I own same Sansui and Marantz 2252b, both work on ar15 speakers. Sansui is cleaner and better in middrange and treble, but Marantz is killer on bass and dynamic. Classical and jazz music I prefer on Sansui, but rockandroll on Marantz. Best wishes!
I prefer the Sansui (#1) much more. It was clearer, had more mids, more detail retrieval, more fine texture of instruments, and more ambiance and natural decay of notes. With the Marantz, (#2), the mids sounded recessed, less detailed, less open, and the bass tonality sounded bad. The bass sounded too warm and made the speakers sound like wooly-sounding boxes. If it were me, I might adjust the bass up on the Sansui a little, but other than that, the Sansui was the winner for me.
The Sansui's mids are warm and enjoyable, but to the point where they dominate the sound. The Marantz feel more controlled and precise, but comparatively lacks the wow effect. Overall I prefer the Sansui, but I wonder if I wouldn't prefer the Marantz for long listening sessions.
Always interesting those tests! I know Sansui as open in the midrange, lots of details, sometimes maybe too much midrange. Don't know Marantz as well, but still I was right about Sansui was the "1" in the test. Both are good, but maybe the Marantz is too much "loudness sound", compared to the Sansui. I listened to this over a NAD D3045, and a pair of Klipsch RB 52 - (that's my PC-speaker setup)
Like usual, the Marantz, even through TH-cam, has much more clarity in the bass and mid-bass range, while having extremely good mids and highs... It does sound like the Sansui has the treble turned up some but I'm probably wrong. They both sound fantastic in their own way and I would happily choose either of them. My favorite would have to be the Marantz, though. Great comparison, Andrew! Cheers and happy new year :)
..I thinks it's pretty clear as well... Like most things, it's down to taste. For my own, the Marantz seems to "color" or mute instrument-sound when played back to my ears --> when I'm listening to music I want to hear as high, medium or low that instrument creates its sound. It also seems to nearly make some frequencies disappear?; maybe this is what those who own Marantz amps prefer while describing the sound as "warm" I'd prefer accurate and the Sansui to me is "clearly" more accurate. Similar to when a monitor is calibrated to ISF spec and at first, the picture may seem softer but in actuality it's simply more accurate in hue, color temp, sharpness etc. and the user is used to seeing color/hue really bright and contrast/sharpness really high. Tony btw, i used a few other soundest videos you created to decide on and make the purchase of my Sansui - was looking for various Marantz, Pioneer (I own one too) receivers. In my real-life testing, like these videos, the sound reproduced in comparison to your videos are completely similar in results. Thanks for the great videos!
I will take number two to be my home unit.... number one is a little bit compressed electrically, has more apparent treble volume due to generation of harmonics..sound is more distorted, more unrealistic, but has some charm that attracts the vast majority of audiophiles.... i will keep number two to myself without any doubt...number two, in my opinion is vastly superior unit.
I own a 2238b. I’ve actually owned 4 or 5. I always go back to that one for some reason. The sound does it for me. I like my lows a little heavier. #1 sounds good too me but it sounds a little shallow. There are aspects that I like on #1 over #2 but my ears like #2 more. I would have to say #2 is the 2238b.
@@vintagestereo Yes it does. I will keep the one I own now. I really wish I did not let my Marantz 6300 turntable go. I will not likely find one remotely close to what I originally paid for it. They look great together.
You should setup a poll on these videos. It is really easy to do in the creator studio. There are videos on TH-cam on how to do it. As far as the test goes, Sansui has more emphasis on mids. That is really the only difference I can tell between the two of these. It's like Sansui designed the mid circuit to always be at +5 instead of flat to give the receiver more clarity.
@@ravithompson1082 it is mate. Its easy as that. It all depends on your ear. Why you think the market is here for? Fussy fussy ears moaning about this beat that beat. This mid time this trumpet or whatever sounds better this way. Buy a nice CD player from Marantz, a nice amp, come nice speakers and listen to CD the artist and producer intended for you to hear it. Don't forget your set up is nowhere near the £100' s of thousands Of a recording studio where the mix it and finalise it in a CD. It a vinyl.
