Fun fact: If you look closely during the reload animation for the Cavity 9mm, you can see that the magazine contains rare overpressure rounds with red tips. That explains why you have such low ammo reserves (overpressure rounds are hard to find) and why the gun has unusually high damage despite being chambered in 9mm.
Fun fact, according to payday 2 wiki, the Microgun is actually based on the Empty Shell LLC XM556 Prototype that fires 5.56 and unlike the Microgun, its comically small. Edit:By comically small, I mean over half a meter, specifically 558 milimetres, from some images, it's roughly the size of P90 which is amazing. Double edit: I'd like to add that according to IMFDB, technically Payday 2 has more guns than it states and that's not counting the DLCs. You cna modify guns into different ones or facsimiles. For example, I learned something that made sense today. The KSP 58 is not a KSP 58, but it is in technicality. The first KSP, simply called just that was an M249, the KSP 58 is not a KSP 58, but a mishmash majorly leaning towards the M240B. Why does this make sense? Well, because apparently the M240B is the US adopted version of the KSP 58 and so in the logic of the world, it might as well be called the KSP 58 if the American gun was already called a KSP. It's an interesting compromise. I honestly am thinking of making character thematic builds one day, just wish they added more weapon slots since I like having the realistic variants of these guns.
I would really love to see more Hunt: Showdown weapons. Not only did they add more since the last video, they also watched your video and made some changes in regards to your feedback. It's not really common for devs to rework some of the minor details after all
@@KoishiVibin Jonathan fergusons comment on their reload animation for the Sharps/Sparks LRR in the last hunt showdown video he did was seen by the crytek game developers who went in and corrected the animation to be in line with Jonathan's description. Pretty cool! They even noted publicly that it was because of Jonathan's video. 😎
I'd love to see another episode on this! It was heartbraking to see him pull out the example Galil that can actually be made in the game with the gunsmithing and use it as an example of differences!
While there isn't some way to hide guns, guns do have a concealment rating which is useful for stealth and certain skills. I'm fairly certain the Keltec has the one of the best concealments in the game for that
“Killing Floor 2” should definitely be a game that you review. Having Johnathan talk about the caseless shotgun that is the HM-Tech 301, and having him try to figure out how it could work - would be amazing. Talking about the “Frost Fang”, “G18c”, and Vlad-1000 Nail-Gun would also be amazing.
amazing insight as always. this game has a rather awful monetization model, but if nothing else it really forces them to add more unique weapons to the game, and it's nice to learn more about it
Was looking forward to this one, but while Jonathan was discussing the reload animations during the F2000 segment, it shocked me that Killing Floor 2 hadn't been covered yet. A good lineup of both realistic and wacky guns, with standard reloads AND Elite, proficient reloads which I'm sure might be of interest.
A video about MGS:V dissecting the guns and see what guns they're inspired from would be interesting seeing as they're real weapons but sligthly modified ( for licence purposes maybe ), or sometimes a mix of multiple real ones.
@@SorakuFett That'd be interesting for sure, I was just thinking about the V in particular since the other games actually used real guns whereas the V was a bit more original about it so it's more fun to try and analyze which gun is which.
Ah, so glad he finally covered this game. I think I actually use the BRENs in-game. Or used to. The model didn't immediately look familiar but the name "Akimbo CR 805B" does. I'd use that as a secondary with the Microgun, which is a different (and still probably very wrong) gun then was shown here. Always thought the name "microgun" was very silly; never realized it was a real thing. Here's to hoping the next episode has the Garand and the ability to shove 3x as many bullets in it as it can physically hold.
@@screamingcactus1753 It seems my memory was off. I do own the Microgun, I just forgot what it looked like in first person. I think also part of it is I used it in VR more recently than desktop before swapping to dual P90s. I also think I might have different modifications on mine than whoever recorded this footage.
@@ToriusHeart ...so it is. Just checked my inventory, and I own both single and akimbo versions. I think I'd use the single as a secondary to the microgun, and then started using akimbo in VR.
I can definitely imagine John Ferguson being a new character in the game as a new Gage or something. Or a contractor to steal antique weapons from rich folk, no matter how cursed they are (made by their first owners).
Seeing Jonathan nerd out about guns and game mechanics really brightens my week. Love this series and he is by far my favorite expert react on any platform. He needs merch lol maybe something like "no weapon charms" or something
The thing to remember is that they typically get a hold of airsoft replicas to model the in-game guns. So sometimes it's like playing a game of telephone but in 3D model form.
I used to own a Kel Tec Sub2000 and the optic in the game always bothered me. Not to say you couldn't fold it still, but there is a latch around the front sight that secures it in it's folded position that wouldn't be possible with anything attached to the barrel.
It might already be recorded. I think that happened with another game at least once where it was shown briefly in a previous episode and then a week or two after there was an episode with that game.
Concealment in Payday's a "how easily do I get spotted" mechanic, but off the top of my head the Kel-tec Sub-200's is one of the primaries people tend to use for max concealment.
