so glad you guys made this video because it’s actually all i’ve been thinking about for months, artifact weapons did nothing wrong except leave our hands
they should have spun it as "you guys all sucked the essence out of your artifact weapons now your spirit imbues any future weapons with its power" and made it a huge talent tree of cosmetic effects, like green fire for locks etc. with maybe the capstone being power related, something simple like buffing an important spell
@@Ghostie34 I have always wanted the nightborne warrior and mage armor sets as transmogs. They're currently part of the model, but we have seen some npc outfits turned into transmogs lately, so I have no doubt Blizz can do it now. Some of the weapons are already available on the Legion timewalking vendor, though.
I was shocked at how fun Pandaria Remix was. Love that they are doing it again. I maxed every class even, bought all cosmetics and mounts. Very excited for the next one. Excellent suggestions for the next remix. I would love to unlock account-wide xmogs for all my artifact weapons, which I can't really do right now.
Yeah, I totally agree. I started Legion a little bit late by the time I got into it my guild was already pushing to do raids and stuff so I just kind of rushed through the quest lines and did some catch-up stuff to get my gear and item level high enough to do The Raids. So I always felt like the Legion was really cool, but I felt personally shortchanged like I got a half assed experience. There are so many different looks that I never obtained.. hopefully if they do remix, I’ll be able to jump in there and scoop up a lot of stuff that I missed
Fit perfectly how, Dracthyr were all in stasis/alseep during Legion. Wyrmrest temple has nothing to do with Dracthyr. Their order hall should be in the Forbidden reach somewhere. Maybe the buildings where we freed the Augmentation dragon (forgot her name). Make use of the new Teleport rings we unlocked in DF.
@@HavocR24 Either way the presence of Dracthyr is anachronistic and can only be justified with time travel, so using the Reach or Wyrmrest or te Bronze Dragonshrine would all be contrivances
Their order hall could be Timeways. They are connected to bronze flight by their draconic origin and given that Infinites are sending us back in time, they could house evokers in Timeways, because they were not around at the time.
Legion was the first time I mained a druid tank and I would love to feel that joy that MoP remix gave me once again. That first day in remix, I hadnt had so much fun in WoW in a long time, ended up staying up all night before I'd even realised it!
All that work on the appearances and they’re lost to time and the mage tower returning with the appearances usable after it ends would be a huge thing. I’d play the HELL out of that remix to get them all
Exactly. This is what my guild has all recommended use the artifact weapon as your new time cloak thing. If they don't want to give it the talent tree stuff back just have your artifact weapon as your big stat stick for the remix is totally fine. It would make your artifact weapon feel powerful and get people who missed legion a good feel of how amazing the weapons felt at the time.
totally, i want the Ashbringer to glow with Holy Light once again! and FFS Blizzard, dont create a low ceiling that remains long after players figure out how to break it...
@@charlespickering2726 The weapon would feel exactly like the cloak did. You won't really ever get to feel what they played like if the talents are all greyed out. If the weapons were to return, and played exactly like the cloak did, it'd be nothing more than a simulacra. The power from those weapons came from the relics and the talent nodes.
I agree with you 99% Taliesin. You are hitting all the right notes. A single currency was great, in my opinion. The feel bad of sacrificing vendor items to level gear was only real at launch when we got less bronze. When they upped the acquisition of bronze, I started a new character, maxed out their gear, and bought every vendor item in only 2 weeks. Still had nearly 2 months of time left to play god as a Demon Hunter with max speed. I could solo any content carrying friends and strangers in raid world tours. For simplicity, I would prefer only one currency and a promised freedom that I will be able to get everything. In terms of gear and gems, I didn't hate it. But I also won't be sad if it is gone. However, your idea of putting all of it in the artifact weapon is brilliant. Gear ilvl passively growing with artifact power is great! But let's take things a step further. Genshin Impact allows you to change the difficulty of the world, similar to how wow scales raid and dungeon difficulty. I want the freedom to gain infinite artifact power and have no cap to my gear ilvl. As I grow to god hood, I want the ability to tick up a scale to make the world harder. Loot is multiplied by the difficulty you are set to. I had forgotten about Legendaries. What if you could wear any class Legendary and we use class gems to aquire the spell necessary for the legendary? Original legion was single class focused making you the best mage or warrior. But remix could dip into multiclassing through legendaries and gems. Bronze -> Felmeralds
I'm not so sure that we'll get all of the mage tower appearances. Mists remix didn't allow us to get the challenge mode appearances, not for class sets, weapons or mounts. We did, however, get a recolor of those mounts, different class armors and weapons. I could see the same mage tower appearances not being available, but, we'll get recolors of our tier 2 armors, maybe a unique recolor of those mage tower appearances, just to distinguish the difference between og and remix, and maybe something else. These are my thoughts anyway.
Yes pls. The mage tower druid forms are basically the only thing I wanted but missed out on in Legion. Hopefully they do make those available so I can get rid of those blank spaces at the barber.
as a person who owns all of the MT druid forms I think its stupid that they're left at the barber for new players to see and be excited about only for them to find out they're unattainable. you don't see past glad mounts in the mount journal.
unfortunately it won't come back, if they didnt bring mop challenge mode sets back for mop remix then mage tower appearances wont be coming back for legion remix
TBH, this is my main disagreement with Taliesin in this video. If Blizzard wants to bring the Mage Tower appearances back (and I reckon they should), they should make them a reward from the Mage Tower in the main game again, and not tie them to a time-limited event like Remix. Just my two cents.
