HOW TO: SLEEPER BUILD 101

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  • GO from AMEN-14 LOM here! Here’s a video to help describe what a sleeper build is and how to do it! I’ll do my best to answer questions in the comments! Thanks for watching and I hope that you enjoy my video! Stay tuned for more content! #legendofmushroom
    Discord server: / discord
    Brief overview:
    Bishop/Darklord: ATK, Skill DMG, Skill crit
    Holy Guide/Prophet: Skill DMG, ATK, Stun, AS
    Arrowgod/Plume Mon.: Combo, Combo DMG, ATK, AS
    Shadow/Sacred Hunter: Crit, ATK, AS, Crit DMG, Combo
    Swordmaster/Martial: Counter, Counter DMG, DEF, HP, PAL DMG
    Warmonger/Warbringer: Counter, Counter DMG, ATK, Crit, Crit DMG

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  • @BobLayton-ul9gz
    @BobLayton-ul9gz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you for clarifying alot of information! All ready started seeing results in my archer! Awesome vid! :D

  • @sylasschulte2495
    @sylasschulte2495 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Randomly stumbled across your vid! Downloaded the game and it is so addicting haha!

  • @Maxgrindset
    @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Any feedback or suggestions on my videos is greatly appreciated! Just kicking this channel off so thanks to those who help me make every video better than the last 🎉 Please don’t forget to like the video and subscribe to help my channel and see my future content!

    • @BobLayton-ul9gz
      @BobLayton-ul9gz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Great first vid keep it up !!

    • @JesseSmoth
      @JesseSmoth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Straight 🔥!! 🎉

    • @jesseschulte9319
      @jesseschulte9319 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      🎉🎉🎉🎉 Congrats on first vid Bro

    • @junglejaja182
      @junglejaja182 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      good explaination and theory

  • @KOOCHi808
    @KOOCHi808 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Thanks for the video 🙏🏻 I think it's not necessary to repeat informations in the video because you could easily go back, but I think it would be more helpful if you could write the stuff somewhere in the comments or description 🥲🙏🏻 like what to focus on and stuff ☺️
    Like:
    "Crit goes with every class
    Dark Lord: Skill DMG, Attack
    Prophet: Stun, [...]"

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hey you’re welcome! Thanks to you as well for the feedback and watching the video. I’ll take it into consideration with my future content 😁 And I will extend the description soon as well. Thanks again!

  • @jesseschulte9319
    @jesseschulte9319 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Man I am gonna switch back to Warbringer! Awesome explanation! It's great to gain in-depth knowledge from one of the greats on the server!
    Going to be coming back to this vid often to optimize my build! Keep making more. Vids we need this!!

  • @JesseSmoth
    @JesseSmoth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    YOOOO this is 🔥 Thank you Max Grindset / GO! Hope you keep going bro

    • @jesseschulte9319
      @jesseschulte9319 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yup this bro gonna go far with content like this

    • @sylasschulte2495
      @sylasschulte2495 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This is his first vid? Keep it going! Need you to help a noob like me out!

  • @Maxgrindset
    @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I understand that I may have made a mistake regarding the Basic attack reflect passive on the Warmonger. We live and learn friends. I have still undergone testing and the chicken hood pal is still a great choice for the warmonger. I lose a considerable amount of burst dmg when I drop it. But it does not add to your basic attack reflection passive like I once thought when I made this video - at least to my present knowledge. Just want to clear this up for you guys so I’m not perhaps misleading you. Thanks for watching guys ! 😁

    • @justleanonme77
      @justleanonme77 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So best way to increase basic attack reflect is straight up attack/ global attack?

  • @henriquezdunek6016
    @henriquezdunek6016 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video, it helped a lot, but I wanted to know about the relics too. I'm using the warbringer

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Relics ; counter mask, thunder kite, magic box, stone book or flame book for PvP, cage or time statue, clone necklace

    • @henriquezdunek6016
      @henriquezdunek6016 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      thanks @@Maxgrindset

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@henriquezdunek6016 any time! Thanks for watching my videos !

  • @splaterpus23
    @splaterpus23 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Would love a rundown of best to worst classes. I have seen archer is best 100-120 but you seem to think it's warrior

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hello! Thanks for watching my video. My opinion is that archer is best for story push with combo, where warrior excels in PvP content. Since PvP rewards are better than late story, I think warrior is more useful generally at least in my opinion. Thanks again!

  • @rathisdm8969
    @rathisdm8969 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can you please do a more in-depth guide on your build ie statue, stats, relics and such. Cause right now I’m lvl 111 power 13549.6k, and I get smashed but people way lower than me. I’ve been focusing counter, Crit, and atk. Plus I don’t have the two pink pets you have I only got the pink dragon.

