I wonder if the larger winter clothing conglomerates prefer not to market this as it would rather make the same expensive garments to keep margins steady
Gotta say, didnt think id start my morning off seeing you in some hot topic fishnet looking gear. I think you pushed me to give it a try, but im leaving the dark eyeliner at home.
Dark eyeliner reduces glare from the snow and increases your perceived threat level to bears. Studded collars and belts also make you a less appealing meal for a bear or mountain lion. Large baggy pants have more storage options while skinny jeans make you more aerodynamic.
😂😂😂😂welcome to the reinvention of the wheel!!! Wool mesh next to skin, under a boiled wool garment with a waxed canvas shell was the configuration we wore in the days before synthetic fills. The boiled wool slowed heat transfer and kept the air space in the mesh warm from body heat. The air gap also reduced the conductive cooling that would come from a sweat soaked layer against the skin. The moisture could be from external infiltration as well, from rain or falling into water. That air gap is valuable but if you carry a heavy pack, you will want padding at the pressure points of shoulders or the mesh will grate at your skin. We would use a pair of wool socks hanging across shoulders, under the mesh and rotate them with the ones in our boots to dry. An alternate would be a thin dish cloth that could be quickly dryed by a fire then used in hygene routines. Silk next to skin under the mesh was also another very good configuration as it dryed quickly just from body heat while reducing friction of the mesh against skin. Managing body temperature, preventing heat loss and hypothermia is the key to both comfort and survival! And should you encounter fire, wool is better than synthetics!
Chafing was what I wondered about, so thank you for this comment. How is the mesh against a bare chest? I wonder if this would be a good garment for my husband for truck loading and unloading during winter.
@thewaka the magic depends on what it is layered with. How you configure your layers depends on your activity level and physiology. Does your husband sweat during this and what does he normally wear. I feel that mesh under a light fleece would be better than any other undergarment with maybe the exception of silk. Mesh under a hoodie could also reduce the chill once he stops by keeping the damp cloth off his skin. The principle here is that the mesh air gap reduces sweat by reducing skin contact. Body heat radiates away to achieve temperature regulation without triggering evaporation/sweat. However, the heat accumulates within the mesh air gap and is retained by the next outer layer. That could be many things as suitable, depending on the weather and activity.
My son served a year in the Norwegian Air Force as a guard for the F-35 squadron. They would do several days training out in the deep woods in -20c temps. They used Brynje wool net base layers. My wife, his mother, used wool net back in the 80’s as a Red Cross volunteer out in -40 temps. It works. It has for ages. Use it.
I still have my fishnet underwear from when I worked in the bush in the 1970s to 1980s. I remember my Father wearing it in the 1950s and 60s. It was very popular with outdoor workers in Canada until aggressive marketing of fake moisture control fabrics like Gortex, killed it.
The mesh should do a nice job of making pockets of air for insulation, kinda like bubble wrap. If not covered it could help with cooling, better that a solid fabric.
Working class men in the U.K. used string vests for warm sweat free work in ironworks, factories, ports, clay factories, auto factories, etc. from the 1960s on. You can buy them at about half the U.K. grocery stores today in poor neighborhoods.
In Scotland this was commonly known as the "String vest" made from cotton and worn daily under every day garments up to about the 1980- 1990's, as the functionality of it has been lost amongst the "Unfashionable" trend these days.
Yeah, we had these in the 1970's, when I lived in Delaware. We knew that this would keep you very warm when layered with other clothing. It also krpt you cool in the spring and Summer without layering. Then you couldn't find them anywhere.
my mum had us wear fishnet stockings for skiing when I was a kid,,,still use them today as long johns make you cook......its a hidden secret ive kept away from my buddies but always used on the slopes lol
I've used these for a little bit in the military. It's tough get things to breath under plates while moving through mountains but this has helped a ton.
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Yeap, used to be a standard issue in the Finnish army. It’s been a while, maybe they still use it.
Yup. I don't mind layering. It's that "get it off me" feeling from the skin being unable to breathe that constantly makes me uncomfortable. That feeling is always there.
@Brewtuhl as a Special Forces guy before synthetics, wool mesh was a regular item. It also works in the tropics to keep wet cloth off the skin and aid ventilation. Synthetics work well until you come in contact with fire.
My Grandad was an electrician that worked on the Alaskan oil pipe line. He used to talk about wearing mesh, but I did not understand what he was talking about until now. Thanks.
What's old is new again. I did not realize that fishnet base layers were back in style. I have been wearing them for forty years, and the only place I could find them being sold was through Wiggy's. Good to know that in the future there may be more options available.
This is the most entertaining video I've seen all week, and it's even informative! I have a mountain cabin at a small downhill and cross-country ski area in southern Norway, but only visit in the summertime. It's always the highlight of my year.
Started using Brynje mesh shirts for mt biking a bit over a year ago. Absolutely love 'em. The warmth is there when its cold, but they also stay comfy even when its warmer temps (50-60F). Great for the 'cool' weather, as I describe it acting as temperature moderation. I may be a bit warm on the climbs, even with outer layers venting, but when I stop or get to the top, I don't have the wet, clammy, and clingy base layer chilling me down. Which is even more noticeable when you start going back down right away; close up the outer layers and I may be a bit cool, but not being chilled is wonderful.
Another MTBer here and I swear by these layers. To me, they aren't subjectively any warmer than other base layers at rest, but I stay so much drier that the warmth gain is fantastic. I wonder if this is a part of the 4-6 times warmer claim by Brynje. I usually ride with a very light summer layer over the mesh.
Never had that problem with just wool - wool stays warm when it's wet ... I never noticed how soaked with sweat I was till I got home and stripped everything off lol
Having just switched over this week I can say I am impressed. Picked up a very basic polyester long sleeved fishnet top for around $20. Using only that as a base layer, 1/4 zip waffletop, and a Goretex shell I went on a 10 mile hump (20°F) with a 25lb pack to prove them wrong, but it performed flawlessly. Never before have I gone on a hike (with a pack) and have my back feel completely dry. The ability to move moisture and thereby regulating temperature is a trip, literally. 😁🤘😎
try a knit wool sweater as your second layer instead of the waffle top. (blue german military surplus sweater) I climb cell towers and in the winter its tricky because the climb up produces a ton of heat. Then you're stuck up there with the 2x cold wind blowing. I climb up with all the leg and arm zips open, let the wind dry out and cool the body temp down to normal then close all the zips.
This has been used in Norway for generations, both in the armed forces and amongst civilians. Brynje is a Norwegian brand and I believe it has its name from the metalic brynje worn by the Vikings for protection - not insulation :-)
Yes, we call them "helse-trøye" that translates to "health-shirt" Varde is another brand. But you're supposed to wear wool over it, to wick away moisture.
If you've ever used a waffle weave baselayer like the old Patagonia thermal weights, you get why this makes sense. Waffle weave is basically just a mesh inner layer combined with a thin knit outer layer.
Brynje is my favorite on really cold days. Especially if you have it as base laser and have a thin wool layer on the outside of it. The insulation is amazing and soo is the ventilation
Did some experimenting as a conscript back in 94. The mesh layer definitely feelt dry quicker, but the advantage was somewhat offset by the way it worked into your skin where you where carrying weight
As a Dane,I´ve known this property all along. In the 80´s we used those mesh T-shirts as underlayer in the Civil Forsvar as firemen. It protects both from extrem warm and cold.
This takes me back to my Alberta winters in the 1980's. I would wear a cotton fishnet underlayer (next to skin), then a wool midlayer. The fishnet would wick moisture from the skin, to be held in the wool layer. Putting a downfill parka on top, and I was good to -40.
