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Maybe they'll make an adapter for the gm10500iETC to do the same thing. You would think that for twice the price, they would offer a two wire auto start solution instead of that unuseable 7 pin ats plug.
I just got this same genny 2 weeks ago. It is a brute. I max out the chargeverter @ 99 amps an 54 volts to charge my 6 lipo batteries. I haven't hooked up the dry contacts yet( I have to update firmware first on the eg4 3k), but that's the main reason I bought it. Glad to see you made a video about it.
Thanks for the feed back 👍🏼
That's some cool testing. I'm sure this will be much cheaper than those whole home generator options!
Yess! Exactly and soon there will be more models and hopefully more brands that add this. 👍🏼
Freaking awesome
You make really quality content. Nice work!!
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what do you know about the new generator models they have coming out?
They will be enclosed frame inverters and open frame as well but different sizes. I’ll be doing a video on them soon around middle March
@@johnnysweekends Am I going to regret just buying the GM11000IET? 😞
Very interesting!
Thanks for posting!
Your batteries are just 120 volt? Or 240 volt? Either way in a pinch these batteries would be great! That would be great for back feeding your house at night when you're trying to sleep during a power outage. Most generators are noisy & running them at night is rude for your neighbors.
The batteries are 51 volt but the inverter allows for 120/240 split. So it can be used for several different applications.
Really Cool!
I know this is a hard question to ask? What is the capacity of the batteries fully charged?
Reason being is I have a generator but my wife shuts it down at night & if we pulled the trigger on it? How long would it last running the house just on 120 volts for say the oil fired furnace & fridge/freezers & lights?
I'm curious to know if this is a viable option for us at night?
@johnclyne6350 This set is a 14.3 kWh battery with a 6000 watt inverter that can be set for 120/240v split phase if you need. This whole setup is a very reasonable price but may go go if tariffs hit. Most of us now do exactly that, run the generator for a couple hours before the evening and it will last a couple days depending on loads. Fridge, lights, blower for gas furnace. All depends how frugal but way better than leaving generator on all night burning fuel .
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@ Thank you! I would need to run that by the boss. She’s in charge of major purchases. I just make the money.
The other consideration for us is we purposely bought our house & all houses I have lived in including my parents homes-ironically were all on 3 phase back bone from the utility. What’s that mean? We hardly ever lose our lights. That’s the main feed coming out of a substation. When we do lose our power it’s only for a little while & then they are back on. Only exception is when the state gets battered by a big storm. When most of the state is flat. The longest we were ever out was for five days in the winter. It was a miserable 5 days because I was sick with bronchitis & the house temperature was 41 degrees. I was forced to take marine corp showers where the water temperature felt like I was being pelted with ice cubes. It sucked! Then I was forced to work suicide shifts as a lineman for our local power company. (This was before we bought our generator). Every time I got home from work my wife would badger me with questions about when we were next? I didn’t know? How would I know? They are a corporation.
The cost of the batteries are more than the cost of our generator. My wife served in the military & she is tough! She never complained each time we lost power. She adapted & overcame. She may think the battery right now is something we could live without? I’ll let you know if we decide to pull the trigger on that? Thank you for the coupon though!
When we installed our set up. It cost us $15,000. That’s for everything though. We have a roll out that is “super deluxe” by other people’s standard. We skipped going on three big vacations to float the work necessary to complete the work. The battery would constitute sacrificing another vacation. I’ll run it by her. No telling what she might say?
Thanks for posting. Keep up the great content!
Hi Johnny great information as always
In the uk we don’t have a 2 wire version yet we only have the maxpeedingrods generator but it has a 7 wire ats cable any idea if we can get that to auto start from just two wires ?
Yes you can but it will take some diy so find the correct two wires or maybe 3 that need to be used. Obviously you are voiding warranty by doing that.. sort of lol.
Hi thanks understood about warranty you don’t fancy doing a video on it do you ?
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Ideal thanks appreciate it the uk is always miles behind on new kit so frustrating
Well that was confusing. Understand your point though.
NO1 = Normally open 1 just so you know. next to that was NC1 aka Normally Closed 1.
