Is Moira OP in Season 12? (Full Placement Games)

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  • @ptapollo
    @ptapollo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    So high ranked moiras use her hp as an extension of her kit to provide value and that got nerfed. Her auto-aim ability got buffed. Nothing for the orbs. The devs said they don’t mind moira being one of the heroes that is strong in lower ranks and weak at the higher ranks. They took that sentiment and ran! Doesn’t this buff just make moira more oppressive in lower ranks and more boring in higher ranks? What is this solving?

  • @SecureBirch410
    @SecureBirch410 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    This patch is crazy to me because what happened to like 2 seasons ago where they wanted to cut down on dps creep and increase time to kill? Why have they just lowered a bunch of hp pools and also increased damage? Moira especially is supposed to be the one character that oh she doesnt have utility, but at least she can survive, thats what she does. But now they decided shes a "hyper mobile character" and now ana and zen have more hp than her? Of course shes still kind of tankier(except to hanzo and hog yay)But her damage is too high for an auto lock, especially vs tracer and the 225 mobile characters, what happened to when she had 65 damage before and they reverted it? Now hp pools are even lower theyre trying it again? I have a feeling shes going to get it taken away pretty soon, probably in exchange for like coalescence speed buff or something minor.

  • @drsquid8124
    @drsquid8124 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Sombra is gigabroken with the buffs and health reduction for other teams. She was already super oppressive in metal ranks

    • @ash20453
      @ash20453 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      its almost as if they shouldn't have reworked her. they took away what made her unique and dynamic, lowered barrier to entry and required less thought to play. meanwhile everyone still hates her equally as much as before

    • @AC_Milan1899
      @AC_Milan1899 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Way too much reward for very little risk in the lower ranks. They need to increase her cooldowns

  • @rockez09
    @rockez09 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    The devs are already inching towards pylon having a reduced effect on Illari. Maybe they should just commit and have pylon not heal Illari.

  • @GeniusInventor-dj5zc
    @GeniusInventor-dj5zc 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    The health nerf on Moira was completely unnecessary

    • @SecureBirch410
      @SecureBirch410 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Ikr. Just leave her... No dmg buff and no hp nerf. She doesn't fit in the same category of hyper mobile heroes, survivability is her whole thing. It's like saying they wanna cut movement creep and giving Lucio a slower movement speed than everyone else.

    • @spookysushi4079
      @spookysushi4079 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      she has near instant self heal and a get out a jail free card. she will we be fine

    • @bernale4974
      @bernale4974 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@spookysushi4079I totally agree.

    • @GeniusInventor-dj5zc
      @GeniusInventor-dj5zc 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@spookysushi4079 Lmao in lower ranks that sounds good but in higher ranks she’s weak now. Her survivability is the best attribute in her kit and they just took that away

    • @Lucario9d
      @Lucario9d 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For what Moira can do, it REALLY is not as big of a deal for her than you’re making it out to be. She has self sustain through her right click and heal orb. She’s already one of the most difficult heroes to kill. Trading the health for damage as actually huge and opens up more play styles for Moira, while still being punishable.

  • @morevrai
    @morevrai 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    omg as soon as moira was buffed I raced over, I feel like coal should’ve been buffed too but this is something. She has a higher hps on herself while dpsing now, all it takes is relearning the breakpoints but super hyped for this season? Lw and mercy sound good too so I’m actually hopeful for once😭

    • @TangleHamain
      @TangleHamain 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thats all she needs: her coal's damage getting buffed. But, they just keep buffing and nerfing her.. regular damage? Its so weird, it seems like they do not know what they wanna do with Moira lol.

  • @jsrhedgehog9981
    @jsrhedgehog9981 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    10:00
    When it comes to the Illari nerf, Blizzard thinks in "what's the bigger picture?" The ammo reduction drastically affects her TTTW (Time to Team Wipe.)
    You see, after she two shots all of the squishies, she'll have to reload to kill the tank.
    See??? Blizzard knows what they are doing.

  • @hikarioverwatch
    @hikarioverwatch 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I always get so excited when you post. 🍿

  • @Nexusquo
    @Nexusquo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So Illari and Kiri can now two tap again and Moira can be killed with either two HS or 3 body shots.

    • @ArxUK
      @ArxUK  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      My biggest issue isn't so much that she can 2 tap, it's that she can heal herself (and allies) while she is 2 tapping players.
      High damage output needs low range or low survivability. She's a Reaper at close range but also a Cassidy at long range that can also heal teammates. She needs some downtime. Make it so she needs to refill her pylon with her right click beam. Have it heal a max of 200 healing before she needs to beam it again.

