Lelouch is both the hero and the villain of the series, he is both an idealist and a cynic, he acts the most rational as well as the most emotional. How fitting that in the end he is both dead and alive.
H. Sch. Very well said. It was pretty obvious that Lelouch lived as you just stated. With that being said, it's funny that a lot of people stiol believe that he got killed by Suzaku and that was the end of him.
Surprisingly enough, there are people on the Internet that will have a practically nuclear meltdown if you try and argue that Lelouch's is alive. I mean, people can believe what they want, but the arguments can get nasty. Personally, though, I believe he's alive.
code geass has tons of moments with foreshadowing and double meanings, and hidden meanings, and all that stuff. ever since a few moments prior to charles death, lelouch and the story itself has hinted at lelouch stealing code from charles the most notable of which is the final scene with cc on the carriage, the second most notable is lelouch using a code only power to show his memories to nunally when he was about to die, and the third most notable was his conversation with suzaku when he instructed him about the entirety of zero requium there are many more points which prove that zero has code, but those 3 are the biggest ones, if you can understand the fancy talk that is damn confusing in code geass
there was never any proof of there only being 2 codes. If anything, there might even be ways for a fully activated geass to transcend and become a code, but we don't know
Greatest part of this is the fact of how far ahead Lelouche was thinking by saying "You will obey ZERO", knowing he was going to "die" and let Suzaku take up the title of Zero.
BTDKING incorrect. Lelouch's mom had a Geass that allowed her consciousness to go Into that of another which is why she was part of the pink haired girl and why that girl had no memory. But when She was erased the girl never got her memorys back until Jeremiah used his Geass canceler. Hell as far as we know that one girl still draws a tally on the schools wall every day.
There's a few cases where he clearly anticipated the jist of what Schiezel would say, but I love how Lelouch mostly just bullshitted philosophically in a way that let him guide the "conversation" the way he wanted it. You don't have to guess what someone will say when you can put the words in their mouth.
yeah, you can tell it's not perfect, with how sometimes lelouch pauses longer than normal, or interrupts schniezel in the middle of his explanation. It's not perfect, but still done in a way that schniezel doesn't realize and the viewers still see it as believable
@Itachi Is Invincible not itachi, itachi is not comparable at all other than maybe looking like a villain to your younger sibling and the rest of the world for their own good
He could just tell him afterwards to serve Suzaku. And Schneizel probably wouldn't think of Suzaku as Zero anyways, he knows it's Lelouch. Otherwise, anyone can put on that costume and he'll serve them.
Not just a country a full blown superpower with supernatural abilities at its disposal hell on ice he even managed to save god/the afterlife from destruction and allowed the universe to continue that is one Messiah of a man ALL HAIL LELOUCH
an anti-hero is not a villian, one of the definitions is: a hero who lacks a typical moral code or is willing to break his own moral code for the greater good (like Lelouch killing/sacrificing innocents to create a better world)
George Nottas That's it right? :P Lelouche doesn't care about making his hands dirty on the road to his goal. To defeat evil one must become the greater evil. If there was an evil in this world justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you stay steadfast and righteous even if that means surrendering to evil?
@@xnortheast1106 , if there were no wars between Britannia and Japan Lelouch unlike Light Yagami would still be the wealthiest person in the world without ever getting any form of education, and he’d be the wealthiest person of all time through gambling, so that would mean the person that’d make the best Marine Officer, or the person remaining the best police officer of all time would be Rolo if there were no wars between Britainnia and Japan because Lelouch unlike Light Yagami never cared about academics and wanting to be the person that rid the world through the legal manner of doing so because Lelouch was the person that said fuck the system and fuck the world because he’s the ultimate badass unlike Light Yagami.
I also find the fact that Lelouch telling Shneizel to kill himself would only be allowing Shneizel to win, since Shneizel didn't care if he died, making Shneizel bow and serve Lelouch, or Zero however, is much more of a defeat than simply being killed, Shneizel was enslaved.
+Nathan L Nunnely somehow broke free from Charle's Geass after his death so its possible that Geass can be broken by sheer will or Geass will be weaken if the source dies
Well aware I am responding to a 2 year old comment, but I just need to say my piece. Schnizel was indeed a difficult enemy but I wouldn't say he was Lelouch's toughest enemy as he was ultimately able to defeat him. No, that honor would go to Euphie who, at the end of the day, Lelouch ultimately lost to. Lelouch was a mastermind who had everything under control 9/10 out of ten, but the SAZ massacre was a complete accident which was made only after Lelouch had conceded and Euphie had dropped her guard. If geass were not involved, the entire rebellion would have been quashed by Euphie's act of passivism.
@@guncannon109 Euphie was backed by Schnizel. She was able to get the Special Administrative Zone approved mainly thanks to him. Euphie genuinely wanted peace but Schnizel had ulterior motives. He supported Euphemia because it would effectively defeat the Black Knights which it did. The supporters of the black knights and even its own members signed up for the Special Administrative Zone of Japan.
I like to imagine Lelouch recorded a whole lot of random replies and labeled buttons for what one of his subjects should push to play those specific responses.
blastoise charmander Its Actually quite realistic. Rewatch from the start of the Clip. Every time Lelouch Talks in the Recording, each Sentence is a Genrealized Statement, Followed by a Pause (Allowing Schneizel to Respond), then Lelouch gives an even BROADER Statement Refering to his previous statement as to which doesn't answer anything his Brother ever says. As you watch, you can see that Schneizel is Pausing for when Lelouch is Talking. There is no Predicitve Mind Games here. Schneizel just got played is all.
Thinks about it you can maybe do that in real world but the thing is you need to make your opponent believe it was a live recording and imo that is an easy task for someone as intelligent as Lelouch
I don't find the words be what's impossible here. All Lelouch had to do was predict his way of thinking, and make an occasional response to a list of things Schneizel could say. Such as when Lelouch said "Schneizel.. You truly are superior." There's a whole LIST of things Schneizel could've said before Lelouch said that, and that response from Lelouch would fit perfectly. A mock conversation like this wouldn't be hard to pull off. However.. Lelouch's timing.. Can't argue that is impossible
Funny that he only used it twice...then again, since he used them against his "greatest" adversaries (Mao with his Mind Reading and Schneizel his true antithesis), I suppose that makes sense he only used this trick twice.
