I've heard the Iraqi forces defending Baghdad had no coordination since the regime feared radio communication would lead to an uprising. Know for sure mobile phones were banned in Saddam era Iraq, mind boggling when you consider the level of technology they were facing
There were raidos used just for fighting they were just forbidden to talk or meet officers and only focus on combat and military terms of communication to prevent coups
By the time the Americans had advanced towards Baghdad all unit command and communications centers had already been hit and destroyed by U.S. airpower.
@@zarp1854 Very good point, also impressing how the Republican guard was infact able to halt the invading advance on a few number of occasions. The interview with General al Hamdani from RT gives a very interesting insight
@@colinnorthridge7318 Somewhat true, but not a 100%. The armored and mechanized divisions 'Medina' and 'Nebuchadnezzer' did put up a fight, especially in the Karbala Gap. Also SRG and Fedayeen would have been motivated due to their position in the regime
What's interesting is that even though Tommy is kinda right when he said the Europeans were "blowing" the US, a few european countries actually refused to take part in the invasion of Irak, that was seen as an illegitimate conflict, like France and Germany. I know that for the case of France it led American medias to portray them as cowards and overall ridicule them, diplomatic relations also took a hit from that.
Yup. I always thought that Europe and the US were kind of similar, but there are HUGE, HUGE differences in mentality. The American population would think very differntly of war and militarism if they had been destroyed like Europe was destroyed in WW2. You can't just go anywhere you want and bomb shit without being held responsible for war crimes and then expect the world to love you. As a European, I think any political block of the economic strength of the United States or Europe as a whole is powerfol enough to solve problems on a diplomatic and economic scale only.
@@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862 well maga in america is trying to get america back from 30+ years of uni party rule under dems and rinos...maga is trying to get control of the justice system so we can finally go after all the traitors here for all of that... since bush sr...its been uni party rule...jfk jr being killed was by them...his dad jfk was killed by cia who was led by bush sr at the time...jfk wanted to go after the secret societies like skull and bones bush sr was apart of and go after the cia and fbi and disband them...then way later 911 was an inside job...then iraq invasion which nobody wanted and why we all hated bush for it and why obama got in cuz he kept saying hed end the wars and bring troops home but then he doesnt and starts 7 new wars and why everyone hates him now cuz he droned hospitals and funerals then 08 recession to bail banks out and transfer trillions to them.. all these people are what we call the deep state or the swamp...and maga is after that and wanted it to be held accountable...we want them all to hang for treason and mass genocide... one day hopefully they will be...but only if maga takes over will there ever be a chance of that because if uni party stays in power expect war to go on forever...
US had many just reasons to finish what was started in GW1... Iraq was is complex while there were few unjust reasons to invade in GW1/2 the just reasons far outweighed the unjust ones... The US doesn't need their help but since our nation funds and provides the security for all of nato, weak nations should offer to help; yes state your opinions but help nonetheless
since tommy always questions it heres a bit I did for a school Question about it "They both believe in islamic law with some different applications for it. Their main difference is who should succeeded the prophet Muhammad. Sunni’s are spread from Morocco to Indonesia. While Shia’s have stayed mostly in persia and the middle east. 85-90 percent of muslims are sunni, while 10-15 percent are shia. Sunnis have less elaborate religious hierarchy then shia’ do, shia’s given human beings the exalted status of prophets in the Quran (pretty much saying that everyone is not created equal to people like prophets), while sunni’s do not." so pretty much the same
12:00 The helmets are blue for that exact reason: TO BE SEEN. The UN is widly regarded as a peace keeping force. Shooting at it is equivalent to declaring war to every UN member state. That is why it is so obvious so people think twice before declaring war on the entire world. The status of the UN is immediatly noticeable through that for civilians too. Their protection comes through the organisation that is represented by the blue helmets aka the UN.
The UN is useless. Ask africa. As long as they dont shoot at the blue helmets, they can kill and rape whoever they want while UN just watch as they cant engage if not shot at.
UN peacekeepers get shot at and killed all the time. Because everyone knows that the UN is largely toothless and most of the peacekeepers come from second or third world countries with zero ability to retaliate against anybody.
@@LSgaming201 agreed on the first half but heavily disagree on the last part. Many Dutch and German forces are in the UN peace keeping force. I don't enjoy the implication of third world countries not being able to fight. It's simply forbidden by the UN security Council. It was a Dutch general standing by the screbenicza massacre not a third world country one.
In response to the guy at 17:20, it really depends on the school you go to. Every school I went to growing up immediately after 9/11 has either been neutral or outright anti-American in regards to history. Same goes for all my friends, and now in college even more so. The education system broadly is certainly not friendly towards America. I think it is highly dependent on specific schools or regions.
i read a article sometime ago that did a study to see where the schools politics align. i forget the acual number but it was like 93% were liberal alligned schools teaching primarily liberal topics, to 5% non political schools, and 2% conservative schools teaching primarily respect the country and the standard carriculum. i went to one of the 93%
17:13 Depending on what school you went to and state you were in, the curriculum changes. Being born in ‘02 we weren’t taught patriotism or nationalism in my school or district, and this is coming from someone who lives in Ohio. In particular we talked about 9/11 once a year until high school then they just ignored it. After 2016 it felt like we were only taught about our “horrible, warmongering, and full of flaw” past. Nowadays everyone just seems overly biased and ignorant, It’s sad to see.
@@seanassociateproductions1691 Got out in 2020 Some of my HS teachers were very subjective when it came to US history and wouldn’t shy away from letting the students make their own decisions on the actions of the United States. But I seemed to be lucky since most of my friends got the… other… teachers. We do have flaws in this country, but we sure as hell are better than some of the other countries that claim to be “superior”
@@seanassociateproductions1691it was like that for me when I was in high school too. The most “patriotic” education I ever got in HS was when we talked about the revolutionary war, civil war, and War with Japan, and one of those three is still a gray area considering how many laws were broken and how much the constitution was violated to try and justify it (civil war)
The guy that donated about how the US teaches hardcore nationalism and pro American imperialism is not true, at least where I live. Here my teachers condemned the crimes the US has committed, from The trail of Tears, to the Spanish American war and even to middle eastern intervention.
I think it depends on the school honestly. I don't think what that donation said was true but there's a grey area in-between with some merit to think about
You can do both. Symbolically condemning past mistakes and bad policy and then turning around and preaching American exceptionalism has been the right wing’s modus operandi for decades...
7:17 I think I know what he meant, but the way he said it sounds like a typical historical myth that needs to die. It's so easy to try and pick on the USA and say stuff like "war was for oil". Unfortunately, the world is a bit more complicated than that. The CIA did not "create" Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam, and other major Arab Freedom Fighters/Volunteers from the Soviet-Afghan War, did. The CIA didn't even create the Mujahideen either. Also, the Mujahideen and the Arab Volunteers aren't necessarily the same people. Plus, Osama Bin Laden never got any direct funding from the United States (he was already rich and used a lot of his own wealth to help out). Although, of course there is a pretty clearly accepted that he got indirect aid, and about 35,000 Afghan Volunteers got training from Pakistan (who was funded/resourced by CIA, China, and the UK, not just the United States). Also, other major players involved in Al Qaeda, such as Haqqani, did in fact get direct cash payments from the USA. So, no the USA didn't create Al Qaeda, but Bin Laden and the boiz did use the resources/funding from: himself, USA, Pakistan, UK, and China. If you are going to say something like that, just add in these other countries as well and not forget their involvement in Operation Cyclone.
Lots of historical myths from people like Europeans, who don’t generally look at US history and carry a general disdain for us. The war was about creating a New Democratic “ally” state. Thus, giving us a new Military base in the region and promoting pro US ideals. That was a bit of a failure. But as fucked up as it sounds I’m glad we went in to both Iraq and Afghanistan. It not only kept our Military sharp and constantly driving innovation and improvements just in time for the second Cold War to begin (2022-______) It also was able to give places like Afghan a bit more western education. I actually know a few people from Afghanistan since we used to play games online a lot. That would not have been possible without the US coming in. The most unfortunate part was that we didn’t do a better job of evacuating those people. Both of my friends have left Afghanistan and are in Italy and Germany respectively. But a lot of others have still trapped :(
@@PeterMuskrat6968 ''The war was about creating a New Democratic “ally” state.'' a narrative that the bush administration only used once the WMD falsehood got publicly revealed...
i respect the way youre trying to disprove some things as ''myths'', correctly so. but the way way you downplay the CIA's involvement in 'creating' the mujahideen is too hard to ignore. The CIA played a significant role in providing weapons, training, and funding to the mujahideen through channels like the pakistani intelligence agency, and the ISI. i would be willing to make the claim that without these fundings the mujahideen would not even remotely come close to the amount of relevance and power they gained over the course of those years. so no, in this case i wouldnt really say that ''adding in the other countries'' is a neccesary thing as it would add fake nuance to something that is most definitely revolved around one big central player which is the CIA.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 ''The war was about creating a New Democratic “ally” state.'' that is a narrative that the bush administration only started using AFTER their whole ''weapons of mass destruction'' falsehood got discovered.
Not at all no, indeed the British laid to groundwork for many of the issues we see in the middle east nowadays with the Sykes-Picot agreement. The soviet invasion of afghanistan also allowed Al qaeda to form, though only because the US was still playing cold war proxy war and even then they werent seen as bad people (the mujahadeen I mean) as Bin Laden was respected as a freedom fighter long before he was vilified, rightfully so, as a terrorist. These two events would never have led to what we have today on their own. The US choosing to get involved for dubious reasons and consistently playing their cards without regard for the people and customs and religion and culture of the lands they invade/occupy is the major factor here. It is the easy to point at factor that someone can pull examples for easily (as seen by this video tbh) such as how they didnt find any WMDs,didnt care much for civilian casualties, reinstituted hated officials and did little to appear as liberators despite labelling themselves it. Lets say Sykes-Picot was the cut, Soviet Afghanistan was the first signs of infection (caused by the US, not the USSR - its an Islamist problem we have in the middle east, not a socialist one) and the US involvement in the middle east from the Gulf war to now ongoing actions are the infection spreading and becoming serious.
@@TheCornFarmer1989 No the Soviet Invasion as the infection for Afghanistan, they literally helped overthrew a stable monarchy for a communist regime and then civil war broke out and the Soviets just literally massacres anyone who is a suspected terrorist. You thought the US was bad? Nah lemme show you how the Russians/Soviets did it by just destroying communities to dust. US could’ve done it too as well but thank god they didn’t.
The people in this chat honestly make me question human intelligence if they honestly think the US is anywhere near the worst country. War crimes are common on literally every side.