@@craig3850 mage tower should come back but make it another recolor - you can't recreate the difficulty just like the challenge mode sets...also, we don't need another plagued proto drake (available on black market) vs black proto drake (still WotLK era exclusive) situation again - they were both challenging to get in their own way so either they both are available to buy or neither should be
For an evoker order hall, we're doing all this with bronze dragons...our order hall could just be in the bronze timeway or something, and the portals take us to each zone! With some dedication, maybe we'll get our own stories and legendaries for each spec and not just shafted with 1 for all 3. I'd be pissed if druid had 4 while i was stuck with 1
It would take a ton of work so it likely won't be done, but honestly I think it would be amazing to actually create a Dracthyr order hall for Legion Remix. You can create any class that currently exists for remix content, and the people wanting to level an Evoker being the only ones who miss out on the fun of order halls would be just another reason for people to not play them. If we use the Bronze Dragonflight as our entry into Remix content like in Pandaria Remix, then they can just tie in the Dracthyr order hall that way, having the Bronze Dragonflight sending them back to achieve something important during this time and operating out of some reused location from Dragonflight like the central platform of the Murozond Megadungeon. This justification also means the order hall could then be transplanted into the main game afterwards for regular Legion content. And speaking of unlikely things, I really hope we get a surprise Tinker Class at some point in The War Within. In that case, a Tinker Order Hall would be awesome as well. Maybe in Mimiron's Workshop?
I know people would say its "lazy" but they could add several NPCS to that Starting Evoker "castle" thing they are in...have a room on the side and a portal to Dalaran.
At minimum, I hope they actually create 3 artifacts for Evokers, I don't play one, but it would feel really bad to me for it to not be made, and I feel like Evoker players would be OK foregoing an order hall/class story/class mount if they got a cool cosmetic on par with the Artifacts. I'm no dev but it seems fairly minimal effort IMO.
@@DillonStar yea for sure or a room in valdrak maybe a little make over and boom - order hall with reused assets. What I really hope we get are “order hall cosmetics” that we can then take over to the base game and add to player housing- easy class themed items to go with new player housing
I loooooved Remix in MoP and i am looking forward to Remix Legion more than Midnight tbh. I never got to experience real Legion (ik i won't in this either lol) but your ideas for it literally sound like the best shit ever and i really hope they do it just like that because it will be a massive party!
@darknessrex9211 yeah when I heard "Nighthold" I was like nah what, that doesn't happen in Nighthold? Then spent 5 minutes questioning my WoW knowledge 🤣
I love that Tali is likea kid in a candy store when doing these kind of videos and I love that, the exciment and speculation are kid like and I find that endeering! awesome vid, as always
I will say that I understand the Bronze dual purpose and mostly agree with it once they made earning bronze from more casual activities functional. I leveled lots of alts to level cap and then parked them. I earned all the bronze I needed for rewards by doing that without engaging with heroic/mythic raid content. I think it's a positive to have that option, but it maybe wasn't clear enough that the option existed.
Man, just seeing those orange threads again was enough to give me a bit of the 'ol dopamine. My biggest regret from MoP remix was not starting sooner, I think I joined with only about a month left.
Taliesin, one fundamental difference between Pandaria and Legeion is Mage Tower and Artifact appearances. And that includes actually earning the appearance and doing the battle on the spec required. I think that is vital for Legion Remix and should be included. And to make it possible there are 2 probable solutions: a) they let us play with our normal characters and much the less desirable alternative b) they keep the Panda system and we make a new character and buy all the artifact appearances in a deterministic way.
I was really hoping on WoD Remix focussed on all the dropped Shattrath content. There was SO much potential around that area that all got dropped during the expansion. Though I guess it'd be too expensive for Blizz to try and fix that now.
Same, I'm hoping the green links to Warlords of Draenor with Gul'dan and the start of the new Legion invasion. Didn't play WoD much, so would be nice to unlock all those transmogs/mounts. Would be nice not to skip an expansion for Remix.
I love every single one of your ideas! As for the mage tower I think they shouls just keep the current setup they have in live. It's working just fine and I love that it's always accessible
In MoP, there is a super rare drop in siege of orgrimmar that only drops for shamans: the dark kor’kron shaman vestments. Took me years of grinding just to get it. In MoP remix, you could not only buy the same armor but also buy 2 new recolors as well and they are all 3 usable by any classes (before they were shaman only). And honestly I am extremely happy they did that. With whatever remix they choose to do (still hoping for a WoD remix) I think any super rare transmogs should be available and also have a few recolors to them so that way if you already have it you can still get something nice and new and cool
Legion Remix will be awesome, no matter what. But I can't wait for Suramar (one of the best zones in the history of the game), the ability to unlock some mage tower appearances I never got to play with (especially the glowing cat forms for feral), and the return of the artifact weapons... including the artifact trees. YES PLEASE!
I hope we get the Suramar Zone & Story; I”m also hopeful it will not be time gated. Let me play the entire story line in one sitting if I wish… don’t make me wait.
If Blizz brought back my old TCG mounts and pets, there shouldn’t be a problem bringing back Legendary Weapon appearances. Even though I spent hours upon hours getting the Corrupted Ashbringer appearance. Hopefully they bring some New Transmogs and Mounts.
actually they might, this would be different because Mists Challenge Sets were merely a prototype for Mythic Sets. meanwhile the Mage Tower was it's own entity, within Legion, and if they reactivate the Mage Tower as it used to be with some obvious buffs, i could see them giving the sets as rewards.
I've got quite a few of the mage tower appearances from legion, but I think it would be good to make them available to everyone at this point. It would make Legion Remix all that more exciting for everyone to participate in, and I think it would have an overall positive effect on the wow community. I've had instances where I was running around in my sparkly druid cat form and was whispered by someone asking how they can get it for themselves, only having to tell them that it was no longer obtainable. I could tell how disappointed they were to find that out. Let's open them up for everyone and just have fun with it.
Biggest hope and let down for MoP remix was no challenge armour or recolours. Limited items are very cool, but by the time we have our hands on Legion Remix they will be nearing 10 years old. Iirc someone from WoW was quoted saying they want to make unobtainable items available for players again, so, keeping my fingers crossed!
Panda remix was great blasting thru the content. I think what they should do for mage tower is make it like the tusk’s currency and also add different tints but dont make it sweaty and it would be fine.
Scale up the mage tower to be a challenge even on maxed remix power to unlock original artifact appearances. Otherwise those appearances are available to buy/unlock in recolors
I could not be at the mage tower no matter how many tries and guides I watched so giving players the ability to buy the mage tower skins for every class and spec in the game added to the venders would be a dream come true for me
I like your suggestion for secondary currencies in addition to bronze, and I think that right there should be your answer for the Mage Tower appearances. Earn currency film the tower, don't change the difficulty, just make the currency earned from it a small amount and the appearances pricey. And maybe cap the number of runs and currency earned per week.
