Dungeons and Dragons Lore : Introduction to Devils
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- Baator, also known as the Nine-Hells, home of the most powerful of all infernals, Asmodeus. In this first video of a new Infernals series, we take a look at the murky origin story of this incredibly ancient immortal being and the creation of the Nine Hells.
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Don't ever remove this video. It may need a redo, but this one is so good. It's a classic Mighty Gluestick video. So please, never remove this, AJ. Great vid. 😁
"read the fine print" is wisdom
"Write the fine print" is intelligence
Talk your way out of it---charisma
Ignore it---strength
What?--- constitution
Wow!---dexterity
"Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Asmodeus the fallen? I thought not, it's not a story your gods would tell you. It's a myth of creation.
Asmodeus once known as Ahriman was an upholder of order, so knowledgeable and so powerful he could influence the chaotic void to create law
He had such a knowledge of law that he could even keep at bay the demon hordes. Unfortunately he couldn't convince the gods to decide upon the center of creation and without their uplifting wings he fell into the lowest pits of the hells.
Ironic he could uphold the law, but not himself"
When the players got enamored with saying Asmodeus during game... I had him show up.
Players chanting "Asmodeus"
DM: "A figure, appearing to be a very finely dressed man with small horns coming from his forehead, appears before you. 'You called?"'
they freaked... and died.
So you basically made Asmodeus become Beetlejuice?
@@seannotshawn3521 well higher creatures do have name magic where if you say their name or title they notice you.
I am playing a character (drow fighter 1/divine soul sorcerer) that is dedicated to Asmodeus, basically made a deal with the devil to get away from Lolth, because in his mind the only way to get away from a greater deity is through a pact with an even greater deity... as always Asmodeus got the better end of the deal by a nautical mile (but I got access to both divine and sorcerer spells so that's something)
Actually was the longest backstory I ever created, mostly because I wanted to assure the DM that I wasn't playing a Judas character despite being lawful evil so I gave my character plenty of reasons to adventure and stick with a good aligned party. But also if I'm going to create a character with a built in deal with the devil you know I'm going to give the DM plenty of ammo.
I always liked the perception that each layer was its own seperate infinite plane of existance. Linked to each other but independent.
The planes / layers really made it other worldly. Turning outer realms into "planets" makes them just..........less, just my personal opinion.
Yeah, from reading the book, I think the idea of each layer being its own little infinity makes sense. Especially considering that each plane is not a world of the multiverse but an aspect of existence which underlies reality. Meaning that each plane must be infinite because each universe within the multiverse is infinite.
Asmodeus and the nine hells.🤔 that would be a cool name for a metal band! Eh,A.J.?
"Asmodeus! Lords of the Underworld!".
Ther is a band named Asmodae
Could the Humans ressurect their god with enough belief? Or possibly reforge him in a new identity
Well, first they have to know who that god was.. probably easier to just make a new one
You're thinking of orks in 40k...
How awesome is this?! I came here, same reason I always do, to learn some epic dnd lore. I'm homebrewing a journey to the 9 hell's campaign and just hearing AJ say he only has 1000 subs... man oh man just wait lil Pickett. Your storytelling shall reach the ears of millions one day, just look how far you've come
Thought asmodeus was a big ass snake slug thing and his human form was like a super powerful projected illusion
Asmo has multiple origins, bc he doesn't want anyone knowing his origin. 😉
It’s impressive how the high quality of the core value of the kind content you make is made evident by watching your earlier videos.
I never played d&d and was never interested before finding your channel.
Tnx for the great videos .
Fascinating. I've never heard of the Nine Hells as a planet.
How do you only have 14k subs, your videos are well done and give a ton of condensed info
I think that if I keep putting out vids that get 30,000+ views, that might change a bit. We shall see :)
@Forging A Path , he is now at 53.5k subs
@AJPickett , congrates on gaining 39.5k subs in the pass year.
Have a great weekend.