But at the same time your own country has invaded, violated, put dictators in neutral nations even destroying entire nations for their natural resources like always in recent history, you country is clearly imperialistic and has invaded every country in history and so on, your goverment is evil and no one in earth is denying it.
Yeah pretty much While Europe can sit on its ass and preach Pacifism when the shit hits the fan they’ll all run back to Uncle Sam for protection. Pacifism is a fool’s errand, and it only makes you weak. Not supporting unjust and wasteful wars is not pacifism, but a necessity for any Martial society to not end up like Rome.
Well that is how it should be but it isn't because politics.. and now there is another one.. Shia-Sunni-Wahabism.. except wahabism is somehow it's own thing
@Sierox Although the conflict is already solved in that case. Most Christian people here in the US don't even know the differences between the different sects at all and think they are the exact same, or don't care at all, or think they know while they actually have no idea. You never see inter-Christian violence nowadays like you do with inter-Islam violence. Historically it was absolutely the case, but that is implying that the Islamic world is a few hundred years behind the western world socially.
@@cactuskhan4649 because no religious reformation happened plus the arabs came to conclusion that whatever is out there is already in quran so no age of scientific advancement/ enlightenment
I also remember in his Geography Now - Iran video he said that its dangerous to go to Morocco as a white guy.... Morocco is the most visited country in Africa.
Hitler and the things he did should and usually are ingrained into a kids mind, since teaching them the worst part of history will certainly prevent them from ever wanting to be a dictator
Exactly, "critical race theory" Is almost being taught at our schools, that idiot doesn't understand the difference between patriotism and Nationalism because has like a 14 yr old kid who thinks he knows everything about the U.S government
After ww2 japan didn't pay for their war crimes and played the victim. The first animes helped to make japan appear the victim. The UN clearly wanted to make america create their own version of anime.
A large reason for large civilian deaths compared to military deaths is quite simple, while soldiers come, fight and go home the civilians have to live in the war torn area and you also have to remember the us bombed stuff the Iraq military could use from stuff like bunkers to power and water stations and after the war with no central government left to make repairs it forced the USA to stay and hand out food and water.
Vast majority of civilians died from iraqi infighting not from US direct or indirect attack... many civilians too shelter in Iraqi military building unknownst to US forces at the time; civilians were warned to leave conflict areas but many refused... Iraqi informants quite often gave false intel reports just for money or to solve personal or religious grudges... very common scene was Iraqis blowing up mass crowds of ppl yet ignorant ppl blame the 🇺🇸... another very common scene is Iraqi insurgents dressed in civilian closes getting killed then after the battle Iraqis run in and take the weapons then cry to the media saying 🇺🇸 just murder masses of civilians and ignorant ppl just accept this blatant propaganda...
People who think the Iraq war was "Illegal" don't know anything about the first Iraq war (the Persian Gulf war) or how it ended. The Persian Gulf war was fully supported by the world. The whole of the UN security council supported what Saddam did there was wrong. That was then ended with United Nations Security Council Resolution 687. That resolution agreed to a peace settlement kicking Saddam out of Kuwait as well as requiring Saddam to allow international inspectors to visit his country to make sure he had gotten rid of his WMDs, in this case chemical weapons which do count as WMDs also, not just nukes. It was know Saddam had chemical weapons and was using them on his people after the war ended to retain power but that eventually stopped after he gained power. But in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion he started to refuse international inspectors into his country anymore. That alone per the UN resolution 687 was permission for all the forces that joined in, in stopping Saddam in 1991 to stop him again (fully this time). The additional things of Saddam planning to get nukes, restart his chemical weapon production and harboring terrorist organizations were all extra modification that in the end didn't matter. That is why the Iraq war of 2003 never went before the UN security council again because it was already fully justified via the security council resolution 687. It is really very simple stuff. But to also be fair it was expected that the allied forces would find production of nuclear weapons in Iraq and a larger link to terrorist organization (there was only minimal links). In addition to that everyone in the world knows that Saddam was a bad guy and that he 100% did use chemical weapons against his own population. During the invasion a chemical weapon production plant in Sargat Iraq was sized in "Operation Viking Hammer" (it was not in operation at the time it was captured) and another was chemical weapons plant was bombed after a SAS team could not secure it do to the heavy defense there. So that one could have still been producing chemical weapons based on the very heavy defense Saddam dedicated to it. And the bottom-line is everyone in the world knew Saddam had chemical weapons prior to 2003. We had seen him use them on his population for years to that point. What he did with them we can never be sure until further information is declassified by the US military. The expectation is they were delivered to Syria or destroyed. The Syria explanation makes the most sense based on what happened there in the following years. So saying the Iraq war was illegal is just falsely not correct. You can make the claim it was unjustified or not smart which I may agree with. But then you need to put your mind into that of a American living in the 2001-2003 period after having just suffered the biggest terrorist attack in human history with the goal of never letting that happen again. I don't think any US President ever would not have seen the perpetual worst dictator in the world, Saddam Hussain as not a potential threat to the safety of American citizens. In addition to all of this, why would Saddam just not agree to allowing the UN inspectors that he previously agreed to allowing in come in if he h ad nothing to hide? It made no sense which further fed the believe that he did have WMD's still (again WMD's are not just nukes but chemical weapons as well). Further when the invasion was imminent he was still given a chance to leave with billions of dollars and he still refused to accept that deal. He could have spent the rest of his life in luxury but chose not to.
this entire argument just collapses instantly cause of the simple fact that saddam DID NOT refuse weapon inspectors into iraq. literally one of the main reasons why germany and france refused to join the iraq war, was cause they believed the weapon inspectors who were present in iraq at that time should be given more time? like its just a false claim to say he refused to let weapon inspectors in. th-cam.com/video/ZTpSZnNtCnk/w-d-xo.html
As an american, tommy saying that you need to show people milk, denimbjeans, and butter, thatbhitbhard. Forget how much we take life for granted, I knew about it and thought about it, but in the sense of 'they'd want a car, or a house' not just butter, or denim jeans, or milk
You should read about the time Boris Yeltsin visited an American grocery store and was amazed at the selections. I believe he went to Houston and went into a store after visiting the Johnson Space Center, and Boris was amazed and talked about how if his people seen the American grocery stores they would revolt. Really mind-boggling the affects of simple things really.
@@Gray777333 It's not really simple things, capitalism has produced far more variety and quality AND quantity for all sorts of goods. We could have Thanos snap away 9/10 foodstuffs in our stores and in our homes and we'd still have more than enough to survive. People point out the unhealthy food, but did you notice how fast all sorts of health bars, drinks, meal prep, etc... came out after people started to become health conscious? It's miraculous what we are capable of nowadays. 200 years ago almost everyone was a farmer. Now, most people don't even know a farmer, at least not in the US.
I can't make it through the video with this idiot so I'm going to assume what you quote is accurate. They don't need to be shown milk and butter because they already have it and you can't ship it before it spoils, dumbass, and if they wanted denim jeans they could have gotten them in the middle east, they don't wear them because they live in a climate that isn't comfortable wearing Jeans in. And giving cars wouldn't solve anything because Iraq was already a heavy traffic area to the point that if everyone had a car then nobody would get ANYWHERE. This dude is the kind of moron who any level of international relations freshman could run circles around, and any junior year and up could tie him up in his statements and whip him with the ill conceived contents of his uninformed ravings until he realizes that having a political opinion doesn't mean you won't be toyed with if you can't defend it.
My parents lived their whole life under Sadam dictatorship and they said it was the best but they hated how he went to war with iran and then Kuwait but still it was the golden age of iraq
What really caused all of this was when the Arab states first closed off the oil to the US leading the problems back stateside American vowed to never let it happen again but nowadays we don't really need the world's oil we use Texas
@@orlandosonicbloom6961 I mean he isn’t wrong, OPEC caused a gas crisis in the US during the 70s leading the US to greatly increase its presence there to avoid it happening again.
Tommy kinda misses the point that gassing your own citizens shouldn't go unpunished, sure they didn't have the means to make a nuke but chemical weapons in the hands of someone who has started multiple wars themselves is what they call in international politics "a problem"
🇺🇸 was just to invade Iraq and finish what was started in GW1... 🇺🇸 had many reasons to invade and it was not just about nukes; Sadam had full capability to build them and even provided the west with proof he has full knowledge of how to build them but kept saying he's not trying to; for a very long time Sadam kept refusing full nuclear inspections thus lead to strong suspicions; though very suspicious the west did know Sadam didn't have the bomb though it had a nuclear program... Thus, Iraq having nukes was more of an overexaggeration but not completely without merit... The same nuclear specialist who later helped NK gain theirs first sought after Sadam but Sadam refused the help thinking it was a Cia plot... Main reasons for invasion was Iraq's genocide of the kurds, use of chemicals weapons (a weapon of mass destruction), the extreme torture and murder of 10s of thousands of Iraqis leaving many in mass graves, also Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Iraqi ppl, and other nations for decades begging 🇺🇸 to finally deal with Sadam... The wmd bit was just a add on to spark more support... Also the chance to demonstrate 🇺🇸 power after 9/11 as in afgan war it's hard to demonstrate 🇺🇸 power and Iraq allowed for a better visual... ontop of all that is the decades of 🇺🇸 hatred for Sadam and 🇺🇸 presidents hated for him... FYI Sadam wanted to restore the Babylon empire which he could've done had he instead chose to invade Arabia instead of just Kuwait... The oil nonsense is just ignorant ppls explanations of something they know nothing about; how does spending a couple trillion to take a few billion in oil make sense? Obviously it doesn't and ever military in history uses loot/booty/captured resources to offset the cost of war thus US would be fully just to do so... GW2 was fully justified and so was the first few years of peacekeeping mission; thus first 3 years just but the remaining decades not so per the Iraqi ppl failed to unite regardless of the opportunity US gave them... vast vast majority of lives lost in Iraq were from infighting and Muslims fighting and killing other muslims for for has control over other muslims (thus not the US fault)...
There are rules against attacking civilian objects but i mean America never cared bout that, I mean Afganistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea and Serbia, they destroyed everything they could hit
@@MatthiasDrinksH20 Hiroshima and Nagasaki where military targets, Dresden in Germany too. But nobody remembers the residential area fire bombings of Tokyo, as an example. There is no nice way to wage modern war. Iraqi, Argentinean, Russian and so on. Still place their weapons next to schools.
@The Kingdom of Jerusalem Americans could have waited for 1 day hence the soviets declared war on the night b4 the bombings but allies couldnt allow Soviet troops to march into another capital b4 them
@@pointlessupdate Sure you can. Its called Total War. In Area Bombing you target residential areas in order to kill the workers for the factories. Lowering war time production, and theoretically public/army morale as well. One of the reasons for this being that targeting the actual factories was near impossible. Everyone knows about Dresden, but Hamburg was even worse. Considering it was a city with low Nazi support from the start. Its bombing was a long planned and meticulous campaign. Working the high winds of the area against its civilian population in the fire bombing. It was controversial then, its controversial now. But the fact remains that Dresden was a major hub of military logistics and production. It was a military target, but in order to take it out. You took out the entire city.