Very neat to know this is valid. Decades ago I spun and then knitted a large mesh shawl from an owner's sheepdog. It seemed to be warmer than I expected but I chalked it up to the unique fiber. I may have to reset my knitting loom and knit up a mesh thermal underwear set out of merino to compare. Who knew.
One of my favorite ways to increase warmth in our bed is to put a bed sheet on top of a rather open weave blanket … a mesh blanket … because of the air pockets. Works too well😊
Not surprised by the results. I have a crocheted blanket my Swedish grandmother gave me years ago and it’s light compared other blankets and very warm. Also use it at night to sleep and have never woke up feeling damp from perspiration when overheating.
It'll be interesting how well this works in a UK style environment (sleet & drizzle as the primary testing weather condition!), though string vests are now a historic idea that grandad used to wear (cotton ones).
I didnt realise this wasnt a think in hiking/backpacking already - I came from the cycling world and they have always been commonplace from all the main manufacturers and used by all the cycling teams. A mesh base layer can also keep you cooler in the summer. Becauase I already had them from cycling for the last 15 years, when I started hiking I just used them automatically.
Finally. Thanks for this video! I bought a mesh tee shirt at REI in the 1980s and wore it till it fell apart. They only sold them for a short time and I could not find them anywhere else. I perspire heavily when exerting and this shirt worked extremely well keeping me warm and dry. I'd check now and then to see if I they were available, but no go. Now I am aging and not exerting as much, and don't really need these, but it's nice to know they are there if I want. I remember my shirt being good for sleeping, too. Do not doubt what this man is saying. Mesh base layers work!
I’ve been using mesh base layers from Rapha and Craft for over 15 years for cycling in hot and cold months and love how much more quickly they dry, allowing the mid layer to better insulate. Rapha makes a merino mesh baselayer that is great. The synthetics work really well too and don’t stink which I think is due to how quickly they dry and less material for bacteria to grow.
Yes, it does work, I used to freeze while winter Steelhead fishing in the PNW. Even with wearing neoprene waders my legs and especially my feet would only last about 15 minutes in the water. I heard that wearing tights under your waders would help, and it did, but after rummaging through my wife’s unmentionables drawer, I found some “fish net” and wow.. Worked fantastic! Been a pair in my wader bag ever since.
For decades, Hanes has made a base layer that is a layer of cotton sandwiched between 2 layers of polyester mesh. It is the best base layer available. It's warm, wicks sweat a little (not as much as many others), reversible for if you only wear it a couple hours and want to wear again, comfortable enough that i wear them as pajamas at home, and they're super cheap at Walmart. After years of trying various hi-tech base layers I'm glad I got these out of desperation because I was stuck without access to laundry. Sometimes we forget that great new thing is not actually better than what our grandparents had.
I'm surprised not to have seen more of these garments. I had a pair of very light, mesh lined slacks, given me as a gift many years ago. They were nothing short of amazing, but in the wind is where they really shone.
I used to ski in Utah in winter in sub-zero temps with a fishnet shirt and a very light jacket. If you're moving well, it works. If you're standing still in the wind, not so much.
I've used Brynje (and similar) mesh layers since the seventies. Excellent performance, but it's also a specialized garment. If you know it will be cold enough for layering all the time then it's hard to beat, but if it gets warm enough so you can walk around without an outer layer then non-mesh shirt works better.
Basic cotton mesh, flap around the back of the neck to loosen up/air out if you're rucking. Been doing that since I learned it in the army back in the 90's.
Been using a two-baselayer system for a few years: Mesh below and a regular synthetic on top of that. It minimises the contact area between skin and fabric which is great when things becomes damp.
String vests were very common in the damp winter conditions of Scotland when I was growing up. Also, it works in reverse - just ask any fireman what his base layer of heat insulation is!
A little off topic but I wear a motorcycle summer mesh jacket year round. The only difference is in winter. I add a windproof outer jacket over it. Works for me
Net is also good in the summer. I noticed this when I put my hand in a fishnet. You can immediately feel how much "colder" it is inside than outside the net. Like it amplifies the air that passes through it and cools your skin in the summer.
I started buying the lightweight micro-mesh t-shirts at Costco a few years ago. They are durable and look more normal than the wide mesh shown in this video. They are still very breathable and great for cool weather .
While venting when getting hot is one way, it's not always practical. They way this is more commonly used is you have another layer on top of the wool net that soaks the sweat. The net is really effective at transferring moisture off your skin.
I learned about using a mesh base from the Norwegian Army in the mid 80’s. My US Army unit was on a joint winter training exercise with them above the Arctic Circle. Also, reindeer skins make a warm/dry sleeping pad on snow.
The best blanket i have is a hand knitted one. I could watch tv thru the holes in it. It’s made with wool yarn and instantly warm. I used to have some socks as a kid. Always the best ones to wear sledding with wet feet.
i had a short sleeve poly fishnet top with solid shoulders to accommodate shoulder straps around 1990 from LL Bean. I found it great for winter hiking by just unbuttoning my dress weight wool shirt to vent. I no longer have the fishnet, but I still often were a button up shirt so I can vent my torso by using the buttons. Glad they are back!
Love these base layers, tried the synthetic top on a very gruelling steep hike I did in BC back in October in BC. It was about 2-5C, so not that cold, BUT, all I needed to wear was that mesh layer under my pack. It worked awesome.
I like your scientific approach and appreciate the time it must take to do the tests. Fifty years ago (I’m 75) I remember using cotton mesh t shirts when hiking (there was no alternative fabrics available) and it kind of worked, but now I’ll give these new stuff a try.
I recently bought the Marino wool version. So far absolutely loving it. I’m usually a fan of a big jumper/fleece mid layer but enjoying just going mesh base layer, t shirt and windproof outer in the colder weather. Also finding that when I do sweat it’s not transferring onto my other layers the same. Which is another added bonus.
We had something very similar to these in the Norwegian military when I was there in 2014, and they were not a new thing even then! It was a funny feeling to wear them without anything on the outside!😅
Near the end of Sept and into Oct I hiked from flagstaff Arizona to the Grand Canyon. Spent a few days before going down and after coming up, camping at the south rim. I then hiked back to flagstaff. It was 104f at the bottom of the canyon. When hiking to and from the canyon most miles are exposed to the sun. It was 85F + most of the time during the day. I wore a cheap mesh base layer with a button 30 spf long sleeve hiking shirt overtop. For the most part the hiking shirt was unbuttoned and opened up a little at the front. Any breeze and you could feel the evaporation off your body which had a cooling effect. When I stopped hiking for the day I hung the hiking shirt up to dry and just wore the mesh layer. To go to sleep I put a tshirt overtop of the mesh layer and had a light sleeping bag. I was very happy with how the mesh layer worked both during the day and for night time.
I'd watched a doc a few years ago - about the life on the coldest continent, they wore Net/Mesh - Underwear in Antarctic weather. Also the Norwegian Military is using them. But it's so difficult to get some, except in some adult stores 😅
It does work and quite well. I have been wearing mesh Tees by Brynje since the early 1970's.. The concept is sound. I would wear a synthetic shirt over the mesh and it stays drier and so do I. Much warmer. I suppose in a survival situation I have a fish net too haha. Haven't had to try that yet.
They have each their use. Wool is for low level activity, like hiking. Polypropylene is for high level, like running and biking. You wash the polypropylene immediately after the activity, then you will have no problems with oder. I have polypropylene shirts that are more than 15 years old and with no oder. The merino you just hang up to dry. I never wash those....
I’ve been using the same Wiggy’s mesh shirt for 20 years. It is made of nylon so it doesn’t wear out or absorb water. He has recently added a second mesh shirt with smaller holes to wear over the original large holed version. It is made in Colorado and is only available through his website.