I had no idea this was coming, I haven't been able to pay attention to the updates. It's great to hear of a legion remix! I personally would love to see mage tower appearances purchasable for players who participate. I think 8 years is long enough to enjoy exclusivity. I have all of them from the mage tower, and I would like to see people enjoy what they like rather than show off their skill in a game. It's exciting to see it coming, Legion was a really really fun expansions and slight changes would make it even better like you suggested. Legendary vendors from the start and artifact weapons leveling together would be incredible.
I loved Pandaria Remix, and Legion was really where I started my WoW adventure, so I'm really looking forward to Legion Remix. I have no opinions on how they should do it, but I do hope they fix some of the less-than-ideal issues from Pandaria Remix. Great video, Tali.
Okay, what if instead of the OG weapons, we get a new one that changes appearance based on spec? 17:23 what if we started remix in an evoker orderhall? That is applied to retail after remix ends.
If we get Legion Remix I will be so happy! I missed the MoP Remix & I regret it! My friends had a blast playing it! I really hope this happens! I hope they permanently keep Class Order Halls in game! We should go there outside of time at level ten & get to keep the Artifact weapons! I agree with you on this!!!
Love every idea you have for this, I hope it winds up exactly like this. As for Mage Tower, I agree it’d either be trivialized or become an obstacle counter to the idea of Remix collecting. I think it’d be best to leave it in and let it be trivial for people to experience some of the fights for classes/specs they aren’t masters of, and just let the appearance unlocks that go with them be available for all classes after doing it once. They already made new alternate appearances for the revamped Mage Tower; those can be the new prestige appearances.
I remember hours of plaguelands fishing for the ret secret appearance of corrupted ashbringer: Let people buy it for bronze. I still have the memory, fishing with other paladins - that doesn't go away. I don't want legion remix to add to the fomo for collectors like myself going "I need X time of remix for rng or dying in mage tower when there is so much to unlock" I got everything in pandaria remix (bar a couple mounts or the tusks - playing solo and didn't use bronze to upgrade enough to solo raids) but it was pretty close to the end. I'd like it to be a lil more comfortable / generous. Cheers for the video, love the idea of the artifacts having the player power all juiced into them in one go ❤
The upgrading and item buying should definitely have been two currenices...and considering there's two time-based flights involved there was no real good reason that next time they could use Bronze coins to buy items, and Inifite coins to upgrade gear. Or visa versa, who cares, imo, that would work pretty well. Both drop from everything you do, why not! It's a Remix!
This is probably more complicated than I’d expect: but I’d really appreciate an NPC that let you move a character from remix to live earlier than the event end.
As someone who completed many but not all mage tower challenges, instead of making the old ones obtainable again, make a new color tint available exclusive to remix, like they did with the Fel Werebear druid form more recently. That way it would be exciting and rewarding for everyone in my opinion!
So looking forward to this no expansion was as fun ‘the legion’s back crush them’ every cinematic upped the stakes at each turn and loads of lime green my favourite colour 😁
The only things they need to make Legion great again: 1) Give us a way to earn OG Mage Tower rewards (I want my sparkle cat), similar to the Hellscream shoulders. 2) Actually release real Suramar gear instead of recolored Draenor scraps... again.
We didn't get the Challenge mode armors back in MoP Remix. So we shouldn't get them back either. Maybe a different version, or other rewards, but not the OG ones. The Tusks never left the game, so it is not similar.
My idea for a Remix Mage Tower: doing a challenge unlocks all of the associated appearances. E.g., completing Xylem gets you Survival, Frost DK, Havoc, Arms, and Subtlety. And yeah, make them recolors of the originals to keep those as prestige items, but new colors for them so you're not locked out of some cool looking gear.
I’m a casual player and I’m afraid I may be lucky to explore maybe a third of whatever has you so excited, so I’m glad I saw this as it’s the only way I will experience any of this.
Only you guys could open the video with SUCH a terrifying "Imagine this" (like, talk about Horrific Visions!), and still make me laugh and smile. Never ever change, it's not allowed
Tali i'll discord from you in some aspects: 1: Mage Tower could return with some kind of "stat template" so we just don't one-shot everything. It would be hard to balance since we won't have stat gains from gear farm (I myself just got to finish those fight with 7.3 gear), but I think is doable. 2: I think not every appearance should be buyable with bronze, but rewarded via achievs. Legion have so much content that many players could miss some of it (like deaths of chromie, withered scenario, the suramar endgame campaign), so I think put some of the rewards on them could be a great way to guide the players to that content. There are many stuff in Legion that i could have missed it if wasn't for the artifact appearances.
I hope Order Halls make their way back into the game, hopefully in Midnight or The Last Titan. They should be an evergreen feature tbh, maybe have some daily and weekly quests where you can earn rewards specific to your class. They could just do so much with them.
if an appearance is really rare, they could put it out again but with a different name, or just put "replica" at the end of the name, so anyone could inspect you and see if you had the original or not
The weapons in MOP remix WERENT on the vendor. They were RNG drops from world, dungeon and raid content. That was bad as some weapons only dropped for certain classes.
demon hunter draenei that use the winged/tailed eredar models would be a killer announcement. Imagine that hulking mass of red and green tentacles fel rushing at you XD
I really hope they do accountwide progression for gear upgrades, especially since there's so much class specific content in Legion. People are going to want to be using this as an opportunity to do things like unlocking class mounts or seeing class campaigns they never did, but won't want to start over on a weak character if their remix main is already super powerful.
When they split the currency for ‘cosmetic’ and ‘player power’ in Legion Remix and Taliesin gets done buying up all the cosmetics off the vendor and watches the unusable currency pile up in his bag and makes a whole weekly show about how he should ‘really be allowed to convert the currency over because it “feels bad” and “let players choose, stop hand holding, blizz”’blizzard should allow currency conversion for everyone except Tali. Or better yet, split the currency for Taliesin and Taliesin only. No one tell him. Honestly, blizzard finally did the right thing by having one currency and letting people choose. They completely headed off the inevitable complaints about currency being locked into the side of content they are not interested in and Blizzard still can’t win.