    • @shaheedroylance
      @shaheedroylance 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ArxUKthat'd be a crazy good change actually!!!

  • @therealsamtheman
    @therealsamtheman 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Moira has a 6 second movement skill, therefore she is highly mobile and will be nerfed.
    Genji can double jump, wall climb, dash and has a dash reset. therefore he is not mobile"
    - The Devs

    • @ArxUK
      @ArxUK  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @therealsamtheman you forgot he also has long range attacks, so doesn't have to be close to someone to do anything, even if it's better that he is, it's not a requirement.
      Moira has to play constantly in the dangerzone

  • @badcaseofstripes
    @badcaseofstripes 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    If you consistently die within two seconds of entering the backline on Moira, the damage buff becomes effectively null unless you catch someone out alone and survive. Her survivability, one of the primary reasons to even play the hero, seems shot in the foot this patch. It didn't feel like very often where your heal orb got you out of a pickle because you'd just get bursted. I haven't played OW in a long time so I don't know how it was for awhile before recently. I feel even in 1v1 situations, it's a much steeper risk to take those duels now, but if you don't, you get minimal value. The overall damage in the game right now seems excessive even just watching gameplay. Moira's mobility is not good enough to save her from having such low health with such high overall damage across all heroes especially other supports who have more health + real utility. And how her survivability looks like high D tier now compared to other supports. She melts like butter. It's a pretty drastic change from where she was. I've always wanted Blizzard to take a more experimental route with Moira along the lines of skill based laser beam right click, lower base damage with headshots, instead of auto lock. Lingering/ramping/tiered damage, optional stationary orbs, hell even a double jump, just anything. If this is where they are going with Moira they need to give her utility or make her mechanics more skill based.

  • @wowKyl3
    @wowKyl3 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Moira needs a buff severely. I've been playing her for almost seven years and she is made out of paper. She has no defense. Once you teleport you are basically fkd in all aspects of the game. You can't heal enough to negate the damage being done to you and you can't do enough damage to 1v1 most dps heroes. She honestly sucks and it's infuriating to know that people think she's somehow OP. She's not at all. If anything she needs a defensive stat buff because she can't take one hit without being half dead already. It makes her utility very limited. Her Coalescence is a joke. I literally used her Ult on Roadhog and he stood there inside of it, reloaded his gun and shot me then walked off. Completely unbothered. It really is pathetic compared to everyone elses Ult in the game.

  • @dash4800
    @dash4800 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    An extra 5 dmg/second just does not seem like much help when you lost 25 hp. That means for it to even out you would have to be in a fight for 5 seconds to make up that difference. That massively increases the odds of a random headshot killing you when before you would have survived another second to fade away or throw a heal orb. To me it seems like it basically removes all of Moiras usefulness. She literally does nothing else but be alive and be a nuisance to the other team. But now you won't be able to do that much at all. And its not like they lowered everyones hp. They only did it for a couple heroes. So at best you might be able to kill a couple supports better. But you can pretty much forget about going after any dps in a 1v1 now.. . .

    • @monkeytoes1155
      @monkeytoes1155 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sound like a bronze

    • @dash4800
      @dash4800 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @monkeytoes1155 diamond 1. Do you typically get into engagements with high level dps that just keep missing you? Because I think they have better aim than that at my level.

    • @SecureBirch410
      @SecureBirch410 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It makes her amazing for killing Lucio, like it's just mean. But if they've got like illari or someone + brig and pylon is staying up, you're not gonna be able to kill either supports and you're gonna struggle with trying to just distract.

    • @BegetterVIIEVEN
      @BegetterVIIEVEN 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I got to platinum with Moira last season. Now I'm just being one shotted by Hanzo's.

    • @Sus.Sus.
      @Sus.Sus. 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dash4800that’s not even high elo tho

  • @razrv3lc
    @razrv3lc 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I don't think they nerfed Illari's ult. they made it so it wouldn't accidentally hit map geometry it wasn't meant to hit (like the corner of buildings or signs), so they actually buffed it. Tbf that actually was a big issue with her ult. Seemed like it had a knack for finding every sign and lamp post.

  • @kappa1990
    @kappa1990 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think making her fade 1 second shorter would have been a nice buff to balance out the nerf.

  • @ash20453
    @ash20453 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Id be okay with this if I could have a 5 second fade. But in this video I was fully expecting you to criticize them trying to balance her by simply putting more power into her least interesting ability her succ

  • @son_guhun
    @son_guhun 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I haven't played this season yet, but this change seems like the worst. My favorite change, probably ever, in this game was the global HP increase. Now they specifically remove it from Moira and bring back annoying one shots. Ugh. Hopefully it's not so bad.

