@thegreattales thank you for this pearl of wisdom and your time. I've always been a huge admirer of the Holy Cappadocian Fathers. Our Divine Liturgy is mainly St. Basil's, and even though they were contemporaries, I'm not sure how this slipped by. May St. Basil the Great, forgive me. I'm already reading. Thank you again.
Thank you so much for the link and your beautiful explanations. This text is not translated into German, I will spread its deep meaning in my parish in Hamburg. Greetings from Germany.☦
As a middle-aged Greek, having grown up Orthodox in Greece, it goes without saying that we study texts like ancient Greek or medieval literature. This is our school curriculum, and it used to be like that when our parents and their parents were young, when the country was much less secular than it is now. Except St Basil, the commonplace arguments for this that I can think of are: 1. The Byzantines held the ancient Greek tradition in great esteem, the Church especially went to great lengths to preserve both texts and the ancient language (to the extent that this caused a language problem for later generations, with two different strands of language developing in parallel) 2. Monasteries is where this tradition was preserved, with generations of monks diligently copying ancient texts 3. In some Byzantine churches there are images of ancient philosophers together with the saints and prophets and everyone else 4. Contemporary Orthodox scholars/artists such as Konroglou drew from the ancient tradition (Kontoglou's ancient-themed frescoes in the building of the municipality of Athens is a typical example). Just mentioning this in case it is interesting to anyone.
This is awesome. I could never get excited about most any literature as a teenager, and never thought about them as an adult. But I’m really looking forward to this podcast.
Videos are getting released by multiple creators at the most providential times for me. Recently, within the past month or so, I’ve had a great interest in classic and modern “great” literature and I had wondered if I was just distracting myself from the ‘Life in Christ’. Even though one could use it as distraction, I’m happy to hear it doesn’t have to be that way. Thank you Father Andrew and Mr. Rohlin. Really looking forward to future episodes!
I’m so glad you mentioned William Bennett’s Book of Virtues. I remembered recently that my parents played the audio treasury version for me as a kid, and I have rediscovered it for my kids. I hadn’t realized how much those stories had influenced my development, even though I had forgotten about them for a time. But now listening again, I remember them all, and the wonder they provoked in me back then. Deeply grateful.
This sounds like it is going to be a great series. I totally agree with you both that the West has lost its connection with the Classical tradition in modern times but thank God for people like G.K Chesterton, J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Joseph Pearce, Fr. Dwight Longnecker, Christopher Dawson, and so forth that many of us in the Catholic church have a love for Classical and Medieval literature. I can't wait for more episodes.
I have no words to thank you for this show. There was a great philologist in Greece, by the name Konstantinos Ganotis, a spiritual child of Saint Porfyrios that dwelt with this topic and had presented amazing analysis of all the Ancient Greek literature one can imagine, as a prescripture scripture documents. At least that is how I perceive it. I guess the knowledge of God and His promise, was in the memory of the people even after Noa. One may find the genesis flood in many cultures including Ancient Greek mythology and Deucalion. And in the Prometheus story, we read that he was waiting for salvation from the son of the virgin! Amazing! One could dare call these prophecies! In the great monastery of Meteora in Greece there is iconography of the Ancient Greek philosophers in the hallway. Beautiful. Grateful again for your work!
@RichardRohlin at 39:15 where did you get that Herakleitos said that "virtue is the Logos made flesh" from? I've been studying him for a while now and never came across this statement. Idk if there maybe was some confusion between Herakleitos of Ephesos and maybe the 2nd century bishop Herakleitos, Heraclitus Homericus or Herakleidos Pontikos. However, I know of no such statements by these people either. Or maybe one of the early Christian authors like Clement of Alexandria, Origin, Tertullian, etc. confused something or ascribed to Herakleitos of Ephesos something he never said. The statement that "virtue is the Logos made flesh" seems to be quite a departure from his other statements, about the Logos, not only in terms of language but also in terms of content, and it may be a very liberal Christian reinterpretation of something else he had said. In fact, although @frandrewstephendamick quoted the wrong fragment, since the epigraph of T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets is a quotation of Herakleitos' Fragments DK2 & DK60 and not of DK50, which is the one that @frandrewstephendamick quotes, those fragments however are much more in line with a heraclitean position on virtue, i.e. the recognition that all is one in the Logos and acting according to that fact (Fragments DK2, DK50 & DK112) constitutes wisdom and virtue. So could you please provide a source for that statement? Thanks in advance!
