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Messi 18/19 is the most complete footballer in existence imo. He maybe scored/assisted more in other seasons, but the performances he was putting up and types of goals he was scoring and chances he was creating, simply out of this world. His dribbling that season felt so polished and perfect too. Great idea for a tier list.
I’m a Liverpool fan and Messi fan and I was so torn going into the tie I wanted my team to win but what I was seeing from Messi I’ve never seen on a football pitch. The things that that man was doing wow just wow. I would’ve never thought we could come back from that first leg but Messi was still great he created everything for Barca to kill off the second leg but that’s ur team letting you down you can’t fault Messi. What a player
Don’t know if you were old enough to remember it, but 2010/11 was just ridiculous. Scored a crazy amount, imo was more electric as a player, and Barcelona won the league and UCL
@@farouq143 I’m a Liverpool fan too and I was scared to my bones when I saw we drew Barca, then I was certain it was over when Messi dropped that masterclass against us. We didn’t even play poorly in the first leg. He was just that good. Still dumbfounded we came back. Speaks to his brilliance that we didn’t even play bad and he still bossed that whole game.
@@Bofa99 Not only Suarez even neymar could have won it had he stayed at Barca. Messi was looking more for playmaking role from 2018 on wards and didn't wanted to be the main goalscorer of the team. He started playing deep dropping in the midfield but with Coutinho & dembele flopping he had to take it up.
@@Bofa99well the Ballon d’Or community put Messi at 5th in 2018…even though that year was one of Messi’s Best…so yeah Suarez could’ve won the Ballon d’Or if he was efficient..
Messi’s career is somehow like a movie. In his early years around 2006/7 to 2008he relied on his dribbling and pace but his finishing was a bit off as he was growing. Then as he progressed (around 2011/12/13)his finishing became more prolific and he became very deadly infront of goal . Then getting to 2015,he added playmaking to his style and his passing was more amazing whilst being a phenomenal dribbler and a deadly goal scorer but I’d say he was all of those things in 2018/19. He became a complete player around that time. You could even say he reached his peak
2018/19 Messi might have been his biggest carry job ever but, make no mistake, 2014/15 Messi was the greatest and most consistent individual campaign we’ve ever seen in football.
what does consistent mean to you guys? most games that he recorded a G/A? or most games where he displayed a dominant performance? Sure, he scored in 22 consecutive games in 12/13, but was his level in those games as dominant as 14/15? Idk man, in 14/15 he had goalless games like vs City (home and away) and Bayern (away) where he was phenomenal. With Messi, his stats are always godly so you can’t just use that metric, you need to have seen the games.
@@chuka6625 His performances that season were also top tier. The problem is that he had injury issues from February or so till the end of the year. He was carrying the team that season. He was incredibly dominant that season though not as complete as 2015 to 2019. His record breaking year was largely because of the 2012/13 season but he was also moving like a man possessed. He slowed down after the injuries and didn't pick up till around the world cup in 2014
My personal favourite is 14/15. Just cause it was more of a bounce back year. Came back from a down year (from his high standards), and looked explosive and back in shape again. Arguably the fittest he ever was in his career. Plus he was sharing the goals among to other world class fowards yet still ended up with 80+ g/a from RW. A Joy to watch that year
Messi 19/20 and 20/21 are his most underrated versions tbh . The fact that he topped almost every la liga attacking stats is still very crazy to me. Especially in second half of 20/21, He dropped 8/10 almost every matchday
I distinctly remember Messi exploding in the second half of the 20/21 season. Lockdown games. Scoring beauties while weaving magic. His copa del rey final goal was delicious.
As a Barça fan that watched all these seasons live, I'd say 18/19 was the best for me. Scored free kicks like they were penalties and the entire team seemed ro revolve around him
18/19 is the single most overstated/overhyped season, because kids only know of that and have faint or 0 memories of his earlier Meteoric seasons when he nuked teams singlehandedly. 2009-15.
@@DC-zi6se I've watched the majority of Barcelona games from 2004 to present. Only games I've missed have been because of school/work, most of which I record and rewatch. It wasnt overhyped. I remember.
@@DC-zi6se i respectfully disagree.what I remember most that season is that the seasons before Messi might score one, two maybe three free kicks a season, he'd miss the majority of them, then that season he literally just flicked a switch and started banging them in every game. We also almost went unbeaten that season , only losing one league game
Fun fact (imho): the best (arguably) seasons from Messi in terms of individual performances always come after a disappointing World Cup (2010,2014,2018). Indeed, I’d say that 10/11, 14/15 and 18/19 seasons are his best, even though it’s plenty of Messi’s incredible seasons, it’s easier to mention the seasons where he underperformed (just 1-2 max). It’s like after world cups disappointments Messi came back angrier and more focused/fit than ever. 2018/19 season was also particular for Messi because it was his first season as the main captain for Barcelona, so he surely took even more responsibilities, you could really see that in his UCL performances, especially against spurs where he was defending like the old days I’d also add that the period 2016-18 is pretty underrated, his performances were absurd but were outshined by Real Madrid winning multiple champions leagues (despite robbing Bayern Munich twice but nobody says it).
@@MirkoMaverick95 Messi was never the same player after the 16/17 season. His superhuman explosiveness died after that season. He became more of a short steps dribbler, rather than a marauding end to end dribbler which he used to be prior.
@@DC-zi6se yet after 2016, Messi won three straight golden boots and topped every almost la liga attacking stats in 17/18, 18/19,19/20 . Three seasons straight. Do you realise how mad that is ? He did all that while carrying Barca in UCL and league . Ofc comparatively it's not better than Messi 09-12 but Messi 16-19 was absolute unit
@@DC-zi6se Imagine if Messi didn't get injured in 2013. He was already on 21 games scoring streak . He could have possibly broke his own record of 91 goals 😭 . 08-15 Messi is the greatest peak of a footballer.
