Andy was right about Candiace being the common denominator regarding each altercation she was part of. However, Andy should keep the same energy on the BH, NYC and OC reunions. Edit: Jeez Louise, it's WW3 down in the reply thread!
he should keep the same energy on this franchise to starting with Ashley, Karen & Gizelle who all have said some VILE stuff. He also didn’t have not one thing to say to Dr Heavenly whe she said to mama to Mariah.
Nothing new here. The same thing when Porsha assaulted Kenya and still bragging about it with Bravos blessings. Hopefully nobody gets seriously hurt. It's too serious of an issue to not do something about it. It should be some clear rules. You put your hands on someone, you are out with legal charges pressed, periodt!! Can't see how entertaining violence can be? Spitting, throwing stuff, pulling hair, knives, glasses, etc ... so uneccessary and degrading. It's 2021 during a pandemic xxx
I think the difference is candiace doesn’t have genuine friendships with the girls, so Andy can have more of an opinion whereas with other franchises he doesn’t want to meddle in genuine friendships. All of candiaces storyline is her being vile
@@fatimawales8735 I agree completely. I would also add false rape accusations to it (see the Phaedra sex dungeon mess). I see some people wanting her back and I believe that what she did was just as severe as physical violence. These shows are messy but it should be kept light, that Atlanta season was extremely dark.
You didn’t see how he was going in on Gizelle with the Jamal situation and her fashions?? Candiace is vicious loud mouth belligerent woman who’s taking her pent up issues on everyone else and doesn’t own her behavior and just so happens to be of a darker hue. By your logic Andy should of been going in on Wendy then as well. Stop using color is a sword and shield to validate your unfounded perceptions
If Candiance goes, Lisa Rinna, Dorit, Robyn & Kyle should bounce too. If Andy is basing it on viewers asking for housewives to be fired. Cos we sick & tired of them too Chile.
The main problem this season was not Mia. It's Dorothy. Her sharing information to a complete stranger indicates how bad her relationship is with her daughter. Dorothy should have been brought on the couch to explain some things.
@@leratomaninjwa Isn't it what they do and get paid for? Don't personally enjoy it but guess fame and money will get some people to do whatever it takes to stick around 😃
@@leratomaninjwa Everyone is supposed to be messy on Housewives. Dorothy could have just paid Mia dust but she was only too happy to tell her her daughter's business. Mia does not owe Candiace anything.
@@leratomaninjwa You are totally right. It's obvious!!! Mia knew she would start something by doing that. Her mom, Dorothy acted disgracefully though. She keeps doing things that thoroughly devalues her daughter and gives these women leverage to use against her daughter. If I was Candaice ibwould ban my mom from the show. I would never use her as a therapist. It's just terrible what she does to her daughter.
Everybody also wants Lisa Rinna to be fired but you never brought it up... Honestly. It's pretty clear Andy has favorites and he picks and chooses the amount of respect he gives to these ladies compared to the ones in Beverly...
But to be fair - candaice is destroying the Potomac housewives brand. As the second all black female housewife franchise it has a sense of opulence (ATL lost that many season back & might as well be LHH at this point). Monique behaved ghetto and was cut...Candiance is being ghetto, trashy and destroy the black excellence credibitakity and needs to be cut now!
@@christinabarcelona6071 not too long ago Gizelle & Robyn rolled up on Ashley and put their fingers in her face. Karen walked up to Gizelle one time and they were both screaming in a hotel lobby full of people. So I don’t get why they want to draw the line at Candiace when she gives a reaction
I def don’t like Andy’s tone towards Candiace vs. his tone to the morally corrupt Sugar Baby who’s accused of stealing from Orphans and Widows at Beverly Hills.
Ok so Candaice told Mia her mother low budget after Mia said her work was low budget and that was the worst thing on planet Earth right?? But when Marlo told Kenya 'that's why ur own mother doesn't want u' not only Marlo was never held accountable for it, Porsha chuckled and the fans were defending Marlo... like?? What did Candaice say that is SOO fowl??
Exactly. And, Phaedra went in on Cynthia's thyroids and both Kenya's eggs AND her sperm bank visits. Nobody came at Phaedra for those FEMALE BODY low blows.
Candiace's problems is not that she starts shit - her problem is that when she tries to finish it, she takes it further than she herself can handle. She says cruel, hurtful shit and expects that to be the end of it. Karen says mean shit, but she owns it. Ashley says mean shit, but she owns it. Wendy says mean shit, but she owns it. Monique said mean shit, but she owned it. Almost all of these women could take the heat from whatever it was they dished out first. Candiace is one of the few who plays victim & villain at the same time. That said, this doesn't take away the colourism and racism the darker skinned Black Housewives are subjected to. Andy's about worse than all of these wives combined.
Gizelle can't the way she gaslightet Wendy, and can't take enybody talking about her. Ashley protected Michael when he SH/SA men behind the scenes. And mo and Robin was about to throw down so it confuses me that every one gets a pass but her
I'm sorry, Candice has not said anything that we all haven't heard the other housewives say. They need to go after Dorinda, Phaedra, Kenya, Porsha, Nene, Vicki, Kelly Dodd, Bethany, etc out. This is BS, bye!
I'm irritated by the hypocrisy. They all say and some even do nasty things. They start with Candice and throw dogs at her when it comes to her mom and husband. They do that knowing now it has become a trigger for her and how they want to police how she reacts. Gizeele of all people scolding and advising someone on what they say. This is bull shit. If Candice leaves they will turn on the next person. This is stupid. If you guys cant handle Candices mouth leave ber alone!!!! Stop stirring the pot with her. They all know what they are doing!!! Andy would have been nice if you were this harsh with Erika . Such a difference in your tone!! Ashley and Gizelle had the most careless mouths but no one dared to tell them that they deserve to get clocked. Stupid show
@@SomiFitBossNG You are making my point. He should have grilled Nene too!!! Erika he asked the questions meant to be asked but he was not harsh despite Erikas lack of empathy for the victims. His tone was not harsh. Candice says she didnt know about Mia's mom's struggles and he keeps going on. People feel they can toy with her but they dont can't handle her mouth. either
He never grills heavenly too but I think the difference btn candiace and the 2 ladies you've mentioned is accountability.... Ash and Gizzy do own up to their stuff but candiace never. However candce should listen to Chris and stop giving these women airtime to earn off of her. She needs to read in a calm manner, walk away and not always engage they'll be scrambling for a storylines next season and she better not be there storyline so fans can snooze after all this season has been centered around her and Wendy's reactions everytime thyr provoked .candyc needs to grow up act smart and stop putting all her feelings and emotions in this show be as plastic as the rest
@@deroshable Ashkey and Gizzelle were always starting with people. That is their mo create the drama and show up at the reunion and give a fake apology just to go back next season and do the same dig gone thing again. That kind if apology is worthless. If Candace starts the drama she should apologize and she has in the past however if they start with her and expect her to not respond or respond the way they want her to and show up at the reunion to apologize. That is ludicrous. Someone above did say that she should learn to not let them ruffle her feathers that makes sense but if you come for my husband or any member of my family the bear will come out. It takes Jesus to help some of us to react by turning the other cheek. They shouldn't expect everyone to respond how they would prefer. Just dont go looking for trouble.