@@pointlessupdate We live under the same rules in our time as well. Should a nuclear war happen, your city with all its inhabitants will be targeted. Just because of that important chemical factory within its limits.
2:19 twitch is the same way... how did we let these idiots get in control of our media platforms? Also how does Tommy not realize the parallels to twitch in what he is saying?
@@qwerty30013 Listen to what he is saying again. Just because something is within someone's rights doesn't mean they SHOULD do it. Should people be racist just because they have the right to think freely? The point is that Tommy was being hypocritical and that we almost all choose platforms which restrict our speech. I am not saying we should have the government come in and tell them what they can and cannot do, I am saying we should collectively grow a brain and support platforms which A. promote free speech and B. support the content creators. Like old youtube.
@@qwerty30013 Also, if a company refuses to sell to people with dark skin just because they are black, do you still stand by your statement? I have narrowed you down into either a racist or a hypocrite.
23:40 history is not written by the Victor's, at least not in the modern world. Its written by historians who use several primary and secondary sources and determine with common sense and logic to give an accurate and reliable account of what happened
holy shit this is a hard watch with tommys chat spouting off the least informed takes on the planet while tommy actually listens to them. at this point he shpuld know his chat is made up of hoi4 historians who know as much as him but think they know more
This. Also the whole story of Saddam Hussein is rarely told in the West. Iran once was a democracy that elected a man named Mohammad Mossadegh who wanted to separate religion and state. He also thought that the UK shouldn't profit from other countrie's national resources, so he attempted to nationalize the Ango-Iranian Oil Company. The CIA put him out of office in 1953 and replaced him with a pro-west monarch, Reza Pahlavi, who let western companies exploit iranian oil field. He also enacted many reforms to forcefully modernize and westernize Iran (including women's rights, which I don't condemn, that's good but it's still no excuse to get rid of the legitimate president and let westerners exploit your country's resources, also Mossadegh was the type of guy to allow more women's rights as well). Then they had the Iranian Revolution where shia radicals around Ayatollah Chomenei took over the country and turned it into the terrible clerical dictatorship Iran is today. That was in 1976, and it only took the west 4 years until Hussein was expected to invade Iran in an attempt to stop the revolution and reinstall a pro-west regime in 1980, this is the beginning of the first gulf war. Ended with a cease-fire in 1988. Iraq was in extreme debt, Hussein was promised to gain a lot of wealth from the iranian oíl, but the US didn't care about him, they just used him to do the dirty work. So to lower the debt, Hussein invaded Kuwait to demand the cancellation of foreign debt, since from his perspective, he had been betrayed (not saying he WAS betrayed, just explaining his motives). So it really all justs starts with greed and a lack of responsibility towards other nations.
@@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862 I agree with the most of it. Cold War politics were brutal, but you gotta give we’re credit is due the US has changed a lot to the point their energy self sufficient in the case of a crisis. Americans learn really good from crisis and hardships and improve on them. US doesn’t go gun ad hoc as much. We’re two decades in and we don’t have as many US invasions as before as in the Cold War
al-qeuda did not come from saudi guys it came from afganistan and was formed by osama in afganistan whilst he was fighting the soviets, osama was saudi but al-queda is not.
"US school teach hard-core nationalism" LOL what is this dude talking about. That is so not true. At least in the 3 states I attended school. My dad was a ranger and a Green Beret and served in Iraq, though after the war. I will always remember a interaction I had with him where I told him how evil our country was and that the flag didn't deserve respect. He was crushed and so disappointed. He tried to explain to me why the flag should be respected and why he fought and served for 20 years. I was taught those ideas in public school. I wish we taught some nationalism in schools.
@Gas Enjoyer... it was ran solely by the Iraqi ppl and countless ppl gave testimony against him; all the crimes laid against him in court were a fraction of the crimes he committed thus why they hanged him rightfully so
@@murtadhaalkenani3876 who else is supposed to do the trial then every one in iraq hated him every ethnicity hated him theres literally not a single person in iraq without a bias towards or against him
As long as adequate steps were taken to minimize casualties, and the targets were not civilian, it is generally considered not a war crime under international law.
Also that many times civilians took shelter in Iraqi military building unknowingly to us forces especially after US warned all civilians to leave conflict areas... also the the vast majority of civilian deaths are from infighting of the Iraqi ppl not the US attacking them; also that Iraqi informants very often gave false intel reports for money or to solve personal or religious grudges; also that a very common theme was insurgents dressed in civilian clothes attacking 🇺🇸 troops then after the battle Iraqi ppl take the weapons then play it off as if 🇺🇸 just murdered masses of ppl
Bruh the us in Iraq declared war “illegally” and went in their killing and butchering civilians and the military saying that Iraq had “wEaPoNs oF mAsS deStRUsctIoN” while Iraq had none
@@bigchungus6320 Exactly, I'm on the same side as you on this issue. The entire Bush administration and all involved parties in the coalition should be charged with war crimes. They were there to depose Saddam Hussein and install a puppet government using the lie that he had WMDs
how is the Kuwait invasion justified like wtf man Kuwaits populationm was like 300,000 and after the war it was like 200,000 .I am a Kuwaiti and I know many stories about the wars such as rapes, civiliwan deaths , destroyed the infrastructure . And still people say the invasion was justified . One more story is that there was a famiily that left to go to Saudi Arabia got their child stolen and other poeople found him with no eyes and skinny like a stick . And if you call Saddam wanting more oil and want to expand more a justification you are probably from Tommy's chat
GW1/2 were not only justified but were long overdue... most ppl in 🇺🇸 and the world are completely ignorant to the history of the conflicts and what actually took place thus they bash the US out of their ignorance and don't even care to know the truth... I remember watch GW1 on TV in school wishing I could've been there to help but when I became of age I finally got the chance to finish what was started in GW1
The invasion was reletively quick, but the entire Iraq War was a decade long slog. I mean after Suddam's regime fell, militia, terrorist groups, military remnents, inflicted suprisingly high amounts of losses on American forces. One of the worst was Fallujah where just under 100 Americans Died and another 500+ wounded.
@@Link-ni2rp typical liberal, zero support for any opinion, while i support your right to have a different view, when you cannot support it i have no respect for it at all.
@@MrMichaelBCurtis ? Im not a liberal lol im saying that most if what tommy and his xhat said was dead wrong and just the "oh they want oil" stupid shit they always use
@@Link-ni2rp okay so you explained your opinion, that makes more sense, and I respect your using your brain to convey your thoughts, also i apologize for insulting you by calling you a liberal. And as the USA is the biggest oil exporter when we don't have a senile fool running things, trying to get more oil out of other countries would LOWER the value of our oil, so what liberals say about everything being about oil makes no sense
MARKONI WHAT ARE YOU DOING So many uploads?? What's going on brother, you look like you're setting your affairs in order before departing forever or something weird of the kind! what is this! Much love and rakja to you from Paris
The war didnt really cost that much because once you add up the oil and other resources acquired, and Iraqi government finances seized, that covered a lot of it. But that didnt stop the US military budget rising
FYI, 03 Iraq war (GW2) was a just war and we had many reasons to Finally finish GW1; the years of peacekeeping mission after the war ended in 04 were also just but after the 3rd year unnecessary; it was a grace for the Iraqi ppl that we stayed so long while they got their shit together but they never did thus why we finally left... The vast vast majority of deaths were caused from iraqi infighting not from US attacking civilians; of the small number of civilians killed by US most were from civilians taking shelter in Iraqi military building unknowingly to 🇺🇸 forces; from Iraqis attacking from populated areas; from missed bombing (civilians were warned to flee conflict areas); from Iraqi informant giving false intel reports for money or to solve personal or religious grudges and using 🇺🇸 to mistake these ppl as a high value target... A very common scene was Iraqi ppl blowing up massive crowds yet 🇺🇸 gets blamed; a other very common scene was insurgents in civilian clothes attacking 🇺🇸 forces then after the fight Iraqis take the weapons then get media to report false claims of 🇺🇸 killing civilians... The actual number of 🇺🇸 unjust killing of civilians is closer to friendly fire mishaps... Majority of ppl in US and the world are utterly clueless as to the actual history of these conflicts and what actually took place... GW1/2 wars were not only just (mostly) but were long overdue
Whenever the video was posted back then TH-cam was like really strict with their rules and you couldn't basically say anything that is related to those topics Especially talking about like modern day history stuff about like war in the Middle East and terrorist organizations that's what really got you in trouble with the TH-cam algorithm
@@damnationdan5253 wait you say i’m delusional but you don’t think they are also trying to rewrite history? despite they push out leftist propaganda and have banned people for questioning cdc, removing nelk boys video with trump. Are you a democrat/leftist?
the guy who made the false accusations that Iraq has mass destruction weapons, just apologized and said it’s the low point of his career as if the people that got killed were just an accident
They weren't false accusations just over exaggerations of the truth; there was numerous reasons US finally finished GW1 as was always going to happen; the over exaggeration of wmds was just an add on... the vast vast majority of deaths were caused by Iraqi infighting thus not the US fault
@@akiamini4006 middle east was already extremely unstable since the british and french made syria, iraq and Lebanon to all have very mixed areas with different ethnicities and religions
@@banger2998 not for the natives. It was better off for the rich businessmen who could make companies freely and the Brits who could get alot of oil. But the locals saw non of that profit, contrary to your belief the British werent babysitting these people. They were conquering them and making a survival of the fittest whether that helped the natives or not
"How do you deal with this without making it worse" You don't intervene in the first place, that is their country not ours and they need to find their own way.
I get that but to act like Sadam wasnt a brutal ass dictator is asinine. I feel like if they would have just said we topplinf Sadam for actual crimes against humanity then peooke would have been okay with it.
@@AnonD38 If western liberal democracy truly is the best and ultimate form of the state, then it will find its way in time. If not then the basis for intervention is unsound.