Yh someone genuinely controlling the tempo of games yet still having the amount of goals he had that year was unreal. Even If I took the goals away he’d just regress to a better version of David silva. Unreal footballer
14/15 version is the mix of the "mercurial" 10/11 version, "machine" 11/12 version and "magisterial" 18/19 version. 14/15 was ig the "magical" version. Plus the treble to top it all off.
@@DC-zi6se we missed the potential greatest UCL final of all time in 14/15 only because Modric got injured and Morata came back to haunt Madrid. An el classico UCL final in 14/15 would've been the golden game of the century had it happened. Both squads meeting at peak!
20/21 such an uderrated szn, watched every Barca game and he was absolutely insane. W/o him we would’ve been fighting for relegation. Absolutely insane carryjob
To be honest Messi in the 2012-2013 season was on an absolutely unstoppable run and Barcelona looked like they could've won a treble that season but everything was ruined when the team found out that Tito Vilanova unfortunately had cancer which completely destroyed the mood of the team and on top of that Messi was dealing with hamstring injuries in the most important part of the season.
10/11 for me, he was so special. genuinely eveyrtime he touched the ball you just knew he was making something out of nothing. and also that legendary UCL campaign
I think his 2011 was his best in terms of Messi being at his best PHYSICALLY. He was fast, impossible to drop, just an insane specimen. But if we're talking about a pound-for-pound the best version of Leo, it has to be his 2019 season. I always felt like his football IQ peaked at that season. Also, one last point, 17/18 was better than the 2013 season. He was injured for a lot of games that season.
He stopped dribbling that season, played as an opportunistic centre forward. Only stat-hoggers like that season. Real Messi fans would never put that season in the same category as 10/11 or 14/15 level.
@@DC-zi6se who hurt you? you're in every comment thread arguing against others for no reason calling them fake messi fans LOL. Put your arrogance away dude
@@DC-zi6se "real Messi fans" so we can't appreciate goalscoring? He focused on goalscoring yes. And it was an insane season lol, he still provided quality passes and chances tho as seen in the madrid encounters. Dribbled less but that's okay.
Crazy to think that prime's of other amazing footballers like Vini, Griezmann, Palmer, Foden, Rodri, Saka, Son, Lautaro maybe even Haaland would just be on B teir for messi. Like that 13/14 and 19/20 he was easiliy top 2 top 3 in the world, but compared to other seasons, he looked mid. Messi's lowest is the peak of others. If we also note, 21/22 Messi - his 'lowest' was statistically the same as 23/24 Vini with 38 g/a for both of them. Really puts things into perspective
14/15 Messi was the best and tbh, it's not a debate. He still had the dribbling ability of 2011 Messi (The Goal in the Copa Del Rey final vs Bilbao was a joke) and had the creativity of 2018 Messi. Plus the energy to combine perfectly with Suarez and Neymar. It was the greatest version of any footballer ever.
14/15 messi and 18/19 messi were essentially the same players. But mere watching them, you can tell 18/19 messi was better. He took football to a whole other level. He had completed his game. 14/15 messi is his 2nd greatest version behind 18/19
@DC-zi6se yes. Because he didn't need it..... 18/19 Messi was more calm and composed. Didn't need that explosiveness to get the job done. He played 10, 8 and 6 position consistently at GOAT LEVEL. Do you know how fifa coded that it. And what edges 18/19 Messi over 14/15 Messi is the level of consistency. 18/19 Messi was HIM ll through the szn. 14/15 Messi didn't reach Messi level till like mid December. You're here talking about speed and explosiveness. 18/19 Messi was basically 14/15 Messi but in zen master level.
@@A123-u7z First of all Maradona isn’t the only legend and second Messi is clear of Maradona, you’ve never even seen Maradonas season in full you’re just saying this cos someone told you
@@Lu149 I have watches many matches. Messi is hardly half Maradona. Skill wise what Diego in 80s, R9 in 90s.... But when coming to tough he is just average
12/13 was a joke , a JOKE, 21 consecutive games in la liga with his name on the score sheet....TWENTY ONE, he was on par to equal or break 11/12 record of 73 goals in all comps, biggest 'what if' season
Kids: OMG 18/19 is sooooo gooood.... !!! 🤣 Real fans know that "La Pulga" Messi ended with the 17/18 season itself. He became more of a static creator and not that marauding destroyer of defenses he used to be.
I think Hazard 18/19 is one of the most underrated seasons of all time. Most g/a in the league, won the Europa League being named player of the season and got to a Carabao cup final being the best player in that final. One of the biggest carry jobs I've seen and he finished THIRTEENTH in the Ballon Dor. Was minimum top 3
@@RPCentral7 I think you could argue he was a top 3 “performer” I’d say, but a lot of players have been knocked for playing Europa league, that’s the reality unfortunately e.g salah and van dijk was left out of top 30 ballondor partly due to it last year. It was also part due to his awful start in Madrid. Same happend in 14/15 to 15/16. Chelsea were so bad that next season I think he was the only Chelsea ballondor nominee (when e.g Fabregas should’ve easily been there) and he dropped a couple spots. It’s what happend to Foden this year although ballondor is last season based if you have a poor start for some reason journalists act as if it’s not based on the previous season
10-11 and 11-12 he was god level the entire season 14-15 and 18-19 he was god level in the second half of the season (first half was A tier in these two seasons). That is why 10-11 and 11-12 are above in my opinion. Although 18-19 he carried everything in a away never seen before, which makes it more special than all the others. The UCL loss still hurts
I've been a Barcelona fan since 2006 and I've watched almost every game since 2012 Additionally I usually really respect your opinion so I'm really looking forward to this!! Edit: okay 2 things I think it gets forgotten too often that in 12/13 Tito Vilanova(RIP), who's a beloved club legend, got diagnosed with cancer which definitely played a part in Barças lackluster end of that season And I think his 22/23 season deserves A tier, because his WC campaign was arguably one of the best oat and I'm pretty sure that his playmaking stats were phenomal for PSG But that's me being a bit nitpicky because I wanted to say something lol. Otherwise, another great video, that's why I rate your opinion rather highly
The fact that, that Barcelona team error had the greatest attacking trio and the greatest midfield trio in the history of football, in one period is crazy
Trio? More like trios? They've had like 5 of the best trios in history while Messi was there. Messi Dinho Eto'o, Messi Henry Eto'o, Messi Henry Ibra, Messi Villa, Pedro, Messi Neymar Suarez, etc
Messi at his peak (18/19) was a one man army and his treble and ucl promise was ruined by that rotten snake dembele. Although dembele fouled di maria in the wc final so some element of football justice there
Great Video, thank you! 😇⚽️🇦🇷🐐 I love Messi and I can see that you really have a great ball knowledge. I agree with your list, but for me personally 18/19 was the best and most complete Messi version ever. In addition I would have put 22/23 in A (second tier) just because of his unbelievable performances during the world cup 🏆🇦🇷🐐
I’d argue 21/22 in D-tier is harsh. I’m not saying it’s an all timer or anything, 6 goals is horrible, sure. But I think a lot of people bury that season under a pile of criticism without any context, and him winning the BO over Lewa soured a lot of people before the season even properly started. Pochettino having him on touch line winger duties at 34 is criminal, and really explains why he didn’t replicate his goal scoring form. But people forget he was arguably one of the best players in the UCL groups, he dragged that PSG team to the KOs with that performance at home against Man City, one of his most underrated goals (tho he was eventually disappointing against Madrid in the RO16). His assists numbers were still amongst the best in Europe that season, and would’ve been off the charts if not for Mbappé (despite being at his peak) squandering a ridiculous amount of chances. C-tier season imo, it just can’t be in the bottom tier with pre-retirement and teenage Messi.