Two hyperintelligent teenage boys (with powerful fathers) living in Japan receive a supernatural power from a near-immortal being with an affinity with one particular type of food. The power they receive allows them to kill or control anyone under certain conditions, and they use it to attempt to bring peace to the world while also temporarily taking it over themselves. In their mission they assemble a loyal squad of subordinates including a super-hot girl with a unique and highly useful ability, and a representative to act as a halfway point between themselves and the rest of the world. Unfortunately their mission almost ends before it begins as they lose their memories, and the goals and ambitions that came with them. Luckily he regains his memories and reassembles his squad just in time to get back on track. While all this is happening they must also hide their identity and maintain an anonymous persona, however in the end everyone finds out who they really are, and shortly after they die.
If anyone thinks light or L id smarter then lelouch is wrong, lelouch literally anticipated the entire conversation to win, he's definatly one of the most intelligent anime character's in history
For those that are saying that the geass would have stopped after Lelouch had died. Even with his memory lost and after his death, the girl he used his geass on to mark the wall was still doing it. You can look it up but I read somewhere where the girl had been moved to Britannia and would try to go back to make the cross marks on the wall everyday. She eventually had to be admitted into psychiatric care.
Well you could say that the geass was never undone because....... spoiler Well ig it is a spoiler but it's been years so it should be fine, but anyways theres the obscure chance that Lelouch never truly died as seen during the final credits of the sub version of Code Geass
@@thatoneguycisco5412did you watch the movie? You’re right, he didn’t die. C.C hints at it in the finale with what she says at the end. But the movie is about resurrecting him
Actually his method was simply to guide the conversation. Lelouch whenever he started a recording always started off first. It becomes easier to predict when you run the conversation.
I love how Lelouch orders Schneizel to serve Zero instead of Lelouch, meaning whoever has Zero's ideology or has inherited Zero's will Schneizel will serve that person
I mean he didn't really anticipate his thoughts, if you listen to lelouch they are mostly stand alone phrases, and towards the end where it is back and forth he is mostly responding to himself. Very clever but I wouldn't say anticipated his responses, just that Schneizel was prepared to die
+Sean Mason no dude smartest is light .. lights intelligence is 9 and L intelligence is 8 .. even near is smarter than L with intelligence 9 .. so exact order is light=near>lelouch>L
+Sean Mason and in all of them lelouch is best tactician, light has best raw intelligence and L has best plans and instinct !! so overall L may be better than Light but in intelligence light is above everyone .. even author said so
I think that in this scene Lelouch states the central message of the show. Charles, Lelouch, and Schneizel all want the same thing, an end to war and discrimination. But while Charles and Schneizel believe that this can be accomplished by force, Lelouch believes that people can attain peace on their own. Because although they might fail time and time again, though it my take ages, people will continue to strive towards happiness, and eventually they will build a better world. As martin luther king said, "the moral arc of the universe is long but bends towards justice"
Something that gets overshadowed by everything else is just how much of a master Lelouch is at profiling people both individuals and societies. He was only able to build the Black Knights because he knew who he could trust, who needs corrosion and what motivates his targets. Dietard for example was someone who is clearly unstable but because Lelouch knows what made Dietard tick he was easy to leash. You very rarely see such masterful emotional manipulation out of a non-villain it goes against the concept of freedom that the heroes fight for. Someone I could compare Lelouch to would be Palpatine from Star Wars for just how many steps ahead of the game they are compared to everyone else. It is a blast to watch.
..and so ends Schneizel's conscious memory. For as long as his Geass is active, he will only know his orders. And we never did learn if there was a limit on how long a Geass lasts.
@@matthewhelland9258 That's because his command was different. Suzaku's order was "live". Schneizal's order was "serve Zero". We see at the beginning of Re;surrection that Schneizal is *still* serving Zero under his Geass. Suzaku isn't constantly controlled by his Geass because his life isn't constantly in danger.
@@jedimasterpickle3 Servants don't do their jobs constantly either. I'm sure Schneizel has some independence as long as he doesn't try to actively betray Zero.
@@matthewhelland9258 If his Geass wasn't active, Schneizal would move against Zero. That conflicts with the order to "serve Zero". Even if he's not always at Zero's side, he's under his command. He can have a day off and still be serving Zero. The only time the Geass would be inactive is if Jeremiah canceled it.
Funny how Lelouche Geassing Schnezel would give him a ambition for his life. Schneizel once said somthing along the lines of how lelouche has not mastered the proper way of deseption yet, as for him Lelouche cannot properly mask himself, but you take the mask from Schnezel away and you ultmately see nothing. You just see a guy that goes with the flow and just accompished what the majority wants for him in his own way, in other world an empty existence.
That's dedication right there. There's got to be some special contact lens treatment, tech or hidden pocket receptacle or something that makes the process easier, faster and pain free if not less of a pain.
What i like most about this scene is that it's that required "if it was the old me, I would've lost, but my experience and your negligence led to my victory" scene. I didn't initially think this series would have one, especially after the black knights turned on Zero.
For a man who never feared death, Schneizel never even considered the possibility that would have been a fate in store for him that was worse than death. A slave. Serving the will of someone who you do not agree with.
I started playing chess long before watching this show, but now, I'm relearning with the goal to actually GIT GUD at playing it. Chessmaster 9000 for windows, anyone?
Josef Adama I guess that's why they're called the "Black Knights." Their leader is straight up gangsta. Ohgi: Oh shit, nigga! Yo ass is Britannian? Tamaki: What did I tell ya, bro? Ya can't trust that Zero bitch! Lelouch: Wait, dog, I can explain! Kallen: Yo, don't even TRY soundin' Japanese, you lil' shit!