The fact he's played the game and knows why certain guns are included for things like concealment makes this so much more of an actual in-depth review than I ever would've expected otherwise.
The biggest catch about the shotguns is that every pellet does full damage, which makes the meta dropping the accuracy as low as possible, throwing any semblance of range out the window.
They actually recently changed it so the fact that the full damage is applied by the first shotgun pellet and every aditional one doesn't apply any more so. it is still viable to toss accuracy but hitting headshots is still key.
@@RevanAlaire Killzone, Titanfall 2, Borderlands. It's all I want. Really, I just want to see him react to the Sidewinder, Alternator and Wingman Elite.
4:56 unfortunately, equip/unequip animation of SUB-2000 doesnt really mean much other than that it got a fancy equip/unequip animation so different from other weapons. but at least SUB-2K got a pretty respectable "concealment" value that, among other things, decreases the detection radius when you play stealthily, so there is that. 10:13 - F2000 actually got a fully modelled fire selector on the model, it just that devs decided to use the longer barrel by default instead of the standard F2000 shorter barrel that is available as an attachment 14:44 - well, PAYDAY 2 shotguns, for whatever reason, deal full damage that is listed in the menu, with each pellet, but the damage from each pellet doesn't sum up. on the other hand, PAYDAY 2 shotguns got a pretty insane range before the damage will start drop off, that it doesn't even come into play on most maps.
the sound design in PD2 is some of the best you'll ever hear in a game. they recorded live fire both indoors and outdoors, and the sound you hear while playing changes dynamically
Please could Mr Ferguson react to some of the more unusual Tenno and Grineer guns in Warframe, with seperate videos for either faction if possible. Think Jonathan will have a blast trying to get his head around the strange gun mechanisms present in that game
I do actually own Kel-Tec S2000. It is so cool that there is game with that unusual firearm. There is one thing off however. Weapon already has picatiny rail over the top by default, does not require mounting any other rails on it and second thing butting any attachments on it prevents folding ability. It is possible to fold the weapon only using standard rear stock sights.
fun fact Galil is derivatived of Finnish RK 62, that reinforced top cover and that rear sight on the top cover are from RK. Valmet actually produced receivers for first Galil prototypes in Finland
So I know he said that shoulder firing 3000 rpm is not good for the shoulder, but to be fair in payday the microgun is merely 2000rpm so it is slightly better for the shoulder.
I’d love to see him try to find out the references for the new guns that came out in the newest dlc because they look really futuristic and I wonder if they are actually based on anything
Not Jonathan, but for Jiu Feng Pack 4 I can answer this: The Argos is based on the MP-155 Ultima (which he reviews in "EVEN MORE Tarkov Guns"), and despite his lack of knowledge on it, it is real. The PAYDAY 2 version has a fictional targeting system instead of the actual thermal sight which is modeled in Tarkov. The Wasp DS is the FMG-9 (he reviewed in one of the Siege videos), and unlike the Siege version has folding and unfolding anims-the picatinny rail is fictional. As he mentions, it was in RoboCop II! The Gecko M2 is based on the Maxim 9, and visually seems to be the closest to the source gun. It is in fact an enormous integrated suppressed pistol, but I don't know if the shotgun-tier staggering power is appropriate for what is IIRC 9mm. Whether or not they sound, perform, etc. in the way they should IRL, I can't say, that's a Jonathan thing. Weird thing that is worth noting is the Argos loads 2 rounds at a time (except for a dry reload which inserts a shell through the ejection port first), and unlike other shotguns the player flips the shotgun upside down completely to load. I believe flipping it upside down is fine but commonly done in a less tense scenario/when sitting.
@@eripmavsdyraid8763 the two round reload on the Argos is most likely a dual load, which does look cool but the weirdly stilted animations for any weapon released post-ending makes it feel really janky
That comment on FN F2000 about reload animations reminded me of Killing Floor 2. The devs did just as John said, they mocapped a professional. I'm not sure about most of them but the expert reload skills definitely are.
Shotguns feel awesome in payday because they operate off the damage model that if even a single pellet hits the target, then they take the full damage of the weapon as if all the pellets hit. I love that and it's awesome.
I hope Jonathan sees this comment, please like and hope he sees it. I believe the Crye Precision six12 is based on the Pancor shotgun since that does have a rotary drum magazine that is behind the trigger, and it has some visual similarities, albeit it is more inspired than exactly like the silhouettes of the Pancor. If the Pancor went into full production, you could have one in the museum. Ian from forgotten weapons actually covered it and if I recall, the one he had with him was an actual Pancor that is used as a movie prop, but it isn’t really that functional anymore since all the test ones that were sent for trials for I believe it was the US military, almost all the prototypes sent in for testing and trials got destroyed or heavily damaged from testing so almost none exist really today unless someone recreates it somehow with great enough improvements to make it something to sell.