I tend to sweat more than most, it is easy for me to saturate every base layer while hiking and once the layers are wet evaporation cooling causes much greater and quicker heat loss. This is where the 4to 6 times warmer claim comes from in my experience. This is where the dummy in the cooler test falls way short of real life in my opinion- no sweating simulation. Couple of factors in play with the Brynje base layer- it is polypropylene, a hydrophobic fabric so it does not absorb moisture. Being a mesh, moisture quickly moves through it to the next layer. The next factor to making this work is to have the next layers function as a system to keep moving the moisture outward. So the mid insulation layers and shell characteristics are critical. Down to freezing all I need is a polyester shirt, either a sun hoodie or summer weight sun shirt while hiking. I’ll Moderate body temperature with hat, neck gator and or glove choices as needed. If it’s windy a light nylon windbreaker is all I need. Once the temperature drops into the 20’s , I like a mid layer of either alpha direct or alpaca as either fabric is a good insulator while breathing well and holding minimal moisture. Merino wool mid layers absorb more moisture than alpaca and I sweat too much for merino to be effective. When I do stop for a break, it is easy to stay warm with a puffy because my layers are mostly dry. Been a game changer for me.
This sounds like the industry standard layering system - or it should be! Yeah, that Polartec alpha is amazing. As a base layer when more modesty is required, too.
@@gregvanpaassen at least that’s where my layering has evolved to. If temperatures are above freezing, I keep the Alpha for extended breaks and sleep system. Had three days straight rain in Alaska last summer and it was critical to keep something dry at all costs.
String vest? My great grandfather introduced me to them when I was a nipper. Standard issue with the UK Antarctic survey teams for decades and decades. Bloody brilliant when modern fibres are used instead of cotton. Best way of trapping a layer of insulating air and avoiding getting soggy & cold.
I'm an intermediate crocheter and this look fairly easy to make at home. If anyone happens to have any advice do let me know! I'll update with progress.
@@percyfaith11 Synthetic is great when it is spun into a precise airy structure made for outdoor wear, but synthetic yarn made for crochet will not at all have the required structure to trap air and wick moisture.
The setup you have with the freezer is super duper awesome. I would really like to see dry and wet cotton and dry and wet wool in similar weight compared.
@@MyLifeOutdoors 1. fishnet 2. wool knit sweater. 3 fleece with long zips. 4. shell with long zips. Thats how I manage the climates while climbing and working on cell towers in the winter.
I know some of the funny speaking mountain special forces have been using them for years!! I can't recall which it was, Swedish, Norwegian, German, etc. i just remember reading old mentions of them seeing use around WW2!! Norway had mesh in garments since the 1880's, but developed the first wearable cotton mesh in 1940
Started using this specific one (choose poly instead of the wool one because it will dry MUCH faster and be much tougher) and it outperformed every base layer i have ever used in my life! LOVE IT!
@@chriskoohk You start to small/stink later to much later when using a good quality mesh layer compared with most other types of base layers, as your sweat evaporates so fast, that bacteria don't thrive as well as they do when other base layers are used. Bacteria growth very much depend on enough moisture. The only type of base layer that in my experience compete with a good quality mesh layer when it comes to odor, is the ones with silver used for anti bacterial effect. The best solution for odor would be a mesh layer with silver used in the fabric and I know of one brand that makes that and that is Svala from Finland, but I have not tested it. Personally I use Brynje from Norway as was tested here and have done so for as long as I can remember and I am 57 years now. Now and then have I tested new products that have claimed that they have been the best base layers ever, and every single time have they been worse to MUCH worse.
@@chriskoohk Of all the things I used so far against odours, the best was zinc oxide powder, I could be sweating all day in synthetics and it doesn't stink clothes (at least not much). You need very little amount of it under armpits.
When I served in the Norwegian army, up North in Kirkenes close to the border to Russia, I wore mesh T's all the time. But in conjunction with wool. Mesh creates pockets where heat can gather. And it also leads perspiration and condensation away. Thus, it keeps you cool in the summer and warm in the winter, while also keeping you reasonably dry.
While living in Siberia I would walk at negative 40 weather, using what most people use during fall in California with two exceptions, well maybe three. The first is excellent boots though they were not rated for -40 that were rated for like -5 c. The second was excellent heavy gloves, and the third was a good head covering. Otherwise I was pretty much using what my friend uses when walking the dog during fall in San Francisco. The secret of course was twofold, the trapping of air, and making sure I did not sweat or trap moisture. This is why I hated going into the malls or the coffee shops while walking, because in Russia they keep those places way too hot, which meant that I would sweat, which meant that I would have to use a taxi to go back because otherwise I would freeze... The mesh layer makes absolute sense since that is pretty much what I use, though I didn't know it was a thing in Scandinavia, though of course it makes a lot of sense. My walks would be 4 to 5 hours long in -40 weather with a very light wind or no wind, if there was a relatively stiff wind I would have to use a hard shell and then I was prone to having problems with controlling moisture. Overall my main worry was always My nose and my ears, possibly my lips and sometimes the cheeks. The nose ears and cheeks are where you are most likely to get frostbitten if you are wearing good gloves and socks and boots, The lips, mainly the problem there is chapping. Oh don't wear contact lenses if you don't constantly blink in -40 weather or if you don't have some form of eye cover like sunglasses, it's not really a problem because of the cold itself, it's mainly a problem if there is enough of a breeze with the cold at the same time and that can become an issue
Hi Steven, Antuan from the classic. It was great to meet you in the Fjallraven classic. Looking forward to your content and wishing you continued success!
I love all videos MyLifeOutdoors does. Thanks for sharing the information you have, the information you learn, and your love of what you do. I only wish someone, or you, would make a video where the gear did not cost so much but it would last. As someone who is just trying to get into the hobby of backpacking, camping, and hiking I am not going to spend $200+ on a backpack, sleeping pad, sleeping bag, etc. The shirt for this video, it is mostly holes, but costs $70. That is 30% less than the last time I looked when it was $100 but still that seems outrageous for a shirt.
Started using mesh first layer about 55 years ago hiking the mts of Washington state. I forgot about it till I saw your video. Teaching my 28 year old son to climb and hike. Will pickup some mesh first layers before the summer. I actually have a pic somewhere.. shorts and mesh first layer.... that's how I hiked... Loved it. Kept the heavy backpack off the skin and remained cool. Thanks for the video.
I started using this last year - it’s an amazing layer that I’ve grown to love. It performs excellently under a breathable layer like a windbreaker - don’t choke it off under a rain jacket.
Brynje made the PE version really hydrophobic. So even under a raincoat, it should still be warmer as it let the sweat bead up and run off and maintain air pockets around you.
@@jnrfalconrespectfully disagree. Rain coat (any of the Goretex or similar) will not move moisture fast enough for a high sweat situation and eventually will get cold. Any mid layers will also wet out, same cold result for those who sweat a lot like myself.
I have been wearing wool fishnet undershirts for over 45 years. My next layer is a wool shirt or light wool sweater, then a heavyweight wool sweater, then the outer coat, either goose down or heavy wool, such as a Filson Double Mackinaw. Sometimes I will employ Gore-Tex as a windbreaker element. The best combination for winter hiking for me is a wool fishnet undershirt, wool shirt or sweater, goose down vest and a wool overcoat. If I hike in a down coat or parka, my sleeves get wet from sweat. Most down coats or parkas have knit wrist cuffs that don’t vent very well. Cotton kills. During the 1950 November-December battle of the Chosin Reservoir in North Korea, some Chinese units ran ahead of the U.S. Marines, who were “attacking to the rear,” to set up ambushes. The Chinese wore cotton shirts and quilted cotton coats. They generated a lot of sweat and “freeze dried” in place and died while still clutching their weapons.
Warning: I bought the leggings with inlay at the knees. Because of the physics of diamond shaped netting, the whole inlay sags downward eventually sitting around my shins after some time! So I recommend to all my friends to avoid the leggings with the inlay. Just get the regular netted leggings.