I hope the overpoweredness they give us in legion remix is related to our classes/ characters and their abilities. When people had really high gems in remix, it took away from the unique and great class design. It felt bad to play an arms warrior and get into execute just to see an enemy explode because of someones gem. The most fun gems in my opinion as a dps were the ones that did damage to you for a benefit paired with the vengeance gem. A fury warrior could leverage their innate self sustain to do more damage. In all i just hope they really focus on making their great class design shine while still allowing players to be op Edit: on a further note, it would be great to see them impliment m+ into thia event. Being able to do infinitely scaling content as you also are scaling to arpg numbers sounds amazing.
I'd enjoy Mage Tower, and I think the idea of a standardized gear is a good one. Maybe it's not AS challenging as it once was, but it still allows people who couldn't or didn't enjoy it back in the day get the gist.
A Bronze Dragonflight and an Infinite Dragonflight skin for all of the existing Artifact models would be awesome. That plus re-enabling the time-gated models that we can't unlock at the moment would guarantee me time-sinking this game mode.
Wherever the infinite dragons and the bronze show up (probably within dalaran) that spacetime bubble that theyd exist in could double as the evoker "orderhall" location in this line of thought where the bronze would give them an artifact off the bat. just like how from an outside perspective they people would look like the citizens wandering dalaran from within theyd be timewalkers or something like that.
My Legion regret is not going back to do that Resto Druid Mage tower for that gorgeous staff. I would loooooove the opportunity to get it, even if it was a recolor. I won't hold my breath, but man, I kick myself on the regular for not getting it.
Loving your ideas for this and really hoping Blizz have similar thoughts and plans!! Hyped for Artifact weapon possibilities!! Another thing i'd really love to see is at least the other 2 Elf races given the Demon hunter Class! I think Void Elf DH's and Nightborne DH's would be an awesome addition!! - If they chose to also include other races too i'd be super happy too lol but the Elf races would be great by themselves! Demon Hunters customisation need more love from Blizz ;)
Withered Army Training is going to be a dream to do again. I'm so sad we've never gotten anything like it since. That was one of the best Legion features. Oh and I BETTER be able to get those Xavius shoulders. I've farmer Xavius as many times as Tali farmed Garrosh for his, and only ever seen them drop once, and that was for a guildie during our progression 8 years ago.
Amazing and terrifying at the same time. They need to put an envelope with an invitation for the fox on the vendor or something, I just can't do the withered army training anymore because I've done it so many times already...
I would love a Legion remix. I ran every class through all of the artifacts. Yep. No life. I was in it for the mounts :D I tried the mage tower thing. I tried. And tried. I never got through it a single time. I love the game but I simply suck at it because I'm generally slow in response time. So I have to KNOW a fight from start to finish if I'm going to have any success. So I also suck at PVP, of course. I would love to be able to get the Manbear artifact appearance. I still use many of the artifacts as transmoggs so the expansion holds a lot of nostalgia for me.
I hope the class Halls are fully open to start with the table as well. That took longer than a few months to get up and get there. I wonder if class mounts will come back too and be one and done account wide.
so glad you guys made this video because it’s actually all i’ve been thinking about for months, artifact weapons did nothing wrong except leave our hands
It was a mistake to make artifact weapons a limited time only thing in the expansion. I wanted the artifact power to last forever...
Artifact weapons cool. Artifact power grind not cool. Should be revisited and revised.
@@HawkknightXC88 Kinda lame that you have to use only one weapon per spec. More items=more fun
they should have spun it as "you guys all sucked the essence out of your artifact weapons now your spirit imbues any future weapons with its power" and made it a huge talent tree of cosmetic effects, like green fire for locks etc. with maybe the capstone being power related, something simple like buffing an important spell
The grind to level them was absolutely unacceptable(I did it anyway), that said it's by far my favorite expansion.
Hoping that Legion Remix gives us transmogs for Suraman civilian clothing. we need that so bad
Is there more transmog we haven't gotten from Legion? Original Warden Armor?
For a moment I have read it : Saruman civilian clothing. How good would it be?
Male.
Long sleeves.
Potions.
Vest.
Huge dink.
Also valtrois’s shoulders that float and the warrior npcs that have cool floaty glowy armor and weapons
@@Ghostie34 I have always wanted the nightborne warrior and mage armor sets as transmogs. They're currently part of the model, but we have seen some npc outfits turned into transmogs lately, so I have no doubt Blizz can do it now. Some of the weapons are already available on the Legion timewalking vendor, though.
Tali - "Argus appears once Nighthold is completed"
Tomb of Sargeras - "Am I a joke to you...."
I was shocked at how fun Pandaria Remix was. Love that they are doing it again. I maxed every class even, bought all cosmetics and mounts. Very excited for the next one.
Excellent suggestions for the next remix. I would love to unlock account-wide xmogs for all my artifact weapons, which I can't really do right now.
Yeah, I totally agree. I started Legion a little bit late by the time I got into it my guild was already pushing to do raids and stuff so I just kind of rushed through the quest lines and did some catch-up stuff to get my gear and item level high enough to do The Raids. So I always felt like the Legion was really cool, but I felt personally shortchanged like I got a half assed experience. There are so many different looks that I never obtained.. hopefully if they do remix, I’ll be able to jump in there and scoop up a lot of stuff that I missed
17:38 They have an excellent option for their order hall. Wyrmrest Temple. It would fit perfectly, then all that's left is the story.
Either that or a version of the Forbidden Reach!
Wrymrest Temple would be a good place for the dracthyr.
Fit perfectly how, Dracthyr were all in stasis/alseep during Legion. Wyrmrest temple has nothing to do with Dracthyr. Their order hall should be in the Forbidden reach somewhere. Maybe the buildings where we freed the Augmentation dragon (forgot her name). Make use of the new Teleport rings we unlocked in DF.