Killing it gents!!! Any chance of you taking a look at Killzone series, Titanfall series, Wolfenstein reboot and Bioshock please? Really feel there is a lot here for Jonathan to look at especially Wolfenstein and Killzone as they are sci-fi but grounded weapons. Alot of Bioshock and Titanfall's weapons are also really interesting
Sadly, the recoil if I remember correctly is determined by the Stability stat, if you max this stat out you will have little to no recoil. Edit: however please someone show John the MG42 WITH a gadget equipped because I know for a fact John is going to flip when he sees exactly WHERE said attachment is.
I'm surprised that they went with the 762 version of the WA-2000 instead of the 300WM. Considering it's punching power it would probably make more sense.
The thing with Payday 2's minigun is both the 7.62 mini gun is in there as well as the Fleming firearms 556 micro gun. However, you can also hand carry and hand fire the 7.62 minigun
I believe the inspiration for including the 7.62 Galil is one part Heat and another part The Way of the Gun. Benicio Del Toro uses the 7.62 version of the Galil in Way of the Gun, which in some ways is a "heist" movie.
Thing with the Kel-Tech sub 2000 though, in game it shows the player folding it regardless of it having an optic or not, in reality you can only fold the Kel-Tech sub 2000 with the iron sights because of how it folds over the top versus to the side
Been waiting for this episode. This game and MW2019 (I'd tear my hair out if I bought Tarkov) really are super cool with what you can do with (most of) the guns!
Gamespot/Jonathan: it's a bit of a hidden gen of a game, but could you at some point look at the guns of Generation Zero? They're a weird mix of "clearly supposed to be realistic, but also not," and there's a recently released US weapons pack that has an m14-lookalike that I think might make Jonathan raise an eyebrow. 😂
I was just asking myself while watching "I wonder if he talked about the Six12 in the Rainbow Six videos" and then it showed up in this video. Payday 2's diverse catalog of weapons never ceases to amaze me.
I love watching these videos and hearing Jonathan talk about guns, i’d love to meet him one day, he’s a very interesting person and i love hearing his view on different guns and games
The only man who can match Matt from demolition Ranch in the amount of guns they have and Jonathan's guns are in a museum and I guess that Matt just has them all in one big room behind the secret door which is a bookshelf then you have to do the whole book moving thing to get in there.
The sub2000 folds vertically, in a way where the top of the handguard (with the top rail) goes on top of the stock. Meaning you can fold it with a magazine in it, even a high capacity one (although it would be impractical and harder to hide). But you can't fold it with an optic on top like they do in the game. Though I think the optic they use can also flip to the side, but you don't see them folding the optic before and after folding the carbine. The new S&W folding carbine does fold horizontally, making it easier to mount whatever you want on the rails (you just lose some real estate on the left side of the handguard).
A Kel-tec! I own several of their odd offerings including the Sub2000 that you showcased. I love love all of them along with their quirks. I hope that Kel-tec can send you some of their products. If you had a Sub2000 to reference, you would know that folding it with a RDS installed wouldn't work very well. It would fold in more like a wide "V" position. There are products available to get around this, but none of those were present in the game model.
This is awesome!!! Royal Armouries building looks awesome and heisting it seems like a PD thing :D It would be like The Diamond 2.0 but for some specific gun that only exists in this museum.
Ah finally payday is here. I was waiting so long for it since payday has such an extensive arsenal and you ahev so many modding options. Thank youuuuuu
Before Escape From Tarkov and every Call of Duty since MW 2019, we had Payday 2 for cursed guns. I wonder how Jonathan would react to a (very) short barrel M1928 Thompson with no stock, a 553 EOTech CCO, and a PEQ-15 laser system attached to welded-on strips of metal as makeshift accessory "rails".
As a Sub 2000 owner, the way that the gameplay footage shows off the firearm, i.e with an optic on top, is completely unrealistic. You could not fold and easily stow the weapon in that configuration. In order to keep the weapon folded, the front sight block locks into a detent in the stock of the firearm. The optic, at least in the way it was shown in the gameplay footage, would obstruct this. That being said, there is a well-designed, after market mount made by MCARBO that is spring loaded to open away from upper part of the firearm to allow for folding and storage. Excellent video as always! Cheers!
There are so many more guns from Payday that are rarely depicted in other games. I would Love to see Jonathan go through the Swedish K, Mateba (in-game Matever) Jericho 941 (in-game Baby Deagle), Sterling SMG (in-game Patchett). Also love to see what Johnathan thinks of all the customization option on the AR-15s, AKs and MP5.
I'd love to see Johnathan take a look into the Payday weapon modifications, as you can literally make them Galil he had in hand in game, could be like a fun spinoff
I actually did wonder how the f2000 top rail worked. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the optics without the cover.
I came to comment the same thing.
Selling a "tactical version" by just removing the plastic cover is marketing genius ^^
@@Bzuhl Yeah.
@@Bzuhl Like throwing wood on the dash and calling it "Luxury".
@@Bzuhl well, that and the tri-rail.
I absolutely adore that "cycle of violence" t-shirt Jonathan is wearing
Unfortunately no longer in print, but who knows, maybe C&Rsenal will bring shirt designs back like they sometimes bring patch designs back!
