How in the world can anyone not like this video? Rodney explains how to play the game like a pro! As always thank you Rodney for you great "how to play" video!
Looks very impressive. I like how the game is so complicated, but at the same time all the various game pieces are so clear and elegantly designed. It's very inviting and that is hard to accomplish in the case of complicated games. Also I love how the enable scoring token looks like Captain America's shield :))
I can’t help but keep commenting on your videos. I’m picking up 20 games this weekend, and I’ve watched a video from you for every one I can find. I LOVE the videos where you play with Luke. Thank you so much for all of the work you put into these videos!!!!
Can't wait to get my copy this week! Re-watching so I can teach it well. Thanks for your work, Rodney! I enjoyed the play through with your son as well. I watched it with my oldest and that pretty much sealed the deal to pre-order.
The designer said on BGG that there would not be another edition of this game. Ever. So I decided to pick up a copy for cheap on eBay. Thanks for the teach, Rodney. Great job, as usual.
Hi Rodney! So awesome Luke is back in action! Usually I think kids in video's can be a bit annoying or at least distracting, but Luke is a real asset to your video's! (btw. i'm not a kids hater, i even teach kids of all ages and enjoy it a lot :)) I pre-ordered Cry Havoc and picked it up at Essen last Thursday. I've been trying to figure out how to play the game on my own, so I can explain it to and play it with my gaming friends. Your instructional and playthrough video's, as always, help a lot! But I have to say... Those Canadian eggs are freakishly shaped! The skill tokens look more like guitar picks to me! :P Thanks for the great video's once again!
At 19:54, what colour is the Crystal in Cameron Seas? If it was say green would the red player then score 6 VPs 3 for green + 3 for each of the other white crystals in Jindar Sound? Thanks as always Rodney.
Actually, all of those are green, and each green is worth 1 VP. Red crystals are worth 5 points each, but you just use the differently colored crystals in place of other ones, to help ensure you have enough crystals, as needed.
Wow, this looks like a really good game! I'm not a fan of wargames, light or heavy, but when the area control is mixed with very clean, "euro-y" mechanisms, I'm in! I already had a blast with Scythe for the same reason and I'll definitely check this one out. So thanks again, Rodney! =) I love your insanely clear explanations, they make learning games so easy. And the gameplay makes it even easier to see if the game is worth trying, which this one seems to be, tenfold.
Hi, At 12:54 when you choose 2 cards... If you choose to draw 2 cards from the hand (not the terrain cards), do you keep them both or you choose one to keep and discard the other?
When working on it, we had to leverage some ideas from Euro games to make it work with more than 2 players. The result is sort of a weird hybrid that we hope people will really enjoy. Basically, not your typical war game we hope!
I'm very excited to play this game and I love the cover art work, but, it doesn't match any of the factions in the game. I guess it was just too good to not use. Maybe make it a future expansion faction?
Hi Rodney! Congrats for the great video ! I got some doubts: 1. When we use a Terrain Card, it goes to our discard pille and latter to our Drawing Deck, right? So the game also have some sord of "deck building" mechanism. Am i right ? 2. When are we allowed to have more than 7 cards in hand? 3. Until the last round, we only draw 4 card at beginning of the round? Thanks a lot !
1. Correct! 2 & 3. I was able to answer question 1 from memory, but unfortunately I loaned my copy of the game to a friend, so I don't have the rules handy to look this up for you.
What happens if more battles happen than the number of battle tokens that you have? Ditto for control tokens, what happens if you get more territories than the number of tokens that you have? One last question. Where does the discard of Terrain Tactics go? Is it part of your deck now or is there a discard pile for each deck which would you reshuffle when it ran out?
Hey Alfredo, for your question on Battle Tokens and Control Tokens - did this happen, or are you just wondering? If you use a Terrain card from your hand, it goes to your personal discard pile, like your other cards, and gets reshuffled back in for use later.
It hasn't happened to me, but I hadn't played the game yet when I commented this - I can see it would be difficult to run out of either of these tokens.
Thank you very much for the toturial. It is a must to learn to play. I juste want clarification for one derail tho.When your say at 21:42 that Troggs can move toregion with Trogg party token or nest token and spawn new recruits. You say that they are available to use even in same mouvement that brought them to the play. Do you mean that you can immediately use them? For exemple you use 3 mouvement cards, you move one Troggs to a nested region which spawns to 2 new Troggs, you can spends the remained mouvement cards by movings those new recruits. Is my example correcte or wrong?
I believe I say that buildings "can't" be moved (unless of course, a special ability allows it to)
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oh... that's the problem of non native English speakers! To us "Can" or "Can't" can pass indistictively if the context allows it to! Thanks for the fast response!
NEED HELP! First of all. LOVED this game! Thank you for making me understand so much about this game. Okay question, when buildings are activated, how long does it last if unused? For example, the bunker for the Machines faction. I activated it but I didn't get the chance to use it on that particular round, does the building still consider as active during the next round?
Hey there - I generally try to do my best to answer all rules related questions on my videos, but when they get into specific card or token effects, I have to direct people to the publisher or other sources, as that'a a little more than I can manage as one person :)
Rodney, I have a question. Regarding the draw phase, when you have, let's say 2 cards left in your deck and have to draw the 4, you draw 2, shuffle the discard pile, make it your new deck and draw the other 2, right? As opposed to suffling the discard pile along with the 2 remaining cards from the deck and then drawing the whole 4. Is that correct? Thanks in advance! (Anyone else who knows about this feel free to respond as well and it will be much appreciated as well)
When you have to retreat from a battle, or when the Trogs retreat, if they are in the corner territories that connect across the board, can they retreat across the board if those territories are unoccupied?