@@HavocR24 Either way the presence of Dracthyr is anachronistic and can only be justified with time travel, so using the Reach or Wyrmrest or te Bronze Dragonshrine would all be contrivances
Their order hall could be Timeways. They are connected to bronze flight by their draconic origin and given that Infinites are sending us back in time, they could house evokers in Timeways, because they were not around at the time.
Legion was the first time I mained a druid tank and I would love to feel that joy that MoP remix gave me once again. That first day in remix, I hadnt had so much fun in WoW in a long time, ended up staying up all night before I'd even realised it!
You're getting me super hyped for something that's only going to happen in a years time.
All that work on the appearances and they’re lost to time and the mage tower returning with the appearances usable after it ends would be a huge thing. I’d play the HELL out of that remix to get them all
If they do legion remix, they should use the artifact weapons and account wide progress instead of the cloak.
Exactly. This is what my guild has all recommended use the artifact weapon as your new time cloak thing. If they don't want to give it the talent tree stuff back just have your artifact weapon as your big stat stick for the remix is totally fine. It would make your artifact weapon feel powerful and get people who missed legion a good feel of how amazing the weapons felt at the time.
totally, i want the Ashbringer to glow with Holy Light once again! and FFS Blizzard, dont create a low ceiling that remains long after players figure out how to break it...
@@charlespickering2726 The weapon would feel exactly like the cloak did. You won't really ever get to feel what they played like if the talents are all greyed out. If the weapons were to return, and played exactly like the cloak did, it'd be nothing more than a simulacra. The power from those weapons came from the relics and the talent nodes.
The artifact weapons being the cloak as it was in mop remix. Tali is really just putting this one a platter for blizz
I agree with you 99% Taliesin. You are hitting all the right notes.
A single currency was great, in my opinion. The feel bad of sacrificing vendor items to level gear was only real at launch when we got less bronze. When they upped the acquisition of bronze, I started a new character, maxed out their gear, and bought every vendor item in only 2 weeks. Still had nearly 2 months of time left to play god as a Demon Hunter with max speed. I could solo any content carrying friends and strangers in raid world tours. For simplicity, I would prefer only one currency and a promised freedom that I will be able to get everything.
In terms of gear and gems, I didn't hate it. But I also won't be sad if it is gone. However, your idea of putting all of it in the artifact weapon is brilliant. Gear ilvl passively growing with artifact power is great! But let's take things a step further.
Genshin Impact allows you to change the difficulty of the world, similar to how wow scales raid and dungeon difficulty. I want the freedom to gain infinite artifact power and have no cap to my gear ilvl. As I grow to god hood, I want the ability to tick up a scale to make the world harder. Loot is multiplied by the difficulty you are set to.
I had forgotten about Legendaries. What if you could wear any class Legendary and we use class gems to aquire the spell necessary for the legendary? Original legion was single class focused making you the best mage or warrior. But remix could dip into multiclassing through legendaries and gems.
Bronze -> Felmeralds
I'm not so sure that we'll get all of the mage tower appearances. Mists remix didn't allow us to get the challenge mode appearances, not for class sets, weapons or mounts. We did, however, get a recolor of those mounts, different class armors and weapons. I could see the same mage tower appearances not being available, but, we'll get recolors of our tier 2 armors, maybe a unique recolor of those mage tower appearances, just to distinguish the difference between og and remix, and maybe something else.
These are my thoughts anyway.
Yes pls. The mage tower druid forms are basically the only thing I wanted but missed out on in Legion. Hopefully they do make those available so I can get rid of those blank spaces at the barber.
as a person who owns all of the MT druid forms I think its stupid that they're left at the barber for new players to see and be excited about only for them to find out they're unattainable. you don't see past glad mounts in the mount journal.
unfortunately it won't come back, if they didnt bring mop challenge mode sets back for mop remix then mage tower appearances wont be coming back for legion remix
TBH, this is my main disagreement with Taliesin in this video. If Blizzard wants to bring the Mage Tower appearances back (and I reckon they should), they should make them a reward from the Mage Tower in the main game again, and not tie them to a time-limited event like Remix. Just my two cents.
@@craig3850 mage tower should come back but make it another recolor - you can't recreate the difficulty just like the challenge mode sets...also, we don't need another plagued proto drake (available on black market) vs black proto drake (still WotLK era exclusive) situation again - they were both challenging to get in their own way so either they both are available to buy or neither should be
I want that fuckin werebear and I don't care who blizzard has to make cry for me to get it
For an evoker order hall, we're doing all this with bronze dragons...our order hall could just be in the bronze timeway or something, and the portals take us to each zone! With some dedication, maybe we'll get our own stories and legendaries for each spec and not just shafted with 1 for all 3.
I'd be pissed if druid had 4 while i was stuck with 1
It would take a ton of work so it likely won't be done, but honestly I think it would be amazing to actually create a Dracthyr order hall for Legion Remix. You can create any class that currently exists for remix content, and the people wanting to level an Evoker being the only ones who miss out on the fun of order halls would be just another reason for people to not play them. If we use the Bronze Dragonflight as our entry into Remix content like in Pandaria Remix, then they can just tie in the Dracthyr order hall that way, having the Bronze Dragonflight sending them back to achieve something important during this time and operating out of some reused location from Dragonflight like the central platform of the Murozond Megadungeon. This justification also means the order hall could then be transplanted into the main game afterwards for regular Legion content.
And speaking of unlikely things, I really hope we get a surprise Tinker Class at some point in The War Within. In that case, a Tinker Order Hall would be awesome as well. Maybe in Mimiron's Workshop?
I know people would say its "lazy" but they could add several NPCS to that Starting Evoker "castle" thing they are in...have a room on the side and a portal to Dalaran.
At minimum, I hope they actually create 3 artifacts for Evokers, I don't play one, but it would feel really bad to me for it to not be made, and I feel like Evoker players would be OK foregoing an order hall/class story/class mount if they got a cool cosmetic on par with the Artifacts. I'm no dev but it seems fairly minimal effort IMO.
@@commandershepard7728 Honestly, can't imagine anything feeling more correct for their Order Hall than that zone.
