Africa before colonialism with Drs.Litchfield-Tshabalala and Asad el-Malik (Part 1)
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Her wisdom on African Spiritually and cosmology alone deserves it's own show, let alone her views on South African history.
Wow, me and my undergrad degree I feel so illiterate 😅 this lady make me to want to go back to school tomorrow. Wow what a narrator, what a powerhouse. Thank Doc's
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I've personally been to Inzalo Yelanga; on the 23rd of September we witnessed the sun rising on the calendar, when the rest of SA was dark. Incredible sighting. The African New year is really on 23 September. Mandulo.
The place also forms part of the Golden Meridian, lay line that begins at Inzalo Yelanga, through Mapungubwe, to Cush, then the great pyramids of Giza. Co ordinates super precise.
Where exactly is it so I can go when I'm next in SA to see my dali wami wife?
Thanks
@@southernafricanboy4148 Mpumalanga, look for Kaapsehoop.
These kind of discussions need to go on indefinitely. We should get a weekly episode instead of a part 1 to part n. Dr Tshabalala is one of the greatest. Excellent video!
Alilili......Nkhosi Dlamini Wena wekunene!Wena weluhlanga lakaNgwane! Wena umhlekakhulu,Hlubi wekucala,Wena lowagudla lubombo ngokuhlehletela, Hlubi lomuhle uMlangeni!
History is rich. This conversation quickened my curiosity to another level, I'm grateful to the Drs for enlightening us, There's so much to know, there's so much to discover, and there's so much to share.
I feel like with all the infor that needs to be discovered, boredom or ignorance is truly our enemy. Boredom is sin🤞
I never thought about where the SA civilization originated. Dr. Tshabalala is a wealth of information. This is a good series for those of us who were not educated (or chose not to research) African origins. Kingdoms and Queendoms! She is amazing.
There should be part 2,3,4 and and of this discussion Dr Asad.
Your taking the right path now Dr Asad, by doing this it will help audience in US and SA to understand each other's story better.
Sharing knowledge is Key my bro
Keep up a good work
Dr. Tshabalala you nailed it. I have literature covering all that this great history. There are more pyramids in Nubia than in Khemet. Thank you Drs.
without being political, we South African's must definitely acknowledge the love and pride the EFF promotes to Africans. I wish we learn and elevate ourselves more on African love
Thank you Dr Asad for bringing Dr Khanyisile Tshabalala these are nuggets and knowledge we as a people need because until the Lion 🦁 write it story the narrative will always glorified the hunter Asibonge
Definitely needs to be a continuation of this topic.
thank you mama. we dont know anything about who we are.
Creation is ferminine. Alkebulan is dumbed by Critens. but with you we are awakening.
"The Kingdom of Mapungubwe (or Maphungubgwe) (c. 1075-c. 1220) was a medieval state in South Africa located at the confluence of the Shashe and Limpopo rivers, south of Great Zimbabwe. The name is derived from either TjiKalanga and Tshivenda. The name might mean "Hill of Jackals"[1] or "stone monuments".[2] The kingdom was the first stage in a development that would culminate in the creation of the Kingdom of Zimbabwe in the 13th century, and with gold trading links to Rhapta and Kilwa Kisiwani on the African east coast. The Kingdom of Mapungubwe lasted about 80 years, and at its height the capital's population was about 5000 people."
There is something special that we can also link to Mapungubwe Kingdom, as the Venda man or Vhavenda nation has the word "gold" in their own language 'musuku' which we can link to what was happening at Mapungubwe Kingdom. So this means our people have been mining gold even before industrialization.
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We shall rise again
Southern Africa is the heartbeat of the revolution
Greetings brother Asad,love the conversation already and this land called South Africa it's true identity is Azania.
Wow thank you Dr asad for bringing mama here I'm awaken bring mama back great topic love you all african community world wide
I wish the good Dr LT was my history professor when I was in school. If you do offer classes to absorb this gold mine of info you have I would pay many Rands for it. Why is this not in the school curriculum?
I love knowledge thanks brother Assad and Adrienne for sharing.
You have a lovely name. Lahti "tha" ukuvela iLanga.
Very interesting indeed. Food for thought. Africa was civilised long before the West.
Please keep interviewing beautiful things like these. African are oral people and because our ancestors didn't write things down, nothing was recorded. Life is giving us a chance to record now. Thank you!
Is too much information, it took Dr Asad from USA to bring in DR Tshabalala to my life and some of my religion questions are answered in 30mins..
*i Need some More*
Thank you brother Asad, your brothers from Manhattan NYC thank you for your time and effort. You and the wife have been placed on this path not only for yourself but for us also. I thank you for bringing on our strong, beautiful and blessed sister. I hope to be in South Africa in November if everything works out. Peace and love.