Beside Zoroastrianism at the time, Heraclitus just read the Hebrew sages and papyrus that were being written thanks to Cyrus. Further, Memra is the Logos way before the 6th C BC. Too much cred given to Greeks. Too much spiritual ignorance regarding mythologizing relatively obscure history. Much of it is post-modern apologizing for anti-theist interpretations of mythology. These two….
@@mythologicalmyth Regarding the claim about the Hebrew sages and papyri: This is a very speculative claim for which there is zero evidence. There is no evidence for Heraclitus' engagement with or him being influenced by Hebrew teachings, or even his awareness thereof. He certainly was influenced by the Zoroastrian and Orphic traditions, though. Sure Memra is somewhat analogous to Heraclitus' Logos but so is any sort of ordering cosmic principle and there are significant difference between Heraclitus' Logos and Memra. And also given the fact that the concept of the creative word of God exists in much more influential cultures such as the Egyptians, Persians and Indians, it would be extremely difficult to make a solid case for Memra being the one which actually influenced Heraclitus. So there cannot be made any special claim towards Memra being the one concept which influenced Heraclitus, especially given the lack of evidence for the influence of Hebrew teachings on him while we actually have such evidence for his engagement with other pre-socratics, the Orpics and Zoroastrians.
@@mythologicalmyth Hermis Trismegistos was older than both and he was Greek, he spoke first about the divine Logos and the In Trinity Being One Divinity
What an amazing first episode. The end resonated with me as someone who has realized that I missed out on so much foundational reading material that would have made me a much more forward thinking young man. Like St Basil's letter to young men. Thank you. God Bless you Father and Richard Rohlin. Very generous of you to put this together. One point of feedback: you mention different books, websites etc through the podcast. Might be worth adding some of these in your links e.g. the St Basil book, Book of Virtues etc.
Looking forward to more of this!! Lifelong Orthodox Christian but new homeschooling parent -- When I found the Heart and Mind St Nektarios book, I was thrilled because almost all pedagogical material in English has no connection to the Christian East or doesnt consider a tradition of Christian response to pre Christian sources. I am so glad you all are embarking on this project and I look forward to making myself a little syllabus of reading material from it 😊
Saint Basil is explaining how to win the battle “Thy kingdom come thy will be done”…..we are helping to usher in God’s kingdom . We become all things to all men as Paul explained. He was entering into a Pagan battlefield.
This is a great start of a series! Too many great quotes by St Basil to write down. But I've always been certain that there are great truths to gleam from the pagan traditions when you keep Christ in your heart
Fabulous. You know, as a child, I recall reading for the first time about an Emperor who believed that he was splendidly clothed. As it slowly came to his attention that he was , in fact, naked ; the Emperor marched on. It was impressive. The audacious, bold, arrogant parade that he led. Naked. He simply marched on…..
I LICE THIS! I know Harry Potter does not compare to Greek literature - but I know my kids (who were 5 and 8 when book one came out) saw countless examples of truth, courage, sacrifice and goodness in those books in a non-preachey way. ❤
You "lice this" and let your kids read Harry Potthead?! 🙄 Why let them be involved in witchcraft? Witchcraft is demonic. We cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
This inaugural episode deals with St. Basil the Great and his teaching from "The Address to Young Men on the Right Use of Greek Literature" (roughly) regarding reading and learning from the writing and thinking of "pagan" writers and thinkers. St. Basil gives a lesson on how to discern. Essentially, "all truth is God's truth," and "eat the fish, spit out the bones." There is truth in "lower writings" that can help us understand the truth of the "highest writings," particularly the Gospels. Did you enjoy and understand the eternal good truths in things like "Star Wars" and "Harry Potter?" That's good, and that leads you to being able to understand the higher eternal truths. As I've said, if we are image-bearers of our Creator, then we are lovers of stories and story-telling and the truths conveyed by them. How did Jesus teach? Not only through His actual life and behavior, but by parables, which are stories. This is why we all universally love stories and story-telling. "Whatever things were rightly said among all men, are the property of us Christians..." - St. Justin Martyr (c. 100 - 165) "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Philippians 4:8
@@RockerfellerRothchild1776 There is nothing outside it. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the round world and all they that dwell therein.
Star Wars is eastern mysticism and Harry Potter is witchcraft. So what if it's pop culture? It's influence has been very demonic and doesn't need to be entertained by us.
I think I read this in a book called "Who Killed Homer" by Victor David Hanson. Either that, or it was in a book by Stratford Caldecott. I'm sorry that's not very helpful, but when I have more time I'll dig for it.
His father was a professor of Oratory and St. Basil’s first academic instructor (his mother and grandmother were his spiritual instructors). I am think that the oratorical style he was taught comes out in how he presents principles.