@@PurpleCrownVic I agree Saddam was a brutal dictator, that is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that a country should be free to determine its own future and if that means it wants a radical Islamic regime and they are not launching attacks on the US, then we have no reason to intervene in their business. I think it is pretty clear that the US government doesn't care about brutal dictators or autocrats, they care about money and looking good. The reason why the US government can't lower it's military budget is because it has taken the place as peacekeeper of the world and protects other countries so they don't have to do it themselves. European militaries have effectively become glorified anti-terrorist units and leave all the heavy lifting to the US. The US then needs a massive military to defend the democratic world because nobody is willing to take up their fair share. Thus a massive military industrial complex establishes itself and the revolving door in the pentagon means that they always have sway. Companies like Lockheed Martin have a virtual monopoly on combat aircraft production, and such can charge whatever they want because they know the US will just keep shoveling money to them to keep the system rolling. The US then sees a way to monopolize oil-production and produce even more wealth for itself by taking oil fields in the middle-east. They invade countries and cause even more destabilization and conflict and set countries back decades in economic status. The destabilization then causes protracted conflict and allows a further justification to manufacture more weapons. Now you end with generations of young men in these countries knowing nothing but oppression and death by the militaries of "infidel westerners" and thus create more enemies to fight. The Invasion of Iraq was a means to establish a state sympathetic to the US, drive arms production and capture oil fields, and further the western drive to "bring civility" to "savage" non-liberal democratic nations.
@@PurpleCrownVic he wasn't a brutal ass dictator the media made him look that way the crimes against kurds was because they kept rebelling against him while he was fighting against iran and crimes against shias was because of the ideology of Iran that's it media (government) just likes to talk alot of trash to get the iraqi people on their side
Iraq had a larger and better equipped army in desert storm than Ukraine at the start of Russian invasion. But Russia couldn’t even establish air dominance. Very different compare to US coalition.
Rus didn't go full out war as it should've and it foolishly tried to secure a quick victory where had they not bumb rushed the capital all of ukr would now be rus; now rus has to wait another year before ukr falls
@@jaybelle1909 I agree, now they must sacrifice another generation. WW2, Afghanistan, and Chechnya have already done in the Russian population. Who will be left generations after?
Iraq was a good excuse for NATO to flex it's muscles, try out new weapons, new gear, new technology and so on. Taught them a lot of important information.
The US’s wars in the last two decades have been unpopular, and have been punching a brick wall when it comes to actually stabilizing and setting up new nations. But it has been a very important lesson in how to improve your fighting force in a time when you can’t fight conventional wars that much. We are still top dog as far as military power because we were constantly needing to come up with better equipment and tactics. So… unfortunately for the victims it was necessary.
I love Tommy's content, but I cringe when he talks about politics/anything non-gaming. One example to show why this is not a good look for him. He just listens to the chat and then walks away with bad takes and a false recount of history. In another example, he shows how much he doesn't know about the subject and reaffirms his false views because half of the chat will just meme him on, thus cementing his bad take. Like with war crimes, which is enforced by the U.N., an international organization that is supposed to enforce the peace, but obviously has 5 major players that just say fk off when things go against them. Tommy then says, and the U.S. wants NATO members to give their fair share to the alliance. Yeah, because it was a voluntary alliance that all members agreed would pay 2% towards defending against the USSR and any other threat. NATO is U.S. led and not a diplomatic organization, it's a military alliance. Not giving your fair share to the alliance means you should get completely ignored when you bitch about what they are doing in it. Imagine being in a farmers' commune and not giving your fair share. Then getting mad that the ones filling in your gaps start dictating what you will eat and Tommy would be there defending the slackers as being oppressed. You do realize that NATO is why Eurofks don't need a large military and can spend it on healthcare or free Uni. Imagine being a child on the international stage who relies on daddy USA to defend them from bully Russia and then complaining about the rules of the house. Don't like it, build your own house. Too bad like most children, you fks don't want to pay for it and so you will just pout in your rooms like the rebel without a cause teen you are.
25:03 they were fighting for their country against a foreign invader they didn't care about the American technological superiority thats something we Serbs share with Iraqis
@@AnonD38 what do you expect of Serbia and Montenegro,no one tought that we could win against the entirety of NATO alone but we did succesfuly defended our homes and our borders it is our politicians that surrendered
America makes enough of its own oil to not need any foreign supplement, but our buddies in Europe aren’t so lucky and it’s cheaper to pipe it from the Middle East rather than ship it from America
Civilians who were killed in the Iraq war were kill a LOT by the IRAQ military. AND if you consider all the armor the IRAQ army lost it is WAY underreported, they probably lost hundreds of thousands.
So you're stating that America bombing Iraq hundreds of times wasn't the reason why hundreds of thousands of people died. people how were killed by the iraq military were just against Saddam Hussein which was 10% of iraq's population and it's wrong but the 10% of the population left Iraq before the war cause the knew what was coming .although both sides did really bad things its just war works
@@personaltreat5472 huh? yes the bombing was on the military units mostly out of the city, and the city bombing was not indiscriminate the USA has very accurate bombs that destroyed military targets. as for the size of the Iraq military it was estimated to be around 300,000 and the population was over 38 million, so I don't know where you got the numbers but they are not real.
many americans enlisted in the military not because of oil but because of 9/11. most felt pride to join and fight back and others joined because of rage and hate that americans were brutally murdered, while the government went for oil.
it seems like ''superior firepower'' doctrine is still the meta
Flexible firepower 2 op pls fix
@@plusxz821 developers abandoned the game :((((
As long as you have the resorces
More like blitzkrieg
Shock and Awe
I've heard the Iraqi forces defending Baghdad had no coordination since the regime feared radio communication would lead to an uprising. Know for sure mobile phones were banned in Saddam era Iraq, mind boggling when you consider the level of technology they were facing
There were raidos used just for fighting they were just forbidden to talk or meet officers and only focus on combat and military terms of communication to prevent coups
By the time the Americans had advanced towards Baghdad all unit command and communications centers had already been hit and destroyed by U.S. airpower.
@@zarp1854 Very good point, also impressing how the Republican guard was infact able to halt the invading advance on a few number of occasions. The interview with General al Hamdani from RT gives a very interesting insight
The army didn't fight, the motivated ones dispersed into society and prepared for the insurgency in Al akbar with falujah As a particular hotbed.
@@colinnorthridge7318 Somewhat true, but not a 100%. The armored and mechanized divisions 'Medina' and 'Nebuchadnezzer' did put up a fight, especially in the Karbala Gap. Also SRG and Fedayeen would have been motivated due to their position in the regime
I think tommys chat is probably the least educated group of people in history
They’re so idiotic but then again they’re HOI4 fans
Yeah true they belive anything
Yeah, the sh*t they say at times, is, unbelievable.
LMAO yeah thats exactly what i was thinking as i was reading it
Every streamers’ chat*
What's interesting is that even though Tommy is kinda right when he said the Europeans were "blowing" the US, a few european countries actually refused to take part in the invasion of Irak, that was seen as an illegitimate conflict, like France and Germany. I know that for the case of France it led American medias to portray them as cowards and overall ridicule them, diplomatic relations also took a hit from that.
Yup. I always thought that Europe and the US were kind of similar, but there are HUGE, HUGE differences in mentality.
The American population would think very differntly of war and militarism if they had been destroyed like Europe was destroyed in WW2. You can't just go anywhere you want and bomb shit without being held responsible for war crimes and then expect the world to love you. As a European, I think any political block of the economic strength of the United States or Europe as a whole is powerfol enough to solve problems on a diplomatic and economic scale only.
@@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862 well maga in america is trying to get america back from 30+ years of uni party rule under dems and rinos...maga is trying to get control of the justice system so we can finally go after all the traitors here for all of that...
since bush sr...its been uni party rule...jfk jr being killed was by them...his dad jfk was killed by cia who was led by bush sr at the time...jfk wanted to go after the secret societies like skull and bones bush sr was apart of and go after the cia and fbi and disband them...then way later 911 was an inside job...then iraq invasion which nobody wanted and why we all hated bush for it and why obama got in cuz he kept saying hed end the wars and bring troops home but then he doesnt and starts 7 new wars and why everyone hates him now cuz he droned hospitals and funerals then 08 recession to bail banks out and transfer trillions to them..
all these people are what we call the deep state or the swamp...and maga is after that and wanted it to be held accountable...we want them all to hang for treason and mass genocide...
one day hopefully they will be...but only if maga takes over will there ever be a chance of that because if uni party stays in power expect war to go on forever...
The Norwegian government didn’t want to participate either.
We still hate the French. But that’s probably because of my grandpa, he killed his share in Northern Africa.
US had many just reasons to finish what was started in GW1... Iraq was is complex while there were few unjust reasons to invade in GW1/2 the just reasons far outweighed the unjust ones... The US doesn't need their help but since our nation funds and provides the security for all of nato, weak nations should offer to help; yes state your opinions but help nonetheless
I feel like Tommy’s chat gets their education from country balls animations
info straight from r/polandball
since tommy always questions it heres a bit I did for a school Question about it "They both believe in islamic law with some different applications for it. Their main difference is who should succeeded the prophet Muhammad. Sunni’s are spread from Morocco to Indonesia. While Shia’s have stayed mostly in persia and the middle east. 85-90 percent of muslims are sunni, while 10-15 percent are shia. Sunnis have less elaborate religious hierarchy then shia’ do, shia’s given human beings the exalted status of prophets in the Quran (pretty much saying that everyone is not created equal to people like prophets), while sunni’s do not." so pretty much the same
Islam is cancer, either way...
@@KentRoads why?
@@seifelgindy8386 just look at what it causes
@@seifelgindy8386 All religion is cancer but Islam is the worst
Disgusting replies. No Religion is cancer
12:00 The helmets are blue for that exact reason: TO BE SEEN.
The UN is widly regarded as a peace keeping force. Shooting at it is equivalent to declaring war to every UN member state. That is why it is so obvious so people think twice before declaring war on the entire world.
The status of the UN is immediatly noticeable through that for civilians too. Their protection comes through the organisation that is represented by the blue helmets aka the UN.
The UN is useless. Ask africa. As long as they dont shoot at the blue helmets, they can kill and rape whoever they want while UN just watch as they cant engage if not shot at.
UN peacekeepers get shot at and killed all the time. Because everyone knows that the UN is largely toothless and most of the peacekeepers come from second or third world countries with zero ability to retaliate against anybody.
@@LSgaming201 agreed on the first half but heavily disagree on the last part. Many Dutch and German forces are in the UN peace keeping force. I don't enjoy the implication of third world countries not being able to fight. It's simply forbidden by the UN security Council.
It was a Dutch general standing by the screbenicza massacre not a third world country one.
Ah yes, protected by the UN. Rwanda time.
In response to the guy at 17:20, it really depends on the school you go to. Every school I went to growing up immediately after 9/11 has either been neutral or outright anti-American in regards to history. Same goes for all my friends, and now in college even more so. The education system broadly is certainly not friendly towards America. I think it is highly dependent on specific schools or regions.