My kiddo loves wearing mine lol. It's her favorite. Guess it's no longer mine. It's really a fun shirt.
Yes. That’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen!
It's a c&rsenal shirt, I have one too. The cycle of violence one is my favorite but they have a really funny one about sam Colt.
I keep asking them to do an episode on Johnathan’s shirt collection. I ended up buying the Badger Resistance one he has after seeing him wear it.
Can we just give Jonathan some props for wearing the classic blue Payday gloves? My man is even slighty dressed for stealth aswell 😅
well, he said he could never stealth, so.
@@cloak679 man's running a dodge build
Not Payday gloves. Surgical Disposeable Gloves
@@rafaelskit3895 shut up
@@rafaelskit3895 r/wooosh
Fun fact:
If you look closely during the reload animation for the Cavity 9mm, you can see that the magazine contains rare overpressure rounds with red tips. That explains why you have such low ammo reserves (overpressure rounds are hard to find) and why the gun has unusually high damage despite being chambered in 9mm.
I wonder if that's the same ammo 7 Days to die uses in it's 9mm? Ammo uses either a black tip, or red.
the fact that it does the same amount of damage as 7.62 DMR's/battle rifles and such is a bit silly lol
So it’s basically an ots 126 but not russian
@@PureRushXevus completely unrealistic as well
Plus p rounds are not at all rare
Fun fact, according to payday 2 wiki, the Microgun is actually based on the Empty Shell LLC XM556 Prototype that fires 5.56 and unlike the Microgun, its comically small.
Edit:By comically small, I mean over half a meter, specifically 558 milimetres, from some images, it's roughly the size of P90 which is amazing.
Double edit: I'd like to add that according to IMFDB, technically Payday 2 has more guns than it states and that's not counting the DLCs. You cna modify guns into different ones or facsimiles. For example, I learned something that made sense today. The KSP 58 is not a KSP 58, but it is in technicality. The first KSP, simply called just that was an M249, the KSP 58 is not a KSP 58, but a mishmash majorly leaning towards the M240B. Why does this make sense? Well, because apparently the M240B is the US adopted version of the KSP 58 and so in the logic of the world, it might as well be called the KSP 58 if the American gun was already called a KSP. It's an interesting compromise.
I honestly am thinking of making character thematic builds one day, just wish they added more weapon slots since I like having the realistic variants of these guns.
comically small rotorgun
I wonder if it can be shouldered...
Huh.
@@KoishiVibin Oh No..... Don't You Dare Give Them Ideas
Never forget it also bears a more-than-passing resemblance to the SMMG from Fallout: New Vegas' Lonesome Road DLC.
Watch--They're gonna make a nanogun, and it'll be chambered in .22 short
I would really love to see more Hunt: Showdown weapons. Not only did they add more since the last video, they also watched your video and made some changes in regards to your feedback.
It's not really common for devs to rework some of the minor details after all
wait what
Especially that new shotgun coming in update 1.8.
@@KoishiVibin Jonathan fergusons comment on their reload animation for the Sharps/Sparks LRR in the last hunt showdown video he did was seen by the crytek game developers who went in and corrected the animation to be in line with Jonathan's description. Pretty cool!
They even noted publicly that it was because of Jonathan's video. 😎
Fixes the relaod animation, but your hunter still behaves like they're riddled with Parkinsons. "Welcome, the Hunt."
I hope they model a cam track or replace the Avtomat with a Huot
I'd love to see another episode on this! It was heartbraking to see him pull out the example Galil that can actually be made in the game with the gunsmithing and use it as an example of differences!
They are doing episode 2, Dave mentioned it right at the beginning.
I spent the entire episode waiting for the CQB barrel on the Thanatos, sure hope it's on the next episode.
While there isn't some way to hide guns, guns do have a concealment rating which is useful for stealth and certain skills.
I'm fairly certain the Keltec has the one of the best concealments in the game for that
such as with the dodging mechanic and dodge builds, with the higher the concealment the more likely they would avoid taking damage from being shot at
yeah, cavity is one of the highest concealment primaries in the game, lets you have more options for your secondary if you're not taking a judge
@@ditto-w i just use a judge with a suppressor and akimbo pistols for my stealth build and I have 3 detection risk
@@fyretnt Yeah, that works too, but the Cavity just gives you an option to bring a rifle as your primary without going above 3 detection.
@@pal1d1nl1ght yeah I don’t have that yet
“Killing Floor 2” should definitely be a game that you review. Having Johnathan talk about the caseless shotgun that is the HM-Tech 301, and having him try to figure out how it could work - would be amazing. Talking about the “Frost Fang”, “G18c”, and Vlad-1000 Nail-Gun would also be amazing.
Don’t forget how faster reloads use a different animation
I second this
I'd also like to hear his take on the double barreled pistol (AF2011A1).
amazing insight as always. this game has a rather awful monetization model, but if nothing else it really forces them to add more unique weapons to the game, and it's nice to learn more about it
YOUR HERE TOO
The McBadass himself has to see this.