I love how Candiace justifies her behaviour by blaming the “black community” - girl please, your lack of self awareness and self control is on you, no one else!
Candiace responded to Mia’s disrespect and disgusting behaviour. Those other bitches come for her mum and husband all the time! She has a right to respond
Stand tall on your insults, when she throw that shit back at you, don't get in yo feelings. You keep gaslighting candiace like them other girls never do wrong or start w her.
I agree. For the most part, she seems to have the least confrontations with the ladies yet when she responds, everybody is dumbfounded. I do believe she means well at first but you back a lion into a corner, you can't ask the lion to just graze you! Girl, that lion will eat your bones and suck the bones too!
The issue isn't who started it,it's that she brings a machine gun to a knife fight,they may start with her but she absolutely trashes them and while it may be satisfying ,she goes too far . She already shut down the party but went ahead and called the police got ,the media and an arson on the premises......
And they get away wirh EVERYTHING thay they say whether it comes to cheating rumours, taxes, mums, husbands But when Candiace REACTS meaning they have come at her. They say she goes too far and theyve started to gas light Wendy too.
IDGAF what anybody says. If you start an argument, you DO NOT have the right to dictate how they reply. You want to spar? Be prepared for the clapback, cause you started it. I'm TIRED of everyone policing Candiace's REPLIES, but seeing nothing wrong with the constant Candiace-provoking which TRIGGERS her replies. If y'all don't want smoke, stop poking. If you poke, expect a clapback! End of story!
She should keep that same energy!! Always flapping her gums but cry’s when she gets her ass beat. Don’t write a check your ass can’t cash!!! If ppl can’t dictate her response she can’t dictate theirs 🤷🏽♀️.That is why people can’t stand her.
In the words of Kandi Burruss "don't start none won't be none". This policing of responses and selective correcting has got to stop. They are clutching at straws and clear as daylight. They never play the worse foul things Ashley has done pre-baby Dean and Dylan - goodbye
I just need her to stop crying when she get her ass beat. Sis if you’re going to run your mouth be prepared to potentially get popped in it. Don’t play victim later like you’re just so confused on why you got hit.
@@diamondlashae9099 In other words she should just take it and not respond when people talk crazy to her out of fear that those bullies can't handle her sticking up for herself with her words. She should just stay quiet when they come for her even though she doesn't call for them? Got it!
@kagiso I don’t think I said that. I think I said she needs to be prepared for the outcome if she’s going to run her mouth and stop playing victim 🤷🏽♀️
@@diamondlashae9099but see what I'm saying she's not "running her mouth" she's responding to the provocation. The outcome of that should not be people using their hands it should be them using their vocabulary - the same way, they would have provoked her using their mouths. We might have to agree to disagree on this one🤷🏽♀️
@@hao9508 She just said her video was low budget and Candiace said her mother is low budget. Since that’s okay to say to Candiace why is Mia angry about her response. You all pick and choose what you want to see.
I'm able to call out Andy for his clear bias when addressing the black casts on incidents than when he's addressing the white casts on similar situations, and also agree with him on questioning Candiace's fouls behavior.
I like how Karen made the point, Her and Gizelle feud nearly ever season but do it somewhat respectfully. They don't hit too low nor get too personal and they have underlying love for eachother lol.
Um, didn't Karen START this season off by calling Gizelle a broken whore from Hampton University and implied that Gizelle has an infection? How is that respectful? That IS low and personal.
The only reason Candiace is the comman denominator is because the gas lighters Gizzelle, Robin, Ashley and now Mia COME FOR HER. She literally only RESPONDS. But people are okay with the gas lighters being "messy". Sorry but shes human and you know damn well if you had people coming at you through your home, generational wealth, mother and husband, youd defend yourself. Tf. People have amnesia over what the gas lighrers have done and continue to day and get away with. Its honestly disturbing. Light em up Candiace. Defend yourself the way you see fit.
@@fasting2BaFitME You know us my sister, we are loyal to the core. I love Candiace, she is loyal to her friends and doesn't go around talking about them. One thing about her is if you come for her she will respond in your face and it will end there. I am team Candiace all day 💃💃💃
@@nokulungaluhdolmdletshe9254 I'm right there with you. I do not understand people who literally watch this show and see how Mia has been coming for her, and then turn around and say she provokes people. She legit treats each person with kindness, never starts ish with anyone, but they come for her, and when she responds she is a bad guy. Hell no. I love Candiace, and UNTIL I see her she insulting people for no reason, Ima stick beside her.
Candace didn't go in depth about what Mia's mom was dealing with. Mia threw an insult at Candace and sis flung it right back to her and put a generic, elementary "yo mama" in the front of it. How is that below the belt? Potomac is late imo. Too much acting from untalented, bougie women
In this instance I don’t feel sorry for Candice , when the season started she was siding with the green eyed bandits and now they are throwing her under the bus
She was nice to everyone on the show, they all start shit with her cos without her they have no story line. No one was talking about Saw face Mia till she argued with Candace
If you can’t take it don’t start it. They start with her but when she responds it’s too much. How on earth do you come for a person and I response she has to care about your feelings? It’s okay not to like a person but all this she is this, she is that is pure bs.
Why can't Candiace just say she was wrong to bring up mothers? Mothers of their ages don't have a lot of time left and that provokes people even more emotionally. Does the black community really attack each other's mothers like its normal? Its never happened where I've been.
Giselle hit the spot when she said to Candiace ‘ but you threw the salad first’. ding ding ding!! Just like when Monique was fired up because of Candiace urging her to fight!!