@@AJPickett checking in at the end of 2020 where the sub count is 79k juuuuust about to hit 80k! Maybe a good time to reboot this video?
@@AKNeal81 Make that almost 100k. 😎 I remember it being huge when he got 10k.
Wait so the 9 Hells are a planet and are more a series of successive Gigantic Caverns in a loose spiral then layers in a pit or upside down pyramid structure? So most of the Realm is barren wastes and tunnels between the Hells?
Yes and no, each of the caverns is kind of a TARDIS like 'larger on the inside" demi-plane within the planet, but yes, there are a lot of barren wastes and tunnels between the hells.
@@AJPickett yeah honestly not a fan of this new configuration. First of all , that's basically Carceri . Not exactly but same principle. Secondly,while the descending spiral was copy pasted from D. Alighieri's Comedy , It was iconic and gave a sense of worsening darkness and evil, a pit created by the ancestral fall of a primeval. A planet seems ...I don't know, less infernal and more guardians of the galaxy or "voyage to the center of the earth". I loved spelljammer as much as anyone else, not everything has to be a planet though
“The party enters the nine hells, only to find it a decrepit hollow mess, with naught but a now insane Mephistopheles on the throne of the final ring of hell, finally having the now ruined throne of Asmodeus that he’s always wanted but at the cost of the forces of the nine hells being a depleted unorganized mess. Nothing truly left of their previous greatness but a few balors and some pit fiends, but the majority being low tier devils fighting for scraps.”
Something I’ve written in my notes for a potential story arc in my campaign after watching this video. How does it sound?
You may want to add the encroaching mass of demons pouring out of the entrances of the river Styx, screaming and howling with savage glee at the impending bloodbath.
AJ Pickett I love it. I’m definitely gonna add this onto it.
How this channel doesn’t have more subscribers is a mystery. Your videos have been extremely helpful for me as a developing dm, I do hope your able to continue to make more videos
I'm playing a Blood Hunter whose Patron is Asmodeus (in the setting of Faerun playing Hoard of the Dragon Queen). In our last episode we encountered a mission in Baldur's Gate and have had to pass through a few trials. In my trial of Face Your Fears, I released that part of me that was an Aspect of Asmodeus, and then in the final trial Face Yourself, I was dragged down to the Nine Hells because Asmodeus demanded and audience and sent his daughter to escort me to him. Thus far it is a highly enriched adventure that is adding to the 10 wait until the Cult of the Dragon Queen comes through town. Looking forward to seeing what comes of this meeting. Asmodeus has plans for this Blood Hunter and it probably has to do with the downfall of Tiamat.
im really excited to see future videos on the nine hells
The Multi-Verse was created by Daft Punk??!!! lol
Had to come back and listen to the 1k subscriber episode. Congratulations on the hundred thousand brother
My go to deity in Forgotten Realms is Mystra mother of all magic. Or just the Weave it's self. Basically Asmodeus is the human's sleazy evil creator uncle. Who wants to use them for his own ends. Damn.
It would be cool to have a video on celestials. I can't find much regarding them and it would be helpful to know a bit more.
+Sean Stevens I did an ecology video on Angels, there are also Couatl, Empyreans, Modrons and Sphinxes... that's it for celestial creatures in the monster manual for 5th edition, so, if I start to stray outside the manual, I will have more to draw on for future vids.
This video mentions hitting the 1000 subscriber mark. It's currently at 102,000. Well done on growing the channel.
Asmodeus: The Biggest Bamboozle There Ever Was
Asmodeus, The Primordial Lawyer.
Thanks AJ
Ad&d's guide to hell talks Ahriman and his twin was Jazirian and they are entities of law and greater powers with no need for worship to make them strong. Ahriman is said to have fallen through Baator and now rests at the bottom of nessus.