Truth revealed often challenges beliefs. Fear and familiarity make us hold onto the same beliefs and limit our growth. I've been down this path, and grateful for the beliefs I've learned to let go of, that no longer serve me. The incredible love I have for teachers like umama is beyond measure! Thank you Asad!
My God! This is one of the fascinating video ever, I really need to read Dr Tshabalala's Ph.D thesis.
Please, let's have a series of her interviews or presentation.
I would love to contribute to this conversation. The question of who was in, and what was, South Africa pre-1600s is extremely important. I am really keen to contribute to this. In fact, the whole idea of Khamati being in the North East is a problem because the founding fatherss themselves came from Southern and Central Africa. Obviously, this is worthy of its own series, can't really be deciphered in a comments section. Brother Assad, do something good sir😄
I agree that there other pieces to our story, that Dr Tshabalala could not cover in one hour.
Books, letters and diaries of the Portuguese shed some light on some aspects of our history, especially on the issue of trade with people as far away as the east in China, long before the Dutch showed up. When the doc mentioned the Tsonga I was reminded of the presence of the Portuguese in Mpzambique, through which trade with the south took place. The doc touched on some of the stuff, one hopes that she will have another opportunity to flesh it out, because there is an intersection there with the old testament record - the parts of the old testament that everyone glosses over.
There is also an intersection where black “Jews” got expelled from Spain and later from Portugal in the 1400s and end up in west and central Africa, and some migrate down to the south while others were sent to south American islands, Cape Verde, Sao Tome. There were black people who were already living there, and here in the south. The old testament record speaks of a Gun, who could be the ancestor of the Ngunis, if we agree that humanity originated here and the old testament is our history going back 6000 years BCE/AD.
Thanks to Dr Asad for this informative session . Mkhul' Nsingiza a student of South Africas last isanusi (Sharman) should be your next guest together with Dr Tshabalala. 🙏
When exactly was he a student of "Isanusi" ?
The tsonga and Venda, Shona are actually more related to the Great Mapungubwe Civilization... Also the Tsongas some African Phylosophist declare that Tsonga are also some how related to the Nguni, through Soshangaane the King. As Zulu person I understand a bit of Tsonga.
@Trayway It is actually many Nguni groups prior to Soshangane that moved to Mpumalanga, Mozambique, Limpopo to join the Ronga/Tonga/Tsonga people, so they travelled with their language and assimilated but not all Xitsonga-speaking people are Shangaan or related to Nguni.
Absolutely amazing...
Thank you for blessing us with these pearls of wisdom.
Truly humbled .
Powerful sister that✊🏿
Thank you Dr Asad and Dr Tshabalala for the very interesting and informative topic pls if u can give chapter 2,3,4......and more
Very fascinating. I can listen to her all day. Thanks for sharing Doc!
Very informative...it brings forth the internal conflict that why patriarchy whilst it is evident in all society that woman are the cornerstone of all nations. Thanks Dr for sharing so much about our origins....roots
I am here for this
Thanks Mama and Brother Assad. I love how Mama just delivers, it's seamless and clear!
Waiting for part 2.👏🏾 It's very interesting history especially the pre-colonial history of Africa because there's a lot of information missing. I've always been curious about Africa before the common era.
Please dokotela, invite uMkhuku Nsingisa for more follow up for part 2. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Love this. Please post more... educating is key...
There was African spirituality before the imperialists Christians and Muslim arrive. The Dogon people of Mali fled to the mountains and hide the to preserve their culture against the imperialists Muslim Arabs, Although Southern Africa was Chrsitianised, a lot of African spiritualiry prevails in our region, a telling that we have spirituality that has survived these colonial monsters.
You are so right Dr ,savela emhlangeni.
This is beautiful🙌
Amazing and enriching conversation. Where can we find the rest of it?
Whew, thank you for this talk. It is providing more pieces to the puzzle of our existence.
Doc Asad, if you have another session with Dr Tshabalala, can you please ask her to speak on the issue of the Bantu and the actual word abantu, what it means in its proper context, not as bastardized by the Afrikaners.
On the issue of how we prayed, we were taught that originally we spoke to the great uMvelinqangi/Sonini Nanini/Nkulunkulu, through the ancestors. Today people seperate the two and say there is no Mvelinqangi beyond the ancestors, which the doc touched on briefly.
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Loved this so so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Please we Need a part two. I had goosebumps the entire time the good Dr was speaking and educating us.