Remember we are ranking Messi by MESSI standards,us as messi fans will understand context but to the general public it looks different.22/23 is one of his best seasons for me excluding the world cup but some people see it different just because he was in a discombobulated PSG side that was too attacker heavy with a bad defense and unstable midfield.
Love these tier lists Lyes! And as a Barca fan it is lovely to honour the GOAT, something that somehow doesn't happen enough haha. Keep up the great work!
18/19 bro almost won barca a TREBLE 💀 that is unheard of for how bad the overall team actually was. I’d prob agree with most these rankings but remember, Messi’s standards are so high that is why he has some seasons in D B and A. Those seasons in S tier are the best seasons in football history just from the eye test standpoint .
Barca only won la liga in 2018/19, but they won la liga and UCL in 2010/11. Not sure if you’re old enough to remember it, but imo 2010/11 is definitely the best
@LM10-s1r I’m not saying what Messi is better than the other. I’m saying that 2018/2019 Barca team was shit, and Messi almost solo’d them to a treble lmfao. Messi under Pep was his best years +2015.
For me the stark difference in the careers of Messi & Yamal, and the only thing that worries me about Yamal’s ceiling, is that Messi had so many talents to learn from. He took from xavi, Iniesta, zlatan, Henry, DINHO, and other world class, generational players. I truly believe that aided in Messi becoming the player he did. Who does Yamine have to learn from besides Lewandowski?
The "Messi learned from Ronaldinho" thing is getting boring now. Messi was always special. He would've achieved this level whether he played with these players or not. As for Yamal, I honestly don't think he's anywhere near messi in terms of natural ability. Yamals playmaking is insane at this age and is his best asset but I just don't see him scoring the amount of goals or anywhere near the amount that Messi did. Messi could do everything (create, score and dribble at an incredible level) even at a young age. Yamal is great but I honestly just think reaching Messi's individual level is virtually impossible. Yamals finishing is very bad as well. I know he can work on that but still....
18/19 season was an absolute joke. One game away from an invincible league and a treble. All crumbled in 1 week against 5-4 Levante where Coutinho scored a hat trick and the 2nd leg against Liverpool. The most heart breaking week as a Barcelona fan for me.
One game away from an invincible league and a treble? Barcelona lost 3 league games Barcelona lost in the Copa Del Rey final Barcelona lost in the UCL semi final
@@oufc90 ok thats my bad I mixed up the 2 seasons of the invincible league season. Treble was really close tho. That week is true where they rested the starters and lost 5-4 while I was also watching Liverpool during that time as Origi scored against NewCastle before the Barcelona game. My bad tho definitely not an invincible season
36:24 I fw u too much for saying that 🔥 more people need to admit it like idgaf mbappe and vini are not better than Messi rn it only looks like it bc Messi is in miami and doesn’t care but if he was on Barca rn he would be better
14/15 and 18/19 are incredible seasons but 09/10 was it for me. That season Zlatan realized there was big difference between world class and Messi class
@@DC-zi6se istg at the rate your going your just gonna reply this say shit under every single comment there is on this video. And youre wrong!! Who hurt you?
@@afolabiajigbolamu8457Dude can't sleep at night man 😂. His opinion is the only one that matters. 18/19 was the most complete and the best version of Messi.
@PerfectSamurai that's what I've been trying to tell him. 18/19 messi was 14/15 messi. Except that he elevated his game. I been trying to tell him but he's too stubborn
Messi has a lotta ways he can benefit from his teammates, he can feed poachers, combine with midfielders, synchronise with either fullback (Alves/Alba) and more. Bartomeu destroyed the team building so much that they'd probably not make top 4 without Messi
Even 21/22 and 2024 mls messi is like an A gy general standards. All C and above are S for most. And Messi's S is like X or something, hes an absolute glitch
in my opinion 14/15 is the perfect combination of why 10/11 and 18/19 are great respectively. Still younger and insanely qick and dangerous on the ball like 10/11 but also more composed and arguably a better playmaker like in 18/19. For me 14/15 is messis best ever season when accounting for all aspects of his game.
My fav version of Messi is 20/21 because no one talking about that version in that time he was alone tho and he Also drop the best Copa America campaign Ever
17/18 season rivals 18/19 so it has to be in “S” 20/21 season delivered Copa America impressively deserves to go a level up into “A” 16/17 season Messi’s most memorable El Clásico fixture at the Santiago Bernabéu with 37 La Liga goals in just 34 appearances = “S”
My fav was definitely 14/15 Messi, he just seemed inevitable. Every game was like a show, too easy- Like "what type of dribbles ; and how many goals, assist will he and S-N score today, lol". 18/19 was more stressful, he was carrying the team and his performances were probable greater, but 14/15 was better.