My schools carried one with the flag waving and America #1 sentiment all the way through high school. College actually started teaching me something.
i read a article sometime ago that did a study to see where the schools politics align. i forget the acual number but it was like 93% were liberal alligned schools teaching primarily liberal topics, to 5% non political schools, and 2% conservative schools teaching primarily respect the country and the standard carriculum. i went to one of the 93%
@@qwerty30013 sure lol
@@PresidentHMV American liberals all support American imperialism
@@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241 that's basically the entirety of the south
17:13
Depending on what school you went to and state you were in, the curriculum changes. Being born in ‘02 we weren’t taught patriotism or nationalism in my school or district, and this is coming from someone who lives in Ohio. In particular we talked about 9/11 once a year until high school then they just ignored it. After 2016 it felt like we were only taught about our “horrible, warmongering, and full of flaw” past. Nowadays everyone just seems overly biased and ignorant, It’s sad to see.
Yeah when I heard that I was like wtf? I’m in school rn and no young person has anything positive to say about America or authority in general.
@@seanassociateproductions1691 Got out in 2020
Some of my HS teachers were very subjective when it came to US history and wouldn’t shy away from letting the students make their own decisions on the actions of the United States.
But I seemed to be lucky since most of my friends got the… other… teachers.
We do have flaws in this country, but we sure as hell are better than some of the other countries that claim to be “superior”
@@PeterMuskrat6968 exactly, there is a very happy balance between acknowledging our wrongs, and being proud of our accomplishments.
@@seanassociateproductions1691 Ahh a true American.
@@seanassociateproductions1691it was like that for me when I was in high school too. The most “patriotic” education I ever got in HS was when we talked about the revolutionary war, civil war, and War with Japan, and one of those three is still a gray area considering how many laws were broken and how much the constitution was violated to try and justify it (civil war)
The guy that donated about how the US teaches hardcore nationalism and pro American imperialism is not true, at least where I live. Here my teachers condemned the crimes the US has committed, from The trail of Tears, to the Spanish American war and even to middle eastern intervention.
That person is just a loser that thinks anything pro us is ultranationalism and etc.
@@assassin_rk42 yep. Not even sure he is from the US. Sounds like he is a US hater who wants to make the place & people look bad
I think it depends on the school honestly. I don't think what that donation said was true but there's a grey area in-between with some merit to think about
You can do both.
Symbolically condemning past mistakes and bad policy and then turning around and preaching American exceptionalism has been the right wing’s modus operandi for decades...
Yeah when I heard that I was like wtf? I’m in school rn and no young person has anything positive to say about America or authority in general.
I’m sorry but tommy is incredibly naive when it comes to international relations and geopolitics.
And the difference between “freedom of speech” and TH-cam having a TOS. But that seems to be most people...
one could say the same about you. And just to prove it, I am saying it
proving my point
It's quite infuriating to be honest.
“Naive”
Just because you don’t like the truth / his opinion doesn’t make him naive.
7:17 I think I know what he meant, but the way he said it sounds like a typical historical myth that needs to die. It's so easy to try and pick on the USA and say stuff like "war was for oil". Unfortunately, the world is a bit more complicated than that. The CIA did not "create" Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam, and other major Arab Freedom Fighters/Volunteers from the Soviet-Afghan War, did. The CIA didn't even create the Mujahideen either. Also, the Mujahideen and the Arab Volunteers aren't necessarily the same people. Plus, Osama Bin Laden never got any direct funding from the United States (he was already rich and used a lot of his own wealth to help out). Although, of course there is a pretty clearly accepted that he got indirect aid, and about 35,000 Afghan Volunteers got training from Pakistan (who was funded/resourced by CIA, China, and the UK, not just the United States). Also, other major players involved in Al Qaeda, such as Haqqani, did in fact get direct cash payments from the USA. So, no the USA didn't create Al Qaeda, but Bin Laden and the boiz did use the resources/funding from: himself, USA, Pakistan, UK, and China. If you are going to say something like that, just add in these other countries as well and not forget their involvement in Operation Cyclone.
Lots of historical myths from people like Europeans, who don’t generally look at US history and carry a general disdain for us.
The war was about creating a New Democratic “ally” state.
Thus, giving us a new Military base in the region and promoting pro US ideals. That was a bit of a failure.
But as fucked up as it sounds I’m glad we went in to both Iraq and Afghanistan.
It not only kept our Military sharp and constantly driving innovation and improvements just in time for the second Cold War to begin (2022-______)
It also was able to give places like Afghan a bit more western education.
I actually know a few people from Afghanistan since we used to play games online a lot. That would not have been possible without the US coming in.
The most unfortunate part was that we didn’t do a better job of evacuating those people. Both of my friends have left Afghanistan and are in Italy and Germany respectively.
But a lot of others have still trapped :(
@@PeterMuskrat6968 ''The war was about creating a New Democratic “ally” state.'' a narrative that the bush administration only used once the WMD falsehood got publicly revealed...
i respect the way youre trying to disprove some things as ''myths'', correctly so. but the way way you downplay the CIA's involvement in 'creating' the mujahideen is too hard to ignore. The CIA played a significant role in providing weapons, training, and funding to the mujahideen through channels like the pakistani intelligence agency, and the ISI. i would be willing to make the claim that without these fundings the mujahideen would not even remotely come close to the amount of relevance and power they gained over the course of those years. so no, in this case i wouldnt really say that ''adding in the other countries'' is a neccesary thing as it would add fake nuance to something that is most definitely revolved around one big central player which is the CIA.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 ''The war was about creating a New Democratic “ally” state.'' that is a narrative that the bush administration only started using AFTER their whole ''weapons of mass destruction'' falsehood got discovered.
"learn" from chat
Actually the soviets and UK destabilized it the UK in wwi and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan the us was just salt on a wound
Not at all no, indeed the British laid to groundwork for many of the issues we see in the middle east nowadays with the Sykes-Picot agreement. The soviet invasion of afghanistan also allowed Al qaeda to form, though only because the US was still playing cold war proxy war and even then they werent seen as bad people (the mujahadeen I mean) as Bin Laden was respected as a freedom fighter long before he was vilified, rightfully so, as a terrorist.
These two events would never have led to what we have today on their own. The US choosing to get involved for dubious reasons and consistently playing their cards without regard for the people and customs and religion and culture of the lands they invade/occupy is the major factor here. It is the easy to point at factor that someone can pull examples for easily (as seen by this video tbh) such as how they didnt find any WMDs,didnt care much for civilian casualties, reinstituted hated officials and did little to appear as liberators despite labelling themselves it.
Lets say Sykes-Picot was the cut, Soviet Afghanistan was the first signs of infection (caused by the US, not the USSR - its an Islamist problem we have in the middle east, not a socialist one) and the US involvement in the middle east from the Gulf war to now ongoing actions are the infection spreading and becoming serious.
@@TheCornFarmer1989 "play stupid games win stupid prizes" the stupid game being ismalic extremists and the stupid prize being well 9/11
British also Invaded Iraq in Ww2. Because Iraq was basically a puppet government for the Nazis and were pro German and pro Nazi.
@@TheCornFarmer1989 No the Soviet Invasion as the infection for Afghanistan, they literally helped overthrew a stable monarchy for a communist regime and then civil war broke out and the Soviets just literally massacres anyone who is a suspected terrorist. You thought the US was bad? Nah lemme show you how the Russians/Soviets did it by just destroying communities to dust. US could’ve done it too as well but thank god they didn’t.
The people in this chat honestly make me question human intelligence if they honestly think the US is anywhere near the worst country. War crimes are common on literally every side.
But at the same time your own country has invaded, violated, put dictators in neutral nations even destroying entire nations for their natural resources like always in recent history, you country is clearly imperialistic and has invaded every country in history and so on, your goverment is evil and no one in earth is denying it.
It's Twitch chat, dont expect intelligence or cohesive, well-thought out opinions.
@@miilodude_8529 evil?? How is it evil? Id understand corrupt but at the same time EVERY GOVERNMENT ON EARTH HAS CORRUPTION
I cringed so hard when they said that the US was the reason the entente won ww1
Mf the US hasn't stopped committing atrocities and crimes against humanity since its foundation
"We like war, and we're damn good at it too!"
- George Carlin
Thought it was a quote from God of war
Yeah pretty much
While Europe can sit on its ass and preach Pacifism when the shit hits the fan they’ll all run back to Uncle Sam for protection.
Pacifism is a fool’s errand, and it only makes you weak.
Not supporting unjust and wasteful wars is not pacifism, but a necessity for any Martial society to not end up like Rome.
45:12 Imagine a random guy from Germany who knows way less about Islam having better idea to resolve Sunni - Shia conflict than Muslims themselves.
you are not wrong, and I like Tommy lol. he sort of echoes the Bush administration there
Well that is how it should be but it isn't because politics.. and now there is another one.. Shia-Sunni-Wahabism.. except wahabism is somehow it's own thing
Yeah bro its really a pain in the ass for me which lives in Iran and see people judging us from far away
@Sierox Although the conflict is already solved in that case. Most Christian people here in the US don't even know the differences between the different sects at all and think they are the exact same, or don't care at all, or think they know while they actually have no idea. You never see inter-Christian violence nowadays like you do with inter-Islam violence. Historically it was absolutely the case, but that is implying that the Islamic world is a few hundred years behind the western world socially.
@@cactuskhan4649 because no religious reformation happened plus the arabs came to conclusion that whatever is out there is already in quran so no age of scientific advancement/ enlightenment
Sometimes it hurts how Tommy and chat know nothing about some subject like how USA just goes and destroys oil in other countries?? Bruh
5iq chat smh
I also remember in his Geography Now - Iran video he said that its dangerous to go to Morocco as a white guy....
Morocco is the most visited country in Africa.
@@TSGC16 i thought it was Egypt but Morroco is clearly safer than most countries in Africa
@@BlaBla-vh4pm Morocco took over Egypt in terms of visitors in 2019
@@TSGC16 I didn't knew that but its a quite logical they really have a nice country and I want to visit it one day.
17:19, i dont know what america this person is living in because all the stuff they teach us in school is to not hurt each others feelings
Yes, also the first things we learn about is slavery and native genocide
Hitler and the things he did should and usually are ingrained into a kids mind, since teaching them the worst part of history will certainly prevent them from ever wanting to be a dictator
Exactly, "critical race theory" Is almost being taught at our schools, that idiot doesn't understand the difference between patriotism and Nationalism because has like a 14 yr old kid who thinks he knows everything about the U.S government
In the 2000s and early half of 2010s, jingoism and Neo-Conservatism was the main ideology. Only around 2015 did people get disillusioned.
@@bobthegreatreee3185 critical race theory is a graduate course in law school. It’s been around for years. Stop watching Fox news
After ww2 japan didn't pay for their war crimes and played the victim. The first animes helped to make japan appear the victim. The UN clearly wanted to make america create their own version of anime.
Man, this video is going to be ban from youtube in seconds...