Great vid
One of my evil gods has his worshippers join him in an outer planer afterlife. I've been moving around where it actually was for decades. When you go into that afterlife, you are granted your every desire... for all eternity. At first, it seems awesome. That fades quickly. That very thing drives you mad and you eventually twist your afterlife into a Clive Barker - Lovecraft inspired hell to break the madness of the monotony, choosing to suffer and going mad in the process. Time there is also a bit different. If you look into a scrying pool there and check out the Prime Material plane, it almost seems to stand still. So, if your friend goes there for an hour and comes back, chances are he is completely mad and desensitized to all sensations, especially pleasure. I kept placing it in Hades, but (because of both the order and the madness), I also went from the Nine Hells to the Abyss. To outside observers in those planes, the soul looks like it is in its own world within a "snowglobe" that is around 6' diameter. That soul is not actually interacting with anyone, it is literally in its own world. The evil god's minions are more like a warden, guards and maintenance workers. That god's outer plane demi-plane is finite, but it grows bigger as it gets more globes. Any suggestions where I put such a plane? The demi-outer-plane itself is actually quite orderly and the workers love looking into the globes to see how the inmates' lives are going.
Do demons / devils created from souls remember who they used to be, or are they just made from shredded soul energy? Seems to me like fighting the forces of evil isn't something that can be done through brute force. If every time you kill a servant of evil, they just go onto become a creature of the lower planes with potentially even more power than they had in life!
Destroying a devil or demon on it's home plane/dimension does permanently kill it, and demons often eat the souls of petitioners who end up in the abyss. Devils are loath to destroy souls as they need them to power their divine morphology (the ability to manipulate reality), so they often just bust a soul down to lemure status, in which case it does forget it's former life. Demons have a more chaotic origin, Dretches and Chasmes may retain knowledge of who they were, or they may not.. in many ways they may find refuge in insanity and amnesia..it would be a mercy. Demons can spontaneously generate from soul energy, so, as you say, shredded souls that get snared in the chaotic sludge of the abyss.
Thanks for the vid sir.
Your vids are great. They could use a little light music though. It helps to ease me into the story.
Thanks for this video I'm figuring out a backstory for my new cleric of order of asmodeus 😈♥️🤜
how'd you go with designing the character? I'm curious as I have a similar character and in need of inspiration.
I kinda like how Asmodeus seems to keep getting different backstories. Sort of like the identiy of SCP-001. He purposely keeps his hostory vague. I don't mind settling for one for a campaign though. I just like the idea that he may have made up others.
Great vid thanks a lot :)
I'm glad I found this, I am including Asmodeus in my campaign and will at some point have the party fighting him directly. I have fudged the lore quite a bit, but the basics of the original are very helpful to build a being off of. Glad to know of his power.
two things --
one, really interesting to think about or visualize the nine hells as a planetary sphere, while at the same time knowing each region is an infinitely large plane. cool stuff there. those mental/spatial paradoxes are always intriguing. (as you were talking about the winding paths that lead deeper into the core i flashed on half-memories, half-inventions of sumptuous "normal-seeming" palatial rooms -- libraries, dining halls, each with windows looking out on the exploding torturous fire-drenched landscape, such as we see in certain episodes of the X-Files where Mulder and the Smoking Man discuss the end of the world inside a little bubble of calm ... end of the 4th season, i think.)
two, its really hard for me at times to wrap my head around the concept of time in these D&D cosmologies. on the one hand i too want to imagine a multi-verse which is at least millions of years old, yet certain timelines, such as that of the Blood War, and the known History of Sigil, seem to only be 10,000 years old or not much older. while the exact beginning of the Blood War is left vague, many of the pivotal moments in it seem to be quite recent. while it could be argued that "mortals" can only trace the most recent parts of the Blood War ... somehow that explanation doesn't completely satisfy me. in a multiverse of magic, and which includes the meticulous record keeping of the inhabitants of Mechanus as just one example, it seems like far deeper and broader histories could be painted.
+Rp Sketchbooks In the old editions the planes of hell are infinite, in the current edition I use the world more like Plain.. the caverns are enormous, continent size, but they are not infinite.