Lelouche's choice of words are believable in this scene, but the problem is with timing. In one or two instances they did show lelouche taking a pause, but it was'nt exemplified enough, except for one pause. They also tried to show him cutting off Snizel, but not really. If perhaps the creators had worked on this scene a bit more to work with the timing, it would have turned this scene into a true cherry on top brilliance of showing off lelouche's intelligence one last time. But okay, I still love the scene.
He could just hear it from headphone wire, press pause remotely and put video short video between his vague statements, since he just sitting on a chair at the same pose, transition could be flawless.
I agree with what you’re saying that this scene, although great, would have benefited more if they had altered some of the timings a bit or shown afterwards someone was pausing and playing, but this wasn’t the last example of his genius. The Zero Requiem plan hadn’t been revealed yet.
One small detail I just noticed: the reason shneizel was able to continue talking undisturbed while Zero sneaked up behind him was that the controlled guards incapacitated dietard and the other guy with Refrain. You can see one of them holding the needle “gun” @2:01
Of all the karmic deaths, Diethard alone deserved his shameful end. No loyalty, no integrity. No one mourned his death. Even Lelouch found him too pathetic and loathsome to bother honoring his last request of being Geassed.
I like the fact that the will of Schneizel of sacrificing himself is linked to his pride and vanity, while for Lelouch is the total opposite. And he even negates that like "nope I'm not prideful guy I just want to help people🤥" Mantaining peace by lying is better than being hypocrite.
From predicting the thoughts of someone who doesn't need to resort to cunning (Mao), to someone who's arguably the most cunning person in the show apart from Lelouch himself (Schniezel).
it's amazing how he had to predict Schneizel's reactions and had to come up with perfect responses my guess is that Lelouch knew him well enough what his thoughts were, but wouldn't know the exact words he'd choose, so he had to appropriate his responses to be just detailed enough where they could be seen as believable responses to Schneizel's to sell the illusion Lelouch was there and what's a nice detail is that this was built up to since their Chess match when he was Zero, at the time he wasn't ready to face and beat his brother, now he's managed to out play him and stay ahead enough for him to pull this kind of maneuver.
I remember watching this for the first time and I was like, "Damn! Him too?!" But watching it back after seeing the ending, he really had no room to talk here. He chose to do the story on Zero and follow him up til this point. It's not Lelouch's fault that their ideals didn't align in the end. And plus, he really did jump to conclusions as Lelouch said. He had no right to judge before seeing the end result.
No one could kill lelouch but he killed himself by ordering suzaku to kill Lelouch, overall He was very Emotional & good character, he had good and bad sides but NO ONE CAN MATCH HIS GOOD SIDES. He is one of the best MCs of all Anime. Loved this anime and MC
lol I'm sure they knew he was a genius but Schneizel thought himself to be more of a genius which made him too cocky, I still think Lelouch is more intelligent but Schneizel wasn't so far behind, if he was more alert and thought everything as carefully as Lelouch I'm sure it would have been even harder for Lelouch to win, but I believe he would pull it off nonetheless.
schniezel always said that lelouch couldnt win against him because he knew him too well but he didnt know how well lelouch knew him and what he would answer.
I liked Diethard before he betrayed Lelouch. I mean, he always seemed shady, but i didn't think he would join the rest of the traitorous Black Knights. Hell, even Tamaki was more loyal than him in the discussion with Schneizel.
Yeah, Diethard was a surprisingly intriguing character, and I really enjoyed how he wanted to be at the center of the changing world. Shame that even his amazement and loyalty could be bought by another. But I guess all of the Black Knights were going to side against a man who manipulated them all. Ohgi, Kallen, Tamaki, Tohdoh... No wonder when, the moment Diethard was shot and knew he was as good as dead, Lelouch wouldn't even give him the comfort of having him "finish him off with his Geass". Lelouch outright said that doing so would be a waste of time. Yeah, he was a sleazy, immoral scumbag of a journalist, but man, Lelouch was cold as freak here. No mercy to traitors.
It's a curious thing to consider about this scene. Lelouch took Shnizel (King), but only once he'd secured and disarmed Nanaly (Queen) did he achieve checkmate.
This is one of the scene which was like too over the top. Like predicting everything, that's just impossible, so I just took it as some magic trick in circus to feel satisfied😊😊
Nah, pay attention to Lelouch's responses and he's basically just rambling facts towards Schneizel. He didn't really need to anticipate his responses, but rather the way he thinks, and Lelouch already knows what type of person Schneizel is as his brother, so that wouldn't be hard for someone of the former's intelligence. The anticipation of Schneizel's responses don't have to be on the dot, it's just a general thing. You can even see where Lelouch changes the subjects a few times like how he guilt tripped Schneizel for being a prince and looking down on people. So at the end of the day, Schneizel's responses didn't matter because the conversation would be continued regardless, for just enough time to sneak up on him. It's the timing that was a little over the top, not the response anticipation. Some of the timings are possible if you guess how long it'd take to respond depending on the question/statement, but theres about one or two timings that's a little crazy to guess. Maybe Lelouch just didn't care if Schneizel interrupted him since the conversation wouldn't be that long; by the time Schneizel got suspicious of the interruptions, Lelouch would've already gotten to him.
Would've maybe been cooler if they had drawn out more the strategic battle between Lelouch and Schniezel since that was really interesting... Anyway, still great....
+Teron The Gorefiend well I didn't know that but I what I meant was that pain wanted to use the tailed beadts as a deterrent for people to not do bad things. schniezel had the same plan but with the damocles(fleija warheads)
Also Obito wanted to cast a genjutsu to all people on earth is basically what Charles wanted to do with his ragnarok connection. And lelouch becoming the symbol of hatred is what sasuke was planning to do at the end when he wanted to become hokage !