  • @Nexusquo
    @Nexusquo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Whoever said anything about living with one health didn’t realize Illari HS is 112.5 not 112 so it actually is a two shot 112.5x2 is 225.

  • @chac6957
    @chac6957 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not related to the Moira buff/nerf per se, but I find it crazy how people can ignore turrets, whether they are Sym's, Illari's, or Torb's. Those get crazy value the longer they live. I do try to kill them as much as possible, but Moira is not as good at destroying them as dps or tank. You don't get healed by your right click, and orbs don't affect them. You can't duck in and out of cover to destroy them because your weapon is a beam. You have to to stand there being a target. If I play anything other than supports, which is quite rare, I make it my job to destroy them as much as possible.

  • @basuki_panda16
    @basuki_panda16 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Disclaimer: I'm a plat player.
    Honestly, this is the worst Moira has felt since I've started playing her. I thought the whole point of the HP changes was to stop BS characters like Hanzo, Junk, Sym, Torb from randomly killing you by just spamming an area because dying to that is unfun.
    Now Hanzo can 1 shot, Junk can 1 shot etc just with bigger hitboxes. Also let's nerf the HP pools but buff Sombra the most irritating character in the game that will go down well. I don't understand why Blizzard keeps buffing these characters people can't stand playing against back in the game. Nobody wants to get 1 shot by Hanzo and nobody wants to die in seconds to an invisible Sombra who basically has a 1 shot virus now.
    Then there's Dva. Well done you nerfed Matrix but not her boost or her missiles. All the Dva needs to do is look at me and I'm dead. I use fade to avoid the Dva tough shit buddy because my boost is on a 4 second cooldown now goodbye.
    Moira's tiktok playstyle feels dead. I try and draw threat aggro and I can hold a position for about a second and then you have to fade thx to having no HP and the DPS passive removing your self heal. All of the flexibility is gone and it's just sit behind a wall grasp and pray that Hanzo didn't get a good RNG roll and one shot me when I peek.
    It discourages any offensive or creative play and just forces me to sit there and do nothing.
    Also I don't understand why then keep buffing grasp which takes 0 skill to use but won't buff orb, coal, or sustain so she can have skill expression. Did the same thing with Juno let's nerf her primary fire that requires aim and buff the insta lock 0 aim ability it makes no sense man.

  • @Caiofoca
    @Caiofoca 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    (14:30) Well, with the pylon healing illari for half, you actually do outdamage it's healing by quite a tad (40 dmg/s with no orb).
    It will still be a hard 1v1 with a well placed orb, but you straight up lose without orb. Just that I don't think you can go for the pylon at all unless you're going with a healing orb.
    But yeah, that's in a perfect scenario where she won't be receiving any help, which is obviously not really valid in high ranks.

  • @rokkalombardi2196
    @rokkalombardi2196 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Still don't know how Blizz cant see that Illari's dmg isnt the problem.
    She does 2 things way better than all of the other supports so ONE of them needs to be weakened to be fair.

  • @shaheedroylance
    @shaheedroylance 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Since this season i definitely get ALOT less moiras in my games, ive already noticed it. Used to be one moira AT LEAST per game. Not so much anymore..

  • @14onyx
    @14onyx 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    24:52 "locking sate- Ah!" And dies. That's funny as I had the same thing when i exploded her with junkrat (along with 2 others) It was like "welcome to.. AHH!" .dies

  • @forestU
    @forestU 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    How is this GM? How can no one but him see a pylon; isn't that game sense 101?!

    • @Glothor_
      @Glothor_ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Most get carried into these ranks and stop after 1 or 2 games to not lose their rank

    • @tobiasw2032
      @tobiasw2032 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      there was a rank reset this season so maybe the players he plays with in the placements are all over the place. but idek

  • @pest5373
    @pest5373 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Illari is literally able to just spawn a mercy valk.
    Also thinking about it every single deployable one overwatch is just annoying

  • @steveamoon4047
    @steveamoon4047 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like fighting Illiari is minmaxing, either attack her and dodge enough that she maybe dies,or dive the pilon(using all cooldowns)

  • @zenpvnk
    @zenpvnk 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    terrible lowering already low hp characters... constantly just being sent back to spawn is the worst feeling thing in the game. Meanwhile they DIDN'T lower the hp of the toon that has anti-nade. So ridiculous. I'm takin' a break until the devs get their heads out of their behinds.