@@DillonStar yea for sure or a room in valdrak maybe a little make over and boom - order hall with reused assets.
What I really hope we get are “order hall cosmetics” that we can then take over to the base game and add to player housing- easy class themed items to go with new player housing
no cuz they wasnt part of legion
I loooooved Remix in MoP and i am looking forward to Remix Legion more than Midnight tbh. I never got to experience real Legion (ik i won't in this either lol) but your ideas for it literally sound like the best shit ever and i really hope they do it just like that because it will be a massive party!
Um Tali, Argus was in the sky after Tomb of Sargeras. Because we jump onto KJ's ship on its way to Argus
This was coming to make sure i wasnt crazy
@darknessrex9211 yeah when I heard "Nighthold" I was like nah what, that doesn't happen in Nighthold? Then spent 5 minutes questioning my WoW knowledge 🤣
I love that Tali is likea kid in a candy store when doing these kind of videos and I love that, the exciment and speculation are kid like and I find that endeering! awesome vid, as always
I will say that I understand the Bronze dual purpose and mostly agree with it once they made earning bronze from more casual activities functional. I leveled lots of alts to level cap and then parked them. I earned all the bronze I needed for rewards by doing that without engaging with heroic/mythic raid content. I think it's a positive to have that option, but it maybe wasn't clear enough that the option existed.
Man, just seeing those orange threads again was enough to give me a bit of the 'ol dopamine. My biggest regret from MoP remix was not starting sooner, I think I joined with only about a month left.
Taliesin, one fundamental difference between Pandaria and Legeion is Mage Tower and Artifact appearances. And that includes actually earning the appearance and doing the battle on the spec required. I think that is vital for Legion Remix and should be included. And to make it possible there are 2 probable solutions: a) they let us play with our normal characters and much the less desirable alternative b) they keep the Panda system and we make a new character and buy all the artifact appearances in a deterministic way.
I was really hoping on WoD Remix focussed on all the dropped Shattrath content. There was SO much potential around that area that all got dropped during the expansion. Though I guess it'd be too expensive for Blizz to try and fix that now.
Same, I'm hoping the green links to Warlords of Draenor with Gul'dan and the start of the new Legion invasion. Didn't play WoD much, so would be nice to unlock all those transmogs/mounts. Would be nice not to skip an expansion for Remix.
I love every single one of your ideas! As for the mage tower I think they shouls just keep the current setup they have in live. It's working just fine and I love that it's always accessible
nice pfp
@@GooseGuzzy Back at you!
I missed the pandaria and legion expansion, and I like the remix pandaria, so I am hype by this
I would like to add this would also be the perfect time to expand the Demon Hunter class to the rest of the races.
In MoP, there is a super rare drop in siege of orgrimmar that only drops for shamans: the dark kor’kron shaman vestments. Took me years of grinding just to get it. In MoP remix, you could not only buy the same armor but also buy 2 new recolors as well and they are all 3 usable by any classes (before they were shaman only).
And honestly I am extremely happy they did that. With whatever remix they choose to do (still hoping for a WoD remix) I think any super rare transmogs should be available and also have a few recolors to them so that way if you already have it you can still get something nice and new and cool
I’m getting hyped for Legion Remix watching your video. I really hope they will implement your suggested improvements. That would be epic.
Legion was the only expansion I never played. I will absolutely be playing the hell out of that.
You missed out, should've stopped with WoD instead and came back for Legion :P
Should be sooo fun for you then!
Legion Remix will be awesome, no matter what. But I can't wait for Suramar (one of the best zones in the history of the game), the ability to unlock some mage tower appearances I never got to play with (especially the glowing cat forms for feral), and the return of the artifact weapons... including the artifact trees. YES PLEASE!
I hope we get the Suramar Zone & Story; I”m also hopeful it will not be time gated. Let me play the entire story line in one sitting if I wish… don’t make me wait.
Some great ideas! Hope they listen!
I agree. AND I NEED ALL DRUID FORMS AVAILABLE AGAIN!!! PLEASE!!!!!!
I really really enjoyed this one!
PS: great timing for the stormwind music during the mage tower talk!
If Blizz brought back my old TCG mounts and pets, there shouldn’t be a problem bringing back Legendary Weapon appearances. Even though I spent hours upon hours getting the Corrupted Ashbringer appearance.
Hopefully they bring some New Transmogs and Mounts.
I LOVED remix, I shouldve started earlier so I got the Garrosh Shoulders but I know Im gonna be going heavy on the Legion Remix, i want it all
The wouldn't give us the challenge sets in mists remix... no way in heck there going to give us the mage tower appearances.
good point
These things are different
actually they might, this would be different because Mists Challenge Sets were merely a prototype for Mythic Sets. meanwhile the Mage Tower was it's own entity, within Legion, and if they reactivate the Mage Tower as it used to be with some obvious buffs, i could see them giving the sets as rewards.
@ also the Mage Tower still exists in arguably a more challenging form. Challenge Modes were similar to M+ but were a different system entirely
Only will work if you get scaled down properly i.e. without the remix power.
I've got quite a few of the mage tower appearances from legion, but I think it would be good to make them available to everyone at this point. It would make Legion Remix all that more exciting for everyone to participate in, and I think it would have an overall positive effect on the wow community. I've had instances where I was running around in my sparkly druid cat form and was whispered by someone asking how they can get it for themselves, only having to tell them that it was no longer obtainable. I could tell how disappointed they were to find that out. Let's open them up for everyone and just have fun with it.
Biggest hope and let down for MoP remix was no challenge armour or recolours. Limited items are very cool, but by the time we have our hands on Legion Remix they will be nearing 10 years old. Iirc someone from WoW was quoted saying they want to make unobtainable items available for players again, so, keeping my fingers crossed!
Panda remix was great blasting thru the content. I think what they should do for mage tower is make it like the tusk’s currency and also add different tints but dont make it sweaty and it would be fine.
Legion is my fav xpac, pls blizz, just PLEASE.