TheMegaUzumaki Yeah got your point but just wanted to say the similarities are that in a sense when sasuke wanted to become hokage, not one choosen and acknowleged by his people but a dictator who can get his hand dirten and get rid of previous society (stop the system of hokage by starting a revolution)... it had me remember lelouch, dedicating his own life in a extreme way for their perception of a good world. Not sure i am clear but anyways, sasuke dont reach a level of characterisation like lelouch
"Schnizel, Schniezel, Schhnizel... It's like my mother always used to say. You can keep all your farts in a bag, but you'll never truly appreciate the first time you let it rip."
Lelouch is both the hero and the villain of the series, he is both an idealist and a cynic, he acts the most rational as well as the most emotional. How fitting that in the end he is both dead and alive.
H. Sch. Very well said. It was pretty obvious that Lelouch lived as you just stated. With that being said, it's funny that a lot of people stiol believe that he got killed by Suzaku and that was the end of him.
Bebop doubtable, there always was two codes and always should be.
Surprisingly enough, there are people on the Internet that will have a practically nuclear meltdown if you try and argue that Lelouch's is alive. I mean, people can believe what they want, but the arguments can get nasty.
Personally, though, I believe he's alive.
code geass has tons of moments with foreshadowing and double meanings, and hidden meanings, and all that stuff. ever since a few moments prior to charles death, lelouch and the story itself has hinted at lelouch stealing code from charles
the most notable of which is the final scene with cc on the carriage, the second most notable is lelouch using a code only power to show his memories to nunally when he was about to die, and the third most notable was his conversation with suzaku when he instructed him about the entirety of zero requium
there are many more points which prove that zero has code, but those 3 are the biggest ones, if you can understand the fancy talk that is damn confusing in code geass
there was never any proof of there only being 2 codes. If anything, there might even be ways for a fully activated geass to transcend and become a code, but we don't know
"Sorry Diethard. You're just not worth using my Geass on."
Fucking savage.
Not even "using", he said using it on him would be *wasting* it 😂😭😆💀
They Told Me I Could Become Anything, So I became an Eggplant hahahahah
Loved that moment
He incinerated that man.
Well, you can't say Diethard didn't have it coming.
Greatest part of this is the fact of how far ahead Lelouche was thinking by saying "You will obey ZERO", knowing he was going to "die" and let Suzaku take up the title of Zero.
All fine and dandy until a nutjob gets a hold of a zero costume or imposter giving orders to which schneizel will obey.
JesusforLife2 Schneizel doesn't become braindead when under Geass.He'll follow the one who he believes is the real Zero.
You do when when a guy with geass dies all his powers who he used on people will vanish a way .. right ?
BTDKING that's why he's alive
BTDKING incorrect. Lelouch's mom had a Geass that allowed her consciousness to go Into that of another which is why she was part of the pink haired girl and why that girl had no memory. But when She was erased the girl never got her memorys back until Jeremiah used his Geass canceler. Hell as far as we know that one girl still draws a tally on the schools wall every day.
There's a few cases where he clearly anticipated the jist of what Schiezel would say, but I love how Lelouch mostly just bullshitted philosophically in a way that let him guide the "conversation" the way he wanted it. You don't have to guess what someone will say when you can put the words in their mouth.
yeah, you can tell it's not perfect, with how sometimes lelouch pauses longer than normal, or interrupts schniezel in the middle of his explanation. It's not perfect, but still done in a way that schniezel doesn't realize and the viewers still see it as believable
@Lelouch Vi Britannia Batman is still better ,you know why because' he is batman'😂
@@sahilsinghrautela743 batfag
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@Itachi Is Invincible not itachi, itachi is not comparable at all other than maybe looking like a villain to your younger sibling and the rest of the world for their own good
Always love the fact that he said "Serve Zero" and not "Serve me" so that when Suzaku ended up becoming Zero, Schneizel would still serve him
Yassss
BRUHHHHH!
Nice catch. Yes
Wow I didn’t realize that
He could just tell him afterwards to serve Suzaku. And Schneizel probably wouldn't think of Suzaku as Zero anyways, he knows it's Lelouch. Otherwise, anyone can put on that costume and he'll serve them.
Lelouch is one of greatest main characters ever
+Gilbert1668 and anti-heroes
+night shroud96 he was the hero
+night shroud96 He destroyed the world in order to save it. Another words a hero and an anti-hero.
Not just a country a full blown superpower with supernatural abilities at its disposal hell on ice he even managed to save god/the afterlife from destruction and allowed the universe to continue that is one Messiah of a man ALL HAIL LELOUCH
an anti-hero is not a villian, one of the definitions is: a hero who lacks a typical moral code or is willing to break his own moral code for the greater good (like Lelouch killing/sacrificing innocents to create a better world)
"What right have you to deny my existence? You have none."
what right has he to take his life. he has none
George Nottas That's it right? :P
Lelouche doesn't care about making his hands dirty on the road to his goal.
To defeat evil one must become the greater evil.
If there was an evil in this world justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you stay steadfast and righteous even if that means surrendering to evil?
Evil is simple a matter of opinion therefore i will do evil unto evil to justify my ends all hail the emperor all hail lelouch
In the end, all that matters is that he who's prepared to kill others must be prepared to be killed.
Lol I thought he's saying that Diethard is just an opportunistic simp
I like how Lelouch thinks of Rolo even after all of this. It shows that after everything, a part of him still cared about Rolo.
Rolo could have been a perfect brother to Nunally and Lelouch if there wasn’t an international war between Britainnia and Japan.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Shirley👀
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr no
@@nicoreyes3125 no
@@xnortheast1106 , if there were no wars between Britannia and Japan Lelouch unlike Light Yagami would still be the wealthiest person in the world without ever getting any form of education, and he’d be the wealthiest person of all time through gambling, so that would mean the person that’d make the best Marine Officer, or the person remaining the best police officer of all time would be Rolo if there were no wars between Britainnia and Japan because Lelouch unlike Light Yagami never cared about academics and wanting to be the person that rid the world through the legal manner of doing so because Lelouch was the person that said fuck the system and fuck the world because he’s the ultimate badass unlike Light Yagami.