Without knowing his tear list, season 2010/11 was the most feared and unstoppable version of Messi, he cost havic to whole defenses. Like a famous commentator said " Defenses can't live with him, we cannot live without him" ❤
Tbh 2020/21 Messi should be A same for 22/23 as a Ronaldo fan i love This man and tbh Ronaldo is my favourite player but Messi is the player which i most enjoyed the most he's the Best player ever played football
Most of US watch all Messi career ,and to be honest i have no idea how to rank his seasons. At 2010 he was already being compare to pele and Maradona, not Cristiano.
2018/19 Messi is just God of football personified, the level of play that Messi displayed both in the league and Champions league is not conceivable for sane human being. The dribbles, the passes, the long range goals and the free-kicks you say it and Messi displays it at the level whose pinnacle is yet to be replicated by any other player. Also, the single-handed demolishion of ManU and Tottenham in the Chanpions league is yet to be replicated. If I have to put it in one sentence, it would be " GOD level of football".
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First time watching your video so dont really know much about you.
But got to say the rankings were perfect. Every single season was ranked perfectly.
Messi 18/19 is the most complete footballer in existence imo. He maybe scored/assisted more in other seasons, but the performances he was putting up and types of goals he was scoring and chances he was creating, simply out of this world. His dribbling that season felt so polished and perfect too. Great idea for a tier list.
I’m a Liverpool fan and Messi fan and I was so torn going into the tie I wanted my team to win but what I was seeing from Messi I’ve never seen on a football pitch. The things that that man was doing wow just wow. I would’ve never thought we could come back from that first leg but Messi was still great he created everything for Barca to kill off the second leg but that’s ur team letting you down you can’t fault Messi. What a player
Don’t know if you were old enough to remember it, but 2010/11 was just ridiculous. Scored a crazy amount, imo was more electric as a player, and Barcelona won the league and UCL
@@farouq143 I’m a Liverpool fan too and I was scared to my bones when I saw we drew Barca, then I was certain it was over when Messi dropped that masterclass against us. We didn’t even play poorly in the first leg. He was just that good. Still dumbfounded we came back. Speaks to his brilliance that we didn’t even play bad and he still bossed that whole game.
@@oufc90 oh yeah for sure. He was a monster then too. Such a joy to watch.
When did you start watching football?
18/19 Messi deserved much more, his team mates really him down, remebering that season still makes me want to cry. What a LEGEND
Honestly Suarez was so lazy, if he had the work ethic then he could’ve beat benzema to the ballon d’or
@@Deathmare235exactly
He never had the peak longevity of lewa.
He was lazy fat from 2017 to 2020
@@Deathmare235no way FIFA would give Suarez the Ballon D’or while in the same team as Messi
@@Bofa99 Not only Suarez even neymar could have won it had he stayed at Barca. Messi was looking more for playmaking role from 2018 on wards and didn't wanted to be the main goalscorer of the team. He started playing deep dropping in the midfield but with Coutinho & dembele flopping he had to take it up.
@@Bofa99well the Ballon d’Or community put Messi at 5th in 2018…even though that year was one of Messi’s Best…so yeah Suarez could’ve won the Ballon d’Or if he was efficient..
Messi’s career is somehow like a movie. In his early years around 2006/7 to 2008he relied on his dribbling and pace but his finishing was a bit off as he was growing. Then as he progressed (around 2011/12/13)his finishing became more prolific and he became very deadly infront of goal . Then getting to 2015,he added playmaking to his style and his passing was more amazing whilst being a phenomenal dribbler and a deadly goal scorer but I’d say he was all of those things in 2018/19. He became a complete player around that time. You could even say he reached his peak
Shit man I took that 2018 19 season for granted 😢
With a fairytale ending as well and retiring playing football with his boys. Literal dream career for any footballer
2018/19 Messi might have been his biggest carry job ever but, make no mistake, 2014/15 Messi was the greatest and most consistent individual campaign we’ve ever seen in football.
Most consistent was perhaps 11/12. But 14/15 was something else.
What? His Most consitienst Season was 2010/11 he Never had a Season that had so Many Big Game Display
@@DC-zi6se 12/13 was the most consistent. He literally scored in 22 consecutive league games
what does consistent mean to you guys? most games that he recorded a G/A? or most games where he displayed a dominant performance? Sure, he scored in 22 consecutive games in 12/13, but was his level in those games as dominant as 14/15? Idk man, in 14/15 he had goalless games like vs City (home and away) and Bayern (away) where he was phenomenal. With Messi, his stats are always godly so you can’t just use that metric, you need to have seen the games.
@@chuka6625 His performances that season were also top tier. The problem is that he had injury issues from February or so till the end of the year. He was carrying the team that season. He was incredibly dominant that season though not as complete as 2015 to 2019. His record breaking year was largely because of the 2012/13 season but he was also moving like a man possessed. He slowed down after the injuries and didn't pick up till around the world cup in 2014
My personal favourite is 14/15.
Just cause it was more of a bounce back year. Came back from a down year (from his high standards), and looked explosive and back in shape again. Arguably the fittest he ever was in his career.
Plus he was sharing the goals among to other world class fowards yet still ended up with 80+ g/a from RW. A Joy to watch that year
Kids nowadays who started watching football from 2018 talk of 18/19 season.
@@DC-zi6sebut that season is still very impressive tho
@@I_Play_Games_ did I say it's not.
@@DC-zi6se your comment is so pointless, probably 18 yrs old calling ppl kids lmao
@@I_Play_Games_ bro has no point whatsoever lol
Messi 19/20 and 20/21 are his most underrated versions tbh . The fact that he topped almost every la liga attacking stats is still very crazy to me. Especially in second half of 20/21, He dropped 8/10 almost every matchday
I distinctly remember Messi exploding in the second half of the 20/21 season. Lockdown games. Scoring beauties while weaving magic. His copa del rey final goal was delicious.
