Glad to help! The combination of the round Leica lens hood and 67mm Breakthrough lens cap is easy to use and I like the look of that hood better than either of the "stock" Q hoods, personally. -Josh
Pentax produced its high-spec 43mm lens decades ago, which was so good they produced about 2,000 copies in Leica screw mount. The first intentional 43mm lens on a Leica was the Pentax-L 43mm.
I tested one at Leica Madrid side by side with my SL3 + Sigma 45mm F2.8. FOV was pretty much identical, but I’m not sure if the Q3 43 is 45mm or the Sigma is 43mm 😅
The Peterson Museum has a Lowrider Exhibit on the entire bottom floor, lots of detail shots. Friday night October 25th starting at 5pm at the Ruby’s in Whittier is a big car show gather. Last show til Friday car njghts start back up in Spring.. Lots of muscles cars & hot rods will be there
The only flaw I see in the q43 is some distinct (though minor) cyan loca in high contrast oof areas. My q3 28 has little to no loca at all. I would’ve expected an apo lens to have none as well. Doesn’t bother me, but is this normal for this lens, or just my copy?
That comment about needing a wide angle lens when you’re backed up against a wall is the exact thing that caused me to fully understand focal length. I was in an alley trying to make a picture of a car with my 50mm Summicron. Didn’t work out. I had to pull out my X100V to capture the image. I’m reminded of that moment every time I get the urge to trade my Q328 for a Q343.
We always said with the original Q that you were paying for an exceptional 28mm f/1.7 Summilux lens and got a free camera. Suppose you could make the same argument for the Q3 43. You're getting one of the best 35/50 range lenses Leica has ever produced, along with a free full-frame 60MP digital body.
It depends! If I am assuming you are buying this lens for an SL camera, I would ask a few key questions. First, are you looking for autofocus, weather sealing, and electronic aperture control, with the trade-off being a lens that is larger and heavier than an M lens? Or, is your main priority to minimize size and weight, assuming you're comfortable with manual focus? For outright performance, the 50 Lux SL wins, but if you want the "M lens magic", the 50 Lux M is the way to go. There are more variables to consider but more than I could throw into a TH-cam comment! -Josh
Folks I am so sorry but you are defending that they did not include a charger that is OK, completely fine. In my humble opinion it is not OK, it is not fine. Let's say I am wrong, in that case they shouldn't Leica reduce the price instead of jacking up $600. Both saving the environment but also saving consumer some money? Yes I will buy one but I am pissed with they not including the charger and hood/not fitting filters.
@@KCT77 Yes it suck but think about FujiFilm. The X100F price and x110VI price difference, it is more expensive but not like the price hike Leica had.
@@KCT77 You mean the inflation which raised the Q3 price from 5.950 to 6.250 within 12 months and now the Q3 43 up to 6750? Do the numbers man. There is nowhere inflation this high. Leica is a premium product at a premium price and they increase always every year the prices, no matter whether you have inflation or not. BUT not to include a 10$ charger (production costs) with the Q3 43 is not at all premium. It is called "screw the customer with bad excuses".
@@dirk.4711 Ha I wasn’t disagreeing with you per se. Prices are up! It’s the higher prices of goods and services that result in inflation - not inflation that causes prices to rise. So, inflation is up and it sucks. But we still love our cameras 😄
The decision to omit chargers and adopt USB-C fast charging across all products is a compliance move from Leica, not a cash-grab. The EU is actively working to eliminate electronic waste. The legislation, passed in 2022, requires compliance by year end 2024. This includes moving to a unified USB-C charging architecture and unbundling chargers for small and mid-sized electronics (cameras, phones, tablets, etc), with larger electronics like laptops to follow in 2026. DxO has a good summary on the issue - www.dxomark.com/eu-device-charging-legislations: "Last year the European Council, Commission and Parliament agreed on new legislation whose principal aim is to reduce electronic waste and emissions in the EU. As a result, all new smartphones, tablets, cameras and other electronic gadgets marketed in the EU will have to come with a USB-C charging port by fall 2024. In addition, chargers will be unbundled from devices, giving consumers the choice whether to buy a new charger with a device or keep using the old one."