Scale up the mage tower to be a challenge even on maxed remix power to unlock original artifact appearances. Otherwise those appearances are available to buy/unlock in recolors
I could not be at the mage tower no matter how many tries and guides I watched so giving players the ability to buy the mage tower skins for every class and spec in the game added to the venders would be a dream come true for me
I like your suggestion for secondary currencies in addition to bronze, and I think that right there should be your answer for the Mage Tower appearances. Earn currency film the tower, don't change the difficulty, just make the currency earned from it a small amount and the appearances pricey. And maybe cap the number of runs and currency earned per week.
I had no idea this was coming, I haven't been able to pay attention to the updates. It's great to hear of a legion remix! I personally would love to see mage tower appearances purchasable for players who participate. I think 8 years is long enough to enjoy exclusivity. I have all of them from the mage tower, and I would like to see people enjoy what they like rather than show off their skill in a game. It's exciting to see it coming, Legion was a really really fun expansions and slight changes would make it even better like you suggested. Legendary vendors from the start and artifact weapons leveling together would be incredible.
Great video, I appreciate the thought you put into this, good luck to the devs on legion. It’s a special one.
I loved Pandaria Remix, and Legion was really where I started my WoW adventure, so I'm really looking forward to Legion Remix. I have no opinions on how they should do it, but I do hope they fix some of the less-than-ideal issues from Pandaria Remix. Great video, Tali.
Okay, what if instead of the OG weapons, we get a new one that changes appearance based on spec?
17:23 what if we started remix in an evoker orderhall? That is applied to retail after remix ends.
If we get Legion Remix I will be so happy! I missed the MoP Remix & I regret it! My friends had a blast playing it! I really hope this happens! I hope they permanently keep Class Order Halls in game! We should go there outside of time at level ten & get to keep the Artifact weapons! I agree with you on this!!!
I am so onboard with about 99% of what you've laid out here. Brilliant! Yes. Absolutely.
Love every idea you have for this, I hope it winds up exactly like this. As for Mage Tower, I agree it’d either be trivialized or become an obstacle counter to the idea of Remix collecting. I think it’d be best to leave it in and let it be trivial for people to experience some of the fights for classes/specs they aren’t masters of, and just let the appearance unlocks that go with them be available for all classes after doing it once. They already made new alternate appearances for the revamped Mage Tower; those can be the new prestige appearances.
Evitel, your Squarespace ads are informative and fun. Very relatable. Time to finish the video I opened to procrastinate…
I remember hours of plaguelands fishing for the ret secret appearance of corrupted ashbringer:
Let people buy it for bronze. I still have the memory, fishing with other paladins - that doesn't go away.
I don't want legion remix to add to the fomo for collectors like myself going "I need X time of remix for rng or dying in mage tower when there is so much to unlock"
I got everything in pandaria remix (bar a couple mounts or the tusks - playing solo and didn't use bronze to upgrade enough to solo raids) but it was pretty close to the end. I'd like it to be a lil more comfortable / generous.
Cheers for the video, love the idea of the artifacts having the player power all juiced into them in one go ❤
The upgrading and item buying should definitely have been two currenices...and considering there's two time-based flights involved there was no real good reason that next time they could use Bronze coins to buy items, and Inifite coins to upgrade gear. Or visa versa, who cares, imo, that would work pretty well.
Both drop from everything you do, why not! It's a Remix!
ABT was my favorite raid tier. I can’t explain it, I just loved it
Class halls were my favourite thing in wow for a long time. I loved artifact weapons as well, so bring it on !
Artifact Legion system was so much better than the azerite neckless if the Artifact power system was back in remix. I 100% would play it.
To this day, I still cant believe they thought the necklace was a good replacement. Wtf lol.
This is probably more complicated than I’d expect: but I’d really appreciate an NPC that let you move a character from remix to live earlier than the event end.
I see no problem in that if they get converted to proper gear and stripped out of all the Legion remix stuff like in MoP remix.
The memes at the intro 😂
I agree! With all of it
As someone who completed many but not all mage tower challenges, instead of making the old ones obtainable again, make a new color tint available exclusive to remix, like they did with the Fel Werebear druid form more recently. That way it would be exciting and rewarding for everyone in my opinion!
So looking forward to this no expansion was as fun ‘the legion’s back crush them’ every cinematic upped the stakes at each turn and loads of lime green my favourite colour 😁
The only things they need to make Legion great again:
1) Give us a way to earn OG Mage Tower rewards (I want my sparkle cat), similar to the Hellscream shoulders.
2) Actually release real Suramar gear instead of recolored Draenor scraps... again.
We didn't get the Challenge mode armors back in MoP Remix. So we shouldn't get them back either. Maybe a different version, or other rewards, but not the OG ones. The Tusks never left the game, so it is not similar.
Legion was truly peak WoW. I never thought it could get better after Wrath, especially after Warlords, but the Legion era was a new golden age.
Finally, someone makes the "assuming we're still alive" joke I make for ANYTHING that "assumes tomorrow" in this day and age!
Nah overdramatic
Amazing video!!! I agree fullly on your takes and I hope this is how it happens!
Why you are a not a designer for Blizz I'll never know. Great ideas already looking forward to gathering all the artifact looks for ever single class!
My idea for a Remix Mage Tower: doing a challenge unlocks all of the associated appearances. E.g., completing Xylem gets you Survival, Frost DK, Havoc, Arms, and Subtlety. And yeah, make them recolors of the originals to keep those as prestige items, but new colors for them so you're not locked out of some cool looking gear.
I’m a casual player and I’m afraid I may be lucky to explore maybe a third of whatever has you so excited, so I’m glad I saw this as it’s the only way I will experience any of this.
Only you guys could open the video with SUCH a terrifying "Imagine this" (like, talk about Horrific Visions!), and still make me laugh and smile. Never ever change, it's not allowed
*complete the Tomb of Sargeras raid, BOOM, Argus in the sky
Besides that, splendid ideas for an eventual Legion:Remix
Tali i'll discord from you in some aspects:
1: Mage Tower could return with some kind of "stat template" so we just don't one-shot everything. It would be hard to balance since we won't have stat gains from gear farm (I myself just got to finish those fight with 7.3 gear), but I think is doable.