Yo General how is it going?
Eyyyyyy! THE MAN HIMSELF!
When there is Payday, there is GeneralMcBadass
Was looking forward to this one, but while Jonathan was discussing the reload animations during the F2000 segment, it shocked me that Killing Floor 2 hadn't been covered yet. A good lineup of both realistic and wacky guns, with standard reloads AND Elite, proficient reloads which I'm sure might be of interest.
A KF2 episode would be nice, really. Or maybe cover both KF1 and 2.
A video about MGS:V dissecting the guns and see what guns they're inspired from would be interesting seeing as they're real weapons but sligthly modified ( for licence purposes maybe ), or sometimes a mix of multiple real ones.
I'd love to see looks at all the Metal Gear games!
@@SorakuFett That'd be interesting for sure, I was just thinking about the V in particular since the other games actually used real guns whereas the V was a bit more original about it so it's more fun to try and analyze which gun is which.
The underbarrel 1911 better be featured in it
it is quite easy, just the same guns as the other games except the main rifle is the FN FNC
Absolutely
Oh finally! As a long-time Payday 2 player, I always wanted him to cover this
I NEED A MEDIC BAG!
@@mercenarygundam1487 BAIN! I'M DYING
I had been begging for this every weekend for months.
@@mercenarygundam1487 oh yeah he be screaming for medic bag soon enough
DALLAS IS IN A PICKLE
Ah, so glad he finally covered this game. I think I actually use the BRENs in-game. Or used to. The model didn't immediately look familiar but the name "Akimbo CR 805B" does. I'd use that as a secondary with the Microgun, which is a different (and still probably very wrong) gun then was shown here. Always thought the name "microgun" was very silly; never realized it was a real thing. Here's to hoping the next episode has the Garand and the ability to shove 3x as many bullets in it as it can physically hold.
That actually was the microgun. If you were using a different gun from that, you were probably using the Vulcan Minigun
@@screamingcactus1753 It seems my memory was off. I do own the Microgun, I just forgot what it looked like in first person. I think also part of it is I used it in VR more recently than desktop before swapping to dual P90s. I also think I might have different modifications on mine than whoever recorded this footage.
there is a single and akimbo version of BREN. single version is a secondary weapon, akimbo version is a primary weapon
@@ToriusHeart ...so it is. Just checked my inventory, and I own both single and akimbo versions. I think I'd use the single as a secondary to the microgun, and then started using akimbo in VR.
the fact that he already wears those blue nitrile gloves when handling the collection makes it feel like his one of the payday gang
I can definitely imagine John Ferguson being a new character in the game as a new Gage or something. Or a contractor to steal antique weapons from rich folk, no matter how cursed they are (made by their first owners).
Seeing Jonathan nerd out about guns and game mechanics really brightens my week. Love this series and he is by far my favorite expert react on any platform. He needs merch lol maybe something like "no weapon charms" or something
Oh! Maybe a bubba's up ww2 gun or cold war era with the phrase "Blasphemy" I'd buy it
The thing to remember is that they typically get a hold of airsoft replicas to model the in-game guns. So sometimes it's like playing a game of telephone but in 3D model form.
Supposedly, if you look into the action of the in-game P90 while doing a reload, you can see a feed port for airsoft pellets.
@@scienceguy8 Ha XD
It's all one big airsoft fight!
I used to own a Kel Tec Sub2000 and the optic in the game always bothered me. Not to say you couldn't fold it still, but there is a latch around the front sight that secures it in it's folded position that wouldn't be possible with anything attached to the barrel.
@Merc Kitsuné Might have been Othias from C&Rsenal, I remember him showing his Sub2000 with a lot of stuff on it in a video
Came here to point out this issue. Thanks.
There should be 3 and 4. Payday has an INCREDIBLE amount of customization.
bruh, payday relies so heavily on gun customization but you can barely tell a beretta m9 and a glock 17 apart when you customize them both
This is the game that made me love the hk21 indeed has to be, specially with the new guns i mean, what shotgun is that?
@@gabrielsantosbastos5257 Mp155 Ultima
0:42 because you briefly showed it, it would be cool to see a video on the guns of the Borderlands series
Edit: He did it, I am so happy!
It would also be pure emotional anguish on his part, let's have it :)
It might already be recorded. I think that happened with another game at least once where it was shown briefly in a previous episode and then a week or two after there was an episode with that game.
Concealment in Payday's a "how easily do I get spotted" mechanic, but off the top of my head the Kel-tec Sub-200's is one of the primaries people tend to use for max concealment.
Yes it has good per-shot damage and can easily fit in a minimum detection build
The fact he's played the game and knows why certain guns are included for things like concealment makes this so much more of an actual in-depth review than I ever would've expected otherwise.
When did he say he has played it?