@@ravithompson1082 Normally what u play back from a cd at pre set sound is what you're supposed to be listening at. Its these fussy "audiophilles" that makes it complicated. Honestly treble mid way or 3/4 way down and the bass 3/4 up is the sweet spot. The vocals are clear....the mids are nice and u get the sweet bass elevated if u are in to bass. Otherwise leave it as middle way normal. I also like to switch my am in to "hall" mode so everything echos. It sometimes with certain tracks like hip hop music makes u feel like your listening to a concert. Its a whole different experience just for fun. I do this with a lot of 2pac songs. Try it.
Marantz has the looks the Sansui has the sound! I have had many vintage receivers including top of the line from each manufacturer and my favorite is Sansui. Marantz tried to produce tube sound which didn't work very well in those days with the components they had. Marantz sound is smooth but lacks detail and clarity in my opinion. Once I went to commercial seperates not to break bank it was game over for all of the receivers. I felt bad for wasting so much time and money dabbling with vintage receivers after I discovered noticeable sonic advantages of separate power amps and preamps. It was an interesting journey though. I hope you can learn something from me and save yourself the journey unless that's what you are looking for. We only have so much time in this dimension, use it wisely! Lol, Cheers!
they are pretty close the Sansui does seem to have a higher pitch to it...but you know I'm all about the Marantz...but without a doubt they both are good to my ear compared to what you would buy today. today's audio equipment is garbage unless you spend $10,000. nice video again I love your videos brother happy new year
It seems to me that the sound levels are NOT perfectly matched. The Sansui is LOUDER, and as psycho-acoustical testing shows, the average listener will usually pick or prefer the LOUDER sounding piece. The Sansui sounds a little cleaner or more detailed but it is also more trebly as a result. I am NOT ready to call this test yet. Marantz units typically have a "darker" sound, a softer sound, and it is sometimes necessary to boost the treble. Marantz units also have a strange "synergy" with some speakers that highlight their strengths better. One such speaker is the Polk Monitor series from the late ''70s and early '80s. I have a Marantz 2265 which is to die for with a set of Polk Monitor 10As. The other thing that is funny is that Sansuis have MORE than one sound signature. Your unit sounds more like a G series. Whereas the much earlier 5000A sounds a little closer to a Marantz, and then there is the vaunted Sansui AU-717 integrated (dual power supply, four large filter caps, etc.) People rave about the 717, yet it is a tad "dark", certainly much darker than the Sansui TA-500! But that 717 sound has also been described as very pleasing, musical and tube-like! So what do you think? I suspect that the Magnat speakers you are using are a little HOT up top and accentuated by the Sansui, such a sound can get quite FATIGUING after a number of hours. And, I feel it probably does. Whereas you can listen to a Marantz forever-precisely because it does roll off the top end some! Potato, PO TATO? lol
The difference is like night and day .. Sansui more clear detail open .. but I think a little harsh .. what about akai aa 1030 ? I found one good price ..
The Sansui sounds a bit louder and sometimes harsh. The Marantz is more balanced but not as spectacular like the Sansui. For listening the whole day I would take the Marantz.
What music are you playing? I have always liked Sansuis. The Marantz sound has something lacking compared to the Sansui. AUd11ii, AU719 with TU 719, AU 9500 with TU 9500
The music is copyright free music you can find on this paghe of youtube: th-cam.com/users/audiolibrarymusic the songs are hear the noise not for nothing the wrong all silent partners from youtube
And even live, the test will only have value if a good signal source is used. At least a good CD or SACD Player. Analog source would be ideal. Using a computer or worse, such as a cell phone or MP3 player, also totally compromises any subjective test, given the poor sonic quality of these devices.
Sansui is more clear and bright, Marantz more of a warmer sound. sansui wins through video. Hard to tell fully unless you're actually there to feel the music in person maybe different opinion as sansui might sound too bright and not enough punch in person.
hey! maybe any1 can help me... i got this marantz 2238 from my father and want to sell it...what would be a fair price ?! (1 light in the display is broken and the right channel doesnt work atm) THANK YOU
Crummy video !! showing a wall as 1 & disconnected reel to reel and receiver on floor as 2. Should be showing the receiver's that are putting out sound, that would make sense.
I have this two units and i test it on rogers ls 2 speakers and on jbl l80 t and the result depend on what kind of music is played For rock, pop, funk ,rap : marantz win , on jazz , classic, and others smooth music : the sansui win.