I would stick with natural fabrics. FYI- wool and linen have a frequency of 5000 but should not be worn together because their frequencies go in opposite direction canceling the benefit out. Polyester and silk have a frequency close to a deadman or unwell person being around 15. As a fiber artist I love wool and angora(rabbit). Angora has a frequency of 5000 and is 7-10 times warmer than sheep wool when not wet. Sheep wool retains heat even while wet to some point. I’ve always wanted to spin and knit a onesy out of angora to slip into after arriving on top of a snowy cold mountain inside a tent. It would be the ultimate layer in that situation.:)
Hardly a "new craze" - Hilary and Tensing used Brinje on their first ascent of Everest. I've been using it for decades. Properly used a mesh base-layer is greatly superior in cold weather. But he's not using it properly - it's important to cap the mesh with a light, wicking, tight fitting top to trap the warm air. I use a fast-drying synthetic base-layer top with a deep zip, so I can quickly dump heat when required. Another advantage is the speed of drying if you do get wet. In my experience, a hand-wrung mesh top will dry completely on the body in under 20 minutes. This means you can wash it in any stream and put it back on. That way it doesn't stink up. On long treks, I simply wear it 24/7.
I've watched about a dozen of your videos, enjoyed every one. Hadn't subscribed yet. You always mention GGG, and I was always curious. Just visited their site and, I am in love!! Thank you for the hook up. I'm now subscribed to your channel like I should've already been!! My husband is built just like you and we're in the Sierra's (pretty warm) you really help me understand how to dress him. Not that he needs help dressing. But, gear has changed a lot in the last 30 years
I think the laboratory style tests are even more impressive in that they don’t include the effects of water being trapped in a solid base layer, which then requires energy to be evaporated. The overall energy savings may not be four times as much as a solid layer, but it’s definitely more than 20%.
Depends on the material, wool generates heat when it absorbs water, so absorbing sweat is actually an intentional part of how wool baselayers keep you warm.
@ that’s interesting. However is seems that the heat of vaporization of water is going to be 2 to 3 times higher than the amount of heat generated by the absorption of water into the wool.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 plus to get the water out of the wool you have to inject that same amount of energy to reverse the reaction when the water absorbs into the wool.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 that’s literally the entire point. Remember, you were arguing that wool can be warmer because it releases heat when it absorbs water. Well to reverse that process, it takes heat out of the system, and then to evaporate the water. It takes more heat out of the system, cooling the person. We don’t want that. That’s why I was arguing initially that because the mesh layer doesn’t absorb a lot of water and allows water vapor to escape theoretically through the pit zips, there’s nothing in the garment to cool the person down once they stop moving because there’s nothing to evaporate.
Hello, love your work, thank you. So, I have to say, it is interesting to see the "main stream" finally catch up to Wiggy's. Jerry has been selling this as a base layer for at least 30 years and its nice to see the validation! Thank you.
Been used for hundreds of years in Norway. ( design changed over time a bit) Old name translated, something like " Health- shirt" Long story behind that name. The old version, was white, And made of cotton. There is a story, that Said officers in the navy, back when they had sailing ships, Kept a clean ( boiled And sealed) inner shirt in a closet on the ship. They changed to it, when they sailed into battle. Having a clean inner shirt, increased your chanse of survival in battle, if you got wounded. The sailers, could not afford a fancy inner spare shirt. But, they could have a spare inner Mesh- shirt. The " Health shirt" And somehow, this shirt survived to modern times.. Yeah, I have a professor in History, in my family, And he likes to tell stories.. this is from my memory, And short version...
When I served in the military in the mid 2000s, one of my superior sf officers used these all the time. Everyone laughed at him but he didn't care because he knew they worked
Road workers used. to use cotton string vests in the 1960's, well understood to be effective, if sartorially ghastly, when top layers were removed. Interesting video.
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I have been wearing mesh base layers for over 40 years. Coming from a Norwegian family it is traditional in the winter.
Ditto. Mesh is the standard clothing in the winter when you need to move sweat and keep warm. Funny that this surfaces now abroad.
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crazy since i inever heard about it in my life, besides from pictures of raving and goths
I wonder if the larger winter clothing conglomerates prefer not to market this as it would rather make the same expensive garments to keep margins steady
Gotta say, didnt think id start my morning off seeing you in some hot topic fishnet looking gear. I think you pushed me to give it a try, but im leaving the dark eyeliner at home.
Dark eyeliner reduces glare from the snow and increases your perceived threat level to bears. Studded collars and belts also make you a less appealing meal for a bear or mountain lion. Large baggy pants have more storage options while skinny jeans make you more aerodynamic.
@@arnoldkotlyarevsky383 Ill believe it when I see Steven make a video to prove it. Having more storage options is always nice.
@@RyanZuidema It is WAY too early for all these visuals lol
lol! My son begged me not to post this!
This is the level of quality that all threads on TH-cam should aspire to.
😂😂😂😂welcome to the reinvention of the wheel!!! Wool mesh next to skin, under a boiled wool garment with a waxed canvas shell was the configuration we wore in the days before synthetic fills. The boiled wool slowed heat transfer and kept the air space in the mesh warm from body heat. The air gap also reduced the conductive cooling that would come from a sweat soaked layer against the skin. The moisture could be from external infiltration as well, from rain or falling into water. That air gap is valuable but if you carry a heavy pack, you will want padding at the pressure points of shoulders or the mesh will grate at your skin. We would use a pair of wool socks hanging across shoulders, under the mesh and rotate them with the ones in our boots to dry. An alternate would be a thin dish cloth that could be quickly dryed by a fire then used in hygene routines. Silk next to skin under the mesh was also another very good configuration as it dryed quickly just from body heat while reducing friction of the mesh against skin. Managing body temperature, preventing heat loss and hypothermia is the key to both comfort and survival! And should you encounter fire, wool is better than synthetics!
Chafing was what I wondered about, so thank you for this comment. How is the mesh against a bare chest? I wonder if this would be a good garment for my husband for truck loading and unloading during winter.
@thewaka the magic depends on what it is layered with. How you configure your layers depends on your activity level and physiology. Does your husband sweat during this and what does he normally wear. I feel that mesh under a light fleece would be better than any other undergarment with maybe the exception of silk. Mesh under a hoodie could also reduce the chill once he stops by keeping the damp cloth off his skin. The principle here is that the mesh air gap reduces sweat by reducing skin contact. Body heat radiates away to achieve temperature regulation without triggering evaporation/sweat. However, the heat accumulates within the mesh air gap and is retained by the next outer layer. That could be many things as suitable, depending on the weather and activity.
@thewaka BTW, he may need to put tape over his nipples!🤣👍 they get sensitive from any mesh matterial rubbing.
My son served a year in the Norwegian Air Force as a guard for the F-35 squadron. They would do several days training out in the deep woods in -20c temps. They used Brynje wool net base layers. My wife, his mother, used wool net back in the 80’s as a Red Cross volunteer out in -40 temps. It works. It has for ages. Use it.
Nothing new. I knew this technology back in the 1970s. Problem is getting the kit now.
I still have my fishnet underwear from when I worked in the bush in the 1970s to 1980s. I remember my Father wearing it in the 1950s and 60s. It was very popular with outdoor workers in Canada until aggressive marketing of fake moisture control fabrics like Gortex, killed it.
Very interesting!
The mesh should do a nice job of making pockets of air for insulation, kinda like bubble wrap. If not covered it could help with cooling, better that a solid fabric.
The SLY point in what he said was it is warmer than a wool garment OF THE SAME WEIGHT.
The rest is all a set up for the commercial.