As for the time scale... yeah, the Blood war has been waging for BILLIONS of years.. this means that when you encounter a devil, you are looking into the eyes of a being which has existed for probably hundreds of thousands of years, but to stand in the presence of Asmodeus, is to stand before a being that is millions and millions of years old, who had a part in the creation of the Human species.. which for him was something that happened not so long ago, such that Humans are still something that fascinates him, like a new toy. Demons and Devils have been ripping the crap out of each other since the demons first rampaged across the millions of prime material planes, the trillions of galaxies and the many outer planes, the devils have been at war with them for far longer than any or the mortal races can truly fathom. So, when a mortal actually manages to beat a devil in a game of wits, or actually destroy a demon.. it is quite an accomplishment!
+AJ Pickett (The Mighty Gluestick) .... wouldn't the Nine Hells need a bit of infinity to house all those souls? even if you pack 'em in like sardines ... its not just the souls from the last couple thousand years or so that are roasting in those pits, its the souls from ... well, as you say, billions of planets across billions of years ...? and i assume its not just human souls being tortured, but souls from nearly any sentient species? or do souls get "used up" like gasoline?
i need a Mechanus calculator just to think about this. %^/
from your point of view, are devils and demons immortal -- or are new ones being created all the time?
+Rp Sketchbooks They are not immune to destruction, but the energy of their spirit is usually recycled and they are reborn over and over again. However, they do get used up and can also be stored in gems and artifacts, or consumed in powerful spells that funnel the totality of the spirit's will into an act of creation (so, the life force of the creature becomes that which makes the continual alteration to reality). If you want to get all timey whimey wibbly wobbly, imagine that Baator is just one of millions of Baators and each has legions of devils and the damned.. and while there is an Asmodeus on each of them.. they are all ONE Asmodeus. This is the difference between a god, and lesser beings.
+AJ Pickett (The Mighty Gluestick) ... oooh. i like it when you get all timey whimey wibbly wobbly. i like that a lot.
=)
Any chance of a clip on Harvester Devils? In any case you do great work AJ.
You're very welcome AJ =P
I will have to use the nine hells in my game sometime, or atleast a devil.
+Derek Wise I'll be wandering through the various types, concentrating more on the ones that make their way to the material plane more often than others.
it would make sense that only the strongest would make it to the material plane. So they are the more interesting ones.
1000 subscribers! Congratulations!🤣
I really like your series. Devils, demons and Yugoloths !
In my campaign world, there was the Nalchurs (league of chaos gods who destroyed worlds for the fun of it)
They set to destroy the brand new world the god created (very like Ptolus campaign setting by Monte Cook) and it was a trap, most of them were trapped.
So... their servitors thought to refine themselves and they stripped away their lawful and chaos tendencies to be the pure evil beings. (Like in the background of some Planescape stuff).
So the Devils went to have fun with their souls, a few of them were ancient Nalchurs.
The rest of them, the masses of chaotic beings went to populate the abyss, 666 worlds that had been destroyed by the Nalchurs in the last millenias.
Now the Nalchurs are coming back, their lackeys doing the work of opening their prison.
Their catspaw are the giants, too blinded by pride to see that they are used. On the other side, it's the dragons who tries to protect the material plane and their hoards. Dragons are seen as saviors (even the chromatic ones) but when they will win, Dragon Overlords will be the subject of my next campaign. :)
+Marpaws I'll have to check out Mr Cook's Ptolus setting!
So. If the Couatl god is the patron and creator god of humanity, how would that affect human/coatl relations?
Old lore.
@@AJPickett Maybe. But far more interesting than other versions.
Why are there so many evil outsiders but hardly any good aligned ones?
+imlaughing2death interesting question. might have to think about what "evil" really means in this setting.
in the work of Lovecraft at least creatures & entities "from beyond" or "outside" were not evil in the traditional sense -- they simply had motives completely outside the normal human sphere of awareness. and so what to humans seemed like outsiders perpetrating evil or indifference to human life was really something inexplicable. it might very well be that the outsiders were engaged in a "higher purpose" that benefited life on a galactic level, but destroyed life on a planetary level. but the humans in Lovecraft's fiction were never really able to comprehend what the outsiders were doing. the whole point generally was the actions of the outsiders were so completely alien there were no reference points for comparison or understanding.