Hi! From 2019, can you play Tactic Cards for each Battle Objective, or you can only play Tactic Cards before the start of the 1st Battle Objective then once passed, Battle Objective will resolved all the way down, and cant play any Tactic Cards in between Battle Objective?
Hey Oni. You must play and resolve all battle tactics, before you go through the objectives. You'll find that covered here: th-cam.com/video/x7KS4ijLh14/w-d-xo.html
When you removed the yellow figure from bottom of war panel as red, and YELLOW removed RED from the very top of the war panel, they now were tied at the top right? Doesn't that mean defender wins? and Yellow should of owned the space?
Hey Loom, I’d be happy to help, but I shot this video awhile ago. You’d need to provide a time stamp so I can check the part of the video you are referring to.
Quick question - if there is a battle with the trogs and the attacking player loses does the following happen? 1. Place the trog figures back in the zone 2. Remove the battle token 3. Add a trog nest token 4. Have the attacking player retreat their figs back to another safe zone I was a bit confused because it seemed to me in the video that the trogs are removed and a nest token is placed if they win? The rules say that in the losing section they are removed and a nest token placed, but i didn't see that if they win? Am i way off base here? Thanks, Chris
The way it's shown in the video is correct - the rule book doesn't show this (which makes your question very reasonable), but I worked with the publisher to ensure we had the rules right before the video released. They also later released an FAQ for Cry Havoc, which I think addresses this as well.
Hey Rodney. Quick question regarding trog nest tokens being placed post fight? Can they be dropped into an adjacent region (if you win) where there is already a battle going on or does the restriction for adding figures apply to the nest tokens as well?
Hey Rodney, -How would the Trog prisoners get released if they don't have any VP's (in a 2-3 player game)? -Does the HQ count as a region you can retreat to if you lose a battle? Thanks!
If someone is playing as the trogs and through their skills ends up putting on the board all trog war party tokens that begin out of it, what happens if they would have to put more of them? you simply shuffle the tokens that have already been flipped and discarded previously?
I thought that too! But I was suprised when I first played a 4 player game by how fast they go. After you put the ones from set up on the board you notice there aren't a ton of them left outside. My play group simply assumed that we should shuffle the used tokens and make a new "pool" of them.
On the first event phase, if the event tile is "add 1 recruit to a region that we control. Do we loose that event or do we change it to another tile thats in tge box?
This may seem like a dumb question but in a 2 or 3 player game; who controls the Trogs in a battle? Lets say that I play humans, can the other 2 players decide where to place the Trogs on the battle board?
You'll find this answer on page 10 (and I believe in this video :) ) " Note: When battling the Trogs in games with 2 or 3 players, the first player to the left of the player fighting against the Trogs controls the Trogs in the Battle. This includes placing Trog Units on Battle Objectives and playing Tactics cards from their hand. Trogs never score Victory Points and cannot win the game."
Thank you so much from the fast responce! That helps out a lot! :) Thank you so much again! Your videos are awesome! Compliments from me and my friends here in Finland! :D
Great explanation Rodney! I have a question: if the humans are using an artillery in a non battle region, can they fire it into an already defined and marked battle region? For me this would make thematic sense...
Thank you! To answer your question, a battle region is locked. An ability would have to say that it specifically can target a battle area in order for it to happen.
just did my first playthrough with the gf tonight and two questions arose. when you play a tactics card does it go into the same discard pile as your faction deck? this would cause it to get shuffled into that deck and delude it causing that ultra important enable scoring card to come up more rarely. second when trogs are defeated and not killed in a two and three player game and retreat to a uncontrolled region nearby do you put the nest in even if there is already a raiding party there? that would be a lot of trogs to deal with
Hello Rodney! Great tutorial as always. I cannot understand when the actual end triggers. If you can past th 49 point multiple times (since you may not actually place your scoring tjle exactly there) the game may play indefinitely. Is this correct?
You do not have to land exactly on the 49. Passing it counts. The game ends at the end of the Round in which the Enable Final Scoring event was resolved. To understand this, you need to understand how events are resolved, so re-watch this, and then hopefully it will make sense. Let me know if it doesn't help: th-cam.com/video/x7KS4ijLh14/w-d-xo.html For further help, here is some info from the rule book: If, during the game, no player’s Score token passes an unresolved Event, then the game will last 5 Rounds. However, if an unresolved Event token is passed during Scoring, the game will end sooner. Scoring is always Enabled in the final Round and cannot be Enabled by players. Mark this using the Final Scoring marker. Players will score VP for Crystals, but nobody will score VP for Region Control.
Awesome video as always. I just bought the game and I've heard that the rule book is kinda convoluted, can anyone confirm this? I mean, there are a ton of rules to remember as seen in the video, maybe people just got overwhelmed by them at first? Or is it Rodney's explanation that makes it look easier than if you were to read the rules yourself?
Thanks Diego! I would like to hope that my explanations are a bit easier than reading the rule book, as I always rearrange the order of rules presented when scripting the videos. Everyone's preferred method and order of digestion are different I'm sure. But as a partial answer to your question, I do try to present the rules in the easiest to digest way, as well as clarifying anything that might be vague in the original rule book.
+Watch It Played well, it is a different type of game thay feels more like an rpg. But, it's something my friends and I love playing and nt everyone knows of it so It's a small suggestion.