09:04 Both Homer's works, not just the Iliad, were used as elementary books for teaching children to read and write Greek for approximately 1200 years, from the Classical Greek era to the early Byzantine era. In the 7th c. AD the Septuagint Psalter replaced the Iliad and Odyssey for children attending *Χαμαιδιδασκαλεῖον* i.e. Byzantine Elementary school (the name means both, _close-to-the-ground-school_ because kids used to sit on the ground, and metaphorically _lower school_ ). The Iliad and Odyssey then were used as manuals for teaching grammar to pupils aged older than ten for a couple of centuries more, in fact it was expected by ten, eleven-year-old pupils to know by heart large chunks of both works and to perform them publicly, in metre!
On the subject of happy keys and sad keys of music, it's interesting to note that it's subjective, not so pronounced within one school of music (e.g. western), but definitely between schools (e.g. western vs Indonesian). I guess my point being I wonder how much wiggle room there is for different music to the same end.
He is, but so is St. Basil, who provided the basic Rule for cenobitic life that became the general basis for Orthodox monasticism, including in the West, since St. Benedict based his Rule on St. Basil's.
Is that Subdeacon Seraphim? From St. Seraphim’s Orthodox Cathedral? I was introduced to you through Jimmy! I’m Deric! My first visit to the Orthodox Church was witnessing you get ordained. Pretty cool. Looks like you’re doing great things. Look forward to more talks with you.
43:00 staring into the sun of the gospels and the eclipse glasses of the pagan literature. Too much glory versus tolerable glory. What information is accessible to a student? 1:07:00 Virtue as more than right and wrong moralizing.
Wonderful - helps me formulate my resistance to J Peterson also - the idea 'that there is' is to derive a meaning (for him a moral or principle or pattern) - which always pains me because it destroys beauty/art & forces it into artifice to a purpose(?)
When you guys get to King Arthur, can you talk a bit about the cathedral in Camelot being St. Stephen's. Winchester, where Malory places Camelot, is not dedicated to Stephen. Is this the French and Malory simply trying to liken Arthur and his eventual death to the martyr?
1:06:58 that’s strange that your heterodox preachers criticized sermons where St. Paul quoted pagan poets. There was certainly incorrect teaching and theology from the heterodox sermons I heard, but I recall sermons on that passage, talking about the value in relating to nuggets of truth or references you could make in the culture of the people you were trying to reach.
I hope we can deal with Herakles. In Pop culture he is often missrepresented by being a stupid brute. While in the story he was very crafty and smart. There is also the mystery how Herakles could be a god in Olympus meet Odysseus in Hades and at the same time be a star sign.
Excellent discussion. This intent to under educate is a recurring objective ,by ruling class thru the ages. This topic alone would be an entire book. In 1903 ,in America ,this happened by multi millionaire, taking control of education. Many problems can be traced to our propaganda that was called education. Great Show, at least a few of us know why there's so much UNNECESSARY suffering, injustice and poor health.
Episodes 110 and 111 of Amon Sûl have both been recorded and are in production. Starting with Episode 111, Amon Sûl will also be released on TH-cam at its own dedicated channel: www.youtube.com/@AmonS%C3%BBlPodcast
I’m curious about the reference to “some forms of reformed soteriology” undermining our value of Christ’s atonement. I found the opposite, having grown up a Bob Jones-style Baptist fundamentalist and later become Sproul-style Presbyterian. Maybe there’s a corner of the reformed world that takes a different view. But Dr. Sproul would have heartily agreed with you about including the Greek classics in Christian education, and about the universal scope of the redemption Christ is bringing to the world through his death, resurrection, ascension, and session. It was the heartbeat of his preaching.
its a persons proper name atleast pronoucne it correctly. you arent referring to the herb. i always loved that name basil. and if i had ever had a son i would of liked to name him that.:( like basil fawlty or basil rathbone even basdil staghare. and i wouldnt want people mis pronoucing his name.:(
Despite what liberal leaning people say when they claim they find Christian symbolism inside, it's filled with witchcraft and turned a generation into wizards and warlocks who think they're super special. Avoid like the plague.