Discussion was great,the San and Khoi most of which are coloureds like defining them selfs exclusive of Africans,hence their adoption of this Bantu people coming from the north and west,a notion perpetuated by those who don’t want to admit stealing land from Africans,all Africans where nomads to follow raining season and game hunting,the San where know to be good in rock art,evidence u will find in caves in most part of Africa,and also to add to the cradle of human kind as stated by the DR,the is also taung skull which over 2.3 million years old found in taung north west province
Majority of coloreds are not "Khoi San", majority of coloreds specially in WC are Malayans from Malaysia. Even the features of Malaysians resembles those so called coloreds specially thr ones IN WC. The real Khoi Sans ur can find in Namibia, and Bots
Until a decent number of black and coloured South Africans do DNA testing we cannot say which group has the highest number of San or Khoi descendants. Remember that when colonialists began hunting down the San and Khoi to kill them many of the Khoi and San took refuge amongst the Xhosa and Tswana clans . Overtime they assimilated into those clans. Interestingly the Xhosa language has cliques on the other hand the Tswana traditional dress code and dances look very similar to Khoi and San traditional clothing and dances. So we can expect that a high number of black people in SA would have Khoi or San ancestry. Former President Nelson Mandela did his DNA testing with the Centre of Origins at Wits and he was found to have San ancestry. I'm sure he's not an exception. The narrative that coloureds are the only descendants of the Khoi and San is another way of deleting black South Africans from the precolonial history of South Africa. I personally see it as a continuation of the "divide and conquer" strategy which whites used during apartheid.
@@dinaledi4085 Xhosa from the far West of Eastern Cape to WC are prolly more related. Even the term Xhosa is derived from Khoi Langauge for Angry/fierce people. There's no such thing as "Khoi" but it's Xhoi N San not Khoi. Khoi is jus Langauge error made by Whites since majority cant pronounce Xhoi. If ur can ask British person or American who speaks English to Say Xhosa he/she will say Khosa instead of Xhosa.
@@trayway3014 there's no such thing as Xhoi🤣💔 it's Khwe pronounced: "kh-weh"
@@shisuiuchiha480 there is, Do ur research son
I first learnt of Inzalo Yelanga from Dj Sbu's channel called Virtual Mkhukhu
Powerful history thanx stacks 🙏🏿
This needs to go into a movie.
Thank you so much. Thokoza
Powerful. Kudos Doc
N this is one of so many reasons why we say Black Americans r so well welcome to this wonderful country called South Africa, pls add mo value sir
Their presence in that country is proving very useful because they have access to hidden information, records, books and maps that are helping a lot to fill in the gaps in our history and even to make sense of our oral history that has turned into izinganekwane/iintsomi, when it was actually a method of record keeping during a time when our people had no way to document things while trekking around fleeing the Portuguese and the Arabs.
The man that can be regarded as the father of colonisation in South Africa was Jan van Riebeeck , he left a diary behind . in his diary he describe the people he found here as the Khoi . that was in 1652 . the Bantu people only migrated to the south in the 1800 . evidence of the dominance of the khoi can be found in the language of the bantu speakers . The khoi was so dominant that a whole new language was formed stemming from the Dutch language .
Fake history n whitewashed.Bantu history dates way back.
You are lost if you believe that rubbish! TO show that Bantu's and Khoi's lived with each other you will find that they even inter married. There are Bantu people with Khoi and San Blood.
@@sixLavita White ppl to try to justify their barbaric history
By the way what is khoi?He found the batwa people in the cape not in the whole of southern Africa.
The Portuguese were in Southern Africa before Jan van Riebeeck.
History is such contentious a space. There is evidence of Christianity entering and being established in Africa way before the year 600. Anyway that is that
In South Africa it’s recent the firsts people that introduced Christianity in the Xhosa culture was Ntsikana, Tiyo Soga etc.
What were the stereotypes about my Tsonga people during apartheid?😢
Love from Zimbabwe
There are many ancient traditional Bantu cities ruins in Mpumalanga. They're over 200 000 years old!
Great and useful discussion 👍🏽
There has to be part 2 of this.
I love this queen mother
The was Tswaing City in JHB..
The movement was from South Up.
Really good interview
ASA y'all
Sorry, the UNESCO symposium with Cheik Anta Diop and Theophile Obenga, was in 1974.
Doc next time please get a proper Graphic designer to design your posters /Brochure, this one looked like anything Nigerian promoting their fly by night businesses.
Lol the violence in the comment 😂🤣😂🤣
7:38 can expound on her reference on embu a place in kenya
Please can you leave leave this brilliant doctor's contact details, even if it is just an email address. Thank you Dr Asad for this video.
I will ask her permission
I enter the space with the acceptance that I know little. I'm agnostic in that regard, allow me to use the term in its English form(at).
I'm a creature of proof and when things can't be proven as matter of fact I concede none knowledge.
Where is Part 2?
Where's Part 2?
Are the Tsonga in SA and Mozambique not the same people? What about the vhaVenda in SA and Zimbabwe?
Wheres part 2?