Oh yes - I've played the game myself. Don't have it now, but also did some videos about it on the channel. Just not full instructionals or play throughs. Glad you enjoyed the game!
Picked up this game today from a nearby game store, now to try to convince roommates to play it, question, if you may, do i get vp's for kills outside of combat, with let's say the orbital sniper?
rodney i have a question. what do you think about balance of factions in this game? im asking because here in poland a lot of people hate this game a lot and balance is one of the reasons(other arguments are: predictible battles and too much forced specific gameplay of the factions). a lot of them are saying that humans are too strong and win almost all of the time. ive played 2 games(your videos helped me decide to buy this game so thanks a lot) and humans won both of them. however human player played them twice in a row while ive firstly played mashines and in second game switched to pilgrims. in both of them i finished up second so i believe if we will play more the balance will be shown more. what do you think? we love cry havoc but im just cureous about your opinion
Hi Jakub, thanks for the interest in my opinion, but I actually avoid opinions in my videos. I know people will have a variety of perspectives (I've heard many differing opinions), but I tend to leave mine out of them here. Sorry I couldn't be of more help!
The rules I have state in the Movement section: "3. If your Units are present in a Region with no Units belonging to other players, immediately gain Control of the Region by placing one of your Control tokens in the Region." But this video states to only place a control token if there are no enemy units. Have the rules been updated in a newer printing of the game or is this a mistake in the video? This could make a difference for humans, because it could gain them an extra point when using their default skill even if they end up losing the battle.
Hey Brandon, I'm not sure I understand the difference between the rule as written and what you're saying the video says. I do know that the video was checked and approved by the designer and publisher at the time, but it's always possible changes were made later or something slipped past. Can you provide a little more detail on what you are saying you're noticing and I'll follow up.
@@WatchItPlayed Thanks for responding. The issue is that the Trog is not an "other player" in 2 or 3 player games. So according to thecrules as written, the human faction could move into a location with a Trog nest and immediately take control because there are no other players present. Then humans can use their default skill to score for controlled regions and gain an additional point even if they ended up losing the battle. Does that make sense?
@@BrandonVMoore1 It's been long enough since I shot this that I don't recall the exact conversations I had with the publisher around this rule, bit it is very common that in the process of creating the video, I find inconsistencies in the wording of the rule books and have to ask for clarifications, which lead to adjustments in how the video expresses the rule that is more accurate than how the rulebook describes it. I suspect that is what is going on here. If it helps both the publisher and designer checked over the video before it went live, so that gives me some confidence that the choices we made here were in line with the discussions we had had at the time. It's tough to say with 100% certainty, but I'm as confident as I can be.
"They" are calling this the Kemet-killer. I don't know about that. But do you think it works better with two players? I never found Kemet particularly good with two.
Hey Jax, I avoid trying to assess the opinions others may have for a game :) I also don't review or offer opinions,. I prefer to share the game sand let viewers decide for themselves based on their own interests/biases, etc.
Almost forgot something! In the 4 player side of the board, there are 4 regions on the corners of the board, which don't tell what terrain those regions have. So can I play any terrain tactics cards or can't play them at all?
Hi! Love all your videos, congrats for your work! Recently I bought this game and learned to play thanks to this tutorial. I only have a doubt about playing in 2-3 players game... When trogs win the conquest they put a nest token facedown instead of a conquest token, I suposse you have to add the nest token as well as the surviving trogs. Or the nest token replace the surviving trogs?Is it correct? In the other case, when they lost the conquest objetive and they retreat you have to remove the surviving trogs and put a nest token into an unconquested adjacent zone (so, only the nest tokens..) . If there is no unconquested adjacent zones I suposse you put nothing on them, correct? Thank you so much!!
It's a little tricky to follow your question, as some of your terms are not what the rule book refers to. I think when you say Conquest token, you mean Control token? For your first question, I believe that is answered at 18:22 (you'll notice the surviving Trogs are not added back to the board). Your second question is answered at 18:51, as well, I believe. Let me know if that helps.
At the end of a round, scoring is only conducted if someone played their score card during that round to put their token in the End Scoring spot of the board (unless it is the end of the game, in which case scoring also happens then).
Hey there, while I do my best to cover all the rules of the games I feature, I can't get into individual faction effects (that would be too much for me to try to keep straight across all the games I cover). I would recommend checking the forums on BoardGameGeek.
I avoid recommending games, as I don't know what other people are going to like or not like. That said, keep an eye on the channel, we may have some game play episodes which will help with that question.
Am I the only one who thinks of "Wild Thing" every time Rodney mentions the Trogs? ;-) heh Yeah, yeah... I know the band is really spelled with two Gs. ;-)
Ok, so event token will trigger for that round even if no one is close to that token? So, after 5 rounds game will just end? Ok, i was playing this game wrong, hahahhaha, we played until someone passes 50 points.
This game looks a lot more fiddly and confusing at first glance than I bet it really is. I just worry that about 15 minutes into explaining the rules, some players might say "forget it, this is way to complicated" and it might be hard to get them to just give it a try and realize it's not as complicated as it looks. I am curious what other people's experiences have been trying to teach this game to people. Would you say it's absolutely only for experienced gamers only?
I can't help you too much there. I think it really depends a lot on the the players. What's complicated to one person, will be easy to someone else. It's hard to assess.