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hi , sure I can do that for you! Thanks for the suggestion and thanks again for watching my videos! Stay tuned for your suggestion!

    • @minilargoku
      @minilargoku 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'd like tl see the same! I switched to berserker because of you and i've been loving it, wish You'd upload your build for different stages

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@minilargoku sure I will do this very soon! Please Subscribe so you can see it as soon as it releases you can get the information you want asap! Thanks for watching my videos!

  • @BobLayton-ul9gz
    @BobLayton-ul9gz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Also wondered why I was beinf spanked by warbringers LMAO!

  • @justleanonme77
    @justleanonme77 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I finally get the 4th passive of serker xD, I thought it was reflect 80% damage from basic attack when hit by basic attack xD, so it actually reflects 80% of your basic attack when hit lol

  • @jmestre6917
    @jmestre6917 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Im on 16M power rn with an archer best build so far , i had try all of them , im lvl 116 rank 1 on my server

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Archer will fall off once awakening comes out! But right now it’s the best class generally for both pve and PvP! Thanks for watching my video!

    • @kaffuccino2499
      @kaffuccino2499 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Maxgrindset Why will archer class fall of after awakening releas? Can you elaborate more?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kaffuccino2499it’s speculation right now - but sword evolve is going to cause a lot of problems for archer in the future. As axe warrior there’s two archers (3m+ power on me) that can beat me on my server. With counter and tons of defensive passives and sustain it’s unlikely that archer will be able to handle a martial matchup (sustain damage class vs sustain tank class) Archer will still perform well into mage matchup! I’ll explain this more in a video coming soon! Thanks for watching !

  • @GB-dc9cu
    @GB-dc9cu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Other alternative PAL like red and orange for PVP and PVE :) thank you for this video.

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi, thanks for watching! Please check my newest Progress video to see my current build! But deer is always a good pal for warrior, so is toothpaste (ultra clean fighter) and Mecha dragon. Keep your eyes on the electric pup and hipster tortoise pink pals! Thanks again!

  • @1derky
    @1derky 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I wonder do u recommend warbringer?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I would recommend Darklord for mage, Warbringer for warrior, and Arrowgod for archer at this point in the game.

    • @s33k3r8
      @s33k3r8 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Maxgrindset mind explaining why Darklord over Prophet for mage?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@s33k3r8sure I can do that. Darklord right now is just easier to build - and it’s not lacking some main components of the build that Prophet is. For example, the cloud mount is OP on Darklord - The OP mount for Prophet is likely to be Magic Carpet, that hasn’t been introduced to the game yet. When more CD reduction is introduced to the game, prophet will likely perform better than Darklord in PvP in some cases. I hope this helps and thanks for watching my video!

  • @junglejaja182
    @junglejaja182 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    axe war hard counter archers though counter procs pop off

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You’re right! I did factor that into the video - there is just so many archers in the game right now so fighting any other class in itself is quite rare! Thanks for watching my video!

  • @Flacowashere
    @Flacowashere 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Do you have a skill and pet setup that people can use

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes I do! It’s listed in the comments but I’ll share it here again!
      Skills: clone strike, disarm, easy breezy, smoke bomb, natures renewal
      Pals: electric pup, hipster tortoise, toothpaste, chicken hood, Angel deer for the video!

  • @gabrielantonioamisola3225
    @gabrielantonioamisola3225 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video and guide! I'm a warrior player as well but just starting out. This helped me a lot fine tuning my build. My biggest question is how did you manage to regen continuously while battling GreenMachine 8:06

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hello, thanks for watching my videos ! Natures renewal skill + the electric pup pal!

    • @gabrielantonioamisola3225
      @gabrielantonioamisola3225 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Maxgrindset Ohhh got it! Really need to get that pup pal. Thanks for the tip! :) Been having a hard time with crossbows recently... for Statue, do you recommend all counter damage?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gabrielantonioamisola3225 I’d recommend for prayer statue : 2x counter damage, 1x atk, 1x defensive pray like hp, def, and 1x crit damage and go for crit chance and counter on gear ! Thanks again for watching !

    • @gabrielantonioamisola3225
      @gabrielantonioamisola3225 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset awesome tips! Thanks a bunch!

  • @0_unk_0
    @0_unk_0 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice video. So strong build 😲
    What u think about prayer stats: 3x counterattack and 2x crit damage?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks! I would sub out for 3x counter, 1x crit and 1x global attack at least. You could also do 2x counter, 1x crit dmg, 2x global attack for great results aswell. I personally like to add global def or global hp in my prayer statue to help with burst dmg in PvP. Thanks for watching my video!