@@genomblot3087 4:40
@@kinderx16_38 must have blanked out
The biggest catch about the shotguns is that every pellet does full damage, which makes the meta dropping the accuracy as low as possible, throwing any semblance of range out the window.
I thought it was that one pellet deals full damage but each additional pellet doesn't add more?
@@staryoshi06 its exactly like that
They actually recently changed it so the fact that the full damage is applied by the first shotgun pellet and every aditional one doesn't apply any more so. it is still viable to toss accuracy but hitting headshots is still key.
@@sunwarrior1351 was it recent? wasn't it like this since PD:TH?
@@sunwarrior1351 Think it's always been like this, I remember hearing this exact thing like 4+ years ago
Receiver 2 would be an interesting pick for Johnathan to react to. It's simulation-oriented gameplay is definitely a different and neat concept
He should look at the guns in the Deus Ex series.
I have been dying for a Killzone video as well.
I support this fully
The guns there are very exotic i really wanna see his reaction
@@RevanAlaire Killzone, Titanfall 2, Borderlands. It's all I want.
Really, I just want to see him react to the Sidewinder, Alternator and Wingman Elite.
Give me the GEP gun.
The assault rifle will get a fittingly wholesome and baffled reaction, I approve
Would love to see Johnathan react to the near future weapons of Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2
Most of those guns are real and never left the prototype phase
Mostly, those were just contemporary weapons, but with Greebles and inferior shading for a grimy look characteristic to early Treyarch CoD titles
@@BiigiieCheeese which is low-key what makes the what-ifism of it kind of cooler ?
@@BiigiieCheeese and BF4 has weapons with designs that never made it past experimental phase.....so does BF1
@@BiigiieCheeese that's exactly why we should get a BO 2 vid he's probably got a good few prototypes at the museum
4:56 unfortunately, equip/unequip animation of SUB-2000 doesnt really mean much other than that it got a fancy equip/unequip animation so different from other weapons. but at least SUB-2K got a pretty respectable "concealment" value that, among other things, decreases the detection radius when you play stealthily, so there is that.
10:13 - F2000 actually got a fully modelled fire selector on the model, it just that devs decided to use the longer barrel by default instead of the standard F2000 shorter barrel that is available as an attachment
14:44 - well, PAYDAY 2 shotguns, for whatever reason, deal full damage that is listed in the menu, with each pellet, but the damage from each pellet doesn't sum up. on the other hand, PAYDAY 2 shotguns got a pretty insane range before the damage will start drop off, that it doesn't even come into play on most maps.
11:07 literally shattered my reality of all games with the F2000…
Oh God. Jonathan is gonna have an aneurysm with these guns and what you can do to them
PD2 has best cursed gun customization ever but still is it DSOD viable?
"I guess the limitation here is in the magazine capacity"
Close By Aced:
Mall ninja achievement!
I'd love to see him react to the guns in EYE: Divine Cybermancy. It has some wacky sci-fi guns.
Gonna summon Mandalore by just saying the name lol.
I desperately want to see his response to "fuller auto".
the sound design in PD2 is some of the best you'll ever hear in a game. they recorded live fire both indoors and outdoors, and the sound you hear while playing changes dynamically
Please could Mr Ferguson react to some of the more unusual Tenno and Grineer guns in Warframe, with seperate videos for either faction if possible. Think Jonathan will have a blast trying to get his head around the strange gun mechanisms present in that game
"We actually have one here"
The most iconic words
The F2000 cover pop was something I never knew. Amazing video
I don't know why I always expected the scope on an F2000 to be more futuristic. It's just a tiny scope with a huge cover.
Most video game does not remove the scope cover, giving the illusion that the F2000 has this futuristic box-like scope
Removing the cover from F2000 is like unmasking the villain in scooby-doo
I'm surprised they started off so tame with the modifications for episode 1 of Payday 2. I hope they go crazier in the 2nd part
I do actually own Kel-Tec S2000. It is so cool that there is game with that unusual firearm. There is one thing off however. Weapon already has picatiny rail over the top by default, does not require mounting any other rails on it and second thing butting any attachments on it prevents folding ability. It is possible to fold the weapon only using standard rear stock sights.
"Concealment" is indeed a stat on every gun and the Cavity/Keltec is pretty high.
As an avid Payday 2 player myself, I always wanted to understand the guns of the game better. This was a godsend.
Do homefront the revolution, i want to see Jonathan's reaction to the cursed guns in that game
fun fact Galil is derivatived of Finnish RK 62, that reinforced top cover and that rear sight on the top cover are from RK. Valmet actually produced receivers for first Galil prototypes in Finland
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I would actually really like to see animations of skilled reloads. That might be neat to see in first person
So I know he said that shoulder firing 3000 rpm is not good for the shoulder, but to be fair in payday the microgun is merely 2000rpm so it is slightly better for the shoulder.
I’d love to see him try to find out the references for the new guns that came out in the newest dlc because they look really futuristic and I wonder if they are actually based on anything
Not Jonathan, but for Jiu Feng Pack 4 I can answer this:
The Argos is based on the MP-155 Ultima (which he reviews in "EVEN MORE Tarkov Guns"), and despite his lack of knowledge on it, it is real. The PAYDAY 2 version has a fictional targeting system instead of the actual thermal sight which is modeled in Tarkov.