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I suppose the question I have is say my small portable enclosed inverter generator says in the manual to have a 5-minute cool down period before shutting off the generator. This relay setup seems to be open the relay and the generator immediately shuts off. Does the EG4 hardware allow a cool-down period to be programmed in where it will stop drawing power from the generator before it opens the relay?
Something else to point out with the EG4 hardware and generators is the all-in-one units will not output 240V power when taking power from a 120V generator and the separate charger will have to slow its charge rate and work at a lower efficiency to draw power from a 120V generator.
I suppose at least with the cool down period, as long as you are working with simple relays, you could roll your own timer and relay where when the EG4 opens the relay, that will open connectors, cutting power to the EG4 hardware, and then have a delay timer to cut power to the generator that will reset say when generator power is lost without closing the relay to the generator until the EG4 closes its relay again. I suppose you could have a couple of relays where your delay timer is on a normally open relay and a relay to complete the circuit from the generator to the EG4 that is normally closed. The idea being:
1. Start up state - EG4 relay is open. Delay timer is inactive and its relay is open.
2. Turn on state - EG4 relay closes. Normally closed circuit relay between the EG4 and generator gets the signal to the generator to start. Delay timer gets power from generator, but is inhibited while getting generator power and seeing the EG4 relay closed. The delay timer when first powered on closes its relay to the generator and opens the relay from the EG4, switching it to a delay timer activation watch circuit.
3. Turn off beginning state - EG4 relay opens. This is now switched to the delay timer inhibit circuit, so opening it activates the delay timer. The delay timer is now inline with the generator relay, so the generator keeps running. The power relays to the EG4 also open at this point. The power relays are normally closed, but use an inversion to open when the relay to the EG4 is open.
4. Turn off ending state - The EG4 relay is still open. The delay timer finishes and opens the relay to the generator. The generator shuts off. With power off, the power relays close and the circuit relay between the EG4 and the generator close. It is all setup for the EG4 to close the relay again to fire up the generator again in the future.
It would be nice to have timed warm up and cool down. Hence chargeverter does give a little time verses going straight to set load.
No I don’t know if chargeverter also ramps down then shuts off as I’m still playing with it. Maybe those settings could be built into the generator from the manufacturer which would actually be easier. I’ll talk to them about that.
Now this does have 240v charging so you would still have 240v function. But yea the down fall of eg4 stuff verses a couple other options out there doesn’t have that issues. But again chargeverter still allows full function of 240v since you are charging battery direct
@@johnnysweekends It is totally not hard to build something like this into a generator, but they would need to make some design changes I would think. This seems to be a quick hack to provide the capability at all. And relay start/stop is a rather useful capability. I suppose one thing if the charger slowly ramps up as you say and then you set for maximum voltage cut-off, you could get into balancing cells in your battery bank, which the charge rate drops to almost nothing to do, and then you would have a cool-down period for the generator as the battery bank cells get balanced.
Something I think is interesting to point out is at least your classic data center doesn't do much of a warm-up period for the generators. I think it is something like the generators are expected to be taking full load within 30 seconds of a power outage. They even have fly-wheel backup power instead of batteries in a number of places as there basically is no time for warmup built in. Something they don't like to put backup power on are the cooling systems. So a lot of data centers really need the emergency generators online right away or else the whole place will go into thermal shut down. Maybe newer data centers they have this thought out better, but this is what I at least used to see. I have even seen where the generators kick on, but the place still goes into thermal shutdown because they didn't hook up generators to the cooling system, granted that was in Texas and I have seen some really bad stuff when it comes to data centers out there.
@ChaJ67 I will talk to a couple companies about this to have them look at a delay on the output when fired up and also a delay on the shut down when out put stops.