I struggle with something: Orthodox are always saying "beauty will save the world" but whenever a new Orthodox channel comes online it is once again people talking on webcams for two straight hours. There's no effort to lighting or editing. This could be radio. TH-cam is a visual medium and yet Orthodox, despite speaking passionately about iconography and beauty, never seem to care at all about making any effort visually and will talk for hours. It feels more protestant, this need to just speak and not think about the beauty of things, as though so long as the right words are said all will be ok. Please, the information is so important, but please can you try harder to actually present it beautifully? Perhaps also edit it down a bit, and add on Q and A separately? The amount of good Orthodox information presented online in such long form video projects, but with so little effort to actually making the film look good, and keeping it to talking heads on screen, feels frustrating and self-indulgent. Please please try to step it up. There are so many Catholic and Protestant channels out there with some sense of production value or even just attempts at it, but none in Orthodoxy
This is a live show with people in remote studios (one in his home), so there are certain limitations because of the format and also not having a massive production budget. We are, however, trying to make this show as visually interesting as we can, and there is a great beauty to the written word, which is what this show focuses on. All that said, "beauty will save the world" isn't a dogma and certainly isn't a statement about TH-cam production values. Anyway, if you're interested in a presentation that has different parameters and takes a lot more advantage of footage, etc., check out this other project of ours, "The Wolf and the Cross": th-cam.com/video/vm1CLR5Xi3M/w-d-xo.html Thanks for your interest in our work.
Who removed my comments? All because I don't believe Christians should have a part of Harry Potter? I thought this was an Orthodox ☦️ Christian channel. Must have gotten it wrong. God bless you all anyway! Praying for your true repentance and salvation. 🙏🏻💜 Unsubbing. One last thing, may it be blessed!
And this is the larping pietistic and maybe pharisaic Orthobro attitude, you can never be Orthodox enough........ They are essentially online self crowning (with the crown of "self"rightousness) Puritans being mad at everything and seeing the devil everywhere including in their socks, same goes for the manual Thomists ultra rad trad Catholics and Sedevacantists. They are just sectarians fighting each other online, they are like Salafis who they hate so much.
Beside Zoroastrianism at the time, Heraclitus just understood the Hebrew sages and papyrus that were being written thanks to Cyrus. Further, Memra is the Logos way before the 6th C BC. Too much cred given to Greek warmongers. Too much spiritual ignorance regarding mythologizing relatively obscure history. Much of it is Christ-hating post-modern apologizing for anti-theist interpretations of mythology. These two….
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You can read St. Basil's "Address to Young Men on the Right Use of Greek Literature" here: www.tertullian.org/fathers/basil_litterature01.htm
@thegreattales thank you for this pearl of wisdom and your time.
I've always been a huge admirer of the Holy Cappadocian Fathers. Our Divine Liturgy is mainly St. Basil's, and even though they were contemporaries, I'm not sure how this slipped by.
May St. Basil the Great, forgive me.
I'm already reading. Thank you again.
Thank you so much for the link and your beautiful explanations. This text is not translated into German, I will spread its deep meaning in my parish in Hamburg.
Greetings from Germany.☦
As a middle-aged Greek, having grown up Orthodox in Greece, it goes without saying that we study texts like ancient Greek or medieval literature. This is our school curriculum, and it used to be like that when our parents and their parents were young, when the country was much less secular than it is now. Except St Basil, the commonplace arguments for this that I can think of are: 1. The Byzantines held the ancient Greek tradition in great esteem, the Church especially went to great lengths to preserve both texts and the ancient language (to the extent that this caused a language problem for later generations, with two different strands of language developing in parallel) 2. Monasteries is where this tradition was preserved, with generations of monks diligently copying ancient texts 3. In some Byzantine churches there are images of ancient philosophers together with the saints and prophets and everyone else 4. Contemporary Orthodox scholars/artists such as Konroglou drew from the ancient tradition (Kontoglou's ancient-themed frescoes in the building of the municipality of Athens is a typical example). Just mentioning this in case it is interesting to anyone.
I've been waiting for this. Can't wait for Jonathan Pageau to appear on here
This is awesome. I could never get excited about most any literature as a teenager, and never thought about them as an adult. But I’m really looking forward to this podcast.
Videos are getting released by multiple creators at the most providential times for me. Recently, within the past month or so, I’ve had a great interest in classic and modern “great” literature and I had wondered if I was just distracting myself from the ‘Life in Christ’. Even though one could use it as distraction, I’m happy to hear it doesn’t have to be that way. Thank you Father Andrew and Mr. Rohlin. Really looking forward to future episodes!
I’m so glad you mentioned William Bennett’s Book of Virtues. I remembered recently that my parents played the audio treasury version for me as a kid, and I have rediscovered it for my kids. I hadn’t realized how much those stories had influenced my development, even though I had forgotten about them for a time. But now listening again, I remember them all, and the wonder they provoked in me back then. Deeply grateful.