Working class men in the U.K. used string vests for warm sweat free work in ironworks, factories, ports, clay factories, auto factories, etc. from the 1960s on. You can buy them at about half the U.K. grocery stores today in poor neighborhoods.
The vintage ones look like crochet!
Exactly. They're acting like people have discovered a new concept but trawler-men and farmers have been wearing these since the 19thC.
Rab C. Nesbit wore one 😂
In Scotland this was commonly known as the "String vest" made from cotton and worn daily under every day garments up to about the 1980- 1990's, as the functionality of it has been lost amongst the "Unfashionable" trend these days.
Unless you happen to be Rab C. Nesbitt!
Big Rab C approves.
Standard wear for my father, born 1914.
Yeah, all over the UK probably. Who is just discovering it?
The Goodies approved underwear no less!
Yeah, we had these in the 1970's, when I lived in Delaware. We knew that this would keep you very warm when layered with other clothing. It also krpt you cool in the spring and Summer without layering. Then you couldn't find them anywhere.
Exactly. We older hikers remember these. I learned about them in The Complete Walker by Colin Fletcher, the backpackers' bible back then.
50 shades of hiking
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this comment is very underrated!!!
please daddy
Those fancy knot-tying skills aren't just for show
my mum had us wear fishnet stockings for skiing when I was a kid,,,still use them today as long johns make you cook......its a hidden secret ive kept away from my buddies but always used on the slopes lol
Hehehe 😂🎉
It's cool to see the contemporary outdoors community catching up with both my (Norwegian) grandfathers...
😂 yes this is something Norwegians knew for quite some time already
You Scandinavians have known this forever. The old ways are always the best, there’s a logical reason for it.
Fjallraven has been showing this in their product vids for over 10 years even though they don't sell it.
So... it's a string vest! Had these when I was a kid (60 years ago).
Ha! My FIL (in his late 70s) would wear the fishnets under his fishing waders. Old is new I guess!
As someone who's used holey blankets his whole life, they're another great use of the same principle, warm but also keep you from getting too sweaty.
I've used these for a little bit in the military. It's tough get things to breath under plates while moving through mountains but this has helped a ton.
Yeap, used to be a standard issue in the Finnish army. It’s been a while, maybe they still use it.
Yup. I don't mind layering. It's that "get it off me" feeling from the skin being unable to breathe that constantly makes me uncomfortable. That feeling is always there.
@@irzyxelwj then i think you will really like this mesh.
@Brewtuhl as a Special Forces guy before synthetics, wool mesh was a regular item. It also works in the tropics to keep wet cloth off the skin and aid ventilation. Synthetics work well until you come in contact with fire.
My Grandad was an electrician that worked on the Alaskan oil pipe line. He used to talk about wearing mesh, but I did not understand what he was talking about until now. Thanks.
What's old is new again. I did not realize that fishnet base layers were back in style. I have been wearing them for forty years, and the only place I could find them being sold was through Wiggy's. Good to know that in the future there may be more options available.
Check out Brynje. This gear is their bread and butter.
There is rarely anything new under the sun.
@@kart182 Thanks, I will look into their products.
@@mwGoosman True.
This is the most entertaining video I've seen all week, and it's even informative! I have a mountain cabin at a small downhill and cross-country ski area in southern Norway, but only visit in the summertime. It's always the highlight of my year.
Started using Brynje mesh shirts for mt biking a bit over a year ago. Absolutely love 'em. The warmth is there when its cold, but they also stay comfy even when its warmer temps (50-60F). Great for the 'cool' weather, as I describe it acting as temperature moderation. I may be a bit warm on the climbs, even with outer layers venting, but when I stop or get to the top, I don't have the wet, clammy, and clingy base layer chilling me down. Which is even more noticeable when you start going back down right away; close up the outer layers and I may be a bit cool, but not being chilled is wonderful.
Another MTBer here and I swear by these layers. To me, they aren't subjectively any warmer than other base layers at rest, but I stay so much drier that the warmth gain is fantastic. I wonder if this is a part of the 4-6 times warmer claim by Brynje. I usually ride with a very light summer layer over the mesh.
Never had that problem with just wool - wool stays warm when it's wet ...
I never noticed how soaked with sweat I was till I got home and stripped everything off lol
My dad used to wear mesh t shirts back in the 1960s. He had a Norwegian friend with a knitting machine who would make them for him.
Having just switched over this week I can say I am impressed.
Picked up a very basic polyester long sleeved fishnet top for around $20. Using only that as a base layer, 1/4 zip waffletop, and a Goretex shell I went on a 10 mile hump (20°F) with a 25lb pack to prove them wrong, but it performed flawlessly. Never before have I gone on a hike (with a pack) and have my back feel completely dry. The ability to move moisture and thereby regulating temperature is a trip, literally. 😁🤘😎
What did you get? Just a cheap “club shirt” off Amazon?
try a knit wool sweater as your second layer instead of the waffle top. (blue german military surplus sweater) I climb cell towers and in the winter its tricky because the climb up produces a ton of heat. Then you're stuck up there with the 2x cold wind blowing. I climb up with all the leg and arm zips open, let the wind dry out and cool the body temp down to normal then close all the zips.
@@proactivex would love to see a video about that
@@youtubecopyrights that’s a good idea. I will do it.
@tallndorky pretty much. Jogal is the brand. Pretty open, synthetic long sleeve. 25 bucks. Well have to see how it holds up.
This has been used in Norway for generations, both in the armed forces and amongst civilians. Brynje is a Norwegian brand and I believe it has its name from the metalic brynje worn by the Vikings for protection - not insulation :-)
Yes, we call them "helse-trøye" that translates to "health-shirt" Varde is another brand. But you're supposed to wear wool over it, to wick away moisture.
English has the similar word ‘byrnie’ meaning a mail shirt.
If you've ever used a waffle weave baselayer like the old Patagonia thermal weights, you get why this makes sense. Waffle weave is basically just a mesh inner layer combined with a thin knit outer layer.
Mmmm waffles.... With maple syrup...
Brynje is my favorite on really cold days. Especially if you have it as base laser and have a thin wool layer on the outside of it. The insulation is amazing and soo is the ventilation
Did some experimenting as a conscript back in 94. The mesh layer definitely feelt dry quicker, but the advantage was somewhat offset by the way it worked into your skin where you where carrying weight
These ones have shoulder patches under the mesh to protect against this for rucksack straps.
As a Dane,I´ve known this property all along. In the 80´s we used those mesh T-shirts as underlayer in the Civil Forsvar as firemen. It protects both from extrem warm and cold.
This takes me back to my Alberta winters in the 1980's. I would wear a cotton fishnet underlayer (next to skin), then a wool midlayer. The fishnet would wick moisture from the skin, to be held in the wool layer. Putting a downfill parka on top, and I was good to -40.
Also keeps scratchy wool off skin 😂
Very neat to know this is valid. Decades ago I spun and then knitted a large mesh shawl from an owner's sheepdog. It seemed to be warmer than I expected but I chalked it up to the unique fiber. I may have to reset my knitting loom and knit up a mesh thermal underwear set out of merino to compare. Who knew.
One of my favorite ways to increase warmth in our bed is to put a bed sheet on top of a rather open weave blanket … a mesh blanket … because of the air pockets. Works too well😊
Not surprised by the results. I have a crocheted blanket my Swedish grandmother gave me years ago and it’s light compared other blankets and very warm. Also use it at night to sleep and have never woke up feeling damp from perspiration when overheating.
Yes! Me, too. I bought a very good quality extra lightweight Down comforter, and I was never able to sleep under it...
Don’t forget the fishnet with matching Zpacks ultralight titanium nipple rings! 😉
That sounds like a Dutchware gear product haha.