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@@johnnysweekends It makes total sense to me. My normal mode of operation is to first get the generator started, then hook up the extension cords. I intentionally do this to give the generator time to warm up as I don't want to prematurely wear out my generator. Apparently the data center operators I come across have lots of money and don't care, but I want my generator to last. Then again I also end up hooking up to my battery - inverter setup first and have capacity to go for a while off of batteries, so it is only longer outages where I go through the effort to get the generator going outside and running extension cords from it as that is a lot more effort than quickly plugging into a battery - inverter indoors. Also moving things over from the battery - inverter setup one short extension cord at a time as I bring in power from the generator on a single TT-30 extension cord and then branch out from a multi-outlet adapter, that more slowly ramps up the load on the generator. I keep the fridge on the battery - inverter as that draws large surge currents to start, which is hard on small generators. The battery - inverter setup draws a constant power from the generator to recharge the battery, which lets me put the generator into ECO mode as all of my other stuff is ECO mode friendly.
I always do the 5 minute cool down with ECO mode off as that is what the manual says and I don't want to damage things inside of that enclosed box by having super hot components suddenly have their airflow shut off. Cool that stuff down first and then seeing I am running on propane, close the valve to the propane tank.
I suppose this brings up a different thing, why don't data center operators use propane and natural gas dual fuel generators? For one it would be a lot cleaner than burning diesel fuel. I am sure in California, it would be far easier to get big backup generators running on propane and natural gas certified to use with businesses than diesel. Then diesel fuel goes bad after a while and these places tend to have their diesel fuel sit until it goes bad and then they have to get rid of all of that bad fuel somehow. I have been on campus during power outages and the whole place smells extremely fowl of diesel fumes when there is no wind making it hard to breath at all. I have to wonder how much of those fowl fumes are the diesel fuel is pretty disgusting by the time the power outage happens, just not quite enough to kill the generators, but enough to make it hard for organic life around to stay alive. If you had generators optimized for propane, but could also burn methane, you can up the compression ratio and then that engine will be more power dense than a gasoline optimized engine. The notion of propane and natural gas dual fuel is if there is a power outage, maybe you still have natural gas to the facility, but if disaster strikes and natural gas is lost, you can store propane for forever until the tanks need to be re-inspected, so you can have propane always available. Just maybe shuffle the propane around when it comes inspection time and then you almost never have to buy more propane. I mean this idea should be cheaper and easier for companies to implement, less red tape, more power dense engines, which should lower costs to purchase, and then lower fuel costs because the fuel never goes bad and often you will draw from a natural gas pipeline anyway, only occasionally drawing from the propane tanks.
@@johnnysweekends The logic I have for the warm-up and cool-down goes as follows:
1. Start up state - EG4 relay is open. Delay timer for cool down is inactive. Delay timer for warm up is inactive as it doesn't have power yet. Relay for main power to the EG4 is normally open, so open, no generator power to the EG4.
2. Turn on state - EG4 relay closes. Normally closed circuit relay between the EG4 and generator gets the signal to the generator to start. Delay timer for cool down gets power from the generator, but is inhibited while getting generator power and seeing the EG4 relay closed. Delay timer for warm-up is activated when it sees power from the generator. Generator power contacts to EG4 remains open while the warm-up delay timer counts down.
3. Main power turn on - Delay timer for warm-up completes and closes the relay to close the main power contacts. EG4 relay gets switched to the cool down delay timer inhibit circuit. It is no longer connected to the generator relay. The generator relay is hooked into the cool down delay timer, which keeps the relay closed.
4. Turn off beginning state. EG4 relay opens This is now switched to the cool down delay timer inhibit circuit, so opening it activates the cool down delay timer. The cool down delay timer is now inline with the generator relay, so the generator keeps running. Enabling the delay timer circuit opens a normally closed relay to activate the main power contacts, causing them to open, thus cutting off power from the generator to the EG4 / load.
5. Turn off ending state - The EG4 relay is still open. The cool down delay timer finishes and opens the relay to the generator. The generator shuts off. With the power off, the normally open relays open and the normally closed relays close. It is also assumed the timers used will reset their state. It is all setup for the EG4 to close the relay again to fire up the generator again in the future.
This could be mechanically simplified with a small embedded computer that also does the the delay timers. But it is important to have some normally open and normally closed relays so that things will reset to the right states to start back up with no initial power to the system.
Normally open 1.