I also find the fact that Lelouch telling Shneizel to kill himself would only be allowing Shneizel to win, since Shneizel didn't care if he died, making Shneizel bow and serve Lelouch, or Zero however, is much more of a defeat than simply being killed, Shneizel was enslaved.
UMM YOU DO KNOW THAT IS THE POINT OF THE WHOLE VIDEO RIGHT
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when zero dies he geauss goes with him but i think he did not die lol
amvsoftomorrow s Not necessarily, Charles' Geass lasted after he died. The effects of Geass are permanent for as much as we know.
+Nathan L Nunnely somehow broke free from Charle's Geass after his death so its possible that Geass can be broken by sheer will or Geass will be weaken if the source dies
Diethard dying an undignified traitor's death was easily my favorite part of this episode.
Pointing a gun at Lelouch? That's pretty... *puts on sunglasses* DEITHARDED.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAH!
Why the fuck don't you have more likes Jesus!!
3 years passed and yet this man has only 60 likes. We as an internet have failed
Seriously deserves more likes
😒 😑 😂
My face
You have ruined it with shameful laughter
I could never anticipate someone's thoughts like that. That's crazy. Lelouche man...nobody fucks with him. Lol
+Jp Uchiha
If you pay attention, he's setting up Schiezel's responses for him.
That is why INTJs are called the 'Mastermind'
@@triosciankliquit9982 bru u might be an intj but ur not lelouch
@@OrionoftheStar and it's fucking genius, I fucking love Lelouch
Can we appreciate that schnizel was able to keep lelouch on his toes. He truly was lelouch toughest enemy
Every protagonist needs a strong antagonist.
@@Vietmac1993 ik I just feel like schinzel was underappreciated
@@luqmanmohames677 I think he was underapreciated because emperor Charles was the main antagonist not him.
Well aware I am responding to a 2 year old comment, but I just need to say my piece. Schnizel was indeed a difficult enemy but I wouldn't say he was Lelouch's toughest enemy as he was ultimately able to defeat him. No, that honor would go to Euphie who, at the end of the day, Lelouch ultimately lost to. Lelouch was a mastermind who had everything under control 9/10 out of ten, but the SAZ massacre was a complete accident which was made only after Lelouch had conceded and Euphie had dropped her guard. If geass were not involved, the entire rebellion would have been quashed by Euphie's act of passivism.
@@guncannon109 Euphie was backed by Schnizel. She was able to get the Special Administrative Zone approved mainly thanks to him. Euphie genuinely wanted peace but Schnizel had ulterior motives. He supported Euphemia because it would effectively defeat the Black Knights which it did. The supporters of the black knights and even its own members signed up for the Special Administrative Zone of Japan.
I like to imagine Lelouch recorded a whole lot of random replies and labeled buttons for what one of his subjects should push to play those specific responses.
If you see and hear the recording
Those are not random
They are connected
No
@@sainagendra2250 they are not connected. They are random
@@xnortheast1106 He knew schneizel was going to say so he said some random topics in video to keep him occupied.
Its hilarious how schneizel talked to a recording lol lelouch was just talking on and on and leading schneizel.
This is so unrealistic. How can you record a conversation so accurate that you'd know how the person would respond to your arguments?
blastoise charmander Its Actually quite realistic. Rewatch from the start of the Clip. Every time Lelouch Talks in the Recording, each Sentence is a Genrealized Statement, Followed by a Pause (Allowing Schneizel to Respond), then Lelouch gives an even BROADER Statement Refering to his previous statement as to which doesn't answer anything his Brother ever says.
As you watch, you can see that Schneizel is Pausing for when Lelouch is Talking. There is no Predicitve Mind Games here. Schneizel just got played is all.
i never noticed daym youre right, this show is brilliant, such a simple but effective mind trick.
blastoise charmander because bitch this is anime, where everything goes
Thinks about it you can maybe do that in real world but the thing is you need to make your opponent believe it was a live recording and imo that is an easy task for someone as intelligent as Lelouch
I don't find the words be what's impossible here. All Lelouch had to do was predict his way of thinking, and make an occasional response to a list of things Schneizel could say. Such as when Lelouch said "Schneizel.. You truly are superior." There's a whole LIST of things Schneizel could've said before Lelouch said that, and that response from Lelouch would fit perfectly. A mock conversation like this wouldn't be hard to pull off. However.. Lelouch's timing.. Can't argue that is impossible
@anon which is possible
He could have somebody pausing the thing and waiting for his response
That's the second time he used the "record the conversation before it happens" trick
What's the first one again?
hey, if it's not broken why fix it?
@@juanthegreat3954He used it against Mao.
Funny that he only used it twice...then again, since he used them against his "greatest" adversaries (Mao with his Mind Reading and Schneizel his true antithesis), I suppose that makes sense he only used this trick twice.
Third time. The first was to convince Kallen he wasn't Zero and not a threat after Shinjuku.
Schneizel had a similar ideology to Light Yagami. Dominate the world and bring peace through fear from an overwhelming and all-powerful judge.
I always thought of Lelouch as being more like Light. The similarities are countless.
I find their differences even more notable than their similarities.
Two hyperintelligent teenage boys (with powerful fathers) living in Japan receive a supernatural power from a near-immortal being with an affinity with one particular type of food. The power they receive allows them to kill or control anyone under certain conditions, and they use it to attempt to bring peace to the world while also temporarily taking it over themselves. In their mission they assemble a loyal squad of subordinates including a super-hot girl with a unique and highly useful ability, and a representative to act as a halfway point between themselves and the rest of the world. Unfortunately their mission almost ends before it begins as they lose their memories, and the goals and ambitions that came with them. Luckily he regains his memories and reassembles his squad just in time to get back on track. While all this is happening they must also hide their identity and maintain an anonymous persona, however in the end everyone finds out who they really are, and shortly after they die.
Sorry for the confusion between "he" and "they", it just took a while to write that.