With leather. 😂
@snowpeak
@@ArtistValley not American lol
And matching chaps! So do chaps keep your bum warm because they have giant holes? I need to watch all of this video for more info 😂
It'll be interesting how well this works in a UK style environment (sleet & drizzle as the primary testing weather condition!), though string vests are now a historic idea that grandad used to wear (cotton ones).
I didnt realise this wasnt a think in hiking/backpacking already - I came from the cycling world and they have always been commonplace from all the main manufacturers and used by all the cycling teams. A mesh base layer can also keep you cooler in the summer. Becauase I already had them from cycling for the last 15 years, when I started hiking I just used them automatically.
Well aren't you fancy 😉
GCN did a test on base layers for keeping cool in the heat of summer. The one that kept people coolest was no base layer at all.
@@carlspringfels8503 Trouble is, "no base layer" doesn't sell well.
Finally. Thanks for this video! I bought a mesh tee shirt at REI in the 1980s and wore it till it fell apart. They only sold them for a short time and I could not find them anywhere else. I perspire heavily when exerting and this shirt worked extremely well keeping me warm and dry. I'd check now and then to see if I they were available, but no go. Now I am aging and not exerting as much, and don't really need these, but it's nice to know they are there if I want. I remember my shirt being good for sleeping, too. Do not doubt what this man is saying. Mesh base layers work!
I’ve been using mesh base layers from Rapha and Craft for over 15 years for cycling in hot and cold months and love how much more quickly they dry, allowing the mid layer to better insulate. Rapha makes a merino mesh baselayer that is great. The synthetics work really well too and don’t stink which I think is due to how quickly they dry and less material for bacteria to grow.
Yes, it does work, I used to freeze while winter Steelhead fishing in the PNW. Even with wearing neoprene waders my legs and especially my feet would only last about 15 minutes in the water. I heard that wearing tights under your waders would help, and it did, but after rummaging through my wife’s unmentionables drawer, I found some “fish net” and wow.. Worked fantastic! Been a pair in my wader bag ever since.
Steelhead MMMMM! I could eat that every day! It has the most amazing texture and flavor!
For decades, Hanes has made a base layer that is a layer of cotton sandwiched between 2 layers of polyester mesh. It is the best base layer available. It's warm, wicks sweat a little (not as much as many others), reversible for if you only wear it a couple hours and want to wear again, comfortable enough that i wear them as pajamas at home, and they're super cheap at Walmart.
After years of trying various hi-tech base layers I'm glad I got these out of desperation because I was stuck without access to laundry. Sometimes we forget that great new thing is not actually better than what our grandparents had.
What’s it called
@justin_other_kayaker it probably doesn't even have a name. They sell it at Walmart in the men's clothing section during winter.
If yall find it drop the link
@@JacobTheGunNut Can't. YT auto deletes comments with links.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872break up the link with a space in a couple places so it does not work as a direct link.
I'm surprised not to have seen more of these garments. I had a pair of very light, mesh lined slacks, given me as a gift many years ago. They were nothing short of amazing, but in the wind is where they really shone.
LIving in -30f-20f winter. Wools always been the answer. Cotton base and wool. Has been perfectly fine through day and night alone.
I used to ski in Utah in winter in sub-zero temps with a fishnet shirt and a very light jacket. If you're moving well, it works. If you're standing still in the wind, not so much.
I've used Brynje (and similar) mesh layers since the seventies. Excellent performance, but it's also a specialized garment. If you know it will be cold enough for layering all the time then it's hard to beat, but if it gets warm enough so you can walk around without an outer layer then non-mesh shirt works better.
Basic cotton mesh, flap around the back of the neck to loosen up/air out if you're rucking. Been doing that since I learned it in the army back in the 90's.
Been using a two-baselayer system for a few years: Mesh below and a regular synthetic on top of that. It minimises the contact area between skin and fabric which is great when things becomes damp.
try knit wool for second layer. when you open the zips the wind zips through and clears out moisture and heat in seconds.
String vests were very common in the damp winter conditions of Scotland when I was growing up. Also, it works in reverse - just ask any fireman what his base layer of heat insulation is!
A little off topic but I wear a motorcycle summer mesh jacket year round. The only difference is in winter. I add a windproof outer jacket over it. Works for me
Net is also good in the summer. I noticed this when I put my hand in a fishnet. You can immediately feel how much "colder" it is inside than outside the net. Like it amplifies the air that passes through it and cools your skin in the summer.
Revolutionary! If only we'd known this a hundred years ago.
Oh wait, we did, we called them string vests and literally all men wore them all winter.
I started buying the lightweight micro-mesh t-shirts at Costco a few years ago. They are durable and look more normal than the wide mesh shown in this video. They are still very breathable and great for cool weather .
Excellent. Relevant. Interested. Brief. Watchable. All in all, valuable. Well done. Thank you.
While venting when getting hot is one way, it's not always practical.
They way this is more commonly used is you have another layer on top of the wool net that soaks the sweat. The net is really effective at transferring moisture off your skin.
I learned about using a mesh base from the Norwegian Army in the mid 80’s. My US Army unit was on a joint winter training exercise with them above the Arctic Circle. Also, reindeer skins make a warm/dry sleeping pad on snow.
Sounds lovely!😊
@ Have you two ever slept on reindeer skins in snow above the arctic circle?
The best blanket i have is a hand knitted one. I could watch tv thru the holes in it. It’s made with wool yarn and instantly warm. I used to have some socks as a kid. Always the best ones to wear sledding with wet feet.
i had a short sleeve poly fishnet top with solid shoulders to accommodate shoulder straps around 1990 from LL Bean. I found it great for winter hiking by just unbuttoning my dress weight wool shirt to vent. I no longer have the fishnet, but I still often were a button up shirt so I can vent my torso by using the buttons. Glad they are back!
Love these base layers, tried the synthetic top on a very gruelling steep hike I did in BC back in October in BC. It was about 2-5C, so not that cold, BUT, all I needed to wear was that mesh layer under my pack. It worked awesome.
I like your scientific approach and appreciate the time it must take to do the tests. Fifty years ago (I’m 75) I remember using cotton mesh t shirts when hiking (there was no alternative fabrics available) and it kind of worked, but now I’ll give these new stuff a try.
I have had a mesh T shirt for years and it makes a great base layer without retaining the moisture of my other base layers.
I recently bought the Marino wool version. So far absolutely loving it. I’m usually a fan of a big jumper/fleece mid layer but enjoying just going mesh base layer, t shirt and windproof outer in the colder weather. Also finding that when I do sweat it’s not transferring onto my other layers the same. Which is another added bonus.
You made the right choice over plastic my friend 🐑🙌
@@sigurdtoverud9345 bääää 🐑
We had something very similar to these in the Norwegian military when I was there in 2014, and they were not a new thing even then! It was a funny feeling to wear them without anything on the outside!😅
Near the end of Sept and into Oct I hiked from flagstaff Arizona to the Grand Canyon. Spent a few days before going down and after coming up, camping at the south rim. I then hiked back to flagstaff. It was 104f at the bottom of the canyon. When hiking to and from the canyon most miles are exposed to the sun. It was 85F + most of the time during the day.
I wore a cheap mesh base layer with a button 30 spf long sleeve hiking shirt overtop. For the most part the hiking shirt was unbuttoned and opened up a little at the front. Any breeze and you could feel the evaporation off your body which had a cooling effect. When I stopped hiking for the day I hung the hiking shirt up to dry and just wore the mesh layer. To go to sleep I put a tshirt overtop of the mesh layer and had a light sleeping bag. I was very happy with how the mesh layer worked both during the day and for night time.
I'd watched a doc a few years ago - about the life on the coldest continent, they wore Net/Mesh - Underwear in Antarctic weather.
Also the Norwegian Military is using them.
But it's so difficult to get some, except in some adult stores 😅
If they had a PHD for backpacking you sir would have it. Outstanding job.