I think this is going to be my next favorite podcast, right after Amon Sul.
Isn't he that demoniac InspiringPhilosophy regularly knocks down a peg for being a godless heathen?
This is about to become the best podcast!
This sounds like it is going to be a great series. I totally agree with you both that the West has lost its connection with the Classical tradition in modern times but thank God for people like G.K Chesterton, J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Joseph Pearce, Fr. Dwight Longnecker, Christopher Dawson, and so forth that many of us in the Catholic church have a love for Classical and Medieval literature. I can't wait for more episodes.
I have no words to thank you for this show. There was a great philologist in Greece, by the name Konstantinos Ganotis, a spiritual child of Saint Porfyrios that dwelt with this topic and had presented amazing analysis of all the Ancient Greek literature one can imagine, as a prescripture scripture documents. At least that is how I perceive it.
I guess the knowledge of God and His promise, was in the memory of the people even after Noa. One may find the genesis flood in many cultures including Ancient Greek mythology and Deucalion. And in the Prometheus story, we read that he was waiting for salvation from the son of the virgin! Amazing! One could dare call these prophecies! In the great monastery of Meteora in Greece there is iconography of the Ancient Greek philosophers in the hallway. Beautiful.
Grateful again for your work!
Awesome! Just awesome! Thank you both very much!
This show is already our new favorite. Thank you both for teaching us by your example, so we can learn to teach our kids!
YOU HAVE TO GET MARTIN SHAW ON HERE
Excellent first episode, looking forward to more!
@RichardRohlin at 39:15 where did you get that Herakleitos said that "virtue is the Logos made flesh" from? I've been studying him for a while now and never came across this statement.
Idk if there maybe was some confusion between Herakleitos of Ephesos and maybe the 2nd century bishop Herakleitos, Heraclitus Homericus or Herakleidos Pontikos. However, I know of no such statements by these people either. Or maybe one of the early Christian authors like Clement of Alexandria, Origin, Tertullian, etc. confused something or ascribed to Herakleitos of Ephesos something he never said. The statement that "virtue is the Logos made flesh" seems to be quite a departure from his other statements, about the Logos, not only in terms of language but also in terms of content, and it may be a very liberal Christian reinterpretation of something else he had said.
In fact, although @frandrewstephendamick quoted the wrong fragment, since the epigraph of T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets is a quotation of Herakleitos' Fragments DK2 & DK60 and not of DK50, which is the one that @frandrewstephendamick quotes, those fragments however are much more in line with a heraclitean position on virtue, i.e. the recognition that all is one in the Logos and acting according to that fact (Fragments DK2, DK50 & DK112) constitutes wisdom and virtue.
So could you please provide a source for that statement?
Thanks in advance!
Following.
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Beside Zoroastrianism at the time, Heraclitus just read the Hebrew sages and papyrus that were being written thanks to Cyrus. Further, Memra is the Logos way before the 6th C BC.
Too much cred given to Greeks. Too much spiritual ignorance regarding mythologizing relatively obscure history. Much of it is post-modern apologizing for anti-theist interpretations of mythology.
These two….
@@mythologicalmyth Regarding the claim about the Hebrew sages and papyri: This is a very speculative claim for which there is zero evidence. There is no evidence for Heraclitus' engagement with or him being influenced by Hebrew teachings, or even his awareness thereof. He certainly was influenced by the Zoroastrian and Orphic traditions, though.
Sure Memra is somewhat analogous to Heraclitus' Logos but so is any sort of ordering cosmic principle and there are significant difference between Heraclitus' Logos and Memra. And also given the fact that the concept of the creative word of God exists in much more influential cultures such as the Egyptians, Persians and Indians, it would be extremely difficult to make a solid case for Memra being the one which actually influenced Heraclitus. So there cannot be made any special claim towards Memra being the one concept which influenced Heraclitus, especially given the lack of evidence for the influence of Hebrew teachings on him while we actually have such evidence for his engagement with other pre-socratics, the Orpics and Zoroastrians.
@@mythologicalmyth Hermis Trismegistos was older than both and he was Greek, he spoke first about the divine Logos and the In Trinity Being One Divinity
What an amazing first episode. The end resonated with me as someone who has realized that I missed out on so much foundational reading material that would have made me a much more forward thinking young man. Like St Basil's letter to young men. Thank you. God Bless you Father and Richard Rohlin. Very generous of you to put this together. One point of feedback: you mention different books, websites etc through the podcast. Might be worth adding some of these in your links e.g. the St Basil book, Book of Virtues etc.
Looking forward to more of this!!