    • @0_unk_0
      @0_unk_0 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh, I need test that tips and see whats happens. Thx thx
      But what is "burst damage"? 🤔

    • @GB-dc9cu
      @GB-dc9cu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset so 1 global def, 1 global hp, 1 crit dmg, 1 counter, 1 global attack? is this good? how about then PAL and skill set for PVP

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GB-dc9cu I would do 1 defensive stat , 2 counter, 1 atk, 1 crit damage! Thanks for watching !

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@0_unk_0 burst damage is A LOT of damage in short time but then you have to wait to do another set of damage again - where as sustain is a continuous stream of more reliable damage and less reliant on crit for example. Thanks for watching my videos !

  • @OnTimeBe
    @OnTimeBe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    what set-up skill u use for pvp

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Skills: Clone strike , disarm, easy breezy, smoke bomb, natures renewal / shield
      Pals: shown in video! Electric pup, hipster tortoise, chicken hood, toothpaste, Angel deer.
      Thanks for watching my video!

  • @latifahsayang332
    @latifahsayang332 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hai sir..where to get ultra clean fighter?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hi friend, you will receive the toothpaste Ultra Clean Fighter pal from pal draws! Thanks for watching my videos!

    • @latifahsayang332
      @latifahsayang332 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I see..i think at my server not coming again..that why i can't get it

    • @latifahsayang332
      @latifahsayang332 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Can you show all att..relix and soul?..i want to compare with my char

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@latifahsayang332 are you on SEA server? I’ve noticed some pals and pal abilities don’t directly translate between both games. Please contact me on discord @Maxgrindset so I can provide you screenshots. Thanks for watching my videos !

  • @andersonarley2551
    @andersonarley2551 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can show all u build? Relic and allá?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi, thanks for watching! Relics , prayer statue, etc are in the comments and I will put them in description for you. Thanks again!

  • @mohammadaizarusman3547
    @mohammadaizarusman3547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can u tell me. Prayer, skills and pals for I dont have red pals and skills yet? And what stats im focusing counter and what else? So main will be counter?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Counter, counter dmg, global atk are the most important for warrior. Crit on gear with some crit dmg is very good too and crit res is nice to help with mage in PvP. If you don’t have any red or pink pals or skills use take it slow, easy breezy, natures renewal and shield shroom. Use toothpaste, chicken, deer, cactus, and hydro sprite. Thanks for watching my videos!

    • @mohammadaizarusman3547
      @mohammadaizarusman3547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset love the fast interaction with your viewers. Nice!

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mohammadaizarusman3547 thanks man much love! Thanks again for supporting my channel!

    • @mohammadaizarusman3547
      @mohammadaizarusman3547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset last thing for the relics which ones? And yes i dont have those pals or skills i mean the pink and reds. So going with what you said here about skills and pals

    • @mohammadaizarusman3547
      @mohammadaizarusman3547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset i dont seem to understand what you mean toothpaste?

  • @ThanCL
    @ThanCL 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Mind sharing relic, statue and stats?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sent on Discord! Thanks a lot for watching & commenting on the video!

    • @GB-dc9cu
      @GB-dc9cu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Maxgrindset What is your discord i would love to check that sharing tips. Thanks

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GB-dc9cu hi thanks for watching ! Here’s an invite to my discord server ! discord.gg/KMMse2Vdhy

  • @deadlegend2306
    @deadlegend2306 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How does it do on boss damage fights?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I do well for a warrior in PvE content - but you should run archer or mage if you want to make your life easier. I’m currently Void 8 2-7 and the nature of counter makes bossing more difficult than combo for example. Thanks for taking the time to watch my video!

  • @hrld2542
    @hrld2542 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    anything for the mages? i want to maximize its passive.

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I will have something for mages coming fairly soon! Thanks for watching my video!

  • @anjomiralles2380
    @anjomiralles2380 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro max what's the ideal crit res to at least counter crit dmg? Can you make a detailed build for axe warrior? Thank you

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, thanks for watching! I sure can - stay tuned and subscribe so you can see it as soon as it comes out! Thanks again!

  • @cagrsahin6825
    @cagrsahin6825 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello, I am level 80 and I play healer. Which class do you recommend for my level and which class do you recommend at level 100? NİCE VİDEO TY

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I would swap to either archer or warrior at level 100 personally. Particularly Arrowgod or Axe warrior in my opinion. Prophet requires peculiar stats that aren’t all available at the moment and Darklord requires a few pink skills to do real damage.

