In the original script, when Robin went to investigate Lyle Bolton's apartment, he walked into the criminal's closet which slammed shut behind him, trapping him there leading to him quipping "This will make a great headline. Boy wonder gets outsmarted by closet," before exploding his way out.
The original script contained a sequence in which Lock-Up started to piece together the conection between Batman and Bruce Wayne. "The two of them are fighting, and Lock-Up looks up at Batman and goes "You think I don't know your secret? You think I don't know the relationship between you and Bruce Wayne? He's funding you! I know he's funding you! The same way he's funding me to keep them locked up, he's funding you to catch them," recalls Skir. "And that got cut, but I love the idea that this guy was so twisted that he could actually figure out what Bruce Wayne was doing, but not make that vital connection that they're the same guy."
That’s a cool connection and pays props to Bruce’s alter ego as a playboy billionaire. I really love the idea that Bruce is so convincing as an irresponsible playboy that no one would ever think he’s the brooding heroic Dark Knight.
That would have been a great sequence. Reminds me of in the comics where Bruce made a straight public confession... that he found Batman's crusade to be admirable and bankrolled him.
Lock up is an original creation for the show but he was soon added to the comics in robin #24 in 1996 just a couple of years after this episode. Likewise he would go on to play a relatively important role in the no man’s land story as the warden batman temporarily put in charge of blackgate.
I think my favorite bit about Lyle Bolton is that his victims were mostly the more smaller and less physically powerful villains like The Ventriloquist, Scarecrow and Harley Quinn. I think it really shows that despite everything he makes himself out to be. He's more or less a big bully. Like if he tried to bully The Joker, Two-Face or any other of the more threatening villains he'd get a closed casket funeral
@@sansventura7199no, you see, that’s the point! He can’t touch any of the heaviest hitters because he wouldn’t be able to control them the way he can with Scarecrow, Harley and The Ventriloquist. It would be interesting to see how his behaviour would change when interacting with some of the more dangerous or physically intimidating villains, and it would also be cool to know what they think of him, when they’re not his actual victims.
The original pitch for this episode would have seen the Mad Hatter being taken back to Arkham as opposed to the Scarecrow. Skir commented on that saying "not the Mad Hatter. You bring the Scarecrow back, cause he's the master of fear, and if this guy's afraid, you know that whatever inside there is gonna be the most frightening thing ever." "And they came back with well, yeah, but we wanna work with Roddy," convinced by that logic, Skir went to work writing the scene for the Mad Hatter. However, it was changed to the Scarecrow when the script editors went in for rewrites.
Definitely not a coincidence that Bolton looks like a super-swole evil Bruce Wayne, even using his own cuffs on him. An original creation of this series, being Batman without the human heart, resorting to blaming anyone he can for the situation.
I think there was an early episode of yhe series with Hugo Strange, where he found out Batman's identity and tried to sell it to his enemies. I don't recall if he worked in Arkham in the episode
Bolton is one of the most sensible and yet awful results of a world of super villains. A guard who's watched innocent people, friends, family, coworkers, all suffer. And the villains keep walking free, and causing more suffering. Him becoming obsessed with keeping them locked up makes so much sense, and I feel like they could've easily given a tragic origin story involving a dead daughter or friend or something.
I mean I think that's the point. Bolton doesn't want to help anyone, he's just got a reason to hurt "bad" people and he likes it. Notice he's not actually going after the hard hitters, there's no Joker or Two Face he's messing with, he's only going after two bit henchmen, Harley who's just completely dependent, and Scarecrow who's physically weak and doesn't have his weapons on him. Bolton doesn't want to stop people suffering, he wants to be in charge and found a "moral" way to do that. Nothing more.
This definitely feels like that time the authors of the Punisher comics had to be like “Yeah, no, Punisher actually ISNT in favor of police violence, stop putting Punisher skull on your police vests you fucking weirdos.” Funny (or sad?) that this topic was as pertinent back when the episode aired as it is now.