It does work and quite well. I have been wearing mesh Tees by Brynje since the early 1970's.. The concept is sound. I would wear a synthetic shirt over the mesh and it stays drier and so do I. Much warmer. I suppose in a survival situation I have a fish net too haha. Haven't had to try that yet.
The super thermo stinks because it's polyester but the Merino wool ones are almost odourless. Id recommend those better
@truepaulesco to each their own
Its polypropylene. At least mine is.
They have each their use. Wool is for low level activity, like hiking. Polypropylene is for high level, like running and biking. You wash the polypropylene immediately after the activity, then you will have no problems with oder. I have polypropylene shirts that are more than 15 years old and with no oder. The merino you just hang up to dry. I never wash those....
And the graphic he used said it was the wool one that was 4-6 times warmer so not a great experiment this time.
@@Oslohikerno issues with odor, but have fun absorbing PFAS and contributing microfibers to the already ruined ocean environment.
I’ve been using the same Wiggy’s mesh shirt for 20 years. It is made of nylon so it doesn’t wear out or absorb water. He has recently added a second mesh shirt with smaller holes to wear over the original large holed version. It is made in Colorado and is only available through his website.
I tend to sweat more than most, it is easy for me to saturate every base layer while hiking and once the layers are wet evaporation cooling causes much greater and quicker heat loss. This is where the 4to 6 times warmer claim comes from in my experience. This is where the dummy in the cooler test falls way short of real life in my opinion- no sweating simulation. Couple of factors in play with the Brynje base layer- it is polypropylene, a hydrophobic fabric so it does not absorb moisture. Being a mesh, moisture quickly moves through it to the next layer. The next factor to making this work is to have the next layers function as a system to keep moving the moisture outward. So the mid insulation layers and shell characteristics are critical. Down to freezing all I need is a polyester shirt, either a sun hoodie or summer weight sun shirt while hiking. I’ll
Moderate body temperature with hat, neck gator and or glove choices as needed. If it’s windy a light nylon windbreaker is all I need. Once the temperature drops into the 20’s , I like a mid layer of either alpha direct or alpaca as either fabric is a good insulator while breathing well and holding minimal moisture. Merino wool mid layers absorb more moisture than alpaca and I sweat too much for merino to be effective. When I do stop for a break, it is easy to stay warm with a puffy because my layers are mostly dry. Been a game changer for me.
This sounds like the industry standard layering system - or it should be!
Yeah, that Polartec alpha is amazing. As a base layer when more modesty is required, too.
@@gregvanpaassen at least that’s where my layering has evolved to. If temperatures are above freezing, I keep the Alpha for extended breaks and sleep system. Had three days straight rain in Alaska last summer and it was critical to keep something dry at all costs.
Reminds me of the knitted cotton " string" vests my grandmother knitted for us as children, back in the late 1940's early 50's.
Thanks for putting actual science to work on this question!
String vest? My great grandfather introduced me to them when I was a nipper. Standard issue with the UK Antarctic survey teams for decades and decades. Bloody brilliant when modern fibres are used instead of cotton. Best way of trapping a layer of insulating air and avoiding getting soggy & cold.
I'm an intermediate crocheter and this look fairly easy to make at home. If anyone happens to have any advice do let me know! I'll update with progress.
This is an interesting take! 👀
Use merino wool, cotton will soak up all the sweat and synthetic threads don’t have the right structure to be used for outdoor wear.
@@jr_kulik synthetic is just fine, although it retains odor more than wool.
@jr_kulik I'd use merino wool as well. I crochet too. I think I'll try making a fishnet shirt.
@@percyfaith11 Synthetic is great when it is spun into a precise airy structure made for outdoor wear, but synthetic yarn made for crochet will not at all have the required structure to trap air and wick moisture.
The information in this video was delivered so succinctly, I love it. Thank you for making this!
The setup you have with the freezer is super duper awesome. I would really like to see dry and wet cotton and dry and wet wool in similar weight compared.
I’ll see what I can do
@@MyLifeOutdoors 1. fishnet 2. wool knit sweater. 3 fleece with long zips. 4. shell with long zips. Thats how I manage the climates while climbing and working on cell towers in the winter.
Great idea. Putting some accurate numbers on 'dead man's clothes' would be very interesting.
@@proactivex What do you wear under the waist (pants, underwear, boots)? Have you tried aluminum foil layers anywhere (soles, in socks...?
I know some of the funny speaking mountain special forces have been using them for years!! I can't recall which it was, Swedish, Norwegian, German, etc. i just remember reading old mentions of them seeing use around WW2!!
Norway had mesh in garments since the 1880's, but developed the first wearable cotton mesh in 1940
Started using this specific one (choose poly instead of the wool one because it will dry MUCH faster and be much tougher) and it outperformed every base layer i have ever used in my life! LOVE IT!
How is the odour?
@@chriskoohk
You start to small/stink later to much later when using a good quality mesh layer compared with most other types of base layers, as your sweat evaporates so fast, that bacteria don't thrive as well as they do when other base layers are used.
Bacteria growth very much depend on enough moisture.
The only type of base layer that in my experience compete with a good quality mesh layer when it comes to odor, is the ones with silver used for anti bacterial effect.
The best solution for odor would be a mesh layer with silver used in the fabric and I know of one brand that makes that and that is Svala from Finland, but I have not tested it.
Personally I use Brynje from Norway as was tested here and have done so for as long as I can remember and I am 57 years now.
Now and then have I tested new products that have claimed that they have been the best base layers ever, and every single time have they been worse to MUCH worse.
I use the synthetic for mountain sledding where I overheat quite often especially in deep snow. They work great.
@@chriskoohk Of all the things I used so far against odours, the best was zinc oxide powder, I could be sweating all day in synthetics and it doesn't stink clothes (at least not much). You need very little amount of it under armpits.
When I served in the Norwegian army, up North in Kirkenes close to the border to Russia, I wore mesh T's all the time. But in conjunction with wool. Mesh creates pockets where heat can gather. And it also leads perspiration and condensation away. Thus, it keeps you cool in the summer and warm in the winter, while also keeping you reasonably dry.
While living in Siberia I would walk at negative 40 weather, using what most people use during fall in California with two exceptions, well maybe three. The first is excellent boots though they were not rated for -40 that were rated for like -5 c. The second was excellent heavy gloves, and the third was a good head covering. Otherwise I was pretty much using what my friend uses when walking the dog during fall in San Francisco. The secret of course was twofold, the trapping of air, and making sure I did not sweat or trap moisture. This is why I hated going into the malls or the coffee shops while walking, because in Russia they keep those places way too hot, which meant that I would sweat, which meant that I would have to use a taxi to go back because otherwise I would freeze... The mesh layer makes absolute sense since that is pretty much what I use, though I didn't know it was a thing in Scandinavia, though of course it makes a lot of sense. My walks would be 4 to 5 hours long in -40 weather with a very light wind or no wind, if there was a relatively stiff wind I would have to use a hard shell and then I was prone to having problems with controlling moisture. Overall my main worry was always My nose and my ears, possibly my lips and sometimes the cheeks. The nose ears and cheeks are where you are most likely to get frostbitten if you are wearing good gloves and socks and boots, The lips, mainly the problem there is chapping. Oh don't wear contact lenses if you don't constantly blink in -40 weather or if you don't have some form of eye cover like sunglasses, it's not really a problem because of the cold itself, it's mainly a problem if there is enough of a breeze with the cold at the same time and that can become an issue
I use mesh vest and long jons under silk base layers. Much warner and more comfortable as sweat escapes easily.
Hi Steven, Antuan from the classic. It was great to meet you in the Fjallraven classic. Looking forward to your content and wishing you continued success!
Hey Antuan! Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!