If I could only have one camera this would be it. But with my stable of Ms and Q2 my needs aren’t sufficient. But that may change by the time they’re actually available to humans. In the meantime I’m excited to get the Delux8 you shipped to me last week. This looks like the best Q yet.
Leica does not state in their technical specifications who manufactures the sensor. This is quite common across the industry, as there are only a handful of huge companies who have the capacity to manufacture CMOS sensors. What matters (for the photographs) is the expertise of the company who designs the sensor optics, supporting electronics, and software that turn a piece of silicon into a photo-creating tool. This one of the things Leica excels at, which is why, for example, their SL line of cameras performs well with M lenses, that historically don't retain sharpness on non-rangefinder digital bodies.
@@MB-or8js Well, I think you should give it a try! I would stop by your local Leica Store and compare a Q3 to an M11 with a Visoflex 2 to an SL3 (and use the same M lens on both the M11 and SL3).
Can anyone clarify if this 43mm lens is designed by Panasonic and rebranded as Leica? I do not mind if it is a rebranded Panasonic lens, but if it is, but I prefer a fairer price. We Leica users paid for the Leica brand but not rebranded Panasonic
No, the Q system has always been designed and built in-house at Leica. The standard 28mm f/1.7 Summilx on the Q3 and the new 43mm f/2 APO-Summicron lenses are both Leica original and exclusive designs. Sure, Leica does lean on Panasonic as a long-time (20+ years) technology parter for things like AF and OIS tech. But Leica brings the expertise when it comes to optical engineering.
They definitely work closely with Panasonic on the design of many of their cameras (D-Lux, SL and Q-series), but Panasonic doesn't sell their own versions of them, so I wouldn't call that rebranding at all. They use Sony sensors too, which I don't think anyone is complaining about. :)
@@RedDotForum But how can dpreview find then the patent of this lens under the Panasonic name? Do not get me wrong. Panasonic is a great manufacturer and they do great lenses. I do not care whether the lens is from Leica or Panasonic, as long as it is good enough for me. But you should tell the people the truth.
F/2 is still fast, and the f/1.7 difference will be negligible. I had the Q2 Monochrom and the reporter, and after 18 months of shooting that focal length was getting old. I’m loving the 43 and the lens is simply incredible. Thank you, Leica!
Q3 43 makes more sense. It’s still Q3, just with a different lens. And when they release the Q4 series, they can name it Q4 28 and Q4 43. Although I hope they will finally admit it’s 24mm and name it Q4 24 or make a real 28mm lens, ideally APO😄
base on the mtf 43mm lens is better than ecerything leica made to date . including m apo35 . although clearly lens from the comparison is close/far focused and or recentered . I have apo 35m and it is stupid sharp by leica standard . its mtf is slightly worse than 43mm maybe 10% . which would be very hard to distinguish in shack comparison ( here ) . also sl and Q cams have in body correction that include CA off and sharpness addition that M doesn't have . so M lenses bring their real performance ( if one as myself turns off all profiling and correction in software AND compare RAW files . all and all I want that 43mm lens . but don't want the q camra... the answer to this predicament is to get dem q43 or.. get another 50mm M for m :) lol working on the decision for week now
One comment about the charging: just get a PD USB-C charger, even 100W does work, because the Charger and the Battery will negotiate the desired/necessary voltage and watts. That might not be wit the Apple cr...p 😉
I do not want to load my battery within an almost 7.000€ camera. If something goes wrong, try to convince Leica to replace your Q3 43 for free. Good luck!
I urge those of you who love your Leica q3s (whichever focal length you choose)DO NOT charge your battery inside your camera. I bricked a brand new Nikon d850 by charging it the way that Nikon said to which was running a USB-C to the camera. We had a lightning strike when the camera was plugged into a charging block that was plugged into the wall. IT CAN HAPPEN. My Nikon was replaced under warranty. The power surge jumped right thru the charger into the camera. Wrecked the camera, but I was following Nikons instructions and was under warranty so they sent me a new one. You really shouldn't do it, and you should never tell people that damage by exceptional electricity situations can't happen. It can and occasionally does. Everyone should use a battery charger and charge them outside the camera body.