Like Harley Quinn, the villain Lock-Up was originally created for the Animated Series (first appearing in this episode) and was later introduced into the DC comic universe.
It absolutely would never happen, but could you imagine a Modern Batman movie where the main villain is Lock-up, who basically embodies police brutality and the worst Batman takes?!
Dude went "it's all the fault of the liberal media" that is like an absolutely insane line that would be shot down instantly for a cartoon And by insane i mean insane to propose
@@matiaspereyra9392 I laughed at that line because the "fake news stuff" isn't new. This has always been a thing with people who view the media as the enemy. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Great reaction! It is very interesting to see your joint reactions to the films Batman Unlimited: Animal Instincts and Batman Unlimited: Monster Mayhem🔥
"well, as long as he's happy", you got to believe any prison guard set to do time in any prison would be put in isolation (usually for their own safety), of course i think Bolton would have it no other way.....he probably wouldn't even try to break out and would probably help detain any escaping prisoners during Gotham prisons monthly mass prison escapes, without trying to get out himself he is a very simple villain, but memorable and it does show the difference between Batman and other heroes and regular vigilantes or people just trying to extract revenge or feel powerful, there is a concern for the villains....which works for this show as virtually all the Rogues are mentally unwell you can make him a more complex villain, there is even a path to turn him into a redeemed antihero, where a former prison guard, stays in jail to make up for his crimes and keep an eye on prisoners, even protecting them from other bad guards,breaking out of jail only when one escapes or go even more over the top as a Suicide Squad member, he would love doing the work, he probably wouldn't even want to kill any other villain, just lock them away forever with him and his "justice"
That part where Lock-Up falls onto the life raft and bounces off, then Batman leaps down onto it and bounces off... reminds me so much of that Simpsons episode where Ned is saving the unconcious Homer from the burning Simpsons house onto the mattress. :P
You know what's funny. I thought of the Simpsons as well but the video game, Krusty fun house. It was a game played on the Nintendo system. He would bounce every where. It so much fun
Yeah but the Joker is the very VERY bloody exception. For every instance of an irredeemable monster in Arkham, there are five genuinely good people who just need help. Victor Fries, Harleen Quinzel, Basil Carlo, Oswald Cobblepot and Kirk Langstrum have all shown the capacity to change with the proper help
@@connorharnage6697 Fair point, but all the same, there are a lot of people who are just bad- among them being Jervis Tetch, Jonathan Crane, and Waylon Jones. Do I think empathy is necessary? yes. I also see where Lockdown is coming from- how many crappy people have gotten away with murder and worse for being charismatic or because people see them as "fighting the system?" Our news outlets praise felons and dictators for breaking the same rules that they condemn others for breaking in the same breath. (sorry I got a bit carried away, I stand by what I said but your point is well seen and Lockdown took things WAY too far.)
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In the original script, when Robin went to investigate Lyle Bolton's apartment, he walked into the criminal's closet which slammed shut behind him, trapping him there leading to him quipping "This will make a great headline. Boy wonder gets outsmarted by closet," before exploding his way out.
The original script contained a sequence in which Lock-Up started to piece together the conection between Batman and Bruce Wayne. "The two of them are fighting, and Lock-Up looks up at Batman and goes "You think I don't know your secret? You think I don't know the relationship between you and Bruce Wayne? He's funding you! I know he's funding you! The same way he's funding me to keep them locked up, he's funding you to catch them," recalls Skir. "And that got cut, but I love the idea that this guy was so twisted that he could actually figure out what Bruce Wayne was doing, but not make that vital connection that they're the same guy."
That’s a cool connection and pays props to Bruce’s alter ego as a playboy billionaire. I really love the idea that Bruce is so convincing as an irresponsible playboy that no one would ever think he’s the brooding heroic Dark Knight.