Lifelong Orthodox Christian but new homeschooling parent -- When I found the Heart and Mind St Nektarios book, I was thrilled because almost all pedagogical material in English has no connection to the Christian East or doesnt consider a tradition of Christian response to pre Christian sources. I am so glad you all are embarking on this project and I look forward to making myself a little syllabus of reading material from it 😊
What are some of the topics he touches upon in the essays of that book?
Very excited! Thank you for this…and CHRIST IS RISEN!
Saint Basil is explaining how to win the battle “Thy kingdom come thy will be done”…..we are helping to usher in God’s kingdom . We become all things to all men as Paul explained. He was entering into a Pagan battlefield.
"I am a real Athenian, fight for wisdom for every man." - Plato, probably
I am so excited for this show
This is a great start of a series! Too many great quotes by St Basil to write down. But I've always been certain that there are great truths to gleam from the pagan traditions when you keep Christ in your heart
Honey from the Flowers - Saint Basil pray for us
Orthodox here from Romania ❤️🫶🏻☦️
Thank you! I’ll be incorporating these into to my homeschool.
This was amazing! I'm so excited to see where this goes.
wonderful! thank you!
Will you be posting the works to be discussed well ahead of time so we can read them before the episode airs?
We intend to announce on each episode what the next episode will be about.
Thank you so much.God bless you.L9ve from Greece 🇬🇷 🙏 🩵
As if these guys aren't busy enough already lol. Keep 'em coming!
Great job!!!
Thank you so much! Very impressive discussion!
Would it be possible to have a list of titles for those of us just starting out but 60+
Please
Wonderful - sense a lovely sympatico with Weird Studies 🥰
I was one of the few to run into the Be the Bee channel before converting.
Great podcast God bless men
Finally!
Fabulous. You know, as a child, I recall reading for the first time about an Emperor who believed that he was splendidly clothed. As it slowly came to his attention that he was , in fact, naked ; the Emperor marched on. It was impressive. The audacious, bold, arrogant parade that he led. Naked. He simply marched on…..
I would looooove some book recommendations.
Just look up the Western Canon.
As a Brit I can confirm it is all for naught
😂
I LICE THIS! I know Harry Potter does not compare to Greek literature - but I know my kids (who were 5 and 8 when book one came out) saw countless examples of truth, courage, sacrifice and goodness in those books in a non-preachey way. ❤
Rowling studied Greek classics in college
It’s a Christ like story with sacrificial love, death and resurrection as well as a spotless mother.
You "lice this" and let your kids read Harry Potthead?! 🙄 Why let them be involved in witchcraft? Witchcraft is demonic. We cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
@@Orthoindiansorcery is not "non-preachery", its just dem0n1c. The story has a liberal mindset from beggining to end
The greatest of modern fiction is like contemporary mytholgy. We can't help but be impacted by it
This inaugural episode deals with St. Basil the Great and his teaching from "The Address to Young Men on the Right Use of Greek Literature" (roughly) regarding reading and learning from the writing and thinking of "pagan" writers and thinkers.
St. Basil gives a lesson on how to discern. Essentially, "all truth is God's truth," and "eat the fish, spit out the bones."
There is truth in "lower writings" that can help us understand the truth of the "highest writings," particularly the Gospels.
Did you enjoy and understand the eternal good truths in things like "Star Wars" and "Harry Potter?" That's good, and that leads you to being able to understand the higher eternal truths.
As I've said, if we are image-bearers of our Creator, then we are lovers of stories and story-telling and the truths conveyed by them. How did Jesus teach? Not only through His actual life and behavior, but by parables, which are stories. This is why we all universally love stories and story-telling.
"Whatever things were rightly said among all men, are the property of us Christians..." - St. Justin Martyr (c. 100 - 165)
"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Philippians 4:8
Cope.
Why does Christianity need anything outside itself?
@@RockerfellerRothchild1776 There is nothing outside it. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the round world and all they that dwell therein.
Star Wars is eastern mysticism and Harry Potter is witchcraft. So what if it's pop culture? It's influence has been very demonic and doesn't need to be entertained by us.
Context is everything. Giving a young child 101 Arabian Nights without knowing the scriptures first not a good idea.
Can anyone find the Heralcitus quote where he describes virtue as the Logos made flesh? I've been looking everywhere for it and can't find it
I think I read this in a book called "Who Killed Homer" by Victor David Hanson. Either that, or it was in a book by Stratford Caldecott. I'm sorry that's not very helpful, but when I have more time I'll dig for it.
Heraclitus just read the Hebrew sages and rabbinical papyrus. Memra is the Logos way before the 6th C BC.
