I've always preferred John's grip, having the thumb and index finger press and pinch against each other. This method maximizes the thumb and meaty part of the hand behind the index to really produce immense hand power. This style of gripping is best for people who have strong thumbs and that hand muscle between the index and thumb
Something new i notice with this grip is that it activates your thumb muscle. I use my thumb to press my index finger down to my middle finger, which makes my thumb muscle pop. And we all know John Brzenk has a huge thumb. And i think this is the exact reason why John hand control is so good. He pronate with his thumb and not with his forearm.
The only bad thing I felt about this type of grip is that it is difficult to avoid the hook when the opponent is fossicking. I mean, John Brzenk himself has a hard time escaping from the hook, for example with Krasimir, but his big thumb helps him there. When I place my thumb under my fingers, it is much easier to initiate the pronator and block the hook.
And for me personally much easier to get high hook position but yes i felt my cup more is brezenk grip. I think any way you turn you should use multiple types of grips because changing grips can help in a match. Example Tobias vs Prudnik first had a high grip and then changed to a lower one to prevent the hook.
I mean, John is practically impossible to hook right now at his weight. Zurab, Petrenko etc couldn’t do it so I’d say John’s grip and pronation is doing fine
In my training video with The Lone Star, Tonni Christensen, he teaches me this finger position because it means that you are applying double pressure on a small area. I haven't really tried it recently. I think I will give it another go.
JB grip Easy for side pressure And transition from top roll to press as well as good wrist control, but then again you gotta have strong fingers for it to work perfectly
It's in the thumbnail. He puts his index finger on top of his middle finger. Very simple bud. To be honest I never noticed before. Hope this helps you 👍
Yes, I have noticed that particular method by John... I haven't used it yet. Not sure why, probably because my pointer finger doesn't feel right doing that. Cool video tho!
I use both grips. I mostly finish / pin with toproll I have an above average cup and okay finger strength and have been doing maybe more in the way of alexey voevoda for some time now. It stupid how well it works for you to cup this way and then go for a toproll. So I have and advanced with that style, but my thump is not big. But you can toproll super fast and with more power if you hide your thump and I said my thump is not big but it is only for bone, but my thump muscle fills out a good amount of my hand it obviously makes it harder to cup my hand. Both grips have its advantages for the way my hand is build. I also have a third way of taking a grip if my opponent has long fingers, something I think John also did you to corey west, looks the same as what he does normally, but weirdly works better if you have a short hand, when it goes from the wrist to the knuckles. Its because you force there hand on your arm and open there fingers with you arm more than your hand.
It definitely seems like when I don't cap my thumb in a hook, that it is much easier to maintain the hook if someone tries to toproll out of it. One thing I don't understand is how can you have good cup strength without matching finger strength? haha
@@derbycityarmwrestling7300Its easy your wrist and your fingers are not the same. Like okay does not mean not, not working they are differently strong. I have closed a 2.5 Crush Hand Gripper with both hands. (not the most relevant strength) But there are a guy in my club that has a much stronger finger containment(isometric), but his wrist strength is not on my level. It is really not that hard to understand.
@@jakobstisen6366 That makes sense. I think I'm a strong finger containment kind of guy. I get beat mostly by people who can side pressure through me, but my wrist never bends back. It still seems like finger containment would be a limiting factor for cupping strength, but perhaps it's different.
Iam in my bed watching your vídeo. So i tried to imitate this grip alone right now putting pressure between My thumb and My Index finger and after 20 second i feel a little pain in My thumb under the nail zone lol.
I think the key to the thumb covering grip is that you aren't applying pressure through the fingers. You are sending your thumb down into your hand to constrict your opponent's thumb and all of the pressure should be on the back of your hand going through your opponent's fingers. So, gripping only with the thumb, and rolling out of your opponent's hand. I can understand if you are more of a hook puller and want that strength through the fingers to secure the hook it makes sense to not do that.
@@bobomonkey702 Basically you're not squeezing your opponent with your finger tips. You're taking their thumb and clamping down on it with your thumb and taking it from there.
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I've always preferred John's grip, having the thumb and index finger press and pinch against each other. This method maximizes the thumb and meaty part of the hand behind the index to really produce immense hand power. This style of gripping is best for people who have strong thumbs and that hand muscle between the index and thumb
Flawless comment and observation brother my words exactly.
Something new i notice with this grip is that it activates your thumb muscle. I use my thumb to press my index finger down to my middle finger, which makes my thumb muscle pop. And we all know John Brzenk has a huge thumb. And i think this is the exact reason why John hand control is so good. He pronate with his thumb and not with his forearm.