+imlaughing2death Its just that we don't often see them listed as monsters, because they don't come into contention with mortals overly much. There are trillions of good aligned outsiders! The gods who are in a constant act of creation are expanding and enriching the multiverse with new prime material worlds, new species, new ecologies and so forth, so if you can imagine that one of the primary requirements of being a god is to be able to exist in more than one dimension at the same time. The good aligned outsiders are, in many ways, more like living stories, or legendary souls, they are larger than life and embody the philosophy/alignment/expression of their realm. If you encounter a Dwarf that is native to Acheron, and a Dwarf that is native to Ysgard, they are VERY different to each other, because the environment they come from shapes the mind, as much as it shapes the body.. the Beastlands are full of sentient animals, Mechanus is full of sentient insects, Pandemonium has huge numbers of burrowing sentient worms, Bytopia is full of Gnomes, Spriggans, Sprites and Halflings, etc, etc. So, in short, there are vast and varied numbers and types of all alignments of outsiders, but the literature concentrates far more on the bad guys.
Short answer is the lawful good guys & gals are often to busy with red tape and paperwork to do much .
Its people generelay fight evil not good
"Rock me Amedeus" by Falco, you ever hear that song?
'Asmodeus' name makes me think of it hahaha since the spelling is close
the idea of an adventure /campaign in the nine hells is interesting, i dont know how i would get it started or at what level, i mean, what level do you have to be to simply survive in hell?
+trenton maloney Aside from the environment itself, and the mortal souls in the process of becoming devils, the actual devils themselves would be more interested in capturing a mortal being alive.. because mortals provide them with the energy they need to perform acts of creation, and they crave it!
So, sure, a character might get a little bit torn up, and if they fall into a flesh pit they are mince meat... but most of the true devils will, once they notice the character is not another condemned soul, do everything in their power to capture them alive, and from there, the real fun begins.. because they need to make very sure the mortal is, or becomes a damned soul.. once that happens, they have legal ownership and they can instantly execute the mortal and the soul is not going to go anywhere... it is now the property of hell.
indeed, if a person wished to walk the nine planes unhindered, they would have to be very powerful.
+trenton maloney In my campaign (Rise of Tiamat), the PC's have been forced to visit baator (via Sigil) to obtain help from Bel. This allows me to show the players not only the Forgotten Realms but the planescape setting as well, and also adds a layer of complexity to the Story: the in-fighting of the devils, Bel trying to get back Avernus, and having Tiamat plan's foiled...
Also, the players are being led there by a Tiefling PC who is in the story by request of Bel (sent to Faerun in order to help his agenda), and trying to corrupt the paladin of the party as well... Lots of fun to have here!
Vic Isgaard
interesting, the politics of hell.
trenton maloney I'm starting my group in the nine hells as part 2 of my current campaign. lvl7-8 but I think lvl 14 would be a great start level
Apologies, I'm slightly confused. During the Story of Asmodeus, you mentioned that he was one of 2 serpentine creatures, but shortly after you stated that the returned to the Celestial plane changed (corrupted) after having battled the demons (From 4:00 - 7:00). Can you please clarify? Was he a giant serpent or was he a corrupted celestial after years of battling demons?
Asmodeus makes up stories about his origins. Nobody knows for sure.
Do you ever feel like going back and rerecording the audio for some of the older videos? Your production quality has gone way up over the years.
Yes, I do.
What publication is all this info from?
So the ruler of hell in DnD is the creator's equal, but managed to kill his good counterpart. Why would Christians find anything wrong with that?
P.S.: The DC on that Sense Motive roll to detect sarcasm is 5.