The Wasp DS is the FMG-9 (he reviewed in one of the Siege videos), and unlike the Siege version has folding and unfolding anims-the picatinny rail is fictional. As he mentions, it was in RoboCop II!
The Gecko M2 is based on the Maxim 9, and visually seems to be the closest to the source gun. It is in fact an enormous integrated suppressed pistol, but I don't know if the shotgun-tier staggering power is appropriate for what is IIRC 9mm.
Whether or not they sound, perform, etc. in the way they should IRL, I can't say, that's a Jonathan thing. Weird thing that is worth noting is the Argos loads 2 rounds at a time (except for a dry reload which inserts a shell through the ejection port first), and unlike other shotguns the player flips the shotgun upside down completely to load. I believe flipping it upside down is fine but commonly done in a less tense scenario/when sitting.
@@eripmavsdyraid8763 the two round reload on the Argos is most likely a dual load, which does look cool but the weirdly stilted animations for any weapon released post-ending makes it feel really janky
Hey that's Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armouries museum in the UK
You put a Borderlands 3 clip in the beginning, so have Jonathan reacts to Borderlands already.
All in good time
That comment on FN F2000 about reload animations reminded me of Killing Floor 2. The devs did just as John said, they mocapped a professional. I'm not sure about most of them but the expert reload skills definitely are.
I wish I could be friends with Johnathan, he seems such a cool and jolly dude.
Shotguns feel awesome in payday because they operate off the damage model that if even a single pellet hits the target, then they take the full damage of the weapon as if all the pellets hit. I love that and it's awesome.
Yes! Finally, I was waiting for this. Once again, great episode from Johnathan.
I hope Jonathan sees this comment, please like and hope he sees it. I believe the Crye Precision six12 is based on the Pancor shotgun since that does have a rotary drum magazine that is behind the trigger, and it has some visual similarities, albeit it is more inspired than exactly like the silhouettes of the Pancor. If the Pancor went into full production, you could have one in the museum. Ian from forgotten weapons actually covered it and if I recall, the one he had with him was an actual Pancor that is used as a movie prop, but it isn’t really that functional anymore since all the test ones that were sent for trials for I believe it was the US military, almost all the prototypes sent in for testing and trials got destroyed or heavily damaged from testing so almost none exist really today unless someone recreates it somehow with great enough improvements to make it something to sell.
I love to see the weapons of H3VR's meat fortress. It's a more realistic (sort of) version of team fortress 2.
Almost at the end of the video, and I just realised how the usual blue rubber gloves are PERFECT for this episode 😮
Wouldn't it be crazy cool if you make a video on Verdun's guns?
Finally I have waited long enough for this, thank you!
Killing it gents!!! Any chance of you taking a look at Killzone series, Titanfall series, Wolfenstein reboot and Bioshock please? Really feel there is a lot here for Jonathan to look at especially Wolfenstein and Killzone as they are sci-fi but grounded weapons. Alot of Bioshock and Titanfall's weapons are also really interesting
The M82 from killzone is beautiful it's also my favorite sci-fi assault rifle.
You really gotta do a video on receiver 2, every internal and external part of the guns are modeled and animated, the pistols are really sophisticated
Sadly, the recoil if I remember correctly is determined by the Stability stat, if you max this stat out you will have little to no recoil.
Edit: however please someone show John the MG42 WITH a gadget equipped because I know for a fact John is going to flip when he sees exactly WHERE said attachment is.
Gotta love the “Wakner” logo on the WA2000 at 15:14
I'm surprised that they went with the 762 version of the WA-2000 instead of the 300WM. Considering it's punching power it would probably make more sense.
The shoulder mounted minigun is named a microgun in the game, and has 2000 rpm.
You should react to the weapons of Killzone 2 and 3 next!, they are a mix of sci-fi and modern weapons with some that stand out.
Unfortunately, the weapons of Killzone typically suffer from the classic question of 'where does the bolt go?'.
The thing with Payday 2's minigun is both the 7.62 mini gun is in there as well as the Fleming firearms 556 micro gun. However, you can also hand carry and hand fire the 7.62 minigun
I would love to see him react to the weapons from Killing Floor 2 as well. Would be great because it has some rather realistic weapon feel to me.
If you consider incredibly wobbly and very loose parts on weapons realistic
I believe the inspiration for including the 7.62 Galil is one part Heat and another part The Way of the Gun. Benicio Del Toro uses the 7.62 version of the Galil in Way of the Gun, which in some ways is a "heist" movie.
Some borderlands guns would be cool
We absolutely need to see that
Thing with the Kel-Tech sub 2000 though, in game it shows the player folding it regardless of it having an optic or not, in reality you can only fold the Kel-Tech sub 2000 with the iron sights because of how it folds over the top versus to the side
the amount of customization in this game could make a firearms expert cry due to the cursed setups that are actually viable in game
I think they are only scratching the surface for the madness of payday 2's guns, cant wait to see more!