Broke 2 Laliga records in 19/20..
Most Assists in a single season and 20+ G+A in a single season..
Ridiculous
As a Barça fan that watched all these seasons live, I'd say 18/19 was the best for me. Scored free kicks like they were penalties and the entire team seemed ro revolve around him
It was a carry job by Messi that season
18/19 is the single most overstated/overhyped season, because kids only know of that and have faint or 0 memories of his earlier Meteoric seasons when he nuked teams singlehandedly. 2009-15.
@@DC-zi6se I've watched the majority of Barcelona games from 2004 to present. Only games I've missed have been because of school/work, most of which I record and rewatch. It wasnt overhyped. I remember.
@@footballhipstertv overhyped not in general.
@@DC-zi6se i respectfully disagree.what I remember most that season is that the seasons before Messi might score one, two maybe three free kicks a season, he'd miss the majority of them, then that season he literally just flicked a switch and started banging them in every game. We also almost went unbeaten that season , only losing one league game
Fun fact (imho): the best (arguably) seasons from Messi in terms of individual performances always come after a disappointing World Cup (2010,2014,2018). Indeed, I’d say that 10/11, 14/15 and 18/19 seasons are his best, even though it’s plenty of Messi’s incredible seasons, it’s easier to mention the seasons where he underperformed (just 1-2 max).
It’s like after world cups disappointments Messi came back angrier and more focused/fit than ever. 2018/19 season was also particular for Messi because it was his first season as the main captain for Barcelona, so he surely took even more responsibilities, you could really see that in his UCL performances, especially against spurs where he was defending like the old days
I’d also add that the period 2016-18 is pretty underrated, his performances were absurd but were outshined by Real Madrid winning multiple champions leagues (despite robbing Bayern Munich twice but nobody says it).
@@MirkoMaverick95 Messi was never the same player after the 16/17 season. His superhuman explosiveness died after that season. He became more of a short steps dribbler, rather than a marauding end to end dribbler which he used to be prior.
@@DC-zi6se yet after 2016, Messi won three straight golden boots and topped every almost la liga attacking stats in 17/18, 18/19,19/20 . Three seasons straight. Do you realise how mad that is ? He did all that while carrying Barca in UCL and league .
Ofc comparatively it's not better than Messi 09-12 but Messi 16-19 was absolute unit
@@vb3399 Messi 08-15 was not human. Messi from 2017-22 was a majestic playmaker and consistent scorer. but 08-15 was not normal.
@@DC-zi6se Imagine if Messi didn't get injured in 2013. He was already on 21 games scoring streak . He could have possibly broke his own record of 91 goals 😭 . 08-15 Messi is the greatest peak of a footballer.
@@vb3399 One of my personal less favourite seasons is 2012/13. Too much of a goalpoaching CF.
2018/19 was the year he reached complete football mastery.
Bro was playing football like an enlightened grandmaster.
2018/2019 Messi was something else, the only truly world class messi season I personally got to see
Yh someone genuinely controlling the tempo of games yet still having the amount of goals he had that year was unreal.
Even If I took the goals away he’d just regress to a better version of David silva. Unreal footballer
You missed out man😂. I’m telling you early messi was something the world has never seen.
Less well rounded. But just alien like acceleration and dribbling
@@hiyuo3920 2010/11 was the best
Doesn't touch 2010/11 and 14/15 versions of him.
14/15 version is the mix of the "mercurial" 10/11 version, "machine" 11/12 version and "magisterial" 18/19 version.
14/15 was ig the "magical" version. Plus the treble to top it all off.
Absolutely ridicilous that people claim that Neymar should've won the Ballon Dor in 2015.
@@AcxD93 14/15 was a ridiculously good season for footy in general. CR7, Ney, Arjen Robben, Eden Hazard all were balling.
@@DC-zi6se we missed the potential greatest UCL final of all time in 14/15 only because Modric got injured and Morata came back to haunt Madrid. An el classico UCL final in 14/15 would've been the golden game of the century had it happened. Both squads meeting at peak!
@@palashrawat401yes and I wanted Messi to humiliate CR7 again in the final 😂
20/21 such an uderrated szn, watched every Barca game and he was absolutely insane. W/o him we would’ve been fighting for relegation. Absolutely insane carryjob
To be honest Messi in the 2012-2013 season was on an absolutely unstoppable run and Barcelona looked like they could've won a treble that season but everything was ruined when the team found out that Tito Vilanova unfortunately had cancer which completely destroyed the mood of the team and on top of that Messi was dealing with hamstring injuries in the most important part of the season.
10/11 Messi dribbling was outrageous and my favorite season but the 18/19 szn is the greatest version of Messi
No it's not.
18/19 competition was so weak. 10/11 is best
10/11 for me, he was so special. genuinely eveyrtime he touched the ball you just knew he was making something out of nothing. and also that legendary UCL campaign
This is the type of GLAZINGGG I can get behind!!
Yes😂
I think his 2011 was his best in terms of Messi being at his best PHYSICALLY. He was fast, impossible to drop, just an insane specimen. But if we're talking about a pound-for-pound the best version of Leo, it has to be his 2019 season. I always felt like his football IQ peaked at that season. Also, one last point, 17/18 was better than the 2013 season. He was injured for a lot of games that season.
2014/15 was all other versions of Messi on steroids. 10/11 as well.
Dude so glad you mentioned that fucking Zaragoza game in 2010. That's the game where I thought for the first time "yup Messi might be the GOAT"
Messi 12/13 should be on S. Individually he was insane.
He stopped dribbling that season, played as an opportunistic centre forward. Only stat-hoggers like that season.
Real Messi fans would never put that season in the same category as 10/11 or 14/15 level.
@@DC-zi6se5g/a against Real Madrid. It was his only season he had „little" dribbles and chances created
@@marekwisniewski5823 yep. Messi is all about dribbles and pings. Goals are 2ndary to him.