Jeff Rainwater it's not the hardest game to teach (mage knight anyone?). I usually address the steps in a round which are noted on the faction boards. Then explain them one by one. It's very playable for next step gamers, very hard to master though. The basics are essentially the icons on the cards (move, recruit, build/activate). You gain VPs by controlling regions with crystals. The battle resolution is also not very hard to grasp. If you prepare yourself correctly, you should be able to lead them through the game. Don't expect to win though, I helped the new players (which I was one of myself), played with the machines (which is the hardest faction to play) and totally got annihilated. At the first play, the humans probably win since they have the most straight forward strategy. In other words, give them to the most inexperienced player. We did, and she won :P Hope that helps you out. It's an awesome game which I can't wait to play again!
It really comes down to the situation. Crystals in your personal pool fuel skill cards (and sometimes can be worth points, at a cost), but if you're confident you can hold a location, mining crystals and putting them in that region will be certain to give you points.
i'm confused by the crystals in your pool, i notice the pilgrims have a structure that allows them to take crystals off the board into their personal supply but i cant figure out the purpose of this. i couldnt find anything in the rules or the video about this or what its used for. i didnt see any skill cards that required crystals. i also didnt see any way to make these worth points
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How in the world can anyone not like this video? Rodney explains how to play the game like a pro! As always thank you Rodney for you great "how to play" video!
Everyone has different tastes, and not everyone will like my stuff, but I'm glad you do :)
Looks very impressive.
I like how the game is so complicated, but at the same time all the various game pieces are so clear and elegantly designed.
It's very inviting and that is hard to accomplish in the case of complicated games.
Also I love how the enable scoring token looks like Captain America's shield :))
I wish you could explain every game, I love your videos :)
Ah - very kind of you to say :)
I can’t help but keep commenting on your videos. I’m picking up 20 games this weekend, and I’ve watched a video from you for every one I can find. I LOVE the videos where you play with Luke. Thank you so much for all of the work you put into these videos!!!!
Thanks for the kind words! I hope you have a great time playing all those titles :)
Can't wait to get my copy this week! Re-watching so I can teach it well. Thanks for your work, Rodney! I enjoyed the play through with your son as well. I watched it with my oldest and that pretty much sealed the deal to pre-order.
I hope you guys have a fantastic time playing Robert!
I played this at Dice Tower Con and immediately pre-ordered.
Thank you Peter!
Glad you enjoyed it. Hope you had fun at the con!
Watch It Played Hey can I Check a quick rule, Do you draw back to 4 cards after each turn, or each round? Thanks.
You'll find this discussed here: th-cam.com/video/x7KS4ijLh14/w-d-xo.htmlm32s
When I want to learn a game I always come to your channel. Never regret :)
Thanks Ramon - glad you've been enjoying the show!
The designer said on BGG that there would not be another edition of this game. Ever. So I decided to pick up a copy for cheap on eBay. Thanks for the teach, Rodney. Great job, as usual.
You're very welcome - hope you have fun playing!
@@WatchItPlayed I've also just watched the game play videos. That was quite a beating you got there. Lol.
@@mkietzmann It still hurts!
I hope we get a play through for this game. It looks very interesting and fun as a 3 player game.
Stick around :)
Managed to get a copy this week and so now I'm prepping for our game tomorrow! So excited! Thanks again for this Rodney. - Johan
+JevousGaming Hope you have a great time playing!
Great video and very helpful...I always find watching a how to video + reading the rules helps it sink in a lot easier....and it is a great game!!
Thanks Cathal - glad it was helpful!
Thanks for another amazing walktrough. This game was so interesting so i bought it right away after watching this video.
I hope you have a great time playing!
Thanks Rodney; as always, the most clear and concise instructional on the net.
Thank you for the kind words!
Hi Rodney!
So awesome Luke is back in action! Usually I think kids in video's can be a bit annoying or at least distracting, but Luke is a real asset to your video's! (btw. i'm not a kids hater, i even teach kids of all ages and enjoy it a lot :))
I pre-ordered Cry Havoc and picked it up at Essen last Thursday. I've been trying to figure out how to play the game on my own, so I can explain it to and play it with my gaming friends. Your instructional and playthrough video's, as always, help a lot!
But I have to say... Those Canadian eggs are freakishly shaped! The skill tokens look more like guitar picks to me! :P
Thanks for the great video's once again!
Glad you enjoyed the video and seeing Luke back in action :) I hope you have a great time playing!
Thanks Rodney.
A pleasure, believe me!
When are you doing a playthrough of this game? :)
Keep an eye on the channel ;)
At 19:54, what colour is the Crystal in Cameron Seas? If it was say green would the red player then score 6 VPs 3 for green + 3 for each of the other white crystals in Jindar Sound? Thanks as always Rodney.
Actually, all of those are green, and each green is worth 1 VP. Red crystals are worth 5 points each, but you just use the differently colored crystals in place of other ones, to help ensure you have enough crystals, as needed.
Preordered. Can't wait to play this!
Here's hoping for a speedy delivery!
Thanks Rodney for the hard work.
Very glad you enjoyed!
This game looks awesome. Can't wait to pick it up and get it to the table.
I had a chance to demo it at BGG Con, so it was really nice seeing all the final components and how they came together.
Wow, this looks like a really good game! I'm not a fan of wargames, light or heavy, but when the area control is mixed with very clean, "euro-y" mechanisms, I'm in! I already had a blast with Scythe for the same reason and I'll definitely check this one out.
So thanks again, Rodney! =) I love your insanely clear explanations, they make learning games so easy. And the gameplay makes it even easier to see if the game is worth trying, which this one seems to be, tenfold.
Hey, thanks so much for the kind words - very glad you enjoyed the videos!
Have you heard of Cyclades or Kemet? They're both "war euros" that you might enjoy if you like the style of Cry Havoc.