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My new fav camera combo and focal lengths have been the Q3 43 + Ricoh GRIII
The number one videos about this camera far exceeds the number of cameras produced.
Thank you Guys as always for a super informative episode !!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for doing this and solving the lens hood dilemma for me ... I will go with the round hood and pinch cap. The Q3-43 is my 4th Q, and I love it.
Glad to help! The combination of the round Leica lens hood and 67mm Breakthrough lens cap is easy to use and I like the look of that hood better than either of the "stock" Q hoods, personally. -Josh
Pentax produced its high-spec 43mm lens decades ago, which was so good they produced about 2,000 copies in Leica screw mount. The first intentional 43mm lens on a Leica was the Pentax-L 43mm.
And then there is also the Minolta 2.0 M-Rokkor for the first CL back in the 1970ies …
I tested one at Leica Madrid side by side with my SL3 + Sigma 45mm F2.8. FOV was pretty much identical, but I’m not sure if the Q3 43 is 45mm or the Sigma is 43mm 😅
The Peterson Museum has a Lowrider Exhibit on the entire bottom floor, lots of detail shots. Friday night October 25th starting at 5pm at the Ruby’s in Whittier is a big car show gather. Last show til Friday car njghts start back up in Spring.. Lots of muscles cars & hot rods will be there
The sharpness on that 43mm lens is next level. Very surprised to see kinda engineering Leica achieved with the lens, but then again, not surprised :)
Seriously! The fact that it's so small but still so high-performance really impressed me during my testing. -Josh
The only flaw I see in the q43 is some distinct (though minor) cyan loca in high contrast oof areas. My q3 28 has little to no loca at all. I would’ve expected an apo lens to have none as well. Doesn’t bother me, but is this normal for this lens, or just my copy?
Great show.... As always! Albert and Ruth
Now, with your explanation of the 43mm diagonal explanation for the 60mp sensor, do you think Leica should make a 43mm SL3 or M11 lens?
Considering Leica already has numerous excellent options for both SL and M in 35 and 50, I doubt we'll see a 43mm for either of these systems.
That comment about needing a wide angle lens when you’re backed up against a wall is the exact thing that caused me to fully understand focal length. I was in an alley trying to make a picture of a car with my 50mm Summicron. Didn’t work out. I had to pull out my X100V to capture the image. I’m reminded of that moment every time I get the urge to trade my Q328 for a Q343.
That's why you need both!
dental floss makes it easy to pull the PD anchors through the lugs without the need for split rings
Hi, how much did you zoom in for the side by side comparisons? 200% or more?
We zoom to 100%. We find 1:1 (1 pixel on screen = 1 pixel in image) is always best for image evaluation.
So you could buy a Q3 43 and have a superior lens to the apo 35 m and still save a couple of grand?
We always said with the original Q that you were paying for an exceptional 28mm f/1.7 Summilux lens and got a free camera. Suppose you could make the same argument for the Q3 43. You're getting one of the best 35/50 range lenses Leica has ever produced, along with a free full-frame 60MP digital body.
Would you buy a 50mm summilux sl or M 50 lux if you had the Leica q3 43mm and crop to 50mm
It depends! If I am assuming you are buying this lens for an SL camera, I would ask a few key questions. First, are you looking for autofocus, weather sealing, and electronic aperture control, with the trade-off being a lens that is larger and heavier than an M lens? Or, is your main priority to minimize size and weight, assuming you're comfortable with manual focus? For outright performance, the 50 Lux SL wins, but if you want the "M lens magic", the 50 Lux M is the way to go. There are more variables to consider but more than I could throw into a TH-cam comment! -Josh
Folks I am so sorry but you are defending that they did not include a charger that is OK, completely fine. In my humble opinion it is not OK, it is not fine. Let's say I am wrong, in that case they shouldn't Leica reduce the price instead of jacking up $600. Both saving the environment but also saving consumer some money? Yes I will buy one but I am pissed with they not including the charger and hood/not fitting filters.