@@DC-zi6se who hurt you? you're in every comment thread arguing against others for no reason calling them fake messi fans LOL. Put your arrogance away dude
@@DC-zi6se "real Messi fans" so we can't appreciate goalscoring? He focused on goalscoring yes. And it was an insane season lol, he still provided quality passes and chances tho as seen in the madrid encounters. Dribbled less but that's okay.
Crazy to think that prime's of other amazing footballers like Vini, Griezmann, Palmer, Foden, Rodri, Saka, Son, Lautaro maybe even Haaland would just be on B teir for messi. Like that 13/14 and 19/20 he was easiliy top 2 top 3 in the world, but compared to other seasons, he looked mid. Messi's lowest is the peak of others.
If we also note, 21/22 Messi - his 'lowest' was statistically the same as 23/24 Vini with 38 g/a for both of them. Really puts things into perspective
2010/11 i agree is the best barca team and best messi I've ever seen
Facts
14/15 Messi was the best and tbh, it's not a debate. He still had the dribbling ability of 2011 Messi (The Goal in the Copa Del Rey final vs Bilbao was a joke) and had the creativity of 2018 Messi. Plus the energy to combine perfectly with Suarez and Neymar. It was the greatest version of any footballer ever.
14/15 messi and 18/19 messi were essentially the same players. But mere watching them, you can tell 18/19 messi was better. He took football to a whole other level. He had completed his game. 14/15 messi is his 2nd greatest version behind 18/19
yh true it was his best ever season
@@afolabiajigbolamu8457 18/19 had nowhere near the speed or explosiveness of the 14/15 version. Pure delusion 😂😂😂. He was way more static.
@@afolabiajigbolamu8457 14/15 Messi was 18/19 Messi on Steroids. 😂
@DC-zi6se yes. Because he didn't need it..... 18/19 Messi was more calm and composed. Didn't need that explosiveness to get the job done. He played 10, 8 and 6 position consistently at GOAT LEVEL. Do you know how fifa coded that it. And what edges 18/19 Messi over 14/15 Messi is the level of consistency. 18/19 Messi was HIM ll through the szn. 14/15 Messi didn't reach Messi level till like mid December. You're here talking about speed and explosiveness. 18/19 Messi was basically 14/15 Messi but in zen master level.
14/15 Messi is the goat season, highest peak a player ever reached
For me:
1) 2014/15
2) 2010/11
3) 2018/19
4) 2009/10
5) 2011/12
6) 2008/9
7) 2012/13
8) 2016/17
9) 2015/16
10) 2017/2018
Absolutely perfect top 5!
His 10th best season would be the greatest season ever for most legends. The standards he set are ridiculous
@@Lu149No. Thats not true. Not Messi seasons touch Maradona in Napoli
@@A123-u7z First of all Maradona isn’t the only legend and second Messi is clear of Maradona, you’ve never even seen Maradonas season in full you’re just saying this cos someone told you
@@Lu149 I have watches many matches. Messi is hardly half Maradona. Skill wise what Diego in 80s, R9 in 90s.... But when coming to tough he is just average
12/13 was a joke , a JOKE, 21 consecutive games in la liga with his name on the score sheet....TWENTY ONE, he was on par to equal or break 11/12 record of 73 goals in all comps, biggest 'what if' season
Goalpoaching season BOORING. 10/11, 14/15, 11/12 >>>>
@@DC-zi6se respect goalscoring? Also he wasn't a poacher. He dropped really deep that season lol.
Nothing beats 14/15 the most iconic Lionel Messi ever
Kids: OMG 18/19 is sooooo gooood.... !!! 🤣
Real fans know that "La Pulga" Messi ended with the 17/18 season itself. He became more of a static creator and not that marauding destroyer of defenses he used to be.
@@DC-zi6seYou're clueless and probably watch football through stats.
@@DC-zi6se18/19 is most overrated
@@A123-u7z actually.
messi 08/09 is definitely S tier..it would go as the top 3 seasons in any player's career
I think Hazard 18/19 is one of the most underrated seasons of all time. Most g/a in the league, won the Europa League being named player of the season and got to a Carabao cup final being the best player in that final. One of the biggest carry jobs I've seen and he finished THIRTEENTH in the Ballon Dor. Was minimum top 3
@@RPCentral7 I think you could argue he was a top 3 “performer” I’d say, but a lot of players have been knocked for playing Europa league, that’s the reality unfortunately e.g salah and van dijk was left out of top 30 ballondor partly due to it last year. It was also part due to his awful start in Madrid. Same happend in 14/15 to 15/16. Chelsea were so bad that next season I think he was the only Chelsea ballondor nominee (when e.g Fabregas should’ve easily been there) and he dropped a couple spots.
It’s what happend to Foden this year although ballondor is last season based if you have a poor start for some reason journalists act as if it’s not based on the previous season
It’s nice to see Hazard props. At his best he was top 3 itw and I’m not having no revisionist stat merchants tell me otherwise
@@Lu149 fr he was so good
@@Lu149 Top 3? At best top 5. That same season Messi, Neymar, and VVD were ALL ahead lol.
2012/13 S tier, his most underrated season since it should be arguably his best ever season but it’s never put in those convos
10-11 and 11-12 he was god level the entire season
14-15 and 18-19 he was god level in the second half of the season (first half was A tier in these two seasons).
That is why 10-11 and 11-12 are above in my opinion.
Although 18-19 he carried everything in a away never seen before, which makes it more special than all the others. The UCL loss still hurts
I've been a Barcelona fan since 2006 and I've watched almost every game since 2012
Additionally I usually really respect your opinion so I'm really looking forward to this!!
Edit: okay 2 things
I think it gets forgotten too often that in 12/13 Tito Vilanova(RIP), who's a beloved club legend, got diagnosed with cancer which definitely played a part in Barças lackluster end of that season
And I think his 22/23 season deserves A tier, because his WC campaign was arguably one of the best oat and I'm pretty sure that his playmaking stats were phenomal for PSG
But that's me being a bit nitpicky because I wanted to say something lol. Otherwise, another great video, that's why I rate your opinion rather highly
Please do this for Neymar, i think the fact that his seasons have so much nuance would make it really interesting
17/18
18/19
11/12
16/17
15/16
19/20
14/15
10/11
09/10
20/21
The fact that, that Barcelona team error had the greatest attacking trio and the greatest midfield trio in the history of football, in one period is crazy
Pep Guardiola's Barcelona 2008-12 is the greatest football team of all time. And that 2010-11 Barcelona team was his ultimate masterpiece.