Deep Rock Galactic deserves a look, rock and stone!
The fact that he wear blue rubber gloves while reacting to payday making it much better
Thought the same! :D
Been waiting for this episode. This game and MW2019 (I'd tear my hair out if I bought Tarkov) really are super cool with what you can do with (most of) the guns!
Jonathan should get all the ad revenue for this channel honestly
Gamespot/Jonathan: it's a bit of a hidden gen of a game, but could you at some point look at the guns of Generation Zero?
They're a weird mix of "clearly supposed to be realistic, but also not," and there's a recently released US weapons pack that has an m14-lookalike that I think might make Jonathan raise an eyebrow. 😂
9:35 fun fact: The German NVA(GDR) called the AK47 and AK74 officially a submachinegun, as the were named MPi
I would love to see more of Hunt Showdown and Destiny 2
I was just asking myself while watching "I wonder if he talked about the Six12 in the Rainbow Six videos" and then it showed up in this video. Payday 2's diverse catalog of weapons never ceases to amaze me.
Wait till he sees duel wielding dragons breath shotguns.
Been watching Jonathan Ferguson for a long while. As a PAYDAY 2 fan, I could happily say that a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Been waiting for payday 2 firearms, wonder what's next on the list
I love watching these videos and hearing Jonathan talk about guns, i’d love to meet him one day, he’s a very interesting person and i love hearing his view on different guns and games
Jonathan seriously needs a better camera
Love the videos. Hope the video quality (resolution) can return back to decent.
I hope Jonathan is getting paid well
I see what you did there
The only man who can match Matt from demolition Ranch in the amount of guns they have and Jonathan's guns are in a museum and I guess that Matt just has them all in one big room behind the secret door which is a bookshelf then you have to do the whole book moving thing to get in there.
The sub2000 folds vertically, in a way where the top of the handguard (with the top rail) goes on top of the stock. Meaning you can fold it with a magazine in it, even a high capacity one (although it would be impractical and harder to hide). But you can't fold it with an optic on top like they do in the game. Though I think the optic they use can also flip to the side, but you don't see them folding the optic before and after folding the carbine. The new S&W folding carbine does fold horizontally, making it easier to mount whatever you want on the rails (you just lose some real estate on the left side of the handguard).
GEARS OF WAR WHEN
Edit: the delivery at 6:09 is absolutely amazing. This is why we love JF.
Johnathan needs to see the Akimbo Judge shotguns. Think he will love to see those wrist breakers in action.
A Kel-tec! I own several of their odd offerings including the Sub2000 that you showcased. I love love all of them along with their quirks. I hope that Kel-tec can send you some of their products. If you had a Sub2000 to reference, you would know that folding it with a RDS installed wouldn't work very well. It would fold in more like a wide "V" position. There are products available to get around this, but none of those were present in the game model.
Two games I have a feeling Jonathan would enjoy looking at is Verdun and Tannenberg. They both focus on WW1.
This is awesome!!! Royal Armouries building looks awesome and heisting it seems like a PD thing :D It would be like The Diamond 2.0 but for some specific gun that only exists in this museum.
Ah finally payday is here. I was waiting so long for it since payday has such an extensive arsenal and you ahev so many modding options. Thank youuuuuu
Nice to see Keltec get some love. They've got a couple stinkers, but the majority of their inventory is innovative, affordable, and reliable.
Before Escape From Tarkov and every Call of Duty since MW 2019, we had Payday 2 for cursed guns.
I wonder how Jonathan would react to a (very) short barrel M1928 Thompson with no stock, a 553 EOTech CCO, and a PEQ-15 laser system attached to welded-on strips of metal as makeshift accessory "rails".
As a Sub 2000 owner, the way that the gameplay footage shows off the firearm, i.e with an optic on top, is completely unrealistic. You could not fold and easily stow the weapon in that configuration. In order to keep the weapon folded, the front sight block locks into a detent in the stock of the firearm. The optic, at least in the way it was shown in the gameplay footage, would obstruct this. That being said, there is a well-designed, after market mount made by MCARBO that is spring loaded to open away from upper part of the firearm to allow for folding and storage. Excellent video as always! Cheers!
Imagine a modder modded a Johnathan Ferguson character pack after watching this lol
There are so many more guns from Payday that are rarely depicted in other games. I would Love to see Jonathan go through the Swedish K, Mateba (in-game Matever) Jericho 941 (in-game Baby Deagle), Sterling SMG (in-game Patchett).
Also love to see what Johnathan thinks of all the customization option on the AR-15s, AKs and MP5.
I'd love to see Johnathan take a look into the Payday weapon modifications, as you can literally make them Galil he had in hand in game, could be like a fun spinoff
I am glad to see Johnathan wearing the "Cycle of Violence" shirt from C&Rsenal! I always get questions when I wear mine.