Freedom of sp-
Never heared of it, enjoy your *freedom* with oil
A large reason for large civilian deaths compared to military deaths is quite simple, while soldiers come, fight and go home the civilians have to live in the war torn area and you also have to remember the us bombed stuff the Iraq military could use from stuff like bunkers to power and water stations and after the war with no central government left to make repairs it forced the USA to stay and hand out food and water.
Both a necessary and piss poor decision.
The Duality of War
Vast majority of civilians died from iraqi infighting not from US direct or indirect attack... many civilians too shelter in Iraqi military building unknownst to US forces at the time; civilians were warned to leave conflict areas but many refused... Iraqi informants quite often gave false intel reports just for money or to solve personal or religious grudges... very common scene was Iraqis blowing up mass crowds of ppl yet ignorant ppl blame the 🇺🇸... another very common scene is Iraqi insurgents dressed in civilian closes getting killed then after the battle Iraqis run in and take the weapons then cry to the media saying 🇺🇸 just murder masses of civilians and ignorant ppl just accept this blatant propaganda...
48:20 Tommy is cultured
And it’s not weird as AoT is literally more or less a commentary on the root issue of warfare in general.
Tommy should watch The Operations Room Desert Storm Series, or atleast the battle of 73 Easting
He said "Its like Orcs and Uruk-Hai fighting" lmao
0:44 Portugal mainland is the same in every map except the ancient one, Sigma Portugal
People who think the Iraq war was "Illegal" don't know anything about the first Iraq war (the Persian Gulf war) or how it ended. The Persian Gulf war was fully supported by the world. The whole of the UN security council supported what Saddam did there was wrong. That was then ended with United Nations Security Council Resolution 687. That resolution agreed to a peace settlement kicking Saddam out of Kuwait as well as requiring Saddam to allow international inspectors to visit his country to make sure he had gotten rid of his WMDs, in this case chemical weapons which do count as WMDs also, not just nukes. It was know Saddam had chemical weapons and was using them on his people after the war ended to retain power but that eventually stopped after he gained power. But in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion he started to refuse international inspectors into his country anymore. That alone per the UN resolution 687 was permission for all the forces that joined in, in stopping Saddam in 1991 to stop him again (fully this time). The additional things of Saddam planning to get nukes, restart his chemical weapon production and harboring terrorist organizations were all extra modification that in the end didn't matter. That is why the Iraq war of 2003 never went before the UN security council again because it was already fully justified via the security council resolution 687. It is really very simple stuff.
But to also be fair it was expected that the allied forces would find production of nuclear weapons in Iraq and a larger link to terrorist organization (there was only minimal links). In addition to that everyone in the world knows that Saddam was a bad guy and that he 100% did use chemical weapons against his own population. During the invasion a chemical weapon production plant in Sargat Iraq was sized in "Operation Viking Hammer" (it was not in operation at the time it was captured) and another was chemical weapons plant was bombed after a SAS team could not secure it do to the heavy defense there. So that one could have still been producing chemical weapons based on the very heavy defense Saddam dedicated to it. And the bottom-line is everyone in the world knew Saddam had chemical weapons prior to 2003. We had seen him use them on his population for years to that point. What he did with them we can never be sure until further information is declassified by the US military. The expectation is they were delivered to Syria or destroyed. The Syria explanation makes the most sense based on what happened there in the following years.
So saying the Iraq war was illegal is just falsely not correct. You can make the claim it was unjustified or not smart which I may agree with. But then you need to put your mind into that of a American living in the 2001-2003 period after having just suffered the biggest terrorist attack in human history with the goal of never letting that happen again. I don't think any US President ever would not have seen the perpetual worst dictator in the world, Saddam Hussain as not a potential threat to the safety of American citizens.
In addition to all of this, why would Saddam just not agree to allowing the UN inspectors that he previously agreed to allowing in come in if he h ad nothing to hide? It made no sense which further fed the believe that he did have WMD's still (again WMD's are not just nukes but chemical weapons as well). Further when the invasion was imminent he was still given a chance to leave with billions of dollars and he still refused to accept that deal. He could have spent the rest of his life in luxury but chose not to.
this entire argument just collapses instantly cause of the simple fact that saddam DID NOT refuse weapon inspectors into iraq. literally one of the main reasons why germany and france refused to join the iraq war, was cause they believed the weapon inspectors who were present in iraq at that time should be given more time? like its just a false claim to say he refused to let weapon inspectors in. th-cam.com/video/ZTpSZnNtCnk/w-d-xo.html
I like seeing someones comment there saying: Theres still US bases in Iraq today.
You should ask where does US not have Military bases
As an american, tommy saying that you need to show people milk, denimbjeans, and butter, thatbhitbhard. Forget how much we take life for granted, I knew about it and thought about it, but in the sense of 'they'd want a car, or a house' not just butter, or denim jeans, or milk
You should read about the time Boris Yeltsin visited an American grocery store and was amazed at the selections. I believe he went to Houston and went into a store after visiting the Johnson Space Center, and Boris was amazed and talked about how if his people seen the American grocery stores they would revolt. Really mind-boggling the affects of simple things really.
@@Gray777333 It's not really simple things, capitalism has produced far more variety and quality AND quantity for all sorts of goods. We could have Thanos snap away 9/10 foodstuffs in our stores and in our homes and we'd still have more than enough to survive. People point out the unhealthy food, but did you notice how fast all sorts of health bars, drinks, meal prep, etc... came out after people started to become health conscious? It's miraculous what we are capable of nowadays. 200 years ago almost everyone was a farmer. Now, most people don't even know a farmer, at least not in the US.
@@nathanbean8763 alright bro where is the affordable housing
I can't make it through the video with this idiot so I'm going to assume what you quote is accurate. They don't need to be shown milk and butter because they already have it and you can't ship it before it spoils, dumbass, and if they wanted denim jeans they could have gotten them in the middle east, they don't wear them because they live in a climate that isn't comfortable wearing Jeans in. And giving cars wouldn't solve anything because Iraq was already a heavy traffic area to the point that if everyone had a car then nobody would get ANYWHERE. This dude is the kind of moron who any level of international relations freshman could run circles around, and any junior year and up could tie him up in his statements and whip him with the ill conceived contents of his uninformed ravings until he realizes that having a political opinion doesn't mean you won't be toyed with if you can't defend it.
My parents lived their whole life under Sadam dictatorship and they said it was the best but they hated how he went to war with iran and then Kuwait but still it was the golden age of iraq
Even though I'm late but we Iraqis don't surrender or run easily
I'm Shia we the ppl don't hate each other Sunni and Shia it's just politics it's cuz of the politics
انا مسلم "سني"
بس والله عيب الي يصير، اصلاً لم يذكر لا سني ولا شيعي في القرآن. حسبي الله علي هذي التفرقه السخيفة.
What really caused all of this was when the Arab states first closed off the oil to the US leading the problems back stateside American vowed to never let it happen again but nowadays we don't really need the world's oil we use Texas
Found the CIA agent
@@orlandosonicbloom6961 I mean he isn’t wrong, OPEC caused a gas crisis in the US during the 70s leading the US to greatly increase its presence there to avoid it happening again.
Global oil supply and access greatly affects US oil prices and is the reason for cheap oil
I feel like Tommy's channel is built on half HOI4 gameplay and half shitting on the US
Tommy kinda misses the point that gassing your own citizens shouldn't go unpunished, sure they didn't have the means to make a nuke but chemical weapons in the hands of someone who has started multiple wars themselves is what they call in international politics "a problem"
🇺🇸 was just to invade Iraq and finish what was started in GW1... 🇺🇸 had many reasons to invade and it was not just about nukes; Sadam had full capability to build them and even provided the west with proof he has full knowledge of how to build them but kept saying he's not trying to; for a very long time Sadam kept refusing full nuclear inspections thus lead to strong suspicions; though very suspicious the west did know Sadam didn't have the bomb though it had a nuclear program... Thus, Iraq having nukes was more of an overexaggeration but not completely without merit... The same nuclear specialist who later helped NK gain theirs first sought after Sadam but Sadam refused the help thinking it was a Cia plot... Main reasons for invasion was Iraq's genocide of the kurds, use of chemicals weapons (a weapon of mass destruction), the extreme torture and murder of 10s of thousands of Iraqis leaving many in mass graves, also Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Iraqi ppl, and other nations for decades begging 🇺🇸 to finally deal with Sadam... The wmd bit was just a add on to spark more support... Also the chance to demonstrate 🇺🇸 power after 9/11 as in afgan war it's hard to demonstrate 🇺🇸 power and Iraq allowed for a better visual... ontop of all that is the decades of 🇺🇸 hatred for Sadam and 🇺🇸 presidents hated for him... FYI Sadam wanted to restore the Babylon empire which he could've done had he instead chose to invade Arabia instead of just Kuwait... The oil nonsense is just ignorant ppls explanations of something they know nothing about; how does spending a couple trillion to take a few billion in oil make sense? Obviously it doesn't and ever military in history uses loot/booty/captured resources to offset the cost of war thus US would be fully just to do so... GW2 was fully justified and so was the first few years of peacekeeping mission; thus first 3 years just but the remaining decades not so per the Iraqi ppl failed to unite regardless of the opportunity US gave them... vast vast majority of lives lost in Iraq were from infighting and Muslims fighting and killing other muslims for for has control over other muslims (thus not the US fault)...
"Just come together and bring the sword to the infidel"
Alhamdulillah
There are rules against attacking civilian objects but i mean America never cared bout that, I mean Afganistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea and Serbia, they destroyed everything they could hit
And in two certain japanese cities that were totally military targets and not a huge warcrime...
@@MatthiasDrinksH20 Hiroshima and Nagasaki where military targets, Dresden in Germany too.
But nobody remembers the residential area fire bombings of Tokyo, as an example.
There is no nice way to wage modern war. Iraqi, Argentinean, Russian and so on. Still place their weapons next to schools.
@The Kingdom of Jerusalem Americans could have waited for 1 day hence the soviets declared war on the night b4 the bombings but allies couldnt allow Soviet troops to march into another capital b4 them
@@pointlessupdate Sure you can. Its called Total War. In Area Bombing you target residential areas in order to kill the workers for the factories. Lowering war time production, and theoretically public/army morale as well. One of the reasons for this being that targeting the actual factories was near impossible.
Everyone knows about Dresden, but Hamburg was even worse. Considering it was a city with low Nazi support from the start. Its bombing was a long planned and meticulous campaign. Working the high winds of the area against its civilian population in the fire bombing.
It was controversial then, its controversial now. But the fact remains that Dresden was a major hub of military logistics and production. It was a military target, but in order to take it out. You took out the entire city.