Works well for cold-weather cycling, glad to see it catching on elsewhere
I love all videos MyLifeOutdoors does. Thanks for sharing the information you have, the information you learn, and your love of what you do.
I only wish someone, or you, would make a video where the gear did not cost so much but it would last. As someone who is just trying to get into the hobby of backpacking, camping, and hiking I am not going to spend $200+ on a backpack, sleeping pad, sleeping bag, etc.
The shirt for this video, it is mostly holes, but costs $70. That is 30% less than the last time I looked when it was $100 but still that seems outrageous for a shirt.
Around 3:10 he says both of these are made out of polyester. No, the brynje uses either polypropylene or wool.
Started using mesh first layer about 55 years ago hiking the mts of Washington state. I forgot about it till I saw your video. Teaching my 28 year old son to climb and hike. Will pickup some mesh first layers before the summer. I actually have a pic somewhere.. shorts and mesh first layer.... that's how I hiked... Loved it. Kept the heavy backpack off the skin and remained cool. Thanks for the video.
I started using this last year - it’s an amazing layer that I’ve grown to love. It performs excellently under a breathable layer like a windbreaker - don’t choke it off under a rain jacket.
Brynje made the PE version really hydrophobic. So even under a raincoat, it should still be warmer as it let the sweat bead up and run off and maintain air pockets around you.
@@jnrfalconrespectfully disagree. Rain coat (any of the Goretex or similar) will not move moisture fast enough for a high sweat situation and eventually will get cold. Any mid layers will also wet out, same cold result for those who sweat a lot like myself.
My experience also
I’m thinking about trying this under a wind shirt like my Arktis Stowaway and a wool/alpaca mid layer over that.
@@donniebelso how do you keep warm
New here! Thanks so much for your hard work 👍🏻
knit wool sweaters. same principle. and warmer. Soon as you start sweating pull the pit zips on the jacket and the breeze flies through it.
I have been wearing wool fishnet undershirts for over 45 years. My next layer is a wool shirt or light wool sweater, then a heavyweight wool sweater, then the outer coat, either goose down or heavy wool, such as a Filson Double Mackinaw. Sometimes I will employ Gore-Tex as a windbreaker element.
The best combination for winter hiking for me is a wool fishnet undershirt, wool shirt or sweater, goose down vest and a wool overcoat. If I hike in a down coat or parka, my sleeves get wet from sweat. Most down coats or parkas have knit wrist cuffs that don’t vent very well.
Cotton kills. During the 1950 November-December battle of the Chosin Reservoir in North Korea, some Chinese units ran ahead of the U.S. Marines, who were “attacking to the rear,” to set up ambushes. The Chinese wore cotton shirts and quilted cotton coats. They generated a lot of sweat and “freeze dried” in place and died while still clutching their weapons.
Warning:
I bought the leggings with inlay at the knees. Because of the physics of diamond shaped netting, the whole inlay sags downward eventually sitting around my shins after some time! So I recommend to all my friends to avoid the leggings with the inlay. Just get the regular netted leggings.
I would stick with natural fabrics. FYI- wool and linen have a frequency of 5000 but should not be worn together because their frequencies go in opposite direction canceling the benefit out. Polyester and silk have a frequency close to a deadman or unwell person being around 15. As a fiber artist I love wool and angora(rabbit). Angora has a frequency of 5000 and is 7-10 times warmer than sheep wool when not wet. Sheep wool retains heat even while wet to some point. I’ve always wanted to spin and knit a onesy out of angora to slip into after arriving on top of a snowy cold mountain inside a tent. It would be the ultimate layer in that situation.:)
Hardly a "new craze" - Hilary and Tensing used Brinje on their first ascent of Everest. I've been using it for decades. Properly used a mesh base-layer is greatly superior in cold weather. But he's not using it properly - it's important to cap the mesh with a light, wicking, tight fitting top to trap the warm air. I use a fast-drying synthetic base-layer top with a deep zip, so I can quickly dump heat when required. Another advantage is the speed of drying if you do get wet. In my experience, a hand-wrung mesh top will dry completely on the body in under 20 minutes. This means you can wash it in any stream and put it back on. That way it doesn't stink up. On long treks, I simply wear it 24/7.
I've watched about a dozen of your videos, enjoyed every one. Hadn't subscribed yet. You always mention GGG, and I was always curious. Just visited their site and, I am in love!! Thank you for the hook up. I'm now subscribed to your channel like I should've already been!! My husband is built just like you and we're in the Sierra's (pretty warm) you really help me understand how to dress him. Not that he needs help dressing. But, gear has changed a lot in the last 30 years
I think the laboratory style tests are even more impressive in that they don’t include the effects of water being trapped in a solid base layer, which then requires energy to be evaporated. The overall energy savings may not be four times as much as a solid layer, but it’s definitely more than 20%.
Depends on the material, wool generates heat when it absorbs water, so absorbing sweat is actually an intentional part of how wool baselayers keep you warm.
@ that’s interesting. However is seems that the heat of vaporization of water is going to be 2 to 3 times higher than the amount of heat generated by the absorption of water into the wool.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 plus to get the water out of the wool you have to inject that same amount of energy to reverse the reaction when the water absorbs into the wool.
@@mbmurphy777 evaporation causes cooling, not heating. That's literally the point of sweat.
@@BurfieldPhoto1 that’s literally the entire point. Remember, you were arguing that wool can be warmer because it releases heat when it absorbs water. Well to reverse that process, it takes heat out of the system, and then to evaporate the water. It takes more heat out of the system, cooling the person.
We don’t want that. That’s why I was arguing initially that because the mesh layer doesn’t absorb a lot of water and allows water vapor to escape theoretically through the pit zips, there’s nothing in the garment to cool the person down once they stop moving because there’s nothing to evaporate.
Hello, love your work, thank you.
So, I have to say, it is interesting to see the "main stream" finally catch up to Wiggy's. Jerry has been selling this as a base layer for at least 30 years and its nice to see the validation!
Thank you.
In retrospect, the success of waffle fleece mids (like Patagonia's R1) suggest similar results....just applied to base layers.
An R1 Air and a breathable wind shell - Kor Airshell - are insanely useful in sub freezing hiking. I love that combo.
Mmmm waffles... And maple syrup...
Professional cyclist being using these for over 10 years. I've still got heaps of this stuff. Works great!!
Been used for hundreds of years in Norway. ( design changed over time a bit)
Old name translated, something like " Health- shirt"
Long story behind that name.
The old version, was white, And made of cotton.
There is a story, that Said officers in the navy, back when they had sailing ships,
Kept a clean ( boiled And sealed) inner shirt in a closet on the ship. They changed to it, when they sailed into battle. Having a clean inner shirt, increased your chanse of survival in battle, if you got wounded.
The sailers, could not afford a fancy inner spare shirt.
But, they could have a spare inner Mesh- shirt.
The " Health shirt"
And somehow, this shirt survived to modern times..
Yeah, I have a professor in History, in my family, And he likes to tell stories.. this is from my memory, And short version...
No, it means a coat of mail, i.e. chain mail. The same back into old norse.
When I served in the military in the mid 2000s, one of my superior sf officers used these all the time. Everyone laughed at him but he didn't care because he knew they worked
3:45 should we worry that he has a man-sized freezer available for use?
Right!
Plus, you're totally ready for that rave you just hiked to 😊
With the string vest and that beard you look like you might be about to break unto a rendition of “Y.M.C.A” at any moment.
So long as he isn't claiming it's a gay anthem otherwise Victor Willis will come for you
I used to use silk as the base layer. Super stuff.
0:52 I thought my airpods battery dead
Road workers used. to use cotton string vests in the 1960's, well understood to be effective, if sartorially ghastly, when top layers were removed. Interesting video.
You mannequin desperately need googly eyes
lol! I’ll see what i can do