So... according to Gizelle Mia would have been justified if she wanted to fight Candice but Moniece is a vile human being who was wrong for trying protect her family
Compared to some things that Bethenny, Brandi, Kenya, Nene or Phaedra have said to other castmatee, the things Candiace say is just a cry for attention
See but I can't stand her. She's sneaky and shady behind peoples backs. She's got her own kids calling her out and yet she thinks her sh*t don't stink. Her and Robin are nasty and fake.
These women are so self unaware it's scary . Every single one of these women have insulted one another . Now , when it's Candice it's an issue ? Don't start none , won't be none . Period .
in life i generally agree with you. but in my opinion, this isn’t life, it’s the real housewives. shade will be thrown. disagreements will occur. pettiness is expected. this is just what you sign up for to make good telly. so the issue is really about candiace bringing a gun to a knife fight, because you’ve agreed to a knife fight by joining the cast.
@Fundiswa Gumede well said. Giselle is the worst, from season 1 she has been straight evil and even then the show was boring. She has been throwing shade at people, talking about them, their families, discrediting their achievements, questioning their homes and bank balances and people say Candiace is mean. That is BS!! Candiace never speaks badly about anyone but only responds to a person that comes for her. And the truth is the show has been getting more interesting since she joined. And will be boring after she leaves.
Candice say some way too nasty things but in truth they all do... And like she said if u can't handle what she's gonna tell u do t come for her.... I think people are crazy about the mom part but Mia also call out her work saying it cheap... In the end they both said hurtful things to each other but one had more weight.. Period....
I’m pissed abt what is happening bc they all went in dirty places and what Candiace says is true, they all pick apart one another, even very low (saying they Monique’s child was not Chris’ is veryyyy low) and they didn’t flinch but then when Candiace does it then she’s the mean one … I believe it’s a setup and I dislike it very much 🥲
Stupid show. They bully cadiance and expect her to keep quiet. All the ladies say mean stuff why is cadiance any different? Urgh! Can't take this show😡😡
Candiace needs to do some self reflection because how are you a grown woman throwing childish insults like "yo mama" to other grown women. This isnt the early 2000s. Regardless of how the other women are, they are not as vile and nasty like Candiace. Her insults and shade aren't that, they are just downright foul
Thank you. Plus, even looking back as a grown woman and not admitting any fault in any situation, is shameful. On top of that, she also likes to simultaneously play victim
@@ThashaPN12 with her dry ass tears and folded napkin. i just hear a tiny violin everytime she does it. like, girl bye. i didnt even hear a proper apology to Mia even though Mia apologised to her
@@Cherriez99 She is but Candiace takes it to another level. Why would you call a pregnant woman wide? Why would you say someone's mother is low-budget? Ashley is awful yes but let's not pretend that Candiace is an angel with her folded napkin and baby crocodile tears
BC Erika Jayne is scary!! Come on guys. Candiace is like a lil mouse....Erika J is a big bully. Andy was also scared of Nene and never talked to her harshly.
@@steph1672 Regardless of Erika's "scary" persona, Andy shouldn't be so openly biased and keep the same energy for ALL the housewives each time. That's why he's not a good host.
Candiace can be comical but her friendly banter goes to a dark place sometimes. She's not the only HW that does this though. The relationships on this show is slowly turning toxic. I hope they can recover better and faster than the other franchises.
so you’re saying candiace started the fight when mia was asking questions about her husband? bring messy mia? i still like her tho but she did candiace wrong
Me too. Candace and her mouth are my faves. She only comes for you if you come for her. Don't start digging your own grave then complain once you're buried in it
I think that’s the thing with Karen & Giselle they feud every season pretty much & no matter how bad it can get you can still tell there is a certain level of respect between the two.
I agree with Candiace. She don't start shit but she damn well finishes it and she's right, the others simply can't keep up. The whole ya mama thing is a quick snappy comeback, it's not a reflective of Mias mother, it a snapback!
Thank you. I’m watching this back and it’s insaneee to me how Andy went so hard on this woman yet will happily ignore and joke about those other women’s nasty behavior
Andy people are shouting it on their rooftops “FIRE ERIKA, RINNA AND DORIT” and you’re not breathing a word of that to those huns…just stop, you’re hideous at this point. 🙄
Seems like everyone is regretting having Candiace's back last season. Now that 👑Monique is gone they can't tip toe over the fact that Candiace has issues.
And what about their own issues? They were hypocrites last season and they're hypocrites thus season and obviously can't stop so we'll be seeing these hypocrites next season too..that's what Andy pays them for
That's absolute BS! Have you even taken note of some of the stuff that was said? On all the shows! Candiace needs to learn to play silly games like the rest of them. Back stabbing and being two faced. Say one thing to their face then say they have an sti behind their back! And that's just one of the nicer comments. Candiace is too open. She just says what she's feeling. The women are nasty! I mean Gizzelle and her refusing to let people use the bathroom!? Childish as heck. All that gossip about Karen and taxes, her house, the husband, the pool boy etc etc. They just do it all a bit more shady.
Andy has kept the same energy, I remember he did it with Porsha, Kelly (RHONYs3), Brandi (RHOBH), Vicki, Jill Zarin, Ramona, I mean YALL pick and choose
I'm sorry y'all but I see where Candiace is coming from.... These women believe she is an easy target because she has lived a privileged life and happens to be younger than most of them. She does not start problems and when she shares her truth with the group, they use it against her. When she responds, she is reprimanded. Even her own mum comes for her and she is left in a corner alone trying to defend herself. I believe she is VERY misunderstood and wants to be loved and respected by people she claims to love and respect.
Yup I agree I want her to go back to her bubbly personality when she first came on the show and not take this show seriously while throwing light shade.
Candiace has got the nerve to say she reads better than anyone there. No honey the rest have got the sense and gumption to know when to stop or not take things to far and if they do they have the humility to own their bs and apologise.
Karen: "Oh I don't think nobody better than me and Gizelle" Karen has such a crush on Gizelle loves to group the two of them together! She did not need to give her this credit lmaoooo.
Why can't the Beverly Hills cast have a common outfit color?? Every other franchise does it and they look magnificent. These women look radiant in pink! The recent Beverly Hills cast reunion look like they all going to different events at different times.