Never tried Cyclades, but Kemet is thoroughly amazing! And I'm sure our host would agree. ;D
What a great video! The best one to learn how to play Cry Havoc.
Thank you kindly Luiz!
Hi,
At 12:54 when you choose 2 cards... If you choose to draw 2 cards from the hand (not the terrain cards), do you keep them both or you choose one to keep and discard the other?
You still only keep one.
Wonderfully polished video, Rodney!
Thanks so much Alex!
Awesome job Rodney! Caught me totally by surprise this game. Normally not a wargamer, but this seems very good!
When working on it, we had to leverage some ideas from Euro games to make it work with more than 2 players. The result is sort of a weird hybrid that we hope people will really enjoy. Basically, not your typical war game we hope!
Exactly! Like I said, I don't have these kind of games in my collection, but CH seems like something which could get in ;)
I'm very excited to play this game and I love the cover art work, but, it doesn't match any of the factions in the game. I guess it was just too good to not use. Maybe make it a future expansion faction?
What a great game, I love it. Amazing explanation Rodney!
Thank you Martin - glad you liked the video!
Sweet Christmas, that board is huge!
It takes up it's portion of a table, to be sure - makes for good room to fit minis and tokens into each region.
Hi Rodney! Congrats for the great video !
I got some doubts:
1. When we use a Terrain Card, it goes to our discard pille and latter to our Drawing Deck, right? So the game also have some sord of "deck building" mechanism. Am i right ?
2. When are we allowed to have more than 7 cards in hand?
3. Until the last round, we only draw 4 card at beginning of the round?
Thanks a lot !
1. Correct!
2 & 3. I was able to answer question 1 from memory, but unfortunately I loaned my copy of the game to a friend, so I don't have the rules handy to look this up for you.
Well done teaching video. Clear, concise. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words Tim!
What happens if more battles happen than the number of battle tokens that you have? Ditto for control tokens, what happens if you get more territories than the number of tokens that you have?
One last question. Where does the discard of Terrain Tactics go? Is it part of your deck now or is there a discard pile for each deck which would you reshuffle when it ran out?
Hey Alfredo, for your question on Battle Tokens and Control Tokens - did this happen, or are you just wondering?
If you use a Terrain card from your hand, it goes to your personal discard pile, like your other cards, and gets reshuffled back in for use later.
It hasn't happened to me, but I hadn't played the game yet when I commented this - I can see it would be difficult to run out of either of these tokens.
Thank you very much for the toturial. It is a must to learn to play. I juste want clarification for one derail tho.When your say at 21:42 that Troggs can move toregion with Trogg party token or nest token and spawn new recruits. You say that they are available to use even in same mouvement that brought them to the play. Do you mean that you can immediately use them? For exemple you use 3 mouvement cards, you move one Troggs to a nested region which spawns to 2 new Troggs, you can spends the remained mouvement cards by movings those new recruits. Is my example correcte or wrong?
Your example is correct!
hello!
On 11:35 you ve said that structures can be moved. I thought that was an exclusively Red Faction ability. Can other species do that too?
I believe I say that buildings "can't" be moved (unless of course, a special ability allows it to)
oh... that's the problem of non native English speakers! To us "Can" or "Can't" can pass indistictively if the context allows it to!
Thanks for the fast response!
awesome rodney thanks! I wasn't sure about this one but now I can't wait to play it.
We hope to show more about this game on the channel soon!
+Watch It Played awesome!
Wow, that was fast! Didn't you just film this yesterday? Great job and keep up the good work.
Let's just say there wasn't a lot of sleep last night :) Knew I was travelling to visit a family member today.
NEED HELP! First of all. LOVED this game! Thank you for making me understand so much about this game.
Okay question, when buildings are activated, how long does it last if unused? For example, the bunker for the Machines faction. I activated it but I didn't get the chance to use it on that particular round, does the building still consider as active during the next round?
Hey there - I generally try to do my best to answer all rules related questions on my videos, but when they get into specific card or token effects, I have to direct people to the publisher or other sources, as that'a a little more than I can manage as one person :)
definitely going to get this game when it comes out/ find it
Glad you enjoyed checking it out.
Rodney, I have a question. Regarding the draw phase, when you have, let's say 2 cards left in your deck and have to draw the 4, you draw 2, shuffle the discard pile, make it your new deck and draw the other 2, right? As opposed to suffling the discard pile along with the 2 remaining cards from the deck and then drawing the whole 4. Is that correct? Thanks in advance! (Anyone else who knows about this feel free to respond as well and it will be much appreciated as well)
+Diego Lima Your first description is correct. You only shuffle your discard pile at the moment you need a card and there isn’t one there.
1:34 I think you meant to say bottom "Left" hand corner instead of Right, Rodney.
Gah, it's going to bug me that I missed that. Cursed upside down seating :)
When you have to retreat from a battle, or when the Trogs retreat, if they are in the corner territories that connect across the board, can they retreat across the board if those territories are unoccupied?
Yes, as those regions are considered adjacent.
Am I crazy for wanting this game just for those beautiful components?
You probably won't be alone in that!
Awesome video explanation. Thanks!
You're very welcome Kalle - glad you liked it!
This was brisk, but clear. Well done! Now I just need opponents...
Always the challenge! her's hoping you find some fellow players soon :)
Thank you for the video, I only have one doubt : does the black space around the central caverns separate it from the neighbouring regions ?
It does, that extra thick black area is impassable.
@@WatchItPlayedthank you. I've read the whole manual and I'm pretty sure it's never mentioned.