Its just one version of the many tales of the origin of the plane, anyway, I seem to have no issue delineating between religion/spirituality and make believe stories from games.. it perplexes me why some folks have troubles with this relatively straight forward distinction.
Its almost as if both topics deal with make believe stories and this threatens them somehow.
Go figure.
Maybe it has to do with the usage of established names like Asmodeus, Lucifer and Mephistophiles. No one bats an eye when it's something intended as fiction, like Cthulhu or the Discworld pantheon. Note to self: see how long I can get away with having FSM as my character's deity.
Rolled a Nat 1 on sense motive :/ so checked the comments and got my answer
Don't set a DC if you dont want people to roll a Nat 1 .... Just saying ....
I know nothing about malsheem, is there enough info to make a video off of?
The Primordials, beings who made sure every parking lot faced true North! 😉😜
I'm 10/10 Gonna have my party try and fight Asmodeus.
See, if I REALLY wanted to fight Asmodeus...
Id summon Zargon to Nessus.
Just brining him back home. 😎
Please get a better mic! I love your vids, but it would be nice to hear you properly
I did, now I sound much better in vids. Thanks for the feedback :)
AJ Pickett You're awesome! Any chance you could do an in depth video on the elemental, primordials ("cold" gods like Kossuth) and their realms?
The primordial are daftpunk?
O.O ... wow
Merci
+JdR Ludiste vous êtes les bienvenus, si vous avez des demandes, laissez-moi savoir!
+AJ Pickett (The Mighty Gluestick) Comme je vais démarré une partie de Illithid, je suis toujours a la recherche d'information et de la vision des autres a ce sujet :)
+JdR Ludiste - Paul ArtworkSi vous souhaitez d'autres informations sur ou plusieurs créatures pour votre jeu, laissez-moi savoir. Je peux toujours donner des conseils, même si elle est juste un message, pas une vidéo Also.. th-cam.com/video/J8RYhB_denI/w-d-xo.html
Sorry, you said the giants were not a creation of the gods, but instead transplanted from another world?
I was pretty certain the that Titans were the first and strongest of the giants, and a direct perfection of the gods themselves. This is why Titans > Storm giants > Cloud giants >so on so on.
Demigod giants in 5th edition are called Empyreans, they are basically Titans. Oh did I mention giant lore in this video? Hmmm, its was quite some time ago, I may have a more informed and accurate giant video that appears later.
audio sounds like it was recorded in avernus
You're not wrong.
So hell is not a plane of existence? Its just one planet?
its complicated, one layer is planet-like, other planes are infinite spaces nested within the others.
Who knew that Daft Punk were primordials?
Thak
I thought this just ended up being a lie and his brother is alive and well in Mt. Celesta, the god of the Coutals???
👍
Lets play count the magic cards
Giga Baatezu
lol I love asmodius and the devils, reminds me of your career.. you start out as a helpless lemur then you talk crap as the imp, then get into your career as the bearded devil courteous aka the beard, can tear people apart but keep them away then talk depressing crap because you care aka the drowning devil, then keep everyone away aka the ice devil, then become the champion to start a family aka the horned devil, until you become the boss aka the pit lord. the demons getting cast down into the abyss is like your fear and hatred you get rid of then the daemons are like your judgemental crap and the heavens are your nice guy crap lol
Me personally or the collective "you"?
I have a question.. is this true?
Jenny Wesström it is as true as the Game of Thrones.
I see. Thank you for replying. :)
just a career perspective, us guys need to be tough when were older to take our hurting bodies lol
:-)
In my games, 99.9% of all D&D lore are just lies spun by Asmodeus to obscure the truth of his origins. Even most of the gods and goddesses are nothing more than lies crafted by Asmodeus, as ways for him to channel more and more power into himself, as he wages his endless war against AO and the high heavens.
I personally do not use the christian reward/punishment concept. I don't like it. It's trite, and internally inconsistent. I use a hindu concept of hell and devils.
I may have said the wrong thing.