With this grip, it's a lot easier to post(upwards pressure) and flashpin your opponent.
That's what I experience.
👌very good
The only bad thing I felt about this type of grip is that it is difficult to avoid the hook when the opponent is fossicking. I mean, John Brzenk himself has a hard time escaping from the hook, for example with Krasimir, but his big thumb helps him there. When I place my thumb under my fingers, it is much easier to initiate the pronator and block the hook.
And for me personally much easier to get high hook position but yes i felt my cup more is brezenk grip.
I think any way you turn you should use multiple types of grips because changing grips can help in a match. Example Tobias vs Prudnik first had a high grip and then changed to a lower one to prevent the hook.
I mean, John is practically impossible to hook right now at his weight. Zurab, Petrenko etc couldn’t do it so I’d say John’s grip and pronation is doing fine
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Great analysis! Thank you
You welcome sir.
I feel no strength in this grip style, my finger coverage feels weak and I have no cupping strength. What am I doing wrong?
You said yourself you dont have finger strength. Train shit ton of multispinner.
In my training video with The Lone Star, Tonni Christensen, he teaches me this finger position because it means that you are applying double pressure on a small area. I haven't really tried it recently. I think I will give it another go.
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JB grip
Easy for side pressure
And transition from top roll to press as well as good wrist control, but then again you gotta have strong fingers for it to work perfectly
Absolutely.
Can you post a picture of the grip? I can't really understand it
It's in the thumbnail. He puts his index finger on top of his middle finger. Very simple bud. To be honest I never noticed before. Hope this helps you 👍
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Yes, I have noticed that particular method by John... I haven't used it yet. Not sure why, probably because my pointer finger doesn't feel right doing that. Cool video tho!
Thanks Marc.
I use both grips. I mostly finish / pin with toproll
I have an above average cup and okay finger strength and have been doing maybe more in the way of alexey voevoda for some time now.
It stupid how well it works for you to cup this way and then go for a toproll.
So I have and advanced with that style, but my thump is not big.
But you can toproll super fast and with more power if you hide your thump and I said my thump is not big but it is only for bone, but my thump muscle fills out a good amount of my hand it obviously makes it harder to cup my hand.
Both grips have its advantages for the way my hand is build.
I also have a third way of taking a grip if my opponent has long fingers, something I think John also did you to corey west, looks the same as what he does normally, but weirdly works better if you have a short hand, when it goes from the wrist to the knuckles. Its because you force there hand on your arm and open there fingers with you arm more than your hand.
It definitely seems like when I don't cap my thumb in a hook, that it is much easier to maintain the hook if someone tries to toproll out of it. One thing I don't understand is how can you have good cup strength without matching finger strength? haha
@@derbycityarmwrestling7300Its easy your wrist and your fingers are not the same.
Like okay does not mean not, not working they are differently strong.
I have closed a 2.5 Crush Hand Gripper with both hands. (not the most relevant strength)
But there are a guy in my club that has a much stronger finger containment(isometric), but his wrist strength is not on my level.
It is really not that hard to understand.
@@derbycityarmwrestling7300 Or was your commend EXPOSED bad cup?? If so lol.
@@jakobstisen6366 That makes sense. I think I'm a strong finger containment kind of guy. I get beat mostly by people who can side pressure through me, but my wrist never bends back. It still seems like finger containment would be a limiting factor for cupping strength, but perhaps it's different.
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Iam in my bed watching your vídeo.
So i tried to imitate this grip alone right now putting pressure between My thumb and My Index finger and after 20 second i feel a little pain in My thumb under the nail zone lol.
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Exactly i always thought why would people armwrestle covering thumb it just hurts your thumb joint and u cant apply force
For me very stupid way to grip.
I think the key to the thumb covering grip is that you aren't applying pressure through the fingers. You are sending your thumb down into your hand to constrict your opponent's thumb and all of the pressure should be on the back of your hand going through your opponent's fingers. So, gripping only with the thumb, and rolling out of your opponent's hand. I can understand if you are more of a hook puller and want that strength through the fingers to secure the hook it makes sense to not do that.
@@derbycityarmwrestling7300 what do you mean by that. I’m trying to comprehend what you said if you could just explain more I’d appreciate it.
@@bobomonkey702 Basically you're not squeezing your opponent with your finger tips. You're taking their thumb and clamping down on it with your thumb and taking it from there.
@@derbycityarmwrestling7300 Ok got it. Thanks buddy