Chris Gaming Lelouch isn't dead tho
If anyone thinks light or L id smarter then lelouch is wrong, lelouch literally anticipated the entire conversation to win, he's definatly one of the most intelligent anime character's in history
Please add in the fact that Lelouch also anticipated a conversation with Mao, a crazy person.
+Hidan1401 he barely knew Mao
But can he bring the US to its knees? Oh wait he did... Umm... Can he kill a shinigami?
+Mengkoung Hok no but he would probably make the shigami his slave and he also kinda took over the world...
Light predicted months of events while he lost his memory.
“Show me a hero and I will write you a tragedy. But show me a villain, and I will write you a victory.”
Well, who said that? Fits the ambitions of modern storytelling in a nutshell, but most importantly, that of NieR and Code Geass.
@@astraldirectrix the first half is an actual quote by someone. The other half was something I made up myself on contrast to that very quote
Cynical storytelling!
1. Put speed at 2x
2. Press 3 repeteadly
3. Enjoy.
I'm watching this on an iPad so what does it do?
it takes you to scheizal laughing really slowly but it sounds kinda normal but for some reason its really really funny i'm still laughing
Your folly also knows no limit.
what time stamp is that tho
@@SkodenMOC 0:58
Schneizal: Lelouch? The fuck?
Lelouch: It's called cheating. Deal with it!
W LuLu
For those that are saying that the geass would have stopped after Lelouch had died. Even with his memory lost and after his death, the girl he used his geass on to mark the wall was still doing it. You can look it up but I read somewhere where the girl had been moved to Britannia and would try to go back to make the cross marks on the wall everyday. She eventually had to be admitted into psychiatric care.
Horrible
she deserves spme help from orange ngl
Well you could say that the geass was never undone because....... spoiler
Well ig it is a spoiler but it's been years so it should be fine, but anyways theres the obscure chance that Lelouch never truly died as seen during the final credits of the sub version of Code Geass
@@thatoneguycisco5412did you watch the movie? You’re right, he didn’t die. C.C hints at it in the finale with what she says at the end. But the movie is about resurrecting him
It also ressurected shirkey@@deathinabottle6759
The most impressive thing about this isn't predicting what Schneizel would say, but rather, getting the timing just right
He could have somebody pausing the thing and waiting for his response
Actually his method was simply to guide the conversation. Lelouch whenever he started a recording always started off first. It becomes easier to predict when you run the conversation.
I honestly expected Diethard to stay by Lelouch till the end.
But he found Schneizel's plan to be more interesting.
Same here.
Funny the last one to mentally betray him was Tamaki.
He was more of an Opportunist rather than anything else.
@@DarkS103 Diethard is dumb. How could he find nuking everyone more intresting than literal MIND CONTROL?
I love how Lelouch orders Schneizel to serve Zero instead of Lelouch, meaning whoever has Zero's ideology or has inherited Zero's will Schneizel will serve that person
I mean he didn't really anticipate his thoughts, if you listen to lelouch they are mostly stand alone phrases, and towards the end where it is back and forth he is mostly responding to himself. Very clever but I wouldn't say anticipated his responses, just that Schneizel was prepared to die
Yup
Shnizel didn't get it that lelouch was only buying time
0:47
His response times are also great
@@kristen1684 Imo that cut it too close. If schneizel took a couple seconds then the rouse would be up
If you need more proof that Lelouch's mind surpasses even Light Yagami's, here it is
dude are u crazy .. lelouch is great but light and l are even greater
+Rishabh Choudhary Granted, setting up the entire Yotsuba arc just to save his girlfriend was extremely impressive, but still...
But Lelouch won in the end. Him dying was according to his own plan.
+Sean Mason no dude smartest is light .. lights intelligence is 9 and L intelligence is 8 .. even near is smarter than L with intelligence 9 .. so exact order is light=near>lelouch>L
+Sean Mason and in all of them lelouch is best tactician, light has best raw intelligence and L has best plans and instinct !! so overall L may be better than Light but in intelligence light is above everyone .. even author said so
I think that in this scene Lelouch states the central message of the show. Charles, Lelouch, and Schneizel all want the same thing, an end to war and discrimination. But while Charles and Schneizel believe that this can be accomplished by force, Lelouch believes that people can attain peace on their own. Because although they might fail time and time again, though it my take ages, people will continue to strive towards happiness, and eventually they will build a better world. As martin luther king said, "the moral arc of the universe is long but bends towards justice"
Something that gets overshadowed by everything else is just how much of a master Lelouch is at profiling people both individuals and societies. He was only able to build the Black Knights because he knew who he could trust, who needs corrosion and what motivates his targets. Dietard for example was someone who is clearly unstable but because Lelouch knows what made Dietard tick he was easy to leash. You very rarely see such masterful emotional manipulation out of a non-villain it goes against the concept of freedom that the heroes fight for. Someone I could compare Lelouch to would be Palpatine from Star Wars for just how many steps ahead of the game they are compared to everyone else. It is a blast to watch.
..and so ends Schneizel's conscious memory. For as long as his Geass is active, he will only know his orders. And we never did learn if there was a limit on how long a Geass lasts.
There isn't till he dies or orange use the geass canceler on him (which won't happen)
Suzaku's geass doesn't control him constantly.
@@matthewhelland9258 That's because his command was different. Suzaku's order was "live". Schneizal's order was "serve Zero". We see at the beginning of Re;surrection that Schneizal is *still* serving Zero under his Geass. Suzaku isn't constantly controlled by his Geass because his life isn't constantly in danger.
@@jedimasterpickle3 Servants don't do their jobs constantly either. I'm sure Schneizel has some independence as long as he doesn't try to actively betray Zero.
@@matthewhelland9258 If his Geass wasn't active, Schneizal would move against Zero. That conflicts with the order to "serve Zero". Even if he's not always at Zero's side, he's under his command. He can have a day off and still be serving Zero. The only time the Geass would be inactive is if Jeremiah canceled it.