Hi! From 2019, can you play Tactic Cards for each Battle Objective, or you can only play Tactic Cards before the start of the 1st Battle Objective then once passed, Battle Objective will resolved all the way down, and cant play any Tactic Cards in between Battle Objective?
Hey Oni. You must play and resolve all battle tactics, before you go through the objectives. You'll find that covered here: th-cam.com/video/x7KS4ijLh14/w-d-xo.html
One more for the wanted list!
Thanks for checking out the video.
When you removed the yellow figure from bottom of war panel as red, and YELLOW removed RED from the very top of the war panel, they now were tied at the top right? Doesn't that mean defender wins? and Yellow should of owned the space?
Hey Loom, I’d be happy to help, but I shot this video awhile ago. You’d need to provide a time stamp so I can check the part of the video you are referring to.
Quick question - if there is a battle with the trogs and the attacking player loses does the following happen?
1. Place the trog figures back in the zone
2. Remove the battle token
3. Add a trog nest token
4. Have the attacking player retreat their figs back to another safe zone
I was a bit confused because it seemed to me in the video that the trogs are removed and a nest token is placed if they win?
The rules say that in the losing section they are removed and a nest token placed, but i didn't see that if they win?
Am i way off base here?
Thanks,
Chris
The way it's shown in the video is correct - the rule book doesn't show this (which makes your question very reasonable), but I worked with the publisher to ensure we had the rules right before the video released. They also later released an FAQ for Cry Havoc, which I think addresses this as well.
Hey guys. Is in 4-player game Trogg Nest token ever can be placed on board or it used only in 2-3 player games?
Nests are just used in 2-3 player games.
Great as Always
+Marco Boschini Thanks Marco!
Hey Rodney. Quick question regarding trog nest tokens being placed post fight? Can they be dropped into an adjacent region (if you win) where there is already a battle going on or does the restriction for adding figures apply to the nest tokens as well?
Hey Dregar, you can't place the retreating Trogs into a battle region.
Hey Rodney,
-How would the Trog prisoners get released if they don't have any VP's (in a 2-3 player game)?
-Does the HQ count as a region you can retreat to if you lose a battle?
Thanks!
Trog prisoners don't get released in a 2-3 player game. Yep, you can retreat to your HQ, if it is adjacent to the current battle region.
Thank you.
If someone is playing as the trogs and through their skills ends up putting on the board all trog war party tokens that begin out of it, what happens if they would have to put more of them? you simply shuffle the tokens that have already been flipped and discarded previously?
I'm not sure, but I'm also guessing that would be very hard to pull off.
I thought that too! But I was suprised when I first played a 4 player game by how fast they go. After you put the ones from set up on the board you notice there aren't a ton of them left outside. My play group simply assumed that we should shuffle the used tokens and make a new "pool" of them.
On the first event phase, if the event tile is "add 1 recruit to a region that we control. Do we loose that event or do we change it to another tile thats in tge box?
You just ignore it (you don't replace it).
This may seem like a dumb question but in a 2 or 3 player game; who controls the Trogs in a battle? Lets say that I play humans, can the other 2 players decide where to place the Trogs on the battle board?
You'll find this answer on page 10 (and I believe in this video :) )
" Note: When battling the Trogs in games with 2 or 3 players, the first player to the left of the player fighting against the Trogs controls the Trogs in the Battle. This includes placing Trog Units on Battle Objectives and playing Tactics cards from their hand. Trogs never score Victory Points and cannot win the game."
Thank you so much from the fast responce! That helps out a lot! :) Thank you so much again! Your videos are awesome! Compliments from me and my friends here in Finland! :D
My pleasure - greetings from Canada and happy gaming!
What version did you buy to get kerds?
Mine only came with lousy CARDS.
Buy it in Canada.
Great explanation Rodney! I have a question: if the humans are using an artillery in a non battle region, can they fire it into an already defined and marked battle region? For me this would make thematic sense...
Thank you! To answer your question, a battle region is locked. An ability would have to say that it specifically can target a battle area in order for it to happen.
Watch It Played thanks! Very much appreciated. It is such a pleasure to have you and your amazing support for the hobby !
just did my first playthrough with the gf tonight and two questions arose. when you play a tactics card does it go into the same discard pile as your faction deck? this would cause it to get shuffled into that deck and delude it causing that ultra important enable scoring card to come up more rarely. second when trogs are defeated and not killed in a two and three player game and retreat to a uncontrolled region nearby do you put the nest in even if there is already a raiding party there? that would be a lot of trogs to deal with
1) Yes.
2) Yes.
awesome, ty for the quick response
My pleasure, Tim!
You are the best teacher 🤘🏻 other channels, honestly, I don’t understand shit 😂😂
Well David - I'm glad ours is working for you :)
Look forward to getting a copy at Gencon.
Awesome. Maybe I'll see you there!
Hello Rodney! Great tutorial as always. I cannot understand when the actual end triggers. If you can past th 49 point multiple times (since you may not actually place your scoring tjle exactly there) the game may play indefinitely. Is this correct?
You do not have to land exactly on the 49. Passing it counts. The game ends at the end of the Round in which the Enable Final Scoring event was resolved. To understand this, you need to understand how events are resolved, so re-watch this, and then hopefully it will make sense. Let me know if it doesn't help: th-cam.com/video/x7KS4ijLh14/w-d-xo.html
For further help, here is some info from the rule book: If, during the game, no player’s Score token passes an unresolved Event, then the game will last 5 Rounds. However, if an unresolved Event token is passed during Scoring, the game will end sooner. Scoring is always Enabled in the final Round and cannot be Enabled by players. Mark this using the Final Scoring marker. Players will score VP for Crystals, but nobody will score VP for Region Control.