Yes the Potomac gals really looked pretty in pink. Giselle's dress was nicer than some of the others. I don't think her style is as horrible as they say. Sometimes she looks amazing in her outfits.
I'm 100% on Candiaces side on this one. She is a wordsmith and sure she is immature in her delivery BUT you can't tell someone how to react if you decide to come for them! It's not fault that people can't keep up..
THANK YOU! because this bashing of candiace is definitely wrong because she takes it further they choose to be overly opinionated about something every other housewife has done BS they can go to hell - i’m mad for candiace
And she is not going anywhere. Bravo knows that before she came on the show the show was flat. People had nothing to talk about. She is a boss!! Fact!!
I do get what gizelle is saying because she did throw some of that lettuce at Mia first. So in this specific instance, if Mia dragged her it kinda would be justified.
Andy was right about Candiace being the common denominator regarding each altercation she was part of. However, Andy should keep the same energy on the BH, NYC and OC reunions.
Edit: Jeez Louise, it's WW3 down in the reply thread!
he should keep the same energy on this franchise to starting with Ashley, Karen & Gizelle who all have said some VILE stuff. He also didn’t have not one thing to say to Dr Heavenly whe she said to mama to Mariah.
Nothing new here. The same thing when Porsha assaulted Kenya and still bragging about it with Bravos blessings. Hopefully nobody gets seriously hurt. It's too serious of an issue to not do something about it. It should be some clear rules. You put your hands on someone, you are out with legal charges pressed, periodt!! Can't see how entertaining violence can be? Spitting, throwing stuff, pulling hair, knives, glasses, etc ... so uneccessary and degrading. It's 2021 during a pandemic xxx
I think the difference is candiace doesn’t have genuine friendships with the girls, so Andy can have more of an opinion whereas with other franchises he doesn’t want to meddle in genuine friendships.
All of candiaces storyline is her being vile
@@fatimawales8735 I agree completely. I would also add false rape accusations to it (see the Phaedra sex dungeon mess). I see some people wanting her back and I believe that what she did was just as severe as physical violence. These shows are messy but it should be kept light, that Atlanta season was extremely dark.
The energy is shows towards Candace is a reflection of the energy he receives from the public.
I'm not team candiace but damn Andy I need you to keep the same energy with the palm colored housewives!
You didn’t see how he was going in on Gizelle with the Jamal situation and her fashions?? Candiace is vicious loud mouth belligerent woman who’s taking her pent up issues on everyone else and doesn’t own her behavior and just so happens to be of a darker hue. By your logic Andy should of been going in on Wendy then as well. Stop using color is a sword and shield to validate your unfounded perceptions
I mean Gizelle and Ashley both got their asses handed down by Andy.
Why can't a darker skinned woman be held to the same standard?
Pretty sure he's laid into Ramona on several occasions. Granted it was deserved but I don't think colour has anything to do with it.
Bye girl, i was gonna look for that race card and it was first comment! Poor victim!
@@chrisspike3282 It never stops.
Professional victims all of them.
I wish Andy could've kept the same energy for Erika
Damn skippy ! I can’t with him always coming for Candiace. She should tell him where to stick it one day and walk off his set. Uugh!
Me too
He's afraid Ericka will bite his head off too😅
@@cocochanel6689 100 percent
i think he did ? did u watch the reunion
Andy's question, "So if you say her mom is low budget she's supposed to thank you?" 😂😂😂
Great question 😌
If Candiance goes, Lisa Rinna, Dorit, Robyn & Kyle should bounce too. If Andy is basing it on viewers asking for housewives to be fired. Cos we sick & tired of them too Chile.
Remona to
Erika should be on the top of this list!
@Shiny... 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That's right !!! They all should have left after how terrible they treated LVP.
At least they got rid of Teddi's boring ass 😭
The main problem this season was not Mia. It's Dorothy.
Her sharing information to a complete stranger indicates how bad her relationship is with her daughter.
Dorothy should have been brought on the couch to explain some things.
mia was being messy because she obviously knows the state of their relationship so she was asking those questions to start nonsense with candiace
Mia can go too
@@leratomaninjwa
Isn't it what they do and get paid for? Don't personally enjoy it but guess fame and money will get some people to do whatever it takes to stick around 😃
@@leratomaninjwa Everyone is supposed to be messy on Housewives.
Dorothy could have just paid Mia dust but she was only too happy to tell her her daughter's business.
Mia does not owe Candiace anything.
@@leratomaninjwa You are totally right. It's obvious!!! Mia knew she would start something by doing that. Her mom, Dorothy acted disgracefully though. She keeps doing things that thoroughly devalues her daughter and gives these women leverage to use against her daughter. If I was Candaice ibwould ban my mom from the show. I would never use her as a therapist. It's just terrible what she does to her daughter.
Everybody also wants Lisa Rinna to be fired but you never brought it up... Honestly. It's pretty clear Andy has favorites and he picks and chooses the amount of respect he gives to these ladies compared to the ones in Beverly...
Hallelujah, this is straight facts💯
I know that’s right
Lisa rinna should of been fired year's ago she is a bully.
Thank you! He’s not neutral and it shows!
I think they need a new host because this has ben a problem for like forever 😑
To be fair Andy, we have told you for years to fire Robyn, Kyle, Lisa Rinna. I don't get why he is concerned about Candinace 😂😂
But to be fair - candaice is destroying the Potomac housewives brand. As the second all black female housewife franchise it has a sense of opulence (ATL lost that many season back & might as well be LHH at this point). Monique behaved ghetto and was cut...Candiance is being ghetto, trashy and destroy the black excellence credibitakity and needs to be cut now!
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EXACTLYYYYYY!!!!!
@@christinabarcelona6071 i agree
@@christinabarcelona6071 not too long ago Gizelle & Robyn rolled up on Ashley and put their fingers in her face. Karen walked up to Gizelle one time and they were both screaming in a hotel lobby full of people. So I don’t get why they want to draw the line at Candiace when she gives a reaction
1000's of people want Candiace fired, Andy talks about it.
1,000,000's of people want Rinna fired, not a peep.
Interesting.
Rinna did not get physical thats the big difference imo
@@SpicyRess808 Really? Yet she almost choked Kim some seasons ago. Are we watching different shows?
@@asenathkiaw my comment is still valid. She did not choke Kim
@@SpicyRess808 But she did throw a broken glass to Kim very aggressively.