Funny how Lelouche Geassing Schnezel would give him a ambition for his life. Schneizel once said somthing along the lines of how lelouche has not mastered the proper way of deseption yet, as for him Lelouche cannot properly mask himself, but you take the mask from Schnezel away and you ultmately see nothing. You just see a guy that goes with the flow and just accompished what the majority wants for him in his own way, in other world an empty existence.
My god the voice acting in the dub was top class.
Affirmative
A very good one indeed. Not many English dub have this quality.
Holy shit Schneizel is tall!
pretty late but Schneizel is like 6'7
Till this day i still try to imitate how lelouch put his contacts AND YET i still cant do it i even hurt my eye few times
The speed he puts his contacts on may actually be his true Geass power
That's dedication right there.
There's got to be some special contact lens treatment, tech or hidden pocket receptacle or something that makes the process easier, faster and pain free if not less of a pain.
What i like most about this scene is that it's that required "if it was the old me, I would've lost, but my experience and your negligence led to my victory" scene. I didn't initially think this series would have one, especially after the black knights turned on Zero.
2:24 Lelouch looks so fucking evil, like it's rather terrifying.
NEVER LET LELOUCH ASK A QUESTION NEVER LET LELOUCH ASK A QUESTION
Lelouch: "I have a question-"
Literally anybody: "Now's the time to surrender...."
Lelouch’s mind and ability to think at least roughly 20 steps ahead if that far is amazingly impressive and frigging scary
"you're just not worth wasting my geass on"
NOW THATS WHAT I CALL EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
"I give you the gift of the words...you shall serve Zero!"
"Emporer Charles sought the past, you seek the present, but I seek the future"
For a man who never feared death, Schneizel never even considered the possibility that would have been a fate in store for him that was worse than death. A slave. Serving the will of someone who you do not agree with.
Greatest Checkmate Ever. Of All TIME
It's amazing how lelouch recorded his voice this whole fucking time!
I started playing chess after this anime
Good for you. Lol wish we could play some chess
SAME
I started playing chess long before watching this show, but now, I'm relearning with the goal to actually GIT GUD at playing it.
Chessmaster 9000 for windows, anyone?
Bro same
How the fuck does he put his contacts in like that?
he is just gangster like that
Josef Adama I guess that's why they're called the "Black Knights." Their leader is straight up gangsta.
Ohgi: Oh shit, nigga! Yo ass is Britannian?
Tamaki: What did I tell ya, bro? Ya can't trust that Zero bitch!
Lelouch: Wait, dog, I can explain!
Kallen: Yo, don't even TRY soundin' Japanese, you lil' shit!
So Im not the only one who was given the English dub and decided to download the original and read subs?
Josef Adama I thought I was the only one.
no i would rather tell my mom im learning japanese
Lelouche's choice of words are believable in this scene, but the problem is with timing. In one or two instances they did show lelouche taking a pause, but it was'nt exemplified enough, except for one pause. They also tried to show him cutting off Snizel, but not really. If perhaps the creators had worked on this scene a bit more to work with the timing, it would have turned this scene into a true cherry on top brilliance of showing off lelouche's intelligence one last time. But okay, I still love the scene.
Yeah, it was a lot more believable in the scene with mao, there was both an awkward silence and he got cut off
He could just hear it from headphone wire, press pause remotely and put video short video between his vague statements, since he just sitting on a chair at the same pose, transition could be flawless.
I agree with what you’re saying that this scene, although great, would have benefited more if they had altered some of the timings a bit or shown afterwards someone was pausing and playing, but this wasn’t the last example of his genius. The Zero Requiem plan hadn’t been revealed yet.
lelouch is the best anime character ever, too perfect
sheneizel can now be commanded by anyone with a 5 Dollar Zero costume 🤣
It's crazy that Mao was the opponent to foreshadow Lelouch doing this back in early season 1
One small detail I just noticed: the reason shneizel was able to continue talking undisturbed while Zero sneaked up behind him was that the controlled guards incapacitated dietard and the other guy with Refrain. You can see one of them holding the needle “gun” @2:01
Of all the karmic deaths, Diethard alone deserved his shameful end. No loyalty, no integrity. No one mourned his death. Even Lelouch found him too pathetic and loathsome to bother honoring his last request of being Geassed.
Karmik
Whenever Lelouch starts a sentence by "I have a question", you're so fucked.
I like the fact that the will of Schneizel of sacrificing himself is linked to his pride and vanity, while for Lelouch is the total opposite. And he even negates that like "nope I'm not prideful guy I just want to help people🤥"
Mantaining peace by lying is better than being hypocrite.
Indeed, checkmate, Lelouch.
Lelouch's prerecorded tape is unmatched. He also did this with Mao.
From predicting the thoughts of someone who doesn't need to resort to cunning (Mao), to someone who's arguably the most cunning person in the show apart from Lelouch himself (Schniezel).
Yep, but Lelouch knew his brother’s philosophical ideology so he was able to bank on that to keep the conversation flowing.
This scene is quintessential lelouch and I love every second of it!
it's amazing how he had to predict Schneizel's reactions and had to come up with perfect responses
my guess is that Lelouch knew him well enough what his thoughts were, but wouldn't know the exact words he'd choose, so he had to appropriate his responses to be just detailed enough where they could be seen as believable responses to Schneizel's to sell the illusion Lelouch was there and what's a nice detail is that this was built up to since their Chess match when he was Zero, at the time he wasn't ready to face and beat his brother, now he's managed to out play him and stay ahead enough for him to pull this kind of maneuver.
Imagine being such a big brain chad you know the exact responses someone will make to what they think is a live broadcast.
Lelouch : "I have a question..."
Me: "oooooh shit is about to go down"
Imagine if Schneizel went to take a sip of water during this and realised Lelouche keeps responding to words he didn't say yet.
I remember watching this for the first time and I was like, "Damn! Him too?!" But watching it back after seeing the ending, he really had no room to talk here. He chose to do the story on Zero and follow him up til this point. It's not Lelouch's fault that their ideals didn't align in the end. And plus, he really did jump to conclusions as Lelouch said. He had no right to judge before seeing the end result.