Excellent.🎉
Edified 😊 thank you 👍
This is a wonderful podcast. I was wondering if there are future plans to expand into some classics of the eastern world (India, China etc)?
Epic!
His father was a professor of Oratory and St. Basil’s first academic instructor (his mother and grandmother were his spiritual instructors).
I am think that the oratorical style he was taught comes out in how he presents principles.
Thank you!
09:04 Both Homer's works, not just the Iliad, were used as elementary books for teaching children to read and write Greek for approximately 1200 years, from the Classical Greek era to the early Byzantine era. In the 7th c. AD the Septuagint Psalter replaced the Iliad and Odyssey for children attending *Χαμαιδιδασκαλεῖον* i.e. Byzantine Elementary school (the name means both, _close-to-the-ground-school_ because kids used to sit on the ground, and metaphorically _lower school_ ). The Iliad and Odyssey then were used as manuals for teaching grammar to pupils aged older than ten for a couple of centuries more, in fact it was expected by ten, eleven-year-old pupils to know by heart large chunks of both works and to perform them publicly, in metre!
British zero is 'nought'.
'Naught', however, is still very much in use, particularly up North.
On the subject of happy keys and sad keys of music, it's interesting to note that it's subjective, not so pronounced within one school of music (e.g. western), but definitely between schools (e.g. western vs Indonesian). I guess my point being I wonder how much wiggle room there is for different music to the same end.
If you don't know the culture, you don't know the language. For example, "same thing we do every night".
"the hobbits the hobbits the hobbits the hobbits..."
Pardon my observation, isn't St. Pachomius of the Desert Fathers, the father/founder of Christian Cenobitic Monasticism?
He is, but so is St. Basil, who provided the basic Rule for cenobitic life that became the general basis for Orthodox monasticism, including in the West, since St. Benedict based his Rule on St. Basil's.
Amazing
1:27:26 I will never think of Plato in the same way ever again. 😂
what is the music at the beginning? 🤩
"Cold Journey" by Alexander Nakarada
Question about music: Do you hosts think it is fine to listen to "catchy" but not decent music if one does not understand the foreign lyrics?
Is that Subdeacon Seraphim? From St. Seraphim’s Orthodox Cathedral? I was introduced to you through Jimmy! I’m Deric! My first visit to the Orthodox Church was witnessing you get ordained. Pretty cool. Looks like you’re doing great things. Look forward to more talks with you.
Will the podcast that Father Anthony is doing/continuing still be Amon Sul? I didn't understand where to hear his podcast.
Yes, that's right. The same audio feeds will work, but you can also now find it here on TH-cam: www.youtube.com/@AmonS%C3%BBlPodcast
43:00 staring into the sun of the gospels and the eclipse glasses of the pagan literature. Too much glory versus tolerable glory. What information is accessible to a student?
1:07:00 Virtue as more than right and wrong moralizing.
Ok. So i got this and Lord of Spirits on Thursdays!
Except for 5th Thursdays, which are some kind of weird vortex where no podcasting can happen.
@@thegreattales Curse the podcast vortex! (I think I remember that on an episode of Star Trek. Or maybe it was Farscape.)
Wonderful - helps me formulate my resistance to J Peterson also - the idea 'that there is' is to derive a meaning (for him a moral or principle or pattern) - which always pains me because it destroys beauty/art & forces it into artifice to a purpose(?)
Is 'meaning' always reductive unless it is aesthetically expressed?
What’s the name of the book about poetry that Richard mentioned?
Any plans to look at eastern myths like Journey to the West?
When you guys get to King Arthur, can you talk a bit about the cathedral in Camelot being St. Stephen's. Winchester, where Malory places Camelot, is not dedicated to Stephen. Is this the French and Malory simply trying to liken Arthur and his eventual death to the martyr?
1:06:58 that’s strange that your heterodox preachers criticized sermons where St. Paul quoted pagan poets. There was certainly incorrect teaching and theology from the heterodox sermons I heard, but I recall sermons on that passage, talking about the value in relating to nuggets of truth or references you could make in the culture of the people you were trying to reach.
I hope we can deal with Herakles. In Pop culture he is often missrepresented by being a stupid brute. While in the story he was very crafty and smart. There is also the mystery how Herakles could be a god in Olympus meet Odysseus in Hades and at the same time be a star sign.
I often found the music to be lovely and the lyrics to be damaging.