@@pointlessupdate We live under the same rules in our time as well. Should a nuclear war happen, your city with all its inhabitants will be targeted. Just because of that important chemical factory within its limits.
Can someone please make him watch 'the fallen of world war 2' by Neil Halloran. Best ww2 video stats wise ... really gets me thinking ;)
he has already seen it, i tipped him about it and he said that. dont think he reacted to it
2:19 twitch is the same way... how did we let these idiots get in control of our media platforms? Also how does Tommy not realize the parallels to twitch in what he is saying?
They’re private companies
@@qwerty30013 Listen to what he is saying again. Just because something is within someone's rights doesn't mean they SHOULD do it. Should people be racist just because they have the right to think freely? The point is that Tommy was being hypocritical and that we almost all choose platforms which restrict our speech. I am not saying we should have the government come in and tell them what they can and cannot do, I am saying we should collectively grow a brain and support platforms which A. promote free speech and B. support the content creators. Like old youtube.
@@qwerty30013 Also, if a company refuses to sell to people with dark skin just because they are black, do you still stand by your statement?
I have narrowed you down into either a racist or a hypocrite.
23:40 history is not written by the Victor's, at least not in the modern world. Its written by historians who use several primary and secondary sources and determine with common sense and logic to give an accurate and reliable account of what happened
Nah bro it's written by Victor ever heard of criticism against the USA? Nah because they wrote the history
@@haideramvs3891 bro wtf?! are you seriously suggesting that there is no widespread criticism of the US?
@@haideramvs3891 ever heard of the clean Wehrmacht and rommel myth?
@@haideramvs3891 Bro never really see the “US is the bad guy” statement before
Tommy should watch extra credits history
I think the bismarck series would be hella interesting for him
extra credits is cringe. their take on BF5 and "nazis" literally killed their channel for me
God no their cleopatra video showed they have no interest in actual history
how many times is he gonna upload today
holy shit this is a hard watch with tommys chat spouting off the least informed takes on the planet while tommy actually listens to them. at this point he shpuld know his chat is made up of hoi4 historians who know as much as him but think they know more
5:10 You install capitalism and give BP 80%-100% of the oil share.
This. Also the whole story of Saddam Hussein is rarely told in the West. Iran once was a democracy that elected a man named Mohammad Mossadegh who wanted to separate religion and state. He also thought that the UK shouldn't profit from other countrie's national resources, so he attempted to nationalize the Ango-Iranian Oil Company. The CIA put him out of office in 1953 and replaced him with a pro-west monarch, Reza Pahlavi, who let western companies exploit iranian oil field. He also enacted many reforms to forcefully modernize and westernize Iran (including women's rights, which I don't condemn, that's good but it's still no excuse to get rid of the legitimate president and let westerners exploit your country's resources, also Mossadegh was the type of guy to allow more women's rights as well). Then they had the Iranian Revolution where shia radicals around Ayatollah Chomenei took over the country and turned it into the terrible clerical dictatorship Iran is today.
That was in 1976, and it only took the west 4 years until Hussein was expected to invade Iran in an attempt to stop the revolution and reinstall a pro-west regime in 1980, this is the beginning of the first gulf war. Ended with a cease-fire in 1988. Iraq was in extreme debt, Hussein was promised to gain a lot of wealth from the iranian oíl, but the US didn't care about him, they just used him to do the dirty work. So to lower the debt, Hussein invaded Kuwait to demand the cancellation of foreign debt, since from his perspective, he had been betrayed (not saying he WAS betrayed, just explaining his motives).
So it really all justs starts with greed and a lack of responsibility towards other nations.
@@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862 I agree with the most of it. Cold War politics were brutal, but you gotta give we’re credit is due the US has changed a lot to the point their energy self sufficient in the case of a crisis. Americans learn really good from crisis and hardships and improve on them. US doesn’t go gun ad hoc as much. We’re two decades in and we don’t have as many US invasions as before as in the Cold War
al-qeuda did not come from saudi guys it came from afganistan and was formed by osama in afganistan whilst he was fighting the soviets, osama was saudi but al-queda is not.
"US school teach hard-core nationalism" LOL what is this dude talking about. That is so not true. At least in the 3 states I attended school.
My dad was a ranger and a Green Beret and served in Iraq, though after the war. I will always remember a interaction I had with him where I told him how evil our country was and that the flag didn't deserve respect. He was crushed and so disappointed. He tried to explain to me why the flag should be respected and why he fought and served for 20 years. I was taught those ideas in public school. I wish we taught some nationalism in schools.
The government can be evil not the country though
should check out the War photography who pictured her own death, was a mortar that blew up in the tube
35:45 Real ARMA hours right here
Best quote in video game history was General Shepherd MW2 “history is written by the victors, let’s get to work”.
Sadaam totally had a trial. It was all over the news here, one of my earliest news memories actually.
Yeah trial given by the people who took up arms against him , I wonder if he will serve 10 years
@Gas Enjoyer... it was ran solely by the Iraqi ppl and countless ppl gave testimony against him; all the crimes laid against him in court were a fraction of the crimes he committed thus why they hanged him rightfully so
MT, it was crazy to see the Iraqi ppls reaction as even though Sadam had utter lost everything, they were still extremely fearful of him
@@murtadhaalkenani3876 who else is supposed to do the trial then every one in iraq hated him every ethnicity hated him theres literally not a single person in iraq without a bias towards or against him
i hate censorship in youtube.
As long as adequate steps were taken to minimize casualties, and the targets were not civilian, it is generally considered not a war crime under international law.
@Fuck TH-cam then that’s a war crime
As if the international law means something to begin with, literally nobody is stopping or reporting the US war crimes
My father work their as a OFW In 2000s he have like few recorded videos during his time there on his old laptop
The twitch chat didn't tell you, but a lot of the people who were responsible for missed air strikes ended up receiving dishonorable discharges
Mfs deserved life sentences just for participating in this massacre
Also that many times civilians took shelter in Iraqi military building unknowingly to us forces especially after US warned all civilians to leave conflict areas... also the the vast majority of civilian deaths are from infighting of the Iraqi ppl not the US attacking them; also that Iraqi informants very often gave false intel reports for money or to solve personal or religious grudges; also that a very common theme was insurgents dressed in civilian clothes attacking 🇺🇸 troops then after the battle Iraqi ppl take the weapons then play it off as if 🇺🇸 just murdered masses of ppl
at that year my only wish was to sleep without hearing booms or tanks battle
It does get annoying after a while
Markoni.....
Hi ;) Come here often?
Too much
10:40 this shit be soundin like a clean version of an eminem song
I was laughing hard while tommy said why sadam didnt just surrender , and the twicht donation with "pussy" sound came on :D
good thing I watched before TH-cam censored it.
The Iraq war and the recent fall of Afghanistan are strong lessons against nation building and regime change wars.
Bruh the us in Iraq declared war “illegally” and went in their killing and butchering civilians and the military saying that Iraq had “wEaPoNs oF mAsS deStRUsctIoN” while Iraq had none
@@bigchungus6320 Exactly, I'm on the same side as you on this issue. The entire Bush administration and all involved parties in the coalition should be charged with war crimes. They were there to depose Saddam Hussein and install a puppet government using the lie that he had WMDs
@@bigchungus6320 saddam did have chemical weapons, but they had degraded by 1993. It was the US that sold saddam the weapons during the Iran-Iraq war
No, it's just how they went about doing it
agree on this youtube censor is just ridiculous.
how is the Kuwait invasion justified like wtf man Kuwaits populationm was like 300,000 and after the war it was like 200,000 .I am a Kuwaiti and I know many stories about the wars such as rapes, civiliwan deaths , destroyed the infrastructure . And still people say the invasion was justified . One more story is that there was a famiily that left to go to Saudi Arabia got their child stolen and other poeople found him with no eyes and skinny like a stick . And if you call Saddam wanting more oil and want to expand more a justification you are probably from Tommy's chat
GW1/2 were not only justified but were long overdue... most ppl in 🇺🇸 and the world are completely ignorant to the history of the conflicts and what actually took place thus they bash the US out of their ignorance and don't even care to know the truth... I remember watch GW1 on TV in school wishing I could've been there to help but when I became of age I finally got the chance to finish what was started in GW1
Bro, hast komlett die 100K Civilian Casualties übersehen haha
Jump to 2:25 to skip sponsor, jump to 4:12 to skip Tommy chitchat before the video starts
tnx but i seen twich we seen wat the us did to my home
The invasion was reletively quick, but the entire Iraq War was a decade long slog. I mean after Suddam's regime fell, militia, terrorist groups, military remnents, inflicted suprisingly high amounts of losses on American forces. One of the worst was Fallujah where just under 100 Americans Died and another 500+ wounded.
tommy knowledge of geopolitics or history is as sad as it could be, no offense.
I disagree, I think you are brainwashed
@@MrMichaelBCurtis i disagree with you and think you are brainwashed considering many things hin and his chat said in this video were flat out false
@@Link-ni2rp typical liberal, zero support for any opinion, while i support your right to have a different view, when you cannot support it i have no respect for it at all.
@@MrMichaelBCurtis ? Im not a liberal lol im saying that most if what tommy and his xhat said was dead wrong and just the "oh they want oil" stupid shit they always use
@@Link-ni2rp okay so you explained your opinion, that makes more sense, and I respect your using your brain to convey your thoughts, also i apologize for insulting you by calling you a liberal. And as the USA is the biggest oil exporter when we don't have a senile fool running things, trying to get more oil out of other countries would LOWER the value of our oil, so what liberals say about everything being about oil makes no sense
Yeah they had a trial on the tensile strength of the rope.
MARKONI WHAT ARE YOU DOING
So many uploads??
What's going on brother, you look like you're setting your affairs in order before departing forever or something weird of the kind! what is this!
Much love and rakja to you from Paris
The war didnt really cost that much because once you add up the oil and other resources acquired, and Iraqi government finances seized, that covered a lot of it. But that didnt stop the US military budget rising
?? We didn’t get that much money ... I think we only seized a couple billion of assets, which is like 1% of the cost of the war…
As an American who’s father was in all these wars in the Middle East of the past 15 years. This reaction is so hard to watch.
For what reason? Because of Tommy's comments? Or just generally because it made you think about it?
Your father prolly k?ed innocent people like many other american soldiers did.
Why? Genuine question.