2: I think not every appearance should be buyable with bronze, but rewarded via achievs. Legion have so much content that many players could miss some of it (like deaths of chromie, withered scenario, the suramar endgame campaign), so I think put some of the rewards on them could be a great way to guide the players to that content. There are many stuff in Legion that i could have missed it if wasn't for the artifact appearances.
I hope Order Halls make their way back into the game, hopefully in Midnight or The Last Titan. They should be an evergreen feature tbh, maybe have some daily and weekly quests where you can earn rewards specific to your class. They could just do so much with them.
OMG, I am loving everything you are selling. If it turns out like this I will be sooo stoked!!
if an appearance is really rare, they could put it out again but with a different name, or just put "replica" at the end of the name, so anyone could inspect you and see if you had the original or not
Some outstanding ideas here man, well played 👌
I want the vaporwave bird! I love you using BG3 music in the vid.
The weapons in MOP remix WERENT on the vendor. They were RNG drops from world, dungeon and raid content. That was bad as some weapons only dropped for certain classes.
demon hunter draenei that use the winged/tailed eredar models would be a killer announcement. Imagine that hulking mass of red and green tentacles fel rushing at you XD
I really hope they do accountwide progression for gear upgrades, especially since there's so much class specific content in Legion. People are going to want to be using this as an opportunity to do things like unlocking class mounts or seeing class campaigns they never did, but won't want to start over on a weak character if their remix main is already super powerful.
ARGUS IN THE SKY SHOULD BE A DAMN TOY EFFECT
Yes!
Sounds perfect.
Blizzard, listen to this man!
When they split the currency for ‘cosmetic’ and ‘player power’ in Legion Remix and Taliesin gets done buying up all the cosmetics off the vendor and watches the unusable currency pile up in his bag and makes a whole weekly show about how he should ‘really be allowed to convert the currency over because it “feels bad” and “let players choose, stop hand holding, blizz”’blizzard should allow currency conversion for everyone except Tali.
Or better yet, split the currency for Taliesin and Taliesin only. No one tell him.
Honestly, blizzard finally did the right thing by having one currency and letting people choose. They completely headed off the inevitable complaints about currency being locked into the side of content they are not interested in and Blizzard still can’t win.
I hope the overpoweredness they give us in legion remix is related to our classes/ characters and their abilities.
When people had really high gems in remix, it took away from the unique and great class design. It felt bad to play an arms warrior and get into execute just to see an enemy explode because of someones gem.
The most fun gems in my opinion as a dps were the ones that did damage to you for a benefit paired with the vengeance gem. A fury warrior could leverage their innate self sustain to do more damage.
In all i just hope they really focus on making their great class design shine while still allowing players to be op
Edit: on a further note, it would be great to see them impliment m+ into thia event. Being able to do infinitely scaling content as you also are scaling to arpg numbers sounds amazing.
Love it. Maybe mage tower could be like delves? Just make the reward more badass the more difficult you make it.
I'd enjoy Mage Tower, and I think the idea of a standardized gear is a good one. Maybe it's not AS challenging as it once was, but it still allows people who couldn't or didn't enjoy it back in the day get the gist.
A Bronze Dragonflight and an Infinite Dragonflight skin for all of the existing Artifact models would be awesome. That plus re-enabling the time-gated models that we can't unlock at the moment would guarantee me time-sinking this game mode.
Wherever the infinite dragons and the bronze show up (probably within dalaran) that spacetime bubble that theyd exist in could double as the evoker "orderhall" location in this line of thought where the bronze would give them an artifact off the bat. just like how from an outside perspective they people would look like the citizens wandering dalaran from within theyd be timewalkers or something like that.
Xal'atath for priests again?
My Legion regret is not going back to do that Resto Druid Mage tower for that gorgeous staff. I would loooooove the opportunity to get it, even if it was a recolor. I won't hold my breath, but man, I kick myself on the regular for not getting it.
Legion Remix would be an amazing time to bring back an uprez version of the druid feral form!
I hope this is a mandatory watch for the Remix Devs
Nice outer wilds soundtrack drop at a pretty good point in the vid
Loving your ideas for this and really hoping Blizz have similar thoughts and plans!! Hyped for Artifact weapon possibilities!!
Another thing i'd really love to see is at least the other 2 Elf races given the Demon hunter Class! I think Void Elf DH's and Nightborne DH's would be an awesome addition!! - If they chose to also include other races too i'd be super happy too lol but the Elf races would be great by themselves! Demon Hunters customisation need more love from Blizz ;)
Brilliant ideas 🎉
Hope that they'll use em😊
100% yes to all of this, and while you're at it, add in a toy that adds Argus to the sky! :D
i did not need the existential dread that the first 30 second of this video just gave me. 😂
SO many Suramar mogs that we really ought to have had, and even expected to get in the Nighthold raid at least, that they can give us! Very excited!
Withered Army Training is going to be a dream to do again. I'm so sad we've never gotten anything like it since. That was one of the best Legion features.
Oh and I BETTER be able to get those Xavius shoulders. I've farmer Xavius as many times as Tali farmed Garrosh for his, and only ever seen them drop once, and that was for a guildie during our progression 8 years ago.
that was fun, hopefully they bring that back.
Amazing and terrifying at the same time. They need to put an envelope with an invitation for the fox on the vendor or something, I just can't do the withered army training anymore because I've done it so many times already...
@Diolur They could change it a little
legion was when i got apocalypse! ...halfway thru the expansion. LEGION HYPE!
I would love a Legion remix. I ran every class through all of the artifacts. Yep. No life. I was in it for the mounts :D I tried the mage tower thing. I tried. And tried. I never got through it a single time. I love the game but I simply suck at it because I'm generally slow in response time. So I have to KNOW a fight from start to finish if I'm going to have any success. So I also suck at PVP, of course. I would love to be able to get the Manbear artifact appearance. I still use many of the artifacts as transmoggs so the expansion holds a lot of nostalgia for me.
Lovr things all legion! Would love to have void inspired artifact appearances
I hope the class Halls are fully open to start with the table as well. That took longer than a few months to get up and get there. I wonder if class mounts will come back too and be one and done account wide.