was my favorite feature along with what you covered. Great video by the way, I think you and DT are my favorite Linux TH-cam channels. Keep up the good work.
I was thinking Ubuntu dropped Unity because it was resource hog and video driver compatibility was a problem. I did forget Ubuntu tried the phone thing.
My guess what Ubuntu gained from GNOME is usability for critical use cases. I guess developing and maintaining Unity took too many ressources. Instead every major enterprise distro (RHEL, SLE, Fedora, Ubuntu) use GNOME because the GNOME devs sit very very close to RedHat/IBM and therefore have a ton of financial and personell ressources
Just like with many things it is oftentimes more logic to go from in-house to imported parts or elements. 💪🙏
I'm with you. They've admitted to making a mistake.
Fun fact. Unity Remix is created by a 10 year old boy, _Rudra Saraswat_
# Why didn't they stick with Unity?
Developing and maintaining a complete independent desktop environment (DE) is much more work than customizing Gnome to roughly fit the Ubuntu style. While in a desktop environment, you have to develop many kinds of different applications and functionalities, tweaking an existing desktop only requires to adapt it. It's certainly not the easiest work, but it's definitely less work than maintaining your own DE.
I couldn't get the dash search to work. It wouldn't find any files. After I installed plocate and did updatedb it worked like a charm. In fact it works as well as KDE's search function and is much better than gnome's which I have a terrible time with it's search function. Canonical should have stayed with Unity and develop it further. I think it's much better than gnome.
Unity for the win ,GVM.
Is it the hub or is it the HUD?
i like unity...but gnome i just better with ubuntus spin.
Enjoyed your video, thanks...
HUD, not HUB
I thought everyone hated unity in its day.
Well true, there where some people who hated it, but not all of them.
It was the oldheads and the people that just wanted windows clones. I got unity running in an internet Cafe with over 50 computers and people enjoyed the experience it was different from windows but still easy to use. It wasn't trying to be something it's not and it got people on board. But old heads think crappy uis like cinnamon mate etc are the way to win users over but it's the opposite.
There are several problems with Ubuntu or Canonical.
One of many problems is they do not work well with others. Rather than working with Gnome they insist on rolling their own . Many developers in the larger Linux community have voiced these concerns from day 1 when Mark forked from Debian.
The problem comes that they simply do not have the resources to go at it alone and then their pet projects go unsupported.
Ubuntu touch, upstart, MIR to name a few.
At the end of the day I believe they would do better if they were more willing to work with others.
I think they would be further if they worked alone like Google does and just bring out good usable systems for simple users without going through hoops to convince others on what changes to make to a more usable system which are rather overlooked
@@famousmwofficial8046 not really they are dependent and always have been on Debian
@Leopard I feel like ubuntu has come along way from depending on Debian entirely and with my example I said on their own like Google let's keep in mind Google builds off of gentoo just like ubuntu builds on Debian but they've brought out their own thing from it.
@Famous MW in order to evolve into what you envision they have to split Ubuntu from Canonical and SABDFL.
Similar to RHEL and Fedora there has to be Canonical as an enterprise Linux and Ubuntu as a community driven project with as much independence as possible.
As it is now SABDFL and Canonical are stifling growth.
@@leopard3131 what is SABDFL? I've never heard of that. Please explain what it is
Something the devs need to work on is fixing the absolutly unusable notification system.
You can't click them and when they go away there is no tray icon to check them
unity = notifications that doesn't do nothing. 😠
Honestly Ubuntu’s Switch to GNOME made GNOME better, as you said. Cannonical has a bad habit of trying to reinvent the wheel and wasting a lot of manpower contributing to fragmentation instead of contributing to existing projects that work fine and making them better - SNAP’s continuing development being the most recent example.
It’s cool that unity got picked up again by the community, but I think it’s been good for a broader swath of the linux community that cannonical threw its support behind GNOME and I wish they’d do the same with Flatpak.
The problem is unity was stealing people's hearts. When windows users switch they don't expect windows they expect something else that's different so they understand it's not windows when it doesn't work exactly like windows. Unity was really unique and a special identity for linux that we should strive for. But anyways I support Canonical when they go their own route because with this Foss thing it seems everything that the community wants full control over never really goes forward and is just something used by nerds. Canonical tried to reinvent the wheel but they always trying to remove that complication from the software which the rest of the community wouldn't accept in community software ( I hope I'm making sense)
Snap is my preference BTW but I wish canonical would make Exe like installers from appimage so I can have an easy and more familiar way of installing software especially when I'm not online.
twak
Also, there's question of why not just use KDE too - I've been using Garuda Linux for a year now on my main home PC and it behaves very similar to Unity. Probably just need to change the App Launcher and install plasma-hud, but otherwise, the important parts are very similar. It'd be much easier to just get KDE to behave like Unity, and heck, you can always do like FerenOS and use a mishmash of GTK and Qt app if the Qt apps didn't quite fit as GTK can integrate very well with KDE. I guess there's a lot of historical Qt and KDE problems in that issue, but it's just kinda weird.
It's not "Hub" it's "Dash".
I've now been told three different things.
@@TheLinuxCast
Dictionary of Unity terms:
HUD - Heads Up Display. Used for searching through the global menu.
Scopes and lenses - data sources and views in the Dash.
Dash - the interface for searching everything, including applications, files, music, videos, photos, amazon, etc.
Launcher - The Dock.
Indicators - the menus at the top right corner.
App Menu - the global menu.
There is no such thing as "hub"
@@Lestibournes So I made a mistake. Sure it will happen again. My quest for perfection has been tarnished forevermore.
@@TheLinuxCast LOL. It's not a big deal, but if you talk about Unity again, now you have a glossary of terms.
Looks like a riced MX Linux to me!
That's just too much, they've lost the plot.
The Gnome 3 and Unity Era is like the dark ages of linux. We just don't talk about them... It was an awkward moment to be using linux.
Personally never really liked unity desktop.
old tech. x-org, compiz, etc. junk
old doesn't mean bad.
For as resource heavy as people think GNOME is, it's probably less resource-hungry than Unity.
Ever tried to use it? It's damn fast actually and uses less RAM than Gnome. Stop saying crap if you don't use it. It's always my go to *buntu since Gnome always uses beyond 1GB ram idle and animations stutters in my Laptop.
@@komi_maru Actually, yes I have, and I liked it, but there were a few glitches I had with it, so I went back to regular Ubuntu. But if this comes out officially from Canonical, I will definitely use it.
When Canonical abandoned Unity I felt betrayed, I just could not stand that Gnome crap.
Isn't this a third party project run by a young enthusiast, Rudra Saraswat, that wanted to keep Unity alive? Is Canonical trying to take it over and call it their own? Again?