@@asenathkiaw I remember her smacking her wine glass on the table only but if she did throw it at Kim I will agree with you!
Andy is so biased OH MY GOD!!! He holds other Housewives at a lesser standard and is more forgiving and lenient
I def don’t like Andy’s tone towards Candiace vs. his tone to the morally corrupt Sugar Baby who’s accused of stealing from Orphans and Widows at Beverly Hills.
Rewatch the reunion of Beverly Hills. He Grilled Erika and he kept the same energy.
He 100% kept that energy with Erika.
Oh here we go reaching 🤣
Oh come on!
He did grill Erika to the point she lashed out at him.
@@w.s3602 Bt he never spoke abt firing her..🤢
Ok so Candaice told Mia her mother low budget after Mia said her work was low budget and that was the worst thing on planet Earth right?? But when Marlo told Kenya 'that's why ur own mother doesn't want u' not only Marlo was never held accountable for it, Porsha chuckled and the fans were defending Marlo... like?? What did Candaice say that is SOO fowl??
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Thank you!!!!
We'll never know
@@IamBarati 😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly. And, Phaedra went in on Cynthia's thyroids and both Kenya's eggs AND her sperm bank visits. Nobody came at Phaedra for those FEMALE BODY low blows.
Candiace's problems is not that she starts shit - her problem is that when she tries to finish it, she takes it further than she herself can handle. She says cruel, hurtful shit and expects that to be the end of it. Karen says mean shit, but she owns it. Ashley says mean shit, but she owns it. Wendy says mean shit, but she owns it. Monique said mean shit, but she owned it. Almost all of these women could take the heat from whatever it was they dished out first. Candiace is one of the few who plays victim & villain at the same time. That said, this doesn't take away the colourism and racism the darker skinned Black Housewives are subjected to. Andy's about worse than all of these wives combined.
It’s always about race unfortunately. But yte don’t get that.
@@SomiFitBossNG I agree I really don't see this as a race issue here.
Sorry but why is her skin tone relevant here...can we progress further than this ffs🤦
@@SomiFitBossNG fr
Gizelle can't the way she gaslightet Wendy, and can't take enybody talking about her. Ashley protected Michael when he SH/SA men behind the scenes. And mo and Robin was about to throw down so it confuses me that every one gets a pass but her
KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY WITH RHOBH
Thank you!! His attitude is so different here . Candiance is rude. But erica is straight up evil! And yet he handles rhobh wirh kid gloves!
I'm sorry, Candice has not said anything that we all haven't heard the other housewives say. They need to go after Dorinda, Phaedra, Kenya, Porsha, Nene, Vicki, Kelly Dodd, Bethany, etc out. This is BS, bye!
Don’t forget Heavenly
@@relaxwithnature6532 she is the worst
Thank you
I'm irritated by the hypocrisy. They all say and some even do nasty things. They start with Candice and throw dogs at her when it comes to her mom and husband. They do that knowing now it has become a trigger for her and how they want to police how she reacts. Gizeele of all people scolding and advising someone on what they say. This is bull shit. If Candice leaves they will turn on the next person. This is stupid. If you guys cant handle Candices mouth leave ber alone!!!! Stop stirring the pot with her. They all know what they are doing!!! Andy would have been nice if you were this harsh with Erika . Such a difference in your tone!! Ashley and Gizelle had the most careless mouths but no one dared to tell them that they deserve to get clocked. Stupid show
That’s right gurrrl. Preach to the congregation
@@SomiFitBossNG You are making my point. He should have grilled Nene too!!! Erika he asked the questions meant to be asked but he was not harsh despite Erikas lack of empathy for the victims. His tone was not harsh. Candice says she didnt know about Mia's mom's struggles and he keeps going on. People feel they can toy with her but they dont can't handle her mouth. either
@Girlwho Isntyou Gosh!!! What is this one talking about? This comment lacks any reason or intelligence.
He never grills heavenly too but I think the difference btn candiace and the 2 ladies you've mentioned is accountability.... Ash and Gizzy do own up to their stuff but candiace never. However candce should listen to Chris and stop giving these women airtime to earn off of her. She needs to read in a calm manner, walk away and not always engage they'll be scrambling for a storylines next season and she better not be there storyline so fans can snooze after all this season has been centered around her and Wendy's reactions everytime thyr provoked .candyc needs to grow up act smart and stop putting all her feelings and emotions in this show be as plastic as the rest
@@deroshable Ashkey and Gizzelle were always starting with people. That is their mo create the drama and show up at the reunion and give a fake apology just to go back next season and do the same dig gone thing again. That kind if apology is worthless. If Candace starts the drama she should apologize and she has in the past however if they start with her and expect her to not respond or respond the way they want her to and show up at the reunion to apologize. That is ludicrous. Someone above did say that she should learn to not let them ruffle her feathers that makes sense but if you come for my husband or any member of my family the bear will come out. It takes Jesus to help some of us to react by turning the other cheek. They shouldn't expect everyone to respond how they would prefer. Just dont go looking for trouble.
I love how Candiace justifies her behaviour by blaming the “black community” - girl please, your lack of self awareness and self control is on you, no one else!
Facts.
Candiace responded to Mia’s disrespect and disgusting behaviour. Those other bitches come for her mum and husband all the time! She has a right to respond
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She’s very proudly from the country club so I don’t know why she keeps on bringing black people when she says vile things
Candiace has a whole potato on her shoulder not a chip! 34 going on 16!
There is no truth that defeats this.
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More like a sack of potatoes 😳
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You are a wordsmith 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Perfectly said. She needs to look within.
Stand tall on your insults, when she throw that shit back at you, don't get in yo feelings. You keep gaslighting candiace like them other girls never do wrong or start w her.
I agree. For the most part, she seems to have the least confrontations with the ladies yet when she responds, everybody is dumbfounded. I do believe she means well at first but you back a lion into a corner, you can't ask the lion to just graze you! Girl, that lion will eat your bones and suck the bones too!
But I do believe she knew about Mia's mum situation and decided to be ruthless with it.
The issue isn't who started it,it's that she brings a machine gun to a knife fight,they may start with her but she absolutely trashes them and while it may be satisfying ,she goes too far . She already shut down the party but went ahead and called the police got ,the media and an arson on the premises......
All of them gaslighted monique last year so its KARMA time for candiace she is sickening
And they get away wirh EVERYTHING thay they say whether it comes to cheating rumours, taxes, mums, husbands
But when Candiace REACTS meaning they have come at her. They say she goes too far and theyve started to gas light Wendy too.