This is a joke. Only live listening has any value. In addition to microphone pickup, converted to digital and then to mp3's trash, transmitted over the internet with compression, amplified by portable radio circuits from computer junk boxes and even more trash speakers, these are two low-quality receivers, Being among the cheapest of these factories .. And there are people who have the petulance to say that noticed difference in the separation between channels. Unbelievable how ignorant people are in audio and electronics.
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I own same Sansui and Marantz 2252b, both work on ar15 speakers. Sansui is cleaner and better in middrange and treble, but Marantz is killer on bass and dynamic. Classical and jazz music I prefer on Sansui, but rockandroll on Marantz.
Best wishes!
I prefer the Sansui (#1) much more. It was clearer, had more mids, more detail retrieval, more fine texture of instruments, and more ambiance and natural decay of notes. With the Marantz, (#2), the mids sounded recessed, less detailed, less open, and the bass tonality sounded bad. The bass sounded too warm and made the speakers sound like wooly-sounding boxes. If it were me, I might adjust the bass up on the Sansui a little, but other than that, the Sansui was the winner for me.
Even. Though I’ve owned my Marantz 2238 for over 50 years listening to this comparison the Marantz is just a warmer rendition!
The Sansui's mids are warm and enjoyable, but to the point where they dominate the sound. The Marantz feel more controlled and precise, but comparatively lacks the wow effect. Overall I prefer the Sansui, but I wonder if I wouldn't prefer the Marantz for long listening sessions.
Always interesting those tests!
I know Sansui as open in the midrange, lots of details, sometimes maybe too much midrange. Don't know Marantz as well, but still I was right about Sansui was the "1" in the test.
Both are good, but maybe the Marantz is too much "loudness sound", compared to the Sansui.
I listened to this over a NAD D3045, and a pair of Klipsch RB 52 - (that's my PC-speaker setup)
I knew 1 was Sansui , I have Sansui G6000 and in my opinion it is very good model. Good test thank you.
Like usual, the Marantz, even through TH-cam, has much more clarity in the bass and mid-bass range, while having extremely good mids and highs... It does sound like the Sansui has the treble turned up some but I'm probably wrong. They both sound fantastic in their own way and I would happily choose either of them. My favorite would have to be the Marantz, though. Great comparison, Andrew! Cheers and happy new year :)
..I thinks it's pretty clear as well...
Like most things, it's down to taste. For my own, the Marantz seems to "color" or mute instrument-sound when played back to my ears --> when I'm listening to music I want to hear as high, medium or low that instrument creates its sound. It also seems to nearly make some frequencies disappear?; maybe this is what those who own Marantz amps prefer while describing the sound as "warm" I'd prefer accurate and the Sansui to me is "clearly" more accurate. Similar to when a monitor is calibrated to ISF spec and at first, the picture may seem softer but in actuality it's simply more accurate in hue, color temp, sharpness etc. and the user is used to seeing color/hue really bright and contrast/sharpness really high.
Tony btw, i used a few other soundest videos you created to decide on and make the purchase of my Sansui - was looking for various Marantz, Pioneer (I own one too) receivers. In my real-life testing, like these videos, the sound reproduced in comparison to your videos are completely similar in results. Thanks for the great videos!
I will take number two to be my home unit.... number one is a little bit compressed electrically, has more apparent treble volume due to generation of harmonics..sound is more distorted, more unrealistic, but has some charm that attracts the vast majority of audiophiles.... i will keep number two to myself without any doubt...number two, in my opinion is vastly superior unit.
Carlos Mergulhão I''m agree with mister Carlos! I'm a Marantz 2216b owner and know it's sound signature, like as bold sound.
Number 1 i love the sound.
I own a 2238b. I’ve actually owned 4 or 5. I always go back to that one for some reason. The sound does it for me. I like my lows a little heavier. #1 sounds good too me but it sounds a little shallow. There are aspects that I like on #1 over #2 but my ears like #2 more. I would have to say #2 is the 2238b.
because the 2238 just sound beautiful
@@vintagestereo Yes it does. I will keep the one I own now. I really wish I did not let my Marantz 6300 turntable go. I will not likely find one remotely close to what I originally paid for it. They look great together.