@@AJPickett naw you're amazing. I love your resources. 💕 in fact, i heavily utilize your takes in my own Conception of the forgotten realms
you forgot one cavern of hell its called mah bulge ^^
hate seeing smite art and no credit
everyone has a creator god but humans one has been kill thats a shit idea
why skip the shit I want to hear about???
It's not really "religious persecution" when parents disallow their children to engage in wish fulfillment that violates their deepest beliefs. I'm certain that if you had children there are some games that you would frown upon them engaging in, ie., rape wish fulfillment, racial bigotry, burning homosexuals alive, etc.
There's a reason that games are fun and it's because it allows you to do things that you can't do in reality, such as being a hero that kills monsters...but sure, D&D voluntarily changing their product from an _intentional_ insult to Judaeo-Christian beliefs because they wanted it to sell to people who would have otherwise rejected it is "persecution."
It seems I have had this conversation so many time Levi. That was then, this is now, we can all just move along.
+Memetic Entity Subversion isn't the same thing as "borrowing ideas."
Also, is there anything that is sacrosanct to you besides self? Would you be insulted if I dismissed it as "folklore?" ...but that's your intention, isn't it?
+Memetic Entity I refer you to my initial comment.
+Memetic Entity It's like you didn't read my last comment.
+Memetic Entity You missed the point of my initial comment. The point is not about the fact that D&D is offensive, it's about the fact that it's not suffering "religious persecution." I'm not sure if you're trolling by continually trying to force me to prove intent. I concede that I can't move through your arbitrary goal posts, but it's self-evident...which is why I gave you a self-evident example hoping that you would understand.
When you make up a story about something that someone holds dear that subverts and reverses the meaning, it's insulting. I cannot prove intent, but I can point out that if you fire a weapon in someone's general direction with knowledge that they're there and you hit, in all likelihood your intention was to do harm.
I didn't take offense, that's another strawman, nor will I tell you what can be taken as offense, only that some people don't want their children to be indoctrinated against their deeply held beliefs, so they won't let their children engage in it...
As an aside, it's funny how when people complain about how much this culture appeals to everything that is traditionally held as evil for the last 3000 or so years (even by pagans) and that it's bad for children, they always say "don't let them watch, be good parents" but as soon as parents tell their kids not to do something, it's "religious persecution."
So, in case you're not getting my point, *no* I'm not compiling a list of everything that D&D has taken out of Christianity and subverted.
you have to remember I think Christian's are hypocrites and I hate associating with them.. I like associating with this stuff more fun.. fact is you have to get tougher as you get older and that's why I like this. asmodai is one tough s.o.b. he bleeds but no one can rule the cosmos but him. absolute confidence.
Not all Christians are hypocrites. The hypocrites are fakers or what I call CINOs, Christians in name only. The way I see it people have freewill. I can share my faith and pray for someone's salvation and try to help those in need, but it's up to the person themself to accept salvation. Forcing it on others is morally wrong.
Besides, this lore interests me. Despite my Christian faith I do love learning about mythology and lore. Also, with some fleshing out in future adaptations they could make a monotheastic religion around the god with no name and base it off of Christianity with a three in one godhead that make up one deity. Also Asmodeus seems to be more or less Lucifer/Satan of the D&D universe and was possibly loosely based off the devil.
Don't like the new lore
The lore on the outer planes is one of those aspects of the game that can be entirely retrofitted without grossly affecting the Prime Material world story lines, so, not much of an issue there. How do you run your outer planes?
AJ Pickett I appreciate you responding to my comment. I've been playing d&d ever since elf was a class not a race, prefer the 3rd edition explanation of asmodius
I got my start with the 1983 version of the Basic Set. AD&D for me was just "Oh no, devils! Run!", the DM was very hazy on how many devils another devil can gate into combat :)
... So the Gods in dnd are stupid and or weak the universe is dark and cruel AND the Devil is ... Right ?!? Sounds like some egdey shit Lmfao Grim Darks are lame 😒
Narration isn't your thing
Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated.