I have 3 suggestions for your ferry: 1) Pistons that hold the cargo vehicle centered on the deck of the ferry. 2) Center the drive rail, or make a second one on the other side, and it will help support the ferry. 3) Press your top drive wheels against the rail using maxed suspension.
@@callumhardy5098 Could also resort to medium (1 block) pipes on bearings to act as side-guide rollers. But both work very well. If I remember correctly, you can't make the wire mesh in Survival without editing files.
@@WynterLegend Yep that would work, my design the ferry is not doing all the floating as such it uses the guide rail as a support, the ferry basically envelopes the rail. You can make the wire mesh block in survival, you can’t make the plastic mesh.
@@WynterLegend but they can carve out a chunk on the roof and under certain rooms of offices in warehouses, using small explosives they can grab a sheet or two.
Adding a guide post at the back with another two wheels will help a lot. The pitch tilt is the beginning of the end every time. An extra support bar down to the rail will help eliminate that. It will also help stop the yaw. For the roll, take your pontoons and put them on extension's. Like a single block line front and back, out to each side. Then the pontoons on the end. That widens the boats profile on the water, much more cost effectively.
Maybe double the rail in the water then put another wheels and put it side by side so it's not gonna tilt left and right and add some cacti on the truck so it will stay still.. thanks for the video
Hi Kosmo, If you guys keep this system you may want to add a left to right bearing that may need to be hooked into a controller. And add bubble block to the driving arm. This is so the tilting will affect it less, the bubble block will also lift bottom tire to keep more contact and help autocorrect lower tilting. Another thing you can do (though I'm not sure about SM physics is build a thick one block separated bubble block line straight down to help with tilting as this will try to lift the creation up.
Suggestions: :p If you put 2 wheels on the same side of the track it might help it line up instead of being above... you could move the track a little bit up to give it space and the link would just be smaller and free floating. But if the wheels are capable of remaining in the same line I think it'll work better. (You might even be able to fully centralize the connection) About the barriers, make both sides lift up with pistons. It'll retract flush and it won't give with tangential forces.
18:35 There's a T-pipe missing, right in the middle of the screen. On-screen until 18:38. Also, the reason your thing floats is because the center of mass of the bubble block panels is very close to the center of the platform. Since you added more pontoons, it's more stable, but I would personally move the new pontoons a few blocks away, to make it more stable sideways. Also, instead of suspensions, I thing it would be better to use seat-suspensions, which means using any seat's steering to keep the suspensions springy. You can also use engines and controllers, as well, but you already have a seat on the ferry, for which you don't use the steering controls, so might as well, and it might also help with getting unstuck, by steering the whole thing straighter or more curved. A scrap seat is very good in early game, especially as a second seat to make the first-vehicle of the world a lot more stable, and having someone else in the seat can make it act like low-rider suspensions or high-ground-clearance suspension on demand, by steering. Seat-suspensions also make the scrap wheels actually usable. And a trike with the back wheel powered by stacked bearings can achieve double the speed of having two wheels with a single powered bearing each.
Pegs on the ramps to grab the dock would help. Also you could stair step the deck from the outside in so different size vehicles will fit in different size slots preventing them from sliding left to right.
I think its working ok. I couldn’t tell, but if it isn’t there, try putting another bearing near the wheels so that section can stay flat while the connecting rod can rotate between the wheels section and the ferry. (Like an ankle and knee joint) That may help.
You have two sets of wheels on the bottom, but only one connection between the two sets of wheels and the boat. This allows twisting. Try a connection in the front of the boat to one set of wheels, and a separate connection in the back of the boat to the other set of wheels. (You can disconnect the sets of wheels from each other or leave them connected.) Another thing to consider to make it more like an upside down monorail - put pistons in the connections and pull the boat down just a little (one or two blocks down, but with high strength). This will put tension on the connections, like gravity does with a monorail.
If you build tire channels into the top. You can stop most of the sideways tipping. As for the yawing... You might need to either put that one wheel arm in the middle. Or add a second wheel arm in the same spot as the front one, to the rear.
I think you guys should just make cutouts in the floor of the ferry to match the wheels basically acting as choks and aligning the vehicle on the ferry
This might be a stupid idea but you could use pistons on max length to centre the vehicle exactly in the middle, making it possible to use any vehicle on the raft.
Well I'll give you this, it worked better than I expected. But I think maybe you need 2 rails, whether you monorail it or not. That some kind of piston setup on the deck that can try to keep the vehicle left/right centered (since front/back doesn't seem to have as big an impact.)
If he's so worried about seeing it, use the bubble blocks for the rail, their invisible just under the water. Then you can use the ferry on a rail without the arm. Use some wide pipes and bearings for the top, hug it on the sides with the wheels. Being slightly negatively buoyant the wide pipes could be spaced and probably wouldn't glitch/lag much because they're not under as much weight of the ferry/barge.
i Think just a slab of wood across the lake would have been much more effective though But seeing you two biuld the ferry was much more entertaining ;)
not sure how you would get to the top, maybe an elevator, but it would be super cool (and impractical tbh) to build a monorail super high up so you could get some cool views as you traverse the lake
I made a fairy in o set for it to work I Have a prong that is at the front of all my cars so the fairy can clap onto it to keep from moving also I have pistons on the side that would center my cars by pushing on both sides of the car.
some piston powered pinch walls on the ferry to center and hold the vehicle will solve your size of vehicle issues. Like a trash compactor style thing.
Should just do a bridge, but to save a billion blocks, make 2 that are just wide enough for the tires, and then have railing on the outside to create a guided rail system so you can’t fall out.
bubble block is the most efficient block for survival mode. since oil is infinite with the oil ponds and that's the only resource needed for bubble block, you can make an infinite amount. plus bubble block takes 5 oil to craft 10 blocks and each time crafting it is only like 5 seconds, so you could build a massive system of bridges and overpasses in your world with relative ease. maybe build a bubble bridge in stead of the monorail ferry. also yes I am the same person who commented "BUILD A BRIDGE!!!" from like episode 10 to 20 every time.
you can place the side rails on pistons. then any vehicle will be centered. and im sure if you let kan do it then he make it complicated with sensors detecting what vehicle it is by color sensors and auto adjust ferry to fit. XD or make hull with pistons so it can expand like a catamaran when more stability is needed. alot of options. all cost component kits XD
when i was young our old theme park had a old steam riverboat that were pulled by wire on a underwater railsystem. like a relaxing ride for the parents while the kids were riding ziplines above them going across the lake .
I think if you turn it into a monorail and then use a claw to pickup the tank you could get some good practice for making that helicopter deployment thing you guys talked about in previous episodes
Well, you guys could use the train method of just putting to rails a little bit higher and using wheels with the pipe pieces on the side. Just an idea for you
Honestly, this will most likely be a waste, I tried testing different ways to move vehicles across water when I heard about mining island, so I started with the paddle boat technique and it did not work well, I then did close to this design but it was too much resistance with the water, so I then ended up making a monorail but with two rails, it worked great and I was able to implement switch tracks into it, and then I realized I could literally just put two rails and drive the vehicles across, so I scrapped the idea. But if you guys want some way to get them across instead of driving the vehicles on the rails, I would just make a monorail above the water.
You guys put ruts in the fairy so when you drive up the truck and won’t slide to the side it will slide forward or backwards but it won’t slide off to the side The problem with this one will be is that all vehicles will not fit in the ruts (probably)
wouldnt it have been better to run the "guide rail" on top of the water and then build the ferry around it? with like 3 pairs of wheels placed horizontally?
you couldve made it better by treating it as an upside down monorail with the buoyancy acting as "gravity" pulling it up to maintain wheel contact. you can do this by first removing alot of buoyancy attaching the wheels to the beam with a smaller mast then adding alot of buoyancy to pull the ferry up and so even when you put vehicles the overdone buoyancy will still keep the traction with the wheels.
You should have made a bubble platform but have it as storage for extra seeds or other unused items on the platform so that the things are visible but it looks like you littered the ocean...
why not use wells to catch the wheels, you have a 7? block width so carve 2 blocks in to match the different wheel bases of your cars, ( you can go 3 for the smallest vehicles like imagine caving it out like a bowl 1 block matches the trucks wheel base, 2 blocks matches the Zamboni [unless the zamboni's wheel base is larger or something then switch them around to make it work] and the 3rd for the miner or something.)
I have 3 suggestions for your ferry:
1) Pistons that hold the cargo vehicle centered on the deck of the ferry.
2) Center the drive rail, or make a second one on the other side, and it will help support the ferry.
3) Press your top drive wheels against the rail using maxed suspension.
I’ve built one, very similar using the lowest friction block (wire mesh) to guide the rail, it works very well.
@@callumhardy5098 Could also resort to medium (1 block) pipes on bearings to act as side-guide rollers.
But both work very well. If I remember correctly, you can't make the wire mesh in Survival without editing files.
@@WynterLegend
Yep that would work, my design the ferry is not doing all the floating as such it uses the guide rail as a support, the ferry basically envelopes the rail.
You can make the wire mesh block in survival, you can’t make the plastic mesh.
@@WynterLegend but they can carve out a chunk on the roof and under certain rooms of offices in warehouses, using small explosives they can grab a sheet or two.
@@lightdeck8357 I did not think of that.
22:00 minutes in, and I'm contemplating the number of law suits Kosmo and Kan's ferry service is going to rack up... Love it so far yall!
28:00 minutes in, much better, law suits are diminishing!!!
haha!! xD
Something yous should consider is stadium lights around your base ! Light that place up
on our list! :D
Adding a guide post at the back with another two wheels will help a lot. The pitch tilt is the beginning of the end every time.
An extra support bar down to the rail will help eliminate that. It will also help stop the yaw.
For the roll, take your pontoons and put them on extension's. Like a single block line front and back, out to each side. Then the pontoons on the end. That widens the boats profile on the water, much more cost effectively.
that outro gets me every time...kAN's singing voice really ties it in.
you guys could build a beefy garage across the pond store less used vehicles there. might help with the lag if they are in a different tile
Maybe double the rail in the water then put another wheels and put it side by side so it's not gonna tilt left and right and add some cacti on the truck so it will stay still.. thanks for the video
the cactus thing doesn’t work lol
Hi Kosmo, If you guys keep this system you may want to add a left to right bearing that may need to be hooked into a controller. And add bubble block to the driving arm.
This is so the tilting will affect it less, the bubble block will also lift bottom tire to keep more contact and help autocorrect lower tilting.
Another thing you can do (though I'm not sure about SM physics is build a thick one block separated bubble block line straight down to help with tilting as this will try to lift the creation up.
Raise the bar closer to the surface, that should help with tilting and power. Also add a bar in the front and back instead of just the middle
Now this is the kind of things people like to watch you people do. Satisfied!
so no report? 😅
@@darealkosmo nah man this is good stuff!
@@user-not-found. 😁 glad to hear!
Kosmo your my new favourite TH-camr
this works as good as Scrapmans cati break system xd> Must have been a Foggy week
Suggestions: :p
If you put 2 wheels on the same side of the track it might help it line up instead of being above... you could move the track a little bit up to give it space and the link would just be smaller and free floating. But if the wheels are capable of remaining in the same line I think it'll work better. (You might even be able to fully centralize the connection)
About the barriers, make both sides lift up with pistons. It'll retract flush and it won't give with tangential forces.
18:35 There's a T-pipe missing, right in the middle of the screen. On-screen until 18:38. Also, the reason your thing floats is because the center of mass of the bubble block panels is very close to the center of the platform. Since you added more pontoons, it's more stable, but I would personally move the new pontoons a few blocks away, to make it more stable sideways. Also, instead of suspensions, I thing it would be better to use seat-suspensions, which means using any seat's steering to keep the suspensions springy. You can also use engines and controllers, as well, but you already have a seat on the ferry, for which you don't use the steering controls, so might as well, and it might also help with getting unstuck, by steering the whole thing straighter or more curved. A scrap seat is very good in early game, especially as a second seat to make the first-vehicle of the world a lot more stable, and having someone else in the seat can make it act like low-rider suspensions or high-ground-clearance suspension on demand, by steering. Seat-suspensions also make the scrap wheels actually usable. And a trike with the back wheel powered by stacked bearings can achieve double the speed of having two wheels with a single powered bearing each.
You guys could put pegs on the ramps and holes in the docks so the barge locks in place while driving on and off
You can put pistons in both sides to shift the weight of the vehicles.keep up the good work.😁😁😁
For the future, maybe consider using bubble blocks for stuff like transport rails? It's a renewable, cheap block
you should do 2 rails, but wheels wouldn't be on the top and bottom, but on top and the inside of to rails so it will be more stable
you could ad some weight to the bottom to
I am never gonna stop saying that scrap mechanic should add water collision so we can build paddles, or any type of water propulsion
kAN’s outfit looks like a professional diver underwater. (I know it’s mostly painter outfit, still cool)
Pegs on the ramps to grab the dock would help.
Also you could stair step the deck from the outside in so different size vehicles will fit in different size slots preventing them from sliding left to right.
I had an idea maybe try making piston rails to clamp against the vehicle wheels to lock it centered on the ferry no matter what width it is
When I saw the title *"we built"* I already knew this was gonna be a funny episode
I think its working ok. I couldn’t tell, but if it isn’t there, try putting another bearing near the wheels so that section can stay flat while the connecting rod can rotate between the wheels section and the ferry. (Like an ankle and knee joint) That may help.
Put a center ridge on the ferry to hold the vehicle centered or pushers on either side to hold it or both.
Try adding a couple pistons on each side of the bed of the ferry that push in. make an auto load centerer to push and hold any vehicle centerline.
oo good idea!
You might need two rails next to eachother to make it less prone to tip to either side
You have two sets of wheels on the bottom, but only one connection between the two sets of wheels and the boat. This allows twisting. Try a connection in the front of the boat to one set of wheels, and a separate connection in the back of the boat to the other set of wheels. (You can disconnect the sets of wheels from each other or leave them connected.)
Another thing to consider to make it more like an upside down monorail - put pistons in the connections and pull the boat down just a little (one or two blocks down, but with high strength). This will put tension on the connections, like gravity does with a monorail.
Add stone ballast to both sides to counter the weight of the truck. Also, you could make the rail a bit shallower and probably gain some stability.
heyyy!, finally asked kAN about those buoyancy physics. I made a comment on your other ferry video on the calculations. :D
Horizontal wheels on the ferry arm thingy could've helped perhaps, to hug the rail from the sides
If you build tire channels into the top. You can stop most of the sideways tipping. As for the yawing... You might need to either put that one wheel arm in the middle. Or add a second wheel arm in the same spot as the front one, to the rear.
I think you guys should just make cutouts in the floor of the ferry to match the wheels basically acting as choks and aligning the vehicle on the ferry
This might be a stupid idea but you could use pistons on max length to centre the vehicle exactly in the middle, making it possible to use any vehicle on the raft.
"Over-engineering the monorail" - here, corrected your title. Fun though.
Upside down gondola is cool.
Normal ferries have ramps on the shore that the ferry runs against so it doesn't sway while loading the vehicle's
Well I'll give you this, it worked better than I expected. But I think maybe you need 2 rails, whether you monorail it or not. That some kind of piston setup on the deck that can try to keep the vehicle left/right centered (since front/back doesn't seem to have as big an impact.)
If he's so worried about seeing it, use the bubble blocks for the rail, their invisible just under the water. Then you can use the ferry on a rail without the arm. Use some wide pipes and bearings for the top, hug it on the sides with the wheels. Being slightly negatively buoyant the wide pipes could be spaced and probably wouldn't glitch/lag much because they're not under as much weight of the ferry/barge.
i Think just a slab of wood across the lake would have been much more effective though
But seeing you two biuld the ferry was much more entertaining ;)
not sure how you would get to the top, maybe an elevator, but it would be super cool (and impractical tbh) to build a monorail super high up so you could get some cool views as you traverse the lake
Yep do the monorail
30:03 epic F&F stunt
You should try building something with the food crates you get at the packing station.
I made a fairy in o set for it to work I Have a prong that is at the front of all my cars so the fairy can clap onto it to keep from moving also I have pistons on the side that would center my cars by pushing on both sides of the car.
this is a really cool idea, and you did it very well
Thanks for the nice comment!
some piston powered pinch walls on the ferry to center and hold the vehicle will solve your size of vehicle issues. Like a trash compactor style thing.
Should just do a bridge, but to save a billion blocks, make 2 that are just wide enough for the tires, and then have railing on the outside to create a guided rail system so you can’t fall out.
Only issue there is the various width of all the vehicles.
@@slate613 yeah I just meant don’t make an entire full bridge. So that it saves millions of blocks
its ferry good
bubble block is the most efficient block for survival mode. since oil is infinite with the oil ponds and that's the only resource needed for bubble block, you can make an infinite amount. plus bubble block takes 5 oil to craft 10 blocks and each time crafting it is only like 5 seconds, so you could build a massive system of bridges and overpasses in your world with relative ease. maybe build a bubble bridge in stead of the monorail ferry. also yes I am the same person who commented "BUILD A BRIDGE!!!" from like episode 10 to 20 every time.
in 10 more episodes, they’ll have a chinook and carry their vehicles everywhere, rendering most of their past stuff…… *useless*
It's a pointless build well maybe in a future ep they will do some work again like mining or cutting down forrest or warehouse run
oops
you can place the side rails on pistons. then any vehicle will be centered. and im sure if you let kan do it then he make it complicated with sensors detecting what vehicle it is by color sensors and auto adjust ferry to fit. XD
or make hull with pistons so it can expand like a catamaran when more stability is needed.
alot of options. all cost component kits XD
For the rail you should have used bubble block because you could have infinitely made bubble block for really cheap
when i was young our old theme park had a old steam riverboat that were pulled by wire on a underwater railsystem. like a relaxing ride for the parents while the kids were riding ziplines above them going across the lake .
Maybe a mono-rail would be best. Even if it stayed "floating" on the water. Either way thanks for this!
that would require thrusters! :)
@@darealkosmo you can't have a monorail with wheels?)
Also, i suggest you try this, try holding reverse on the truck once the ferry gets rolling, maybe the friction of the wheels will propel you forward?
I'm pretty sure that would roll you off the back.
Lmao great lighting on the ferry build process kosmo
Build a Humvee with double wishbone suspension and a rotatable minigun on top
under water mono rail will be good , about 10 blocks deep sounds good , so you can still use boats when it comes to it ,
One idea to improve this is put like 6 piston across the ferry to lift up any vehicle. It would balance the weight and prevent the vehicle to move.
maybe two piston?
@@Userrook If it can lift any of their vehicle from the platform it'll be the cheaper options.
i like the monorail idea ALOT
I think if you turn it into a monorail and then use a claw to pickup the tank you could get some good practice for making that helicopter deployment thing you guys talked about in previous episodes
Sits and wonders why Kosmo didn't make the bubble block at the gas station.
And his name should be Harper.
Two wheels systems, 1 front and 1 back would give you a better handling IMHO.
A paddle boat would look cooler
Metal 1 looks so pretty underwater
Make a floating bridge plz
It can be held up by pillars
Use floaty things just for show
If you paint the rail blue will it disappear?
21:51 INITAL D FERRY
Should have used the rusted metal from the warehouse for the rails!
And maybe a guide (unpowered) wheel and stem that can go down to help keep it centered too!
@Kosmo a dare at the end of the video title add WOW!
hay you should make a jiant spinning hammer to protect your farm
Center the pull arm to the bottom.
small guidewheels on the side of the rail would fix the hickup I think
You should use controllers for a fuelless ferrie
Plz make it to a monorail
To get more Component Kit's there are Mods which increase the amount of resources you get from chest's and robots.
I feel like they don’t like playing with mods because it ruins the authenticity of the game
They already get called out for cheating even though they dont lol, i doubt they are gonna start this late into the series
Put a set of pistons that center and hold in place any vehicle put on it and put powered tires on the sides of the rail.
I like how the whole bun of a veggie burger is a potato cut in half, and you put veggies in the middle, like bro id be so full
something yall should do is extend the base to the other side of the water
Well, you guys could use the train method of just putting to rails a little bit higher and using wheels with the pipe pieces on the side. Just an idea for you
They said that at the end
Honestly, this will most likely be a waste, I tried testing different ways to move vehicles across water when I heard about mining island, so I started with the paddle boat technique and it did not work well, I then did close to this design but it was too much resistance with the water, so I then ended up making a monorail but with two rails, it worked great and I was able to implement switch tracks into it, and then I realized I could literally just put two rails and drive the vehicles across, so I scrapped the idea. But if you guys want some way to get them across instead of driving the vehicles on the rails, I would just make a monorail above the water.
You could also stabilize it
You guys put ruts in the fairy so when you drive up the truck and won’t slide to the side it will slide forward or backwards but it won’t slide off to the side The problem with this one will be is that all vehicles will not fit in the ruts (probably)
Success - ish 😆
Try some pistons to lock the truck to the middle of the barge
Oh first I guess I really like your content ☺️
Ok
Oh and I'm not trying to be annoying I just didn't know what to say
The true first. Can confirm
thats a fancy bridge
So, what you're saying is, the best way to build a ferry is to make an underwater monorail. I wonder why no one thought of this sooner?
wouldnt it have been better to run the "guide rail" on top of the water and then build the ferry around it? with like 3 pairs of wheels placed horizontally?
I think they wanted the guide rail invisible, so it looked more like a standard ferry than a chain based ferry
0:30 I thought weird noise was a Siren Head monster's lol
Edit: Your creation always entertains me.
Thanks Kenny! :)
Guys please build a double rail it weighed boat won't drift too strongly to the side
COOOOOOL
you couldve made it better by treating it as an upside down monorail with the buoyancy acting as "gravity" pulling it up to maintain wheel contact.
you can do this by first removing alot of buoyancy attaching the wheels to the beam with a smaller mast then adding alot of buoyancy to pull the ferry up and so even when you put vehicles the overdone buoyancy will still keep the traction with the wheels.
You should have made a bubble platform but have it as storage for extra seeds or other unused items on the platform so that the things are visible but it looks like you littered the ocean...
why not use wells to catch the wheels, you have a 7? block width so carve 2 blocks in to match the different wheel bases of your cars, ( you can go 3 for the smallest vehicles like imagine caving it out like a bowl 1 block matches the trucks wheel base, 2 blocks matches the Zamboni [unless the zamboni's wheel base is larger or something then switch them around to make it work] and the 3rd for the miner or something.)
Make it automated so if you are on the wrong side you can "call" it back
yeah a monorail with a suspendplatform would be better like exavlty the same thing as here but the arm is oon the air
Ferry's are really cool in scrap mechanic survival
i love your laugh Scooby-Doo
this ferry might not be big enough when you guys finally build the MEGA TRUCK!!! for the Mega Farm!