@zacharybartolo5111 even the people who find him suspicious can't connect the dots all the way
That would have been a great sequence. Reminds me of in the comics where Bruce made a straight public confession... that he found Batman's crusade to be admirable and bankrolled him.
The implication that Batman was part of the systemic criminal problem in Gotham is something I don't think anyone tackled before. That's amazing.
@@zacharybartolo5111 this version of Bruce Wayne is probably my favorite version of Bruce Wayne for the reason you point out.
Lock up is an original creation for the show but he was soon added to the comics in robin #24 in 1996 just a couple of years after this episode. Likewise he would go on to play a relatively important role in the no man’s land story as the warden batman temporarily put in charge of blackgate.
I think my favorite bit about Lyle Bolton is that his victims were mostly the more smaller and less physically powerful villains like The Ventriloquist, Scarecrow and Harley Quinn.
I think it really shows that despite everything he makes himself out to be. He's more or less a big bully. Like if he tried to bully The Joker, Two-Face or any other of the more threatening villains he'd get a closed casket funeral
Honestly that might be my only real gripe against the episode is that we don’t see him interact with villains higher up on the chain
@@sansventura7199no, you see, that’s the point! He can’t touch any of the heaviest hitters because he wouldn’t be able to control them the way he can with Scarecrow, Harley and The Ventriloquist. It would be interesting to see how his behaviour would change when interacting with some of the more dangerous or physically intimidating villains, and it would also be cool to know what they think of him, when they’re not his actual victims.
“Another fine villain made possible by a grant from the Wayne Foundation” and “Forget to pay a parking ticket” Robin had some good ones this episode
The original pitch for this episode would have seen the Mad Hatter being taken back to Arkham as opposed to the Scarecrow. Skir commented on that saying "not the Mad Hatter. You bring the Scarecrow back, cause he's the master of fear, and if this guy's afraid, you know that whatever inside there is gonna be the most frightening thing ever." "And they came back with well, yeah, but we wanna work with Roddy," convinced by that logic, Skir went to work writing the scene for the Mad Hatter. However, it was changed to the Scarecrow when the script editors went in for rewrites.
Definitely not a coincidence that Bolton looks like a super-swole evil Bruce Wayne, even using his own cuffs on him. An original creation of this series, being Batman without the human heart, resorting to blaming anyone he can for the situation.
Hugo strange was in this series already the ep was called the strange secret of Bruce Wayne
I think there was an early episode of yhe series with Hugo Strange, where he found out Batman's identity and tried to sell it to his enemies. I don't recall if he worked in Arkham in the episode
Bolton is one of the most sensible and yet awful results of a world of super villains.
A guard who's watched innocent people, friends, family, coworkers, all suffer. And the villains keep walking free, and causing more suffering.
Him becoming obsessed with keeping them locked up makes so much sense, and I feel like they could've easily given a tragic origin story involving a dead daughter or friend or something.
Honestly nah thats too cliche. I like keeping him as is, someone with a good point but does it to extremes.
I mean I think that's the point. Bolton doesn't want to help anyone, he's just got a reason to hurt "bad" people and he likes it.
Notice he's not actually going after the hard hitters, there's no Joker or Two Face he's messing with, he's only going after two bit henchmen, Harley who's just completely dependent, and Scarecrow who's physically weak and doesn't have his weapons on him.
Bolton doesn't want to stop people suffering, he wants to be in charge and found a "moral" way to do that. Nothing more.
This definitely feels like that time the authors of the Punisher comics had to be like “Yeah, no, Punisher actually ISNT in favor of police violence, stop putting Punisher skull on your police vests you fucking weirdos.”
Funny (or sad?) that this topic was as pertinent back when the episode aired as it is now.
I feel like it will always be relevant.
There were a lot of topics that were relevant back then that are even more relevant today.
as long as the people dont look beyond angry guy with guns, the punisher is gonna end up in such topics forever
Like Harley Quinn, the villain Lock-Up was originally created for the Animated Series (first appearing in this episode) and was later introduced into the DC comic universe.