But the dentist always talks about someone's momma and is still on Married to Medicine.
Candiace doesn't read, she insults
They ALL DO Candice is just the only one people heat for it
A read is an insult 😒
But a read is meant to insult someone...
@@ajanishillingford4849 they always try to act so deep and end up sounding crazy💀
A read is an insult, what are you saying??
IDGAF what anybody says. If you start an argument, you DO NOT have the right to dictate how they reply. You want to spar? Be prepared for the clapback, cause you started it. I'm TIRED of everyone policing Candiace's REPLIES, but seeing nothing wrong with the constant Candiace-provoking which TRIGGERS her replies. If y'all don't want smoke, stop poking. If you poke, expect a clapback! End of story!
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Exactly
She should keep that same energy!! Always flapping her gums but cry’s when she gets her ass beat. Don’t write a check your ass can’t cash!!! If ppl can’t dictate her response she can’t dictate theirs 🤷🏽♀️.That is why people can’t stand her.
@@diamondlashae9099
Take your behind back to Compton with your mentality. 🤮 *Blocked & Dismissed* .
@TheVictoriousRoyale was I supposed to be bothered by that comment😂😂?
In the words of Kandi Burruss "don't start none won't be none". This policing of responses and selective correcting has got to stop. They are clutching at straws and clear as daylight. They never play the worse foul things Ashley has done pre-baby Dean and Dylan - goodbye
Exactly. The Alzheimer’s thing.
I just need her to stop crying when she get her ass beat. Sis if you’re going to run your mouth be prepared to potentially get popped in it. Don’t play victim later like you’re just so confused on why you got hit.
@@diamondlashae9099 In other words she should just take it and not respond when people talk crazy to her out of fear that those bullies can't handle her sticking up for herself with her words. She should just stay quiet when they come for her even though she doesn't call for them? Got it!
@kagiso I don’t think I said that. I think I said she needs to be prepared for the outcome if she’s going to run her mouth and stop playing victim 🤷🏽♀️
@@diamondlashae9099but see what I'm saying she's not "running her mouth" she's responding to the provocation. The outcome of that should not be people using their hands it should be them using their vocabulary - the same way, they would have provoked her using their mouths. We might have to agree to disagree on this one🤷🏽♀️
I can relate to her , she comes from a place of consistently defending herself. Girl aren't you tired , you need to let something pass you.
Andy being pathetic in this clip. Where was this energy at Beverly Hills?
Powerful women in Bev Hills like Kathy Hilton .. powerful women
Andy Cohen should get fired before Candiace i can stomach this man anymore
Mia came for her! What was she supposed to do?
They want her to hug Mia. People are just funny. No logical reasoning.
I don’t get it either. What was she supposed to do. When you fight and under attack, you bring out everything.
She just said her clip was low budget. No need to throw salad at her. Candice is tiring
@@hao9508 Your mama low budget!
@@hao9508 She just said her video was low budget and Candiace said her mother is low budget. Since that’s okay to say to Candiace why is Mia angry about her response. You all pick and choose what you want to see.
I'm able to call out Andy for his clear bias when addressing the black casts on incidents than when he's addressing the white casts on similar situations, and also agree with him on questioning Candiace's fouls behavior.
I like how Karen made the point, Her and Gizelle feud nearly ever season but do it somewhat respectfully. They don't hit too low nor get too personal and they have underlying love for eachother lol.
They’ve been worse.
Um, didn't Karen START this season off by calling Gizelle a broken whore from Hampton University and implied that Gizelle has an infection? How is that respectful? That IS low and personal.
TheVictoriousRoyale and the sing sing comment. Ashley also made fun of Alzheimer’s despite both Karen’s parents passing away from it
@@KL-Lady
Exactly! Yo', these delusional fans have such selective memory.
TheVictoriousRoyale Forreal it’s like we’re mot watching the same show. Candaice gets treated so differently
The only reason Candiace is the comman denominator is because the gas lighters Gizzelle, Robin, Ashley and now Mia COME FOR HER.
She literally only RESPONDS.
But people are okay with the gas lighters being "messy". Sorry but shes human and you know damn well if you had people coming at you through your home, generational wealth, mother and husband, youd defend yourself.
Tf.
People have amnesia over what the gas lighrers have done and continue to day and get away with.
Its honestly disturbing.
Light em up Candiace. Defend yourself the way you see fit.
👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you and she barely ever speaks badly about people. She only responds or defends a friend
Yes always ! That is why Candee will always be my girl. They provoke her
@@nokulungaluhdolmdletshe9254 HEY fellow South AFRICAN Candee fan. I love it here
@@fasting2BaFitME You know us my sister, we are loyal to the core. I love Candiace, she is loyal to her friends and doesn't go around talking about them. One thing about her is if you come for her she will respond in your face and it will end there. I am team Candiace all day 💃💃💃
@@nokulungaluhdolmdletshe9254 I'm right there with you. I do not understand people who literally watch this show and see how Mia has been coming for her, and then turn around and say she provokes people. She legit treats each person with kindness, never starts ish with anyone, but they come for her, and when she responds she is a bad guy. Hell no. I love Candiace, and UNTIL I see her she insulting people for no reason, Ima stick beside her.
Candace didn't go in depth about what Mia's mom was dealing with. Mia threw an insult at Candace and sis flung it right back to her and put a generic, elementary "yo mama" in the front of it. How is that below the belt? Potomac is late imo. Too much acting from untalented, bougie women
I agree with you!
In this instance I don’t feel sorry for Candice , when the season started she was siding with the green eyed bandits and now they are throwing her under the bus
Right! They never learn when it comes to those two, the green eyed bandits are only loyal to themselves!
She was nice to everyone on the show, they all start shit with her cos without her they have no story line. No one was talking about Saw face Mia till she argued with Candace
@@ayshabegum9515 nope she's annohing
If you can’t take it don’t start it. They start with her but when she responds it’s too much. How on earth do you come for a person and I response she has to care about your feelings? It’s okay not to like a person but all this she is this, she is that is pure bs.
Why can't Candiace just say she was wrong to bring up mothers?
Mothers of their ages don't have a lot of time left and that provokes people even more emotionally.
Does the black community really attack each other's mothers like its normal?
Its never happened where I've been.