It's really sad that the colonialists who wrote the history books claimed South Africa was empty when they landed in 1652. Where were the Khoisan , Xhosa's, Sotho, etc. Particularly the Khoisan who lived in the Western and Northern Cape all the way to Namibia and Botswana. And still do today. Were they not people? Were they not Africans? And the so-called 'Coloureds'? Did white colonialist mate with white colonialist and produced so-called Coloured? Just because they mated on African soil. And here, I'm deliberately leaving out the Cape Malay people who were brought in later as slaves. If it's not happening, it's time the history books are re-written to correct the wrong narrative. My own maternal great-grandfather was Khoisan from the Western Cape. He sure as hell did not fall from the sky or come from Asia. And he was 100% African - maybe. But the gist of all this is that, South Africa including the Western Cape was not empty land for the taking.
She is so right
Bobby Mkandawire You completely wrong ; we coloureds are not a mix between Sotho ;Xhoza ; Zulu woman and Dutch man. We coloureds are descendants of slaves that arived 1480 amounof of 20 slaves with Portuguese slaveships. The only people we coloureds saw was the Khoi and San hunter gatherers not the bantus in the Cape ; and 1500 the British and Dutch took over.
As the British soldiers said they had explore the country they did not found the Bantus Unguni people.
The Dutch and British also enslaved the San hunter gathers ;and 1652 more slaves arived ; from Asia slaves ; Muslims slaves ; White Irish slaves ; West African slaves ; Madagascar slaves ; East African slaves ; Zanzibar slaves ;Mauritius slaves ; was brought into the Cape Castle Of Good Hope and Capetown Slave Lodge and were mix with indigenous San hunter slave and we were called coloureds ; the Khoi were not slaves.
The Khoi people were working and trading with the British.
During the 1680 the Khoi saw the british were cheating ; so the Khoi decided to fight the British and the Dutch ;but the Khoi lost the fight and left the Cape Castle Of Good. According to British and Dutch who said the bantus had arived 1680 ; and the Khoi went and mix with the Xhozas. Dutch brought in 1800 the last coloured Malay slaves.
We coloureds never said we are Xhozas ore Zulus ore Sothos ; we coloureds only married with the Bantus fron the 1920. We just want be called coloured brown not black ore white. Our history is display at the Capetown Slave and Cape Castle of Good Hope. Do not create your own uncestors fore us coloureds
You can Google Slave Route to Capetown South Africa. Heritage of the slaves and you will see from which nation we coloureds come from. You can search on You Tube Patric Tariq Mellet : title Cape Slave Images.
I think Africa was not patriarchal. For instance KZN was known as kwaMthaniya. I asked my dad who is Mthaniya and he didn't know. Only to find out Mthaniya was a princess. I wont know why they had to call that place kwaMthaniya. Everything is lost we are left with names and words with no history meaning.
As a Zulu person, when I hear of Shaka Zulus behavior after his mom died, I am left with questions of why was he such a "mamas boy". He became erratic and did horrible things when his mom died. That to me says he had great respect and regard for his mother as a woman. But we can never know what type of respect men had for women in Africa because of the patriarchal society we live in today.
True . Southern Africa has many powerful women leaders both precolonially and post colonially. Princess Nandi , mother of Shaka was known to be very defiant and independant. Princess Mkabayi ,aunt to Shaka was known to be a very brave and powerful advisor to her brother King Senzangakhona. The Tlokwa people who are Sotho were led by Manthatisi as the Regent for her young son and she was known to be a powerful and brave leader even during wars. More recently we had the Queendom of Modjadji led by Queens Modjadji also known as Rain Queens . Sadly we have recently seen the Balobedu Royal family take to the courts to contest the issue of whether they can install a King or not amongst other controversial issues .In the Venda nation . the King's sister known as Makhadzi is a key figure in the Royal House . It is said that every Venda King takes counsel from the Makhadzi on all important matters regarding his reign . There are probably many other powerful female leaders in our history .
Yes, I think history needs to be balanced too. Women were removed from history or given too little credit to make the world look like only men had influence. But both genders had influence in one way or another.
She missed the Moors trek to the North to colonise the Iberian Peninsula which was called the UMAYYAD khaliphate. The ensuing wars between the black Muslims and the crusaders which led to the expulsion of the Muslims from Spain after the conquista. Racism was birthed in that era as did slavery. Otherwise her account is excellent.
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Udla amafinyela🤣🤣🤣 AU
My brotha we are not descendants of slaves,we are descendants of enslaved. Afrikans ,captive. Afrikans so when you want to honor your ancestors ,honor. Harriet. Tubman and. Nat. Turner and. Martin. Robison. Delaney and. Henry. Highland. Garnett and others
isihlahla senzenjani??🤣🤣😭
IsiZulu asitolikwa 💀😭
Lol
Portuguese were lazy. Colonialism project was not an easy project. It took a hell lot of hard work.