It absolutely would never happen, but could you imagine a Modern Batman movie where the main villain is Lock-up, who basically embodies police brutality and the worst Batman takes?!
The Reeves Batman is going a bit more deconstructionalist... but yeah it probably won't happen. Too real.
Dude went "it's all the fault of the liberal media" that is like an absolutely insane line that would be shot down instantly for a cartoon
And by insane i mean insane to propose
@@matiaspereyra9392 I laughed at that line because the "fake news stuff" isn't new. This has always been a thing with people who view the media as the enemy. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Another example of a 90's TV series tackling topics we still argue over today.
Great reaction! It is very interesting to see your joint reactions to the films Batman Unlimited: Animal Instincts and Batman Unlimited: Monster Mayhem🔥
Policy Brutality Incarnate, yep that sums up Lyle Bolton/Lockup pretty well
I like lock up he's not super well known like other TAS creations but still a cool idea
Lock up was a TAS villain but introduced to the comics.
More point in Cataclysm story batman tolerated him holding inmates as police stretched thin
"well, as long as he's happy", you got to believe any prison guard set to do time in any prison would be put in isolation (usually for their own safety), of course i think Bolton would have it no other way.....he probably wouldn't even try to break out and would probably help detain any escaping prisoners during Gotham prisons monthly mass prison escapes, without trying to get out himself
he is a very simple villain, but memorable and it does show the difference between Batman and other heroes and regular vigilantes or people just trying to extract revenge or feel powerful, there is a concern for the villains....which works for this show as virtually all the Rogues are mentally unwell
you can make him a more complex villain, there is even a path to turn him into a redeemed antihero, where a former prison guard, stays in jail to make up for his crimes and keep an eye on prisoners, even protecting them from other bad guards,breaking out of jail only when one escapes or go even more over the top as a Suicide Squad member, he would love doing the work, he probably wouldn't even want to kill any other villain, just lock them away forever with him and his "justice"
That part where Lock-Up falls onto the life raft and bounces off, then Batman leaps down onto it and bounces off... reminds me so much of that Simpsons episode where Ned is saving the unconcious Homer from the burning Simpsons house onto the mattress. :P
You know what's funny. I thought of the Simpsons as well but the video game, Krusty fun house. It was a game played on the Nintendo system. He would bounce every where. It so much fun
Poor Harley, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lyle set back her rehabilitation a long time.
Did this guy go anywhere in DC media?
A Batman TH-camr did a deep dive, and sadly there's nothing much more of him. Like, 2 appearances in comics, one only background, and the other bland
Another amazing video
RIP Calvin
The man tortured a puppet
hope you guys consider watch the superman animated series eventually! i think its just as good as btas
Ya gotta admit Lockdown has a point. We all know Joker does it for the camera.
Yeah but the Joker is the very VERY bloody exception. For every instance of an irredeemable monster in Arkham, there are five genuinely good people who just need help. Victor Fries, Harleen Quinzel, Basil Carlo, Oswald Cobblepot and Kirk Langstrum have all shown the capacity to change with the proper help
@@connorharnage6697 Fair point, but all the same, there are a lot of people who are just bad- among them being Jervis Tetch, Jonathan Crane, and Waylon Jones. Do I think empathy is necessary? yes. I also see where Lockdown is coming from- how many crappy people have gotten away with murder and worse for being charismatic or because people see them as "fighting the system?" Our news outlets praise felons and dictators for breaking the same rules that they condemn others for breaking in the same breath.
(sorry I got a bit carried away, I stand by what I said but your point is well seen and Lockdown took things WAY too far.)
Batman always stands up to fascism. Gotta love it.
You guys are morbid today.
should have let him kill the joker tbh
Should still lock him up. Murder is murder but I don't think anyone would stop him from killing Joker first
Why are kids shows so political these days?
''these days'' lmao
This is from 1994...