No one could kill lelouch but he killed himself by ordering suzaku to kill Lelouch, overall He was very Emotional & good character, he had good and bad sides but NO ONE CAN MATCH HIS GOOD SIDES. He is one of the best MCs of all Anime. Loved this anime and MC
What a genius.
Snizel is a guy who always flipped the table whenever he was about to loose. Lelouch command forces him to play the game he never wanted to loose.
2:40 The moment Schneizel's boytoy's heart breaks.
Bro didn't even have to record that conversation but he had to just to show how predictable Schneizel is.
Now I'm wondering what the PurpleEyesWTF version of this would be like
2:54 deym emotional damage right there
lelouch is such a badass
wait Diethard...hmmm Diethard......Diet-Hard
The best series of my life. Others might argue but am not buying it.
Because as soon as Schneizel looked the command was already being sent to his brain.
The thing about denying the future is that you can't actually stop it from coming
By this point I couldn't understand why the rest couldn't see the true genius of LL
lol I'm sure they knew he was a genius but Schneizel thought himself to be more of a genius which made him too cocky, I still think Lelouch is more intelligent but Schneizel wasn't so far behind, if he was more alert and thought everything as carefully as Lelouch I'm sure it would have been even harder for Lelouch to win, but I believe he would pull it off nonetheless.
Father long for the past.
Brother want to live in the present.
But.... He want to build a better future.
schniezel always said that lelouch couldnt win against him because he knew him too well but he didnt know how well lelouch knew him and what he would answer.
Poor Dtard, well he kinda betrayed Zero, but stil.
this is the guy that voiced that main character kid in yo-kai watch
Damn Troy and Johnny killed this
Hero and villain is determined by who's telling the story
The idea you can predict exactly how someone is going to respond I can get
But knowing the time it would take them to respond is bull shit
Just let it sink in that the ending of code Geass ended exactly how lelouch wanted it
I love it when Diethard dies, I hated him so much
he was the first fan boy of zero, until THIS happend XD
I liked Diethard before he betrayed Lelouch. I mean, he always seemed shady, but i didn't think he would join the rest of the traitorous Black Knights. Hell, even Tamaki was more loyal than him in the discussion with Schneizel.
Yeah, Diethard was a surprisingly intriguing character, and I really enjoyed how he wanted to be at the center of the changing world.
Shame that even his amazement and loyalty could be bought by another. But I guess all of the Black Knights were going to side against a man who manipulated them all. Ohgi, Kallen, Tamaki, Tohdoh...
No wonder when, the moment Diethard was shot and knew he was as good as dead, Lelouch wouldn't even give him the comfort of having him "finish him off with his Geass". Lelouch outright said that doing so would be a waste of time.
Yeah, he was a sleazy, immoral scumbag of a journalist, but man, Lelouch was cold as freak here. No mercy to traitors.
He was cringe as fuck, LuLu shoulve shit him himself 😩
fucking chess game foreshadowing
Actually crazy how many times he gets away with his video tricks lol 😅
It's a curious thing to consider about this scene. Lelouch took Shnizel (King), but only once he'd secured and disarmed Nanaly (Queen) did he achieve checkmate.
Probably my favorite geass moment, up there with mao, the first use, jeremiah, the will of humanity in c's world.
One of the best scenes
Lelouch's struggle against sadnesss was Shirley's death
This is one of the scene which was like too over the top. Like predicting everything, that's just impossible, so I just took it as some magic trick in circus to feel satisfied😊😊
Nah, pay attention to Lelouch's responses and he's basically just rambling facts towards Schneizel. He didn't really need to anticipate his responses, but rather the way he thinks, and Lelouch already knows what type of person Schneizel is as his brother, so that wouldn't be hard for someone of the former's intelligence.
The anticipation of Schneizel's responses don't have to be on the dot, it's just a general thing. You can even see where Lelouch changes the subjects a few times like how he guilt tripped Schneizel for being a prince and looking down on people. So at the end of the day, Schneizel's responses didn't matter because the conversation would be continued regardless, for just enough time to sneak up on him.
It's the timing that was a little over the top, not the response anticipation. Some of the timings are possible if you guess how long it'd take to respond depending on the question/statement, but theres about one or two timings that's a little crazy to guess. Maybe Lelouch just didn't care if Schneizel interrupted him since the conversation wouldn't be that long; by the time Schneizel got suspicious of the interruptions, Lelouch would've already gotten to him.
Lelouch truly saw the future
Awesome Code Geass Video.
Would've maybe been cooler if they had drawn out more the strategic battle between Lelouch and Schniezel since that was really interesting... Anyway, still great....
anybody else realize that schniezel had the exact same ideology as Pein from Naruto
+Jordan Pasley That's because Troy Baker voices them both. Matthew Mercer voices Pain in the Rock Lee spinoff, but Troy voices Pain in Shippuuden.
+Teron The Gorefiend well I didn't know that but I what I meant was that pain wanted to use the tailed beadts as a deterrent for people to not do bad things. schniezel had the same plan but with the damocles(fleija warheads)
Also Obito wanted to cast a genjutsu to all people on earth is basically what Charles wanted to do with his ragnarok connection. And lelouch becoming the symbol of hatred is what sasuke was planning to do at the end when he wanted to become hokage !
TheMegaUzumaki Yeah got your point but just wanted to say the similarities are that in a sense when sasuke wanted to become hokage, not one choosen and acknowleged by his people but a dictator who can get his hand dirten and get rid of previous society (stop the system of hokage by starting a revolution)... it had me remember lelouch, dedicating his own life in a extreme way for their perception of a good world. Not sure i am clear but anyways, sasuke dont reach a level of characterisation like lelouch
"Schnizel, Schniezel, Schhnizel... It's like my mother always used to say. You can keep all your farts in a bag, but you'll never truly appreciate the first time you let it rip."
if only light's powers weren't limited to just heart attacks.
They aren't