Spain FC basically and they won a wc and two euros😂
@@DC-zi6se definetly
Trio? More like trios? They've had like 5 of the best trios in history while Messi was there. Messi Dinho Eto'o, Messi Henry Eto'o, Messi Henry Ibra, Messi Villa, Pedro, Messi Neymar Suarez, etc
Messi at his peak (18/19) was a one man army and his treble and ucl promise was ruined by that rotten snake dembele. Although dembele fouled di maria in the wc final so some element of football justice there
Damn i miss messi at barca
ayyy good shit. can't wait to see this for other players too!
2010/11 was the best. That Messi was the best player I’ve seen and that Barcelona were the best team I’ve ever seen
I am so glad I started watching messi during 2019 because man was he good
Great Video, thank you! 😇⚽️🇦🇷🐐 I love Messi and I can see that you really have a great ball knowledge. I agree with your list, but for me personally 18/19 was the best and most complete Messi version ever. In addition I would have put 22/23 in A (second tier) just because of his unbelievable performances during the world cup 🏆🇦🇷🐐
Do one for ronaldo aswell🙏🙏 goated video tho👍🫡
No, he's biased
No
Lyes thinking 2014/15 was Messi’s first truly elite playmaking season just sums up why EA sports never gave him over 84 passing all those years lol
I’d argue 21/22 in D-tier is harsh. I’m not saying it’s an all timer or anything, 6 goals is horrible, sure. But I think a lot of people bury that season under a pile of criticism without any context, and him winning the BO over Lewa soured a lot of people before the season even properly started. Pochettino having him on touch line winger duties at 34 is criminal, and really explains why he didn’t replicate his goal scoring form. But people forget he was arguably one of the best players in the UCL groups, he dragged that PSG team to the KOs with that performance at home against Man City, one of his most underrated goals (tho he was eventually disappointing against Madrid in the RO16). His assists numbers were still amongst the best in Europe that season, and would’ve been off the charts if not for Mbappé (despite being at his peak) squandering a ridiculous amount of chances. C-tier season imo, it just can’t be in the bottom tier with pre-retirement and teenage Messi.
Should be F tier by his standards. Not harsh at all.
Remember we are ranking Messi by MESSI standards,us as messi fans will understand context but to the general public it looks different.22/23 is one of his best seasons for me excluding the world cup but some people see it different just because he was in a discombobulated PSG side that was too attacker heavy with a bad defense and unstable midfield.
It's Messi standards, Ballon d'Or performance for other player is average performance for Messi
Love these tier lists Lyes! And as a Barca fan it is lovely to honour the GOAT, something that somehow doesn't happen enough haha. Keep up the great work!
18/19 messi makes me emotional, that was out of this world 🌎🌎🌎
18/19 bro almost won barca a TREBLE 💀 that is unheard of for how bad the overall team actually was. I’d prob agree with most these rankings but remember, Messi’s standards are so high that is why he has some seasons in D B and A. Those seasons in S tier are the best seasons in football history just from the eye test standpoint .
Barca only won la liga in 2018/19, but they won la liga and UCL in 2010/11. Not sure if you’re old enough to remember it, but imo 2010/11 is definitely the best
But did they? No 2011 Messi was better
18/19 is good for kids who didn't witness 14/15 or 10/11.
@LM10-s1r I’m not saying what Messi is better than the other. I’m saying that 2018/2019 Barca team was shit, and Messi almost solo’d them to a treble lmfao. Messi under Pep was his best years +2015.
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For me the stark difference in the careers of Messi & Yamal, and the only thing that worries me about Yamal’s ceiling, is that Messi had so many talents to learn from. He took from xavi, Iniesta, zlatan, Henry, DINHO, and other world class, generational players. I truly believe that aided in Messi becoming the player he did. Who does Yamine have to learn from besides Lewandowski?
The "Messi learned from Ronaldinho" thing is getting boring now. Messi was always special. He would've achieved this level whether he played with these players or not. As for Yamal, I honestly don't think he's anywhere near messi in terms of natural ability. Yamals playmaking is insane at this age and is his best asset but I just don't see him scoring the amount of goals or anywhere near the amount that Messi did. Messi could do everything (create, score and dribble at an incredible level) even at a young age. Yamal is great but I honestly just think reaching Messi's individual level is virtually impossible. Yamals finishing is very bad as well. I know he can work on that but still....
You must not have seen 8 year old Messi bruh, and he was still cooking in La masia too, Ronaldinho gave him confidence that’s all
18/19 Messi 🔥
18/19 season was an absolute joke. One game away from an invincible league and a treble. All crumbled in 1 week against 5-4 Levante where Coutinho scored a hat trick and the 2nd leg against Liverpool. The most heart breaking week as a Barcelona fan for me.
One game away from an invincible league and a treble?
Barcelona lost 3 league games
Barcelona lost in the Copa Del Rey final
Barcelona lost in the UCL semi final
the Levante game was in 17/18
@@oufc90 ok thats my bad I mixed up the 2 seasons of the invincible league season. Treble was really close tho. That week is true where they rested the starters and lost 5-4 while I was also watching Liverpool during that time as Origi scored against NewCastle before the Barcelona game. My bad tho definitely not an invincible season
Nope just fact checked the 5-4 was also in 17/18 season
Yea Im just waffling
wrong lesgur season
Best part of the week😮💨🔥
2018/19 season Messi is the most complete player in the football history ❤
Personally I think 14/15 was slightly better than 18/19 overall. but I think that technically he was at his best in 18/19
36:24 I fw u too much for saying that 🔥 more people need to admit it like idgaf mbappe and vini are not better than Messi rn it only looks like it bc Messi is in miami and doesn’t care but if he was on Barca rn he would be better
Your ball knowledge is exquisite Lyes. Excellent video👍
14/15 and 18/19 are incredible seasons but 09/10 was it for me. That season Zlatan realized there was big difference between world class and Messi class
14/15 and 10/11>>>>18/19
What does that comment about Zlatan even mean? It makes no sense.