Inflation is real. And it sucks 😅
@@KCT77 Yes it suck but think about FujiFilm. The X100F price and x110VI price difference, it is more expensive but not like the price hike Leica had.
@@KCT77 You mean the inflation which raised the Q3 price from 5.950 to 6.250 within 12 months and now the Q3 43 up to 6750? Do the numbers man. There is nowhere inflation this high. Leica is a premium product at a premium price and they increase always every year the prices, no matter whether you have inflation or not. BUT not to include a 10$ charger (production costs) with the Q3 43 is not at all premium. It is called "screw the customer with bad excuses".
@@dirk.4711 Ha I wasn’t disagreeing with you per se. Prices are up!
It’s the higher prices of goods and services that result in inflation - not inflation that causes prices to rise. So, inflation is up and it sucks. But we still love our cameras 😄
The decision to omit chargers and adopt USB-C fast charging across all products is a compliance move from Leica, not a cash-grab. The EU is actively working to eliminate electronic waste. The legislation, passed in 2022, requires compliance by year end 2024. This includes moving to a unified USB-C charging architecture and unbundling chargers for small and mid-sized electronics (cameras, phones, tablets, etc), with larger electronics like laptops to follow in 2026.
DxO has a good summary on the issue - www.dxomark.com/eu-device-charging-legislations:
"Last year the European Council, Commission and Parliament agreed on new legislation whose principal aim is to reduce electronic waste and emissions in the EU. As a result, all new smartphones, tablets, cameras and other electronic gadgets marketed in the EU will have to come with a USB-C charging port by fall 2024. In addition, chargers will be unbundled from devices, giving consumers the choice whether to buy a new charger with a device or keep using the old one."
If I could only have one camera this would be it. But with my stable of Ms and Q2 my needs aren’t sufficient. But that may change by the time they’re actually available to humans. In the meantime I’m excited to get the Delux8 you shipped to me last week. This looks like the best Q yet.
The D-Lux 8 is a fun little camera. Enjoy it!
as always; fantastic episode
Always fun to watch Steve Carell play David in these Leica info videos.~
It's really stretching our budget, but totally worth it. -Josh
I think that, while both the Q3 and the Q3 43 are great single lens cameras, one more such camera would fit nicely here - a Leica Q3 20! 😇
Is there any truth to this sensor being the same sensor found in the Sony camera?
Leica does not state in their technical specifications who manufactures the sensor. This is quite common across the industry, as there are only a handful of huge companies who have the capacity to manufacture CMOS sensors. What matters (for the photographs) is the expertise of the company who designs the sensor optics, supporting electronics, and software that turn a piece of silicon into a photo-creating tool. This one of the things Leica excels at, which is why, for example, their SL line of cameras performs well with M lenses, that historically don't retain sharpness on non-rangefinder digital bodies.
Well that was an APO discussion!
Still hoping for an EVF-M / Q with exchangeable lens [M] mount. Not interested in fixed lens camera, sorry.
Have you checked out the SL3?
@@RedDotForum not interested in the SL series - too bulky body and L-mount. Different from what I stated above in my comment.
@@MB-or8js Have you tried the SL3? With M lenses or otherwise?
@@RedDotForum I have not since I prefer the M-camera size and using native M Mount. Q camera size okay also but not with fixed lens.
@@MB-or8js Well, I think you should give it a try! I would stop by your local Leica Store and compare a Q3 to an M11 with a Visoflex 2 to an SL3 (and use the same M lens on both the M11 and SL3).