Ashley brought up her mother in the past and she never gets called out
No just her
Andy is so biased most of the time!
Giselle hit the spot when she said to Candiace ‘ but you threw the salad first’. ding ding ding!! Just like when Monique was fired up because of Candiace urging her to fight!!
Candiace: I threw a piece of lettuce
Karen: It was two, I was there
I love Karen 🤣
Karen is a flip flopper
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So... according to Gizelle Mia would have been justified if she wanted to fight Candice but Moniece is a vile human being who was wrong for trying protect her family
Gizelle is a A class HYPOCRITE
Well whoever ratatata is she wasn't ready for Monique😅
For some reason candiace always lashes out as far as Ashley is concerned
Lord not the tissue to wipe the invisible tears again😂
Compared to some things that Bethenny, Brandi, Kenya, Nene or Phaedra have said to other castmatee, the things Candiace say is just a cry for attention
It's not just WHAT she says, it's HOW she says it. The girl is clearly damaged and the pain/anger is LOUD
Lol Gizelle is one to talk🤣😩
See but I can't stand her. She's sneaky and shady behind peoples backs. She's got her own kids calling her out and yet she thinks her sh*t don't stink. Her and Robin are nasty and fake.
These women are so self unaware it's scary . Every single one of these women have insulted one another . Now , when it's Candice it's an issue ? Don't start none , won't be none . Period .
in life i generally agree with you.
but in my opinion, this isn’t life, it’s the real housewives. shade will be thrown. disagreements will occur. pettiness is expected. this is just what you sign up for to make good telly.
so the issue is really about candiace bringing a gun to a knife fight, because you’ve agreed to a knife fight by joining the cast.
Thank you!👏🥂
@Fundiswa Gumede well said. Giselle is the worst, from season 1 she has been straight evil and even then the show was boring. She has been throwing shade at people, talking about them, their families, discrediting their achievements, questioning their homes and bank balances and people say Candiace is mean. That is BS!! Candiace never speaks badly about anyone but only responds to a person that comes for her. And the truth is the show has been getting more interesting since she joined. And will be boring after she leaves.
@@nokulungaluhdolmdletshe9254 Facts !
Thank you!
Candice say some way too nasty things but in truth they all do... And like she said if u can't handle what she's gonna tell u do t come for her.... I think people are crazy about the mom part but Mia also call out her work saying it cheap... In the end they both said hurtful things to each other but one had more weight.. Period....
I’m pissed abt what is happening bc they all went in dirty places and what Candiace says is true, they all pick apart one another, even very low (saying they Monique’s child was not Chris’ is veryyyy low) and they didn’t flinch but then when Candiace does it then she’s the mean one … I believe it’s a setup and I dislike it very much 🥲
Stupid show. They bully cadiance and expect her to keep quiet. All the ladies say mean stuff why is cadiance any different? Urgh! Can't take this show😡😡
Candice is that you 💀
Exactly. If they don't want Candace to respond then they shouldn't start the disrespect, it's literally that simple.
@@vmodez na just someone frustrated with the bully behavior
Andy went in on Candiss I love it. Wish he could do the same for Erika, Dorit and Lisa
no andy we want you to be fired...
Candiace needs to do some self reflection because how are you a grown woman throwing childish insults like "yo mama" to other grown women. This isnt the early 2000s. Regardless of how the other women are, they are not as vile and nasty like Candiace. Her insults and shade aren't that, they are just downright foul
Thank you. Plus, even looking back as a grown woman and not admitting any fault in any situation, is shameful. On top of that, she also likes to simultaneously play victim
@@ThashaPN12 with her dry ass tears and folded napkin. i just hear a tiny violin everytime she does it. like, girl bye. i didnt even hear a proper apology to Mia even though Mia apologised to her
Oh wow...Ashley is not fowl???
@@Cherriez99 She is but Candiace takes it to another level. Why would you call a pregnant woman wide? Why would you say someone's mother is low-budget? Ashley is awful yes but let's not pretend that Candiace is an angel with her folded napkin and baby crocodile tears
I'm not sticking up for Candiace but Andy is definetly more abrupt and aggressive to her compared to what I saw on the Beverley Hills reunion 👀
She is so annoying, though. I was glad.
BC Erika Jayne is scary!! Come on guys. Candiace is like a lil mouse....Erika J is a big bully. Andy was also scared of Nene and never talked to her harshly.
@@steph1672 Regardless of Erika's "scary" persona, Andy shouldn't be so openly biased and keep the same energy for ALL the housewives each time. That's why he's not a good host.
Candiaces lack of accountability is a thing to behold. It rivals kerans lack of accountability which is the eight wonder of the world.
So they not supporting their friend this season after they stand up behind her with the whole monique situation ... smh frauds
I need a Andy vs Candiace😂
We never wanted her fired
Now Candiance is just where Monique was before she left. 😂
Where is Monique and her binder to just shut this down
Candiaces tongue is a weapon. She has the ability to cut DEEP. It’s honestly a skill! But sometimes u need to put your weapon down
She needs to go. She’s emotionally and verbally abusive
I think they are over exaggerating. They can all get a healthy dragging 🙄. If she was older it would be different.
Candiace can be comical but her friendly banter goes to a dark place sometimes. She's not the only HW that does this though. The relationships on this show is slowly turning toxic. I hope they can recover better and faster than the other franchises.
Candiace defines the phrase "below the belt"
Candiace never realised the stuff she said crossed the lines. She starts all the fights and she keeps denying it! She really needs to change
so you’re saying candiace started the fight when mia was asking questions about her husband? bring messy mia? i still like her tho but she did candiace wrong
How did she start the fights??? Bruh what show are you watching
Andy I hope you keep the same energy
Sorry but I still love Candice, the show wouldn’t be as entertaining without her
Karen is still there and while I dont enjoy her, Gizelle is also there.
I still love her too.
Me too. Candace and her mouth are my faves. She only comes for you if you come for her. Don't start digging your own grave then complain once you're buried in it
I still love her too. Can't deal with them all ganging up on her like this, when they have all said and done some nasty stuff.
If that is the case Karen should’ve clocked Gisele when she said ray “left her in the dust”
*handmovements*
I think that’s the thing with Karen & Giselle they feud every season pretty much & no matter how bad it can get you can still tell there is a certain level of respect between the two.