Merci ! Toujours parfaitement clair!
Thank you :)
Awesome video as always. I just bought the game and I've heard that the rule book is kinda convoluted, can anyone confirm this? I mean, there are a ton of rules to remember as seen in the video, maybe people just got overwhelmed by them at first? Or is it Rodney's explanation that makes it look easier than if you were to read the rules yourself?
Thanks Diego! I would like to hope that my explanations are a bit easier than reading the rule book, as I always rearrange the order of rules presented when scripting the videos. Everyone's preferred method and order of digestion are different I'm sure. But as a partial answer to your question, I do try to present the rules in the easiest to digest way, as well as clarifying anything that might be vague in the original rule book.
Oh, you sure make them a lot easier to digest! Thanks for the great work and the reply!
Could you possibly play the Pathfinder adventure card game???
Thanks for the interest, no plans to currently.
+Watch It Played well, it is a different type of game thay feels more like an rpg. But, it's something my friends and I love playing and nt everyone knows of it so It's a small suggestion.
Oh yes - I've played the game myself. Don't have it now, but also did some videos about it on the channel. Just not full instructionals or play throughs. Glad you enjoyed the game!
By any chance will you be doing the Ghostbusters board game in the future Rodney?
No plans to currently Christopher.
This looks like an awesome game! Sadly I live in Brazil and it must cost a bazilion dollars to import one here...
I've heard it can be very costly to get games to Brazil. I'm sorry to hear that :(
Hi! Great video! One question I have is if you play with 4 players, do you just not use the orange trog tokens?
Right!
Can you capture NPC Trog in a 2 or 3 player games? Do you get victory points for these NPC prisoners?
Yes and yes!
+Watch It Played Thanks!
Can other players pay 2 VPs to remove Trogs from other players' prisons?
Nope.
***** Fastest response ever! Thank you! :)
This game is more complicated than android... I love it
Glad you're enjoying :)
Picked up this game today from a nearby game store, now to try to convince roommates to play it, question, if you may, do i get vp's for kills outside of combat, with let's say the orbital sniper?
Hope you guys have a great time playing! Nope, no points for orbital sniper.
THANKS! Quick response too!
rodney i have a question. what do you think about balance of factions in this game? im asking because here in poland a lot of people hate this game a lot and balance is one of the reasons(other arguments are: predictible battles and too much forced specific gameplay of the factions). a lot of them are saying that humans are too strong and win almost all of the time. ive played 2 games(your videos helped me decide to buy this game so thanks a lot) and humans won both of them. however human player played them twice in a row while ive firstly played mashines and in second game switched to pilgrims. in both of them i finished up second so i believe if we will play more the balance will be shown more. what do you think? we love cry havoc but im just cureous about your opinion
Hi Jakub, thanks for the interest in my opinion, but I actually avoid opinions in my videos. I know people will have a variety of perspectives (I've heard many differing opinions), but I tend to leave mine out of them here. Sorry I couldn't be of more help!
The rules I have state in the Movement section: "3. If your Units are present in a Region with no Units belonging to other players, immediately gain Control of the Region by placing one of your Control tokens in the Region." But this video states to only place a control token if there are no enemy units. Have the rules been updated in a newer printing of the game or is this a mistake in the video? This could make a difference for humans, because it could gain them an extra point when using their default skill even if they end up losing the battle.
Hey Brandon, I'm not sure I understand the difference between the rule as written and what you're saying the video says. I do know that the video was checked and approved by the designer and publisher at the time, but it's always possible changes were made later or something slipped past. Can you provide a little more detail on what you are saying you're noticing and I'll follow up.
@@WatchItPlayed Thanks for responding. The issue is that the Trog is not an "other player" in 2 or 3 player games. So according to thecrules as written, the human faction could move into a location with a Trog nest and immediately take control because there are no other players present. Then humans can use their default skill to score for controlled regions and gain an additional point even if they ended up losing the battle. Does that make sense?
@@BrandonVMoore1 It's been long enough since I shot this that I don't recall the exact conversations I had with the publisher around this rule, bit it is very common that in the process of creating the video, I find inconsistencies in the wording of the rule books and have to ask for clarifications, which lead to adjustments in how the video expresses the rule that is more accurate than how the rulebook describes it. I suspect that is what is going on here. If it helps both the publisher and designer checked over the video before it went live, so that gives me some confidence that the choices we made here were in line with the discussions we had had at the time. It's tough to say with 100% certainty, but I'm as confident as I can be.
@@WatchItPlayed Cool. Thanks for the feedback!
"They" are calling this the Kemet-killer. I don't know about that. But do you think it works better with two players? I never found Kemet particularly good with two.
Hey Jax, I avoid trying to assess the opinions others may have for a game :) I also don't review or offer opinions,. I prefer to share the game sand let viewers decide for themselves based on their own interests/biases, etc.
how do the symbols above the terrain tactics decks work?
They give you reminders of what symbols you'll find on the cards in those decks.
I see. Thanks a lot. You guys always make me want to buy a game. I hope you do more playthroughs on other games.
Almost forgot something! In the 4 player side of the board, there are 4 regions on the corners of the board, which don't tell what terrain those regions have. So can I play any terrain tactics cards or can't play them at all?
I'm not quite sure what you mean, but if you are talking about areas that also have no name (or borders around them), then no.