    • @Moderate-k5e
      @Moderate-k5e 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ana is a very divible hero. Nerfing her hp. Will spell the end of the character. With the Sombra buffs. Ana needs even more sustain

    • @sergiohenrique3551
      @sergiohenrique3551 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bro ? You are crazy, ana is the most diveable character in game, and moira is the most surviveable support, the tradeoff with more damage is such a good thing

  • @imnottellingyoumyname3050
    @imnottellingyoumyname3050 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    41:19 rare Moira flail kill. Hidden buff? 😂

  • @badcaseofstripes
    @badcaseofstripes 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks like whenever you flank if more than a single person looks at you, you just get instakilled now, a lot less time to react.

  • @humbertoperez2693
    @humbertoperez2693 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yo arx what do u think about moirah no longer be able to faded immediately after a hog hook

  • @TangleHamain
    @TangleHamain 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive seen that so far, Reaper and Roadhog seem to destroy everybody which is.. kinda concerning lol.

  • @brizzleyoh
    @brizzleyoh 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Isn’t illaris ammo more powerful if you only click once also? Like she’s not holding down m1 to fire she’s shooting one bullet at a time mostly. So lowering her ammo literally does nothing.

  • @boynxtdoor8476
    @boynxtdoor8476 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hate when my team completely ignores the pylon! Like help me shoot it down! 😒

  • @Nexusquo
    @Nexusquo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also Juno is absolutely terrible

  • @alonelytuba
    @alonelytuba 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think we can all agree the balance team is a joke

  • @mickeypenker8020
    @mickeypenker8020 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Moira orbs don't damage healing paylon or torrets. This is rediculos

  • @FunniestFern
    @FunniestFern 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Found the Moria mains

  • @9ineee
    @9ineee 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wear playing Moira one of the other enemy supports will swap to Moira

  • @sunekoo
    @sunekoo 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I booted up the game for the first time in ages to try Juno (crap) and the game feels worse than ever for supports. Every match had camping Sombras

  • @prismaticpaul
    @prismaticpaul 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Taking away the best parts of heroes because they are "hypermobile" or "are doing well in higher ranks". They don't even enforce these properly, they just keep poster girls of overwatch unchanged while the rest of the world goes to hell. Echo nerfed because... of what? being able to fly? That's not hypermobile, a competent ashe or illari will kill you in 2 hits now with her insanely large hitboxes, so never fly ever. In fact, never poke either because other heroes do it better. Leaderboards are gonna be populated with tracer widow and ashe now and people are gonna say that "hitscan is weak". Are we playing a different game? Even before this you had tracers and widows everywhere, ashe was still played a fair amount because soj was really bad and people just saw potential in her instead. How does this amount to hitscan being weak? Did you watch pge miss 20 shots in a row on cass and come to that conclusion?
    Then you have moira, less health now, as if the dps passive hasn't made her much weaker already. "Oh but she has fade" yeah and no one else can chase you, surely. "Oh but she doesn't need aim" well why do you think she lacks meaningful burst damage outside of coal+orb? The lists of complaints are endless, and besides, they'll always find new heroes to complain about. What's next, Reaper is "hypermobile" because of E? Gimme a break.

  • @floatycorn2491
    @floatycorn2491 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    niceu

  • @iremindxx9542
    @iremindxx9542 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I dont know why they reset ranks. i won 9/10 placement matches and im ranked into plat 4 wtf now its feels like smurfing i can fight 3v1 with moira and i win easy. Good ranking system

  • @EriQQing
    @EriQQing 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    SO therefore no me not we will watch and do which ever and apologize to no one.

  • @K1ndaAwkwardGayming
    @K1ndaAwkwardGayming 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    She’s always been op😂

  • @ketsuekipen
    @ketsuekipen 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    As soon as I saw Moira in the patch notes, I was super curious about your thoughts, Arx! 🫡
    I was sad because I like to *tank as Moira, but killing the squishier people will be nice.

  • @almuhairi_ue
    @almuhairi_ue 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I mean, it's really ridiculous. I haven't entered the game yet, but by playing Moira for 1000 hours, I can see that her damage has increased, but you can't survive. It's like the game of elder Ring, where you take a necklace that increases your damage, but reduces your health by 25%, so A headshot and a body shot with McCree, sojourn one headshot if it's charged, Kiriko two headshots or a headshot and a body shot, ana it's the usual combo, it melts quickly in front of Bastion, hog will be a hook and a shot, but I think the trap will lead to a result, I mean. There are many examples, but this is one of them. I believe that the best way to play moira now is to remain part of the team +‏ forgot to add that the one shot was returned by Hanzo and Widow to Moira so there will be no chance
    goodbye dps moira 🪦🌹

    • @andirmiga
      @andirmiga 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Didn't a headshot and a bodysuit on mccree already kill you? Always felt like it. Mccree and hanzo were the 2 characters I always avoided like a pest because they killed you so fast and strafing felt useless against these two.