Nahhh they trying candice!! If you don't want none, don't start shit
I agree with Candiace. She don't start shit but she damn well finishes it and she's right, the others simply can't keep up. The whole ya mama thing is a quick snappy comeback, it's not a reflective of Mias mother, it a snapback!
They can tak about her mom ger husband and her career but people expect her for not saying isch 😑
Oooooooo don’t y’all come for my forehead
Where was this energy for erika and rinna?
Thank you. I’m watching this back and it’s insaneee to me how Andy went so hard on this woman yet will happily ignore and joke about those other women’s nasty behavior
If you’re going to fire anyone, get rid of Robyn please, for god sakes. She’s just Gizelle’s minon, so boring even her voice is sickening 🙄
ashley looks absolutely GORGEOUS here omg
She looks stunning. Her hair, her dress....breathtaking.
Candiace better thank her stars she's on Potomac.
Because if she talked about mothers on Love and Hip Hop.
She'd be way too blind to find any tissues.
They would've fucked her up fr.
Thats where she needs to be
Ashley should be grateful to be here as she said a lot of disgusting things
@@aissa.a3136 what about the rest of the ladies?
What about Teresa pushing him into his chair at reunion. Or the Beverly Hills ladies breaking glasses.
Andy people are shouting it on their rooftops “FIRE ERIKA, RINNA AND DORIT” and you’re not breathing a word of that to those huns…just stop, you’re hideous at this point. 🙄
Ashley’s face when she’s looking at that butter knife will never not SEND me 🤣🤣
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they dont have a problem with Candiace for her "nasty mouth" they have a problem because she is better at reading and her clapsbacks are better
Candiace, is that you girl?
@@kholofelom6308 bye cloruro de potasio
@@kholofelom6308 your mamma
Why didnt he tell lisa that and every othe comment was to fire lisa?
So much self work is required here. She will never truly be happy until she does the work on herself.
Seems like everyone is regretting having Candiace's back last season. Now that 👑Monique is gone they can't tip toe over the fact that Candiace has issues.
And what about their own issues? They were hypocrites last season and they're hypocrites thus season and obviously can't stop so we'll be seeing these hypocrites next season too..that's what Andy pays them for
That's absolute BS! Have you even taken note of some of the stuff that was said? On all the shows! Candiace needs to learn to play silly games like the rest of them. Back stabbing and being two faced. Say one thing to their face then say they have an sti behind their back! And that's just one of the nicer comments. Candiace is too open. She just says what she's feeling. The women are nasty! I mean Gizzelle and her refusing to let people use the bathroom!? Childish as heck. All that gossip about Karen and taxes, her house, the husband, the pool boy etc etc. They just do it all a bit more shady.
Even the way she wipes her tears pisses me off.
Andy has kept the same energy, I remember he did it with Porsha, Kelly (RHONYs3), Brandi (RHOBH), Vicki, Jill Zarin, Ramona, I mean YALL pick and choose
Giselle’s facial expression at :23 is me hearing Candace’s explanation 😂😂
Even Gizelle was thinking "This is too much"
I'm sorry y'all but I see where Candiace is coming from.... These women believe she is an easy target because she has lived a privileged life and happens to be younger than most of them. She does not start problems and when she shares her truth with the group, they use it against her. When she responds, she is reprimanded. Even her own mum comes for her and she is left in a corner alone trying to defend herself. I believe she is VERY misunderstood and wants to be loved and respected by people she claims to love and respect.
Yup I agree I want her to go back to her bubbly personality when she first came on the show and not take this show seriously while throwing light shade.
She never takes no accountability smh
Candiance needs help, and i am not even saying this in a mean way.
Candice is not emotionally stable. She goes to a place that no one should go to.
She is a mess!
Candiace has got the nerve to say she reads better than anyone there. No honey the rest have got the sense and gumption to know when to stop or not take things to far and if they do they have the humility to own their bs and apologise.
Andy is clearly biased. 😑
Karen: "Oh I don't think nobody better than me and Gizelle"
Karen has such a crush on Gizelle loves to group the two of them together! She did not need to give her this credit lmaoooo.
i dont like candice but this is a show about being messy i dont like how andy is talking to her like she isnt giving him excatly what he wants
Clearly Andy ain’t feeling Candiace.
Why can't the Beverly Hills cast have a common outfit color?? Every other franchise does it and they look magnificent. These women look radiant in pink! The recent Beverly Hills cast reunion look like they all going to different events at different times.
Yes the Potomac gals really looked pretty in pink. Giselle's dress was nicer than some of the others. I don't think her style is as horrible as they say. Sometimes she looks amazing in her outfits.
Monique Samuels should have stayed and Candiace should go!
Monique decided to go, while I want her back, it was her decision
@@soyalexpop She won't be back.
Last season took its toll on her and her family.
She did the right thing stepping away.
@@soyalexpop just mean bravo fucked up and wrong person went as Candiace just likes to push her luck x
@@personaldove just mean bravo fucked up and wrong person went as Candiace just likes to push her luck x
AGREE TWIGGY😊😊😊
I'm 100% on Candiaces side on this one. She is a wordsmith and sure she is immature in her delivery BUT you can't tell someone how to react if you decide to come for them! It's not fault that people can't keep up..
THANK YOU! because this bashing of candiace is definitely wrong because she takes it further they choose to be overly opinionated about something every other housewife has done BS they can go to hell - i’m mad for candiace
Don’t y’all go for my forehead 😂🤣🤣🤣
Andy has favorites and it shows. I say this as someone who does NOT like Candice at all.
I can't believe this Candiace person was Miss USA.
Y’all stay hating on Candiace lol she’s still here and standing
Not For Long
And she is not going anywhere. Bravo knows that before she came on the show the show was flat. People had nothing to talk about. She is a boss!! Fact!!
And stabbing napkins on her eyes every 30 seconds
She ain't going nowhere. Our girl is thee SHOW!
@@nokulungaluhdolmdletshe9254 Ooooh Pleeeeeeaaassse 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I do get what gizelle is saying because she did throw some of that lettuce at Mia first. So in this specific instance, if Mia dragged her it kinda would be justified.
Best thing would have been for her to control herself and be the bigger person.
Giselle is letting Candace know that she didn't learn a damn thing from being dragged by Monique. Which is true. She has no impulse control.
@@ED80s yeah she didn't and what's irritating for me is that she doesn't think there's a lesson there. She's always going to be folding tissues.