Excellent discussion. This intent to under educate is a recurring objective ,by ruling class thru the ages. This topic alone would be an entire book. In 1903 ,in America ,this happened by multi millionaire, taking control of education. Many problems can be traced to our propaganda that was called education. Great Show, at least a few of us know why there's so much UNNECESSARY suffering, injustice and poor health.
Where are the last two episodes of Amon Sûl that you owe me?
Not that I don’t appreciate this new thing. I am beyond Jazzed. May God bless it and you both.
Episodes 110 and 111 of Amon Sûl have both been recorded and are in production. Starting with Episode 111, Amon Sûl will also be released on TH-cam at its own dedicated channel: www.youtube.com/@AmonS%C3%BBlPodcast
I’m curious about the reference to “some forms of reformed soteriology” undermining our value of Christ’s atonement. I found the opposite, having grown up a Bob Jones-style Baptist fundamentalist and later become Sproul-style Presbyterian. Maybe there’s a corner of the reformed world that takes a different view. But Dr. Sproul would have heartily agreed with you about including the Greek classics in Christian education, and about the universal scope of the redemption Christ is bringing to the world through his death, resurrection, ascension, and session. It was the heartbeat of his preaching.
PSA and TULIP are demonic heresies.
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Did he just call us sordid ladies and gentlemen 😂😂😂
"assorted"
I know, but I thought it was funnier as "sordid." Yes, I have a sordid sense of humor.
its a persons proper name atleast pronoucne it correctly. you arent referring to the herb. i always loved that name basil. and if i had ever had a son i would of liked to name him that.:( like basil fawlty or basil rathbone even basdil staghare. and i wouldnt want people mis pronoucing his name.:(
American and British pronunciations of this name are different: dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/basil
So is it okay to read Harry Potter or no? :)
Despite what liberal leaning people say when they claim they find Christian symbolism inside, it's filled with witchcraft and turned a generation into wizards and warlocks who think they're super special. Avoid like the plague.
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I’m a Texan I can say what I want, lol most Texan thing to say
I struggle with something: Orthodox are always saying "beauty will save the world" but whenever a new Orthodox channel comes online it is once again people talking on webcams for two straight hours. There's no effort to lighting or editing. This could be radio. TH-cam is a visual medium and yet Orthodox, despite speaking passionately about iconography and beauty, never seem to care at all about making any effort visually and will talk for hours. It feels more protestant, this need to just speak and not think about the beauty of things, as though so long as the right words are said all will be ok.
Please, the information is so important, but please can you try harder to actually present it beautifully? Perhaps also edit it down a bit, and add on Q and A separately?
The amount of good Orthodox information presented online in such long form video projects, but with so little effort to actually making the film look good, and keeping it to talking heads on screen, feels frustrating and self-indulgent. Please please try to step it up. There are so many Catholic and Protestant channels out there with some sense of production value or even just attempts at it, but none in Orthodoxy
This is a live show with people in remote studios (one in his home), so there are certain limitations because of the format and also not having a massive production budget. We are, however, trying to make this show as visually interesting as we can, and there is a great beauty to the written word, which is what this show focuses on.
All that said, "beauty will save the world" isn't a dogma and certainly isn't a statement about TH-cam production values.
Anyway, if you're interested in a presentation that has different parameters and takes a lot more advantage of footage, etc., check out this other project of ours, "The Wolf and the Cross": th-cam.com/video/vm1CLR5Xi3M/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your interest in our work.
Who removed my comments? All because I don't believe Christians should have a part of Harry Potter? I thought this was an Orthodox ☦️ Christian channel. Must have gotten it wrong. God bless you all anyway! Praying for your true repentance and salvation. 🙏🏻💜 Unsubbing. One last thing, may it be blessed!
And this is the larping pietistic and maybe pharisaic Orthobro attitude, you can never be Orthodox enough........ They are essentially online self crowning (with the crown of "self"rightousness) Puritans being mad at everything and seeing the devil everywhere including in their socks, same goes for the manual Thomists ultra rad trad Catholics and Sedevacantists. They are just sectarians fighting each other online, they are like Salafis who they hate so much.
Your comments were not deleted by anyone on our team. I don't know what might have happened. I do see other comments from you in another thread.
I will not buy this record. It is scratched.
The myth of mythology. Mythology is metaphysical spiritual history.
Beside Zoroastrianism at the time, Heraclitus just understood the Hebrew sages and papyrus that were being written thanks to Cyrus. Further, Memra is the Logos way before the 6th C BC.
Too much cred given to Greek warmongers. Too much spiritual ignorance regarding mythologizing relatively obscure history. Much of it is Christ-hating post-modern apologizing for anti-theist interpretations of mythology.
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