You know, the region called cameron seas and the others with tunnels
Hey Rodney, great video as usual. Am i correct to say that Trog nests are NEVER used in a four player game?
I believe you are right. In a 4 player game, there is no situation where a Trog Nest would be placed.
Thanks Rodney, i'm planning to play a 4P game soon, using your tutorial video
Hi! Love all your videos, congrats for your work!
Recently I bought this game and learned to play thanks to this tutorial.
I only have a doubt about playing in 2-3 players game... When trogs win the conquest they put a nest token facedown instead of a conquest token, I suposse you have to add the nest token as well as the surviving trogs. Or the nest token replace the surviving trogs?Is it correct?
In the other case, when they lost the conquest objetive and they retreat you have to remove the surviving trogs and put a nest token into an unconquested adjacent zone (so, only the nest tokens..) . If there is no unconquested adjacent zones I suposse you put nothing on them, correct?
Thank you so much!!
It's a little tricky to follow your question, as some of your terms are not what the rule book refers to. I think when you say Conquest token, you mean Control token?
For your first question, I believe that is answered at 18:22 (you'll notice the surviving Trogs are not added back to the board). Your second question is answered at 18:51, as well, I believe.
Let me know if that helps.
@@WatchItPlayed Yeah! Sorry, control token I meant.
Thanks for the response!
What if in a foyr player game another player triggers a trog token?
Then you resolve it as normal (a battle).
Wait so you can't score territory and crystals at the end of your turn unless you play a scoring card?
At the end of a round, scoring is only conducted if someone played their score card during that round to put their token in the End Scoring spot of the board (unless it is the end of the game, in which case scoring also happens then).
Hello, i have a question, do Pilgrims get VP from their ,,Gem Pool,,? Btw, greatings from Lithuania :)
Hey there, while I do my best to cover all the rules of the games I feature, I can't get into individual faction effects (that would be too much for me to try to keep straight across all the games I cover). I would recommend checking the forums on BoardGameGeek.
@@WatchItPlayed Ty for help any way :)
Would you recommend the game for 2 players?
I avoid recommending games, as I don't know what other people are going to like or not like. That said, keep an eye on the channel, we may have some game play episodes which will help with that question.
Is there a solo mode for this game?
No solo mode.
How it works with two players?
The rules are the same as 3 players, you just use the other side of the board.
Am I the only one who thinks of "Wild Thing" every time Rodney mentions the Trogs? ;-) heh Yeah, yeah... I know the band is really spelled with two Gs. ;-)
There's something that amuses me thinking of prisoner minis lol
Me too :)
pre-order.
Glad you enjoyed!
Do Quarriors next!
Thanks for the interest.
@@WatchItPlayed i subbed because you explain the games so well the other how to play for quarriors on youtube are kinda old lol
super ! mon chien n'arrête pas d'aboyer depuiis
Hey Rodney, so how does the game hold up against our precious Kemet? ;)
Comparing games? You know I don't do that :)
Yeah, yeah, sure. Sorry.
But ahhh... Is Kemet still your favorite game? ;)
Just got this from an auction for $10. Going to be a long time before my kids want to play this one though sigh.
Hang in there :)
UR AWESUM
+Wizard Vulture :)
Ok, so event token will trigger for that round even if no one is close to that token? So, after 5 rounds game will just end? Ok, i was playing this game wrong, hahahhaha, we played until someone passes 50 points.
Glad the video was helpful!
This game looks a lot more fiddly and confusing at first glance than I bet it really is. I just worry that about 15 minutes into explaining the rules, some players might say "forget it, this is way to complicated" and it might be hard to get them to just give it a try and realize it's not as complicated as it looks. I am curious what other people's experiences have been trying to teach this game to people. Would you say it's absolutely only for experienced gamers only?
I can't help you too much there. I think it really depends a lot on the the players. What's complicated to one person, will be easy to someone else. It's hard to assess.
Jeff Rainwater it's not the hardest game to teach (mage knight anyone?). I usually address the steps in a round which are noted on the faction boards. Then explain them one by one. It's very playable for next step gamers, very hard to master though. The basics are essentially the icons on the cards (move, recruit, build/activate). You gain VPs by controlling regions with crystals. The battle resolution is also not very hard to grasp. If you prepare yourself correctly, you should be able to lead them through the game. Don't expect to win though, I helped the new players (which I was one of myself), played with the machines (which is the hardest faction to play) and totally got annihilated. At the first play, the humans probably win since they have the most straight forward strategy. In other words, give them to the most inexperienced player. We did, and she won :P
Hope that helps you out. It's an awesome game which I can't wait to play again!
Rodney, did you find this game hard to learn? You've done a fine job here of explaining everything, but there seem to be a LOT of rules to remember!
I didn't find this one tricky to learn, but every gamer is different, so that's just my personal experience with it.
Thanks Rodney
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Hmmm what is the advantage of the Pilgrims Extractor vs the Harvester. Seems like the Harvesters ability is wwwwaaayyyy better!
It really comes down to the situation. Crystals in your personal pool fuel skill cards (and sometimes can be worth points, at a cost), but if you're confident you can hold a location, mining crystals and putting them in that region will be certain to give you points.
i'm confused by the crystals in your pool, i notice the pilgrims have a structure that allows them to take crystals off the board into their personal supply but i cant figure out the purpose of this. i couldnt find anything in the rules or the video about this or what its used for. i didnt see any skill cards that required crystals. i also didnt see any way to make these worth points
There are skill cards that require and make use of them to gain points.