You should setup a poll on these videos. It is really easy to do in the creator studio. There are videos on TH-cam on how to do it. As far as the test goes, Sansui has more emphasis on mids. That is really the only difference I can tell between the two of these. It's like Sansui designed the mid circuit to always be at +5 instead of flat to give the receiver more clarity.
so why not buy a cheaper amp n set it at +5 to give it the same sort of sound?
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@@thetruth2929 if hi fi was that easy
@@ravithompson1082 it is mate. Its easy as that. It all depends on your ear. Why you think the market is here for? Fussy fussy ears moaning about this beat that beat. This mid time this trumpet or whatever sounds better this way. Buy a nice CD player from Marantz, a nice amp, come nice speakers and listen to CD the artist and producer intended for you to hear it. Don't forget your set up is nowhere near the £100' s of thousands Of a recording studio where the mix it and finalise it in a CD. It a vinyl.
@@ravithompson1082 Normally what u play back from a cd at pre set sound is what you're supposed to be listening at. Its these fussy "audiophilles" that makes it complicated. Honestly treble mid way or 3/4 way down and the bass 3/4 up is the sweet spot. The vocals are clear....the mids are nice and u get the sweet bass elevated if u are in to bass. Otherwise leave it as middle way normal. I also like to switch my am in to "hall" mode so everything echos. It sometimes with certain tracks like hip hop music makes u feel like your listening to a concert. Its a whole different experience just for fun. I do this with a lot of 2pac songs. Try it.
No. 1 obviously has more presence......percussion is sharper too. No. 2 seemed a tad muddy in the mid range.
The 1/8" speaker on my cell phone that has a frequency response of 500-4000hz +/- 10db says that #1 is the winner.
Nice but I gotta be there for this.
Just found your video! Sansui more clean and Marantz more bottom end. Hope you are still doing videos - I will check.
Marantz has the looks the Sansui has the sound! I have had many vintage receivers including top of the line from each manufacturer and my favorite is Sansui. Marantz tried to produce tube sound which didn't work very well in those days with the components they had. Marantz sound is smooth but lacks detail and clarity in my opinion. Once I went to commercial seperates not to break bank it was game over for all of the receivers. I felt bad for wasting so much time and money dabbling with vintage receivers after I discovered noticeable sonic advantages of separate power amps and preamps. It was an interesting journey though. I hope you can learn something from me and save yourself the journey unless that's what you are looking for. We only have so much time in this dimension, use it wisely! Lol, Cheers!
I recently also bought more expensive seperates..vintage receivers are to expensive now
fantastic comment
Marantz has a higher frequency response , however sounds shrill.
they are pretty close the Sansui does seem to have a higher pitch to it...but you know I'm all about the Marantz...but without a doubt they both are good to my ear compared to what you would buy today. today's audio equipment is garbage unless you spend $10,000. nice video again I love your videos brother happy new year
i definitely prefer No 1 its a much more open sound
It seems to me that the sound levels are NOT perfectly matched. The Sansui is LOUDER, and as psycho-acoustical testing shows, the average listener will usually pick or prefer the LOUDER sounding piece.
The Sansui sounds a little cleaner or more detailed but it is also more trebly as a result. I am NOT ready to call this test yet.
Marantz units typically have a "darker" sound, a softer sound, and it is sometimes necessary to boost the treble.
Marantz units also have a strange "synergy" with some speakers that highlight their strengths better. One such speaker is the Polk Monitor series from the late ''70s and early '80s. I have a Marantz 2265 which is to die for with a set of Polk Monitor 10As.
The other thing that is funny is that Sansuis have MORE than one sound signature. Your unit sounds more like a G series. Whereas the much earlier 5000A sounds a little closer to a Marantz, and then there is the vaunted Sansui AU-717 integrated (dual power supply, four large filter caps, etc.) People rave about the 717, yet it is a tad "dark", certainly much darker than the Sansui TA-500! But that 717 sound has also been described as very pleasing, musical and tube-like!
So what do you think? I suspect that the Magnat speakers you are using are a little HOT up top and accentuated by the Sansui, such a sound can get quite FATIGUING after a number of hours. And, I feel it probably does. Whereas you can listen to a Marantz forever-precisely because it does roll off the top end some!
Potato, PO TATO? lol
which speakers were used ? That can explain everything Sinergy is most important thing in hifi.