  • @3zmoneyto15
    @3zmoneyto15 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Give info about other stats like global def,global atk, what used and there deffirence..

  • @ameerjie01
    @ameerjie01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you do a guide from early to mid and late game..with pals,statues,skills,souls in discord?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, thanks for watching my videos! Sure I can - are you in the discord now ? Just @ me and I will take care of it!

    • @ameerjie01
      @ameerjie01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Maxgrindset yes i am in your Dc

  • @user-sq7bz1zi5x
    @user-sq7bz1zi5x 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is the good stats priority in gears sir. Like counterstrike, crit etc

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi, thanks for watching my video! For warrior you want counterstrike and crit rate!

    • @user-sq7bz1zi5x
      @user-sq7bz1zi5x 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks bro. In glory shop at cross server arena. What is my priority to buy there bro

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@user-sq7bz1zi5x awakening crystal and red soul selector too. Thanks again for watching!

    • @mohammadaizarusman3547
      @mohammadaizarusman3547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I picked the pink skill , i saw ur vid that shows the pink skill and bought it. But i guess the right choice shouldve been the red soul selector​@@Maxgrindset

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mohammadaizarusman3547 uh oh ! That’s okay! We live and learn! Thanks for watching my videos!

  • @anjomiralles2380
    @anjomiralles2380 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you show your detailed build sir and stats for axe warrior? Thanks!

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi thanks for watching! Sure I can do that - let me take care of that for you in my next video! Stay tuned!

  • @josegemelmedrano3044
    @josegemelmedrano3044 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro, what will be the most optimal counterstrike percentage?

  • @emmysantana1532
    @emmysantana1532 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's the sweet spot for crit rate, for axe warrior?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, thanks for watching my videos! I’d say around 35% is fairly reliable! Anything above 50% is pretty hard to get or not worth the sacrifice! Thanks again!

  • @darkr70
    @darkr70 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    But do you kill mages?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hi thanks for watching my video! Yes I do! There’s only one mage on my server that gets me and it’s not 100% in his favor. I’d build some crit res for mages ! Thanks again!

    • @darkr70
      @darkr70 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Maxgrindset because i feel like berserk excel vs mutiple attacks from archers, so he procs more counters, while mages hit hard on abilities not procing many counters

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@darkr70 that’s exactly right friend! Mages do really great against warriors. Will be making a video on this soon in great detail! Stay tuned - and thanks again for watching my video!

  • @nari7849
    @nari7849 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Do you have discord? I am needing bit more information.

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hi, thanks for watching my videos! My discord is the same as my YT channel name without the space : Maxgrindset

    • @nari7849
      @nari7849 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Maxgrindset I added you im Azrial

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nari7849 great one moment !

  • @JrBalote
    @JrBalote 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what is you gearstats?

  • @3zmoneyto15
    @3zmoneyto15 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crit rate also.effecr counter?

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, thanks for watching ! Yes - crit rate effects counter as well.

    • @3zmoneyto15
      @3zmoneyto15 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset i started playing warrior at lvl 50...do u jave guide for new player..not spender

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@3zmoneyto15 focus counter + crit on gear but only when you get to pink gear - counter damage , hp, and global atk on prayer statue - use counter mask magic box and thunder kite relics - and anything else you need please join discord link so you can share screenshots and I can help you directly. thanks again!

    • @3zmoneyto15
      @3zmoneyto15 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset share ur discord

    • @3zmoneyto15
      @3zmoneyto15 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Maxgrindset my prayer statue is.global counter dmg tier C build

  • @valiantcolumnar1992
    @valiantcolumnar1992 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It should be a mushrom, how yours not? 😂😂😂

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Level 100 lets you become a human! Thanks for watching my videos!

    • @valiantcolumnar1992
      @valiantcolumnar1992 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Maxgrindset oi oi oi, that's cool :)

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@valiantcolumnar1992 sure is !!! Put in the grind and become a real boy !!! Thanks again for watching !

  • @ICheat_ILie_ISteal
    @ICheat_ILie_ISteal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lmao what he forgot to tell you is that... Most players will have pve gears on, most players hav2 their l pvp gear in preset. So When you practice against players... It doesnt use the preset pvp set lol
    One reason why you beat them 3 in a roll thn fight them in area forreal and lose. Lol

    • @Maxgrindset
      @Maxgrindset  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey thanks for watching! At the time of this video I did beat all these players in arena and held a high rank in our server arena! All of them have since this video refined their builds since they hated being on YT. Thanks again!