FYI, 03 Iraq war (GW2) was a just war and we had many reasons to Finally finish GW1; the years of peacekeeping mission after the war ended in 04 were also just but after the 3rd year unnecessary; it was a grace for the Iraqi ppl that we stayed so long while they got their shit together but they never did thus why we finally left... The vast vast majority of deaths were caused from iraqi infighting not from US attacking civilians; of the small number of civilians killed by US most were from civilians taking shelter in Iraqi military building unknowingly to 🇺🇸 forces; from Iraqis attacking from populated areas; from missed bombing (civilians were warned to flee conflict areas); from Iraqi informant giving false intel reports for money or to solve personal or religious grudges and using 🇺🇸 to mistake these ppl as a high value target... A very common scene was Iraqi ppl blowing up massive crowds yet 🇺🇸 gets blamed; a other very common scene was insurgents in civilian clothes attacking 🇺🇸 forces then after the fight Iraqis take the weapons then get media to report false claims of 🇺🇸 killing civilians... The actual number of 🇺🇸 unjust killing of civilians is closer to friendly fire mishaps... Majority of ppl in US and the world are utterly clueless as to the actual history of these conflicts and what actually took place... GW1/2 wars were not only just (mostly) but were long overdue
@Jay Belle there were 🇵🇱🇬🇧🇦🇺 soldiers that were involved in Iraq war 2003
Whenever the video was posted back then TH-cam was like really strict with their rules and you couldn't basically say anything that is related to those topics Especially talking about like modern day history stuff about like war in the Middle East and terrorist organizations that's what really got you in trouble with the TH-cam algorithm
the fact they have to bleep out 9/11 to not get demonetized says everything about youtube wanting to rewrite history to their liking
You're delusional, it's about maximising profit not rewriting history
@@damnationdan5253 wait you say i’m delusional but you don’t think they are also trying to rewrite history? despite they push out leftist propaganda and have banned people for questioning cdc, removing nelk boys video with trump. Are you a democrat/leftist?
My grandpa was in the First gulf war.
Cool
Great war
the guy who made the false accusations that Iraq has mass destruction weapons, just apologized and said it’s the low point of his career as if the people that got killed were just an accident
And you think he meant that?
Colin Powell?
Did he suffered any consequence or just another US war crime under the rug
They weren't false accusations just over exaggerations of the truth; there was numerous reasons US finally finished GW1 as was always going to happen; the over exaggeration of wmds was just an add on... the vast vast majority of deaths were caused by Iraqi infighting thus not the US fault
@KZR_ 161 there was no war crime thus no consequences
Tommy also see hadam Hussein on south park
Tommy said idgaf about this being teared down xD
Also supposed to be "over the horizon cover"
Lol! What oil did we get?
Distablizing region selling guns with expensive prices and keep it up till no mind or economical resource is left bro obvious
@@akiamini4006 middle east was already extremely unstable since the british and french made syria, iraq and Lebanon to all have very mixed areas with different ethnicities and religions
@@banger2998 before them it was pretty stable with the ottomans in charge
@@banger2998 not for the natives. It was better off for the rich businessmen who could make companies freely and the Brits who could get alot of oil. But the locals saw non of that profit, contrary to your belief the British werent babysitting these people. They were conquering them and making a survival of the fittest whether that helped the natives or not
I think one US company ended up winning a contract for oil, the majority were European, Chinese, and Russian though.
okay whoever said the US is going down germany's path has no idea lol. Teachers DO NOT teach nationalism and imperialism in class wtf
Tommy is such a normie. I hope watching these sorts of videos moves him in the right direction.
How is he a normie?
Do you also have vids that tommy reacts/ cast to the hoi4 tournament?
"How do you deal with this without making it worse"
You don't intervene in the first place, that is their country not ours and they need to find their own way.
I get that but to act like Sadam wasnt a brutal ass dictator is asinine. I feel like if they would have just said we topplinf Sadam for actual crimes against humanity then peooke would have been okay with it.
@@AnonD38 If western liberal democracy truly is the best and ultimate form of the state, then it will find its way in time. If not then the basis for intervention is unsound.
@@PurpleCrownVic I agree Saddam was a brutal dictator, that is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that a country should be free to determine its own future and if that means it wants a radical Islamic regime and they are not launching attacks on the US, then we have no reason to intervene in their business. I think it is pretty clear that the US government doesn't care about brutal dictators or autocrats, they care about money and looking good. The reason why the US government can't lower it's military budget is because it has taken the place as peacekeeper of the world and protects other countries so they don't have to do it themselves. European militaries have effectively become glorified anti-terrorist units and leave all the heavy lifting to the US. The US then needs a massive military to defend the democratic world because nobody is willing to take up their fair share. Thus a massive military industrial complex establishes itself and the revolving door in the pentagon means that they always have sway. Companies like Lockheed Martin have a virtual monopoly on combat aircraft production, and such can charge whatever they want because they know the US will just keep shoveling money to them to keep the system rolling. The US then sees a way to monopolize oil-production and produce even more wealth for itself by taking oil fields in the middle-east. They invade countries and cause even more destabilization and conflict and set countries back decades in economic status. The destabilization then causes protracted conflict and allows a further justification to manufacture more weapons. Now you end with generations of young men in these countries knowing nothing but oppression and death by the militaries of "infidel westerners" and thus create more enemies to fight. The Invasion of Iraq was a means to establish a state sympathetic to the US, drive arms production and capture oil fields, and further the western drive to "bring civility" to "savage" non-liberal democratic nations.
@@PurpleCrownVic he wasn't a brutal ass dictator the media made him look that way the crimes against kurds was because they kept rebelling against him while he was fighting against iran and crimes against shias was because of the ideology of Iran that's it media (government) just likes to talk alot of trash to get the iraqi people on their side
@@alancient8463 he invaded Kuwait?
Iraq had a larger and better equipped army in desert storm than Ukraine at the start of Russian invasion. But Russia couldn’t even establish air dominance. Very different compare to US coalition.
Rus didn't go full out war as it should've and it foolishly tried to secure a quick victory where had they not bumb rushed the capital all of ukr would now be rus; now rus has to wait another year before ukr falls
@@jaybelle1909 I agree, now they must sacrifice another generation. WW2, Afghanistan, and Chechnya have already done in the Russian population. Who will be left generations after?
Iraq was a good excuse for NATO to flex it's muscles, try out new weapons, new gear, new technology and so on. Taught them a lot of important information.
They have been bullying people for years like every nato country
But they did thay in '91
I keep repeating this, the Iraq war WAS NOT NATO
@@tranium67 putin simp, Iraq was not NATO. This is disinfo or simply lack of knowledge
The US’s wars in the last two decades have been unpopular, and have been punching a brick wall when it comes to actually stabilizing and setting up new nations.
But it has been a very important lesson in how to improve your fighting force in a time when you can’t fight conventional wars that much.
We are still top dog as far as military power because we were constantly needing to come up with better equipment and tactics.
So… unfortunately for the victims it was necessary.
Just watch it on their website
I love Tommy's content, but I cringe when he talks about politics/anything non-gaming. One example to show why this is not a good look for him. He just listens to the chat and then walks away with bad takes and a false recount of history. In another example, he shows how much he doesn't know about the subject and reaffirms his false views because half of the chat will just meme him on, thus cementing his bad take. Like with war crimes, which is enforced by the U.N., an international organization that is supposed to enforce the peace, but obviously has 5 major players that just say fk off when things go against them. Tommy then says, and the U.S. wants NATO members to give their fair share to the alliance. Yeah, because it was a voluntary alliance that all members agreed would pay 2% towards defending against the USSR and any other threat. NATO is U.S. led and not a diplomatic organization, it's a military alliance. Not giving your fair share to the alliance means you should get completely ignored when you bitch about what they are doing in it. Imagine being in a farmers' commune and not giving your fair share. Then getting mad that the ones filling in your gaps start dictating what you will eat and Tommy would be there defending the slackers as being oppressed. You do realize that NATO is why Eurofks don't need a large military and can spend it on healthcare or free Uni. Imagine being a child on the international stage who relies on daddy USA to defend them from bully Russia and then complaining about the rules of the house. Don't like it, build your own house. Too bad like most children, you fks don't want to pay for it and so you will just pout in your rooms like the rebel without a cause teen you are.
Yeah i agree i‘m sure tommy is a smart guy but politics are maybe a bit out of his league. Of course i doesn’t mean i am some intellectual.
Agreed, his takes on international affaires are usualy retarded. Also he's extremely biased against the US.
Tommy must have forgotten about Catholics and Protestants before his Sunni vs Shia comment
Sunni v Shia has been going on much longer then Catholic v Protestants, since like the first Fita.
25:03 they were fighting for their country against a foreign invader
they didn't care about the American technological superiority
thats something we Serbs share with Iraqis
@@AnonD38 Spicy
@@AnonD38 I mean, I'm not a fan of the serbs but in WW1 they held off for longer than they should've.
@@AnonD38 what do you expect of Serbia and Montenegro,no one tought that we could win against the entirety of NATO alone but we did succesfuly defended our homes and our borders
it is our politicians that surrendered
serbs didnt fight the americans what are u saying u surrendered immediately
@@andrejapaunic4761 also pls dont make it like you guys were the ones who where on the right you got lucky that you didnt get bombed more
This video truly highlights the similarity between Iraq and Ukraine. Russia is fumbling real bad rn lmao
Yea almost a year later Russia FUMBLED real hard
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I'd like to watch Iraq invasion?
Which one Tommy?? the 2003 version or 2021? lmao
2021?
2021? We already occupy Iraq my dude...
no CB -2 stability
23:00... oh god a German ranting about being labeled the villian... (Spoiler* its because you lost...)
* Sabaton - Panzer Batallion starts playing *
America makes enough of its own oil to not need any foreign supplement, but our buddies in Europe aren’t so lucky and it’s cheaper to pipe it from the Middle East rather than ship it from America
I love watching tommy struggle with politics haahaah
15:47 IM DYING
45:19 shia was originally a political group not an islam sect
Civilians who were killed in the Iraq war were kill a LOT by the IRAQ military. AND if you consider all the armor the IRAQ army lost it is WAY underreported, they probably lost hundreds of thousands.
So you're stating that America bombing Iraq hundreds of times wasn't the reason why hundreds of thousands of people died. people how were killed by the iraq military were just against Saddam Hussein which was 10% of iraq's population and it's wrong but the 10% of the population left Iraq before the war cause the knew what was coming .although both sides did really bad things its just war works
@@personaltreat5472 huh? yes the bombing was on the military units mostly out of the city, and the city bombing was not indiscriminate the USA has very accurate bombs that destroyed military targets. as for the size of the Iraq military it was estimated to be around 300,000 and the population was over 38 million, so I don't know where you got the numbers but they are not real.
many americans enlisted in the military not because of oil but because of 9/11. most felt pride to join and fight back and others joined because of rage and hate that americans were brutally murdered, while the government went for oil.
It was still because of 9/11 let's not forget that
9:27 here is your answer:
🅾️peration
ℹ️raqi
🇱iberation
We just didn’t get the oil though…
I love armchair historican to!