@@DC-zi6se istg at the rate your going your just gonna reply this say shit under every single comment there is on this video. And youre wrong!! Who hurt you?
@@afolabiajigbolamu8457Dude can't sleep at night man 😂. His opinion is the only one that matters. 18/19 was the most complete and the best version of Messi.
@PerfectSamurai that's what I've been trying to tell him. 18/19 messi was 14/15 messi. Except that he elevated his game. I been trying to tell him but he's too stubborn
The best version of Messi for me is easily 2014/15. he was a more mature version of 2010/11 Messi
I love this format brother and especially this vid, have never seen this before and really enjoy it👊🏼
Dont get fooled a „D“ Season from Messi is still ja S+ for any Other Player
Messi has a lotta ways he can benefit from his teammates, he can feed poachers, combine with midfielders, synchronise with either fullback (Alves/Alba) and more.
Bartomeu destroyed the team building so much that they'd probably not make top 4 without Messi
Brand deals on the second channel 🥶 2025 bros getting the bag
This is the one I’ve been waiting for ❤
What was a crazy realization at the time in 2018/19 was that Barca was 3 games away from a treble right before anfield. It was all Messi.
Even 21/22 and 2024 mls messi is like an A gy general standards. All C and above are S for most. And Messi's S is like X or something, hes an absolute glitch
12/13 is easily tier 1
crazy how you could argue that in 2024 Messi is the best player in the world and it is in D tier - just shows how many levels above everyone Messi is
2024 Messi is not the best player in the world I’m sorry
in my opinion 14/15 is the perfect combination of why 10/11 and 18/19 are great respectively. Still younger and insanely qick and dangerous on the ball like 10/11 but also more composed and arguably a better playmaker like in 18/19. For me 14/15 is messis best ever season when accounting for all aspects of his game.
2012-2013 messi dersved to be s tier
My fav version of Messi is 20/21 because no one talking about that version in that time he was alone tho and he Also drop the best Copa America campaign Ever
I started really watching football as a Barca fan around 2012, and even though I watched Messi in 2012, I still think his best version was 2019
17/18 season rivals 18/19 so it has to be in “S”
20/21 season delivered Copa America impressively deserves to go a level up into “A”
16/17 season Messi’s most memorable El Clásico fixture at the Santiago Bernabéu with 37 La Liga goals in just 34 appearances = “S”
22/23 deserves an A
Personally I’d put 21/22 Messi at C, like a soft C. He still put up numbers in assists. It’s just that generally he wasn’t up to his own standards.
My fav was definitely 14/15 Messi, he just seemed inevitable. Every game was like a show, too easy- Like "what type of dribbles ; and how many goals, assist will he and S-N score today, lol". 18/19 was more stressful, he was carrying the team and his performances were probable greater, but 14/15 was better.
I think 11/12 is the best messi version then late 14/15 he was just unstoppable.
Messi's so far ahead that even a bad season for him in his prime was a better season than 99% of footaballers in their whole career
18/19 Messi got me looking forward to watching Barcelona more than the team I support
Best 3 seasons without a doubt are the 11/12 14/15 and 18/19 seasons
THE GOAT ranking the GOAT👌
Messi 18/19 needs his own tier he was just that good
Best 18 19
Unmatched 2009 - 12
Complete 2014 - 15
Hardest 2016 - 18 ( 1 man team )
Career defining 2022 -23 ( most important)
My Top 5..
1. 2014/15
2. 2010/11
3. 2011/12
4. 2018/19
5. 2012/13
Ronaldo next but I personally think this Messi list is perfect
I done care what you list is 18/19 is easily top 3 no debate, bro was bonkers that season
Football is not the same about him😢 38:00
Without knowing his tear list, season 2010/11 was the most feared and unstoppable version of Messi, he cost havic to whole defenses.
Like a famous commentator said " Defenses can't live with him, we cannot live without him" ❤
18/19 Messi is my favorite version of Messi
18/19 was crazzzzy asf 🐐🐐
he was doing everything literarily everything just 2 games away from another treble 🤐🤐🙏🙏
10/11 bar none, was officially the greatest of all time in history that season
Tbh 2020/21 Messi should be A same for 22/23 as a Ronaldo fan i love This man and tbh Ronaldo is my favourite player but Messi is the player which i most enjoyed the most he's the Best player ever played football
18/19 in A as barca bottled the ucl that year
The Goat ❤
Barca lost 2019 copa del rey final to Valencia but i think if that final was played before the anfield heartbrake they would probably have won
Most of US watch all Messi career ,and to be honest i have no idea how to rank his seasons. At 2010 he was already being compare to pele and Maradona, not Cristiano.
2011 Final.
@@DC-zi6seNo, he was already compared to the all time greats by 2009-2010.
@@nikosofidemporas 2011 UCL Final was THE game
Can you do this for other players as well? I think a ranking of Zlatans seasons would be great since he has so many different versions
Do not get ot twisted that 11/12 Barcelona was by far the greatest play style of absolute dominance ever, they just lost in crucial moments.
dont stop making tierlists you are VERY good at making them
Cool vid homie..u forgot to mention his first copa America win back in 2021 .!!
Imagine being so great that people make a tier list about your greatness.
He’s still the best itw it’s insane
2018/19 Messi is just God of football personified, the level of play that Messi displayed both in the league and Champions league is not conceivable for sane human being. The dribbles, the passes, the long range goals and the free-kicks you say it and Messi displays it at the level whose pinnacle is yet to be replicated by any other player. Also, the single-handed demolishion of ManU and Tottenham in the Chanpions league is yet to be replicated. If I have to put it in one sentence, it would be " GOD level of football".