Can anyone clarify if this 43mm lens is designed by Panasonic and rebranded as Leica? I do not mind if it is a rebranded Panasonic lens, but if it is, but I prefer a fairer price. We Leica users paid for the Leica brand but not rebranded Panasonic
No, the Q system has always been designed and built in-house at Leica. The standard 28mm f/1.7 Summilx on the Q3 and the new 43mm f/2 APO-Summicron lenses are both Leica original and exclusive designs. Sure, Leica does lean on Panasonic as a long-time (20+ years) technology parter for things like AF and OIS tech. But Leica brings the expertise when it comes to optical engineering.
They definitely work closely with Panasonic on the design of many of their cameras (D-Lux, SL and Q-series), but Panasonic doesn't sell their own versions of them, so I wouldn't call that rebranding at all. They use Sony sensors too, which I don't think anyone is complaining about. :)
@@RedDotForum But how can dpreview find then the patent of this lens under the Panasonic name? Do not get me wrong. Panasonic is a great manufacturer and they do great lenses. I do not care whether the lens is from Leica or Panasonic, as long as it is good enough for me. But you should tell the people the truth.
Name should’ve been Q43. I would have more creative use of f1,7 at 43mm then 28mm.
F/2 is still fast, and the f/1.7 difference will be negligible. I had the Q2 Monochrom and the reporter, and after 18 months of shooting that focal length was getting old. I’m loving the 43 and the lens is simply incredible. Thank you, Leica!
Q3 43 makes more sense. It’s still Q3, just with a different lens. And when they release the Q4 series, they can name it Q4 28 and Q4 43. Although I hope they will finally admit it’s 24mm and name it Q4 24 or make a real 28mm lens, ideally APO😄
base on the mtf 43mm lens is better than ecerything leica made to date . including m apo35 . although clearly lens from the comparison is close/far focused and or recentered . I have apo 35m and it is stupid sharp by leica standard . its mtf is slightly worse than 43mm maybe 10% . which would be very hard to distinguish in shack comparison ( here ) . also sl and Q cams have in body correction that include CA off and sharpness addition that M doesn't have . so M lenses bring their real performance ( if one as myself turns off all profiling and correction in software AND compare RAW files . all and all I want that 43mm lens . but don't want the q camra... the answer to this predicament is to get dem q43 or.. get another 50mm M for m :) lol working on the decision for week now
The 35 APO M is still one of our favorite lenses, and is an absolute beast on an M camera!
You swapped seats!!!!
Yes I found that actually not "normal!"
Not the first time!
49mm Haoge is fully the same like the Leica shade... and 150€ cheaper
Does it thread into the hood threads on the Q, or the filter threads?
@@RedDotForum into the Q3 s
@@ansgarbook712 Very cool! We will check it out.
between the two of them they couldn't light up a single lightbulb.
Good thing the studio has power outlets then! -Josh
Josh, are you trying to just sell things :). This is missing, that does not matter but look color match, you should buy this camera! :D
Everyone on the internet is trying to sell you something...at least we don't keep it a secret! Plus, it's 100% free to love photography. -Josh
@@RedDotForum Josh, I really appreciate the videos you guys do. Just harassing you a bit in a very friendly way.
@@KemApak Thanks!
One comment about the charging: just get a PD USB-C charger, even 100W does work, because the Charger and the Battery will negotiate the desired/necessary voltage and watts. That might not be wit the Apple cr...p 😉
I do not want to load my battery within an almost 7.000€ camera. If something goes wrong, try to convince Leica to replace your Q3 43 for free. Good luck!
I urge those of you who love your Leica q3s (whichever focal length you choose)DO NOT charge your battery inside your camera. I bricked a brand new Nikon d850 by charging it the way that Nikon said to which was running a USB-C to the camera. We had a lightning strike when the camera was plugged into a charging block that was plugged into the wall. IT CAN HAPPEN. My Nikon was replaced under warranty. The power surge jumped right thru the charger into the camera. Wrecked the camera, but I was following Nikons instructions and was under warranty so they sent me a new one. You really shouldn't do it, and you should never tell people that damage by exceptional electricity situations can't happen. It can and occasionally does. Everyone should use a battery charger and charge them outside the camera body.
It’s like watching the muppets. Sorry, no offense intended.
2 hours this episode? Really?
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