The difference is like night and day .. Sansui more clear detail open .. but I think a little harsh .. what about akai aa 1030 ? I found one good price ..
The Sansui sounds a bit louder and sometimes harsh. The Marantz is more balanced but not as spectacular like the Sansui. For listening the whole day I would take the Marantz.
i prefer 1 but you should test them on same spl level if your mic could do that
Same pair of speakers? How did you do this test? Some kind of switchbox between the amplifiers and speakers? (homemade?)
Well being how the Marantz was never powered up the Sansui is the winner and sounds beautiful in my book.
I prefer No.2, I felt over damping in low and artificial mid range raise with No.1.
I prefer 1, it has more mids.
1. harder sound but also more reveiling,open but not bright.2.more on softer sound also accurate but somehow silky smooth.I prefer 1.
What music are you playing? I have always liked Sansuis. The Marantz sound has something lacking compared to the Sansui. AUd11ii, AU719 with TU 719, AU 9500 with TU 9500
1 is more in your face digital sounding. 2 is more layed back & analogue. great music who is that?
The music is copyright free music you can find on this paghe of youtube: th-cam.com/users/audiolibrarymusic
the songs are
hear the noise
not for nothing
the wrong
all silent partners from youtube
Tony, very good post just like i just thinking, I am going to pick up one Sansui TA500 to play classical music on Monday.
although now that i am second thinking number 1 can be tiring due to over emphasizing high notes
gotta give the sansui the edge on this one.
And even live, the test will only have value if a good signal source is used. At least a good CD or SACD Player. Analog source would be ideal.
Using a computer or worse, such as a cell phone or MP3 player, also totally compromises any subjective test, given the poor sonic quality of these devices.
number 1 and Happy new year
happy new year to
Sansui for sure!
Good
Sansui is more clear and bright, Marantz more of a warmer sound. sansui wins through video. Hard to tell fully unless you're actually there to feel the music in person maybe different opinion as sansui might sound too bright and not enough punch in person.
nummer twee,duidelijk het warme geluid van de marantz...ja ik houd daar nu eenmaal van.Heb zelf de 2238b, de 5010 en een 6100
Yamaha vs Marantz , when?
Le choix des musiques est à revoir surtout pour des sensui
i would like to ask your opinion on some vintage speakers i have found. r u on fb?
facebook is san sui
+vintage stereo sorry i cant find you as san sui. can u send me a msg at fb? i am george ele (ucl) thanks
George Smith i can't find you: facebook.com/san.sui.7300
hey! maybe any1 can help me... i got this marantz 2238 from my father and want to sell it...what would be a fair price ?! (1 light in the display is broken and the right channel doesnt work atm) THANK YOU
My vintage yama rxv1900 sound better ✌️
sansui TA500 the best.
Marantz lacks just a bit of depth.
I picked #1, the Sansui. I just bought a 1975 Sansui AU 7700 and I am amazed how deep the sound is.
Sansui always win over marantz, not exception here
Crummy video !! showing a wall as 1 & disconnected reel to reel and receiver on floor as 2. Should be showing the receiver's that are putting out sound, that would make sense.
Sansui is the best
+++++Sansui DC Integrated Tuner Amplifier TA-500 +++++
1 more clear 2 sound nice 2
1 for shure...
Sansui
Sansui is better
here sansui win but against the marantz 2238 BL not sure
I have this two units and i test it on rogers ls 2 speakers and on jbl l80 t and the result depend on what kind of music is played
For rock, pop, funk ,rap : marantz win , on jazz , classic, and others smooth music : the sansui win.
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This is a joke. Only live listening has any value. In addition to microphone pickup, converted to digital and then to mp3's trash, transmitted over the internet with compression, amplified by portable radio circuits from computer junk boxes and even more trash speakers, these are two low-quality receivers, Being among the cheapest of these factories .. And there are people who have the petulance to say that noticed difference in the separation between channels. Unbelievable how ignorant people are in audio and electronics.
Thanks for the test. I'm a beginner and this video is very positive to know better the details of sounds signature. Thanks!!!!!!!!!
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1. harder sound but also more reveiling,open but not bright.2.more on softer sound also accurate but somehow silky smooth.I prefer 1.
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Sansui