ajlisknillat once a horse works in the same bit for a while, they start to dull out slowly. So changing the bit up keeps them on their feet, so they don’t get super dull and hard in the mouth. So instead of dulling their mouth out by riding in the same bit for an extended period of time, switching it up keeps them off the bit and keeps them from getting dull.
@@rileygaudet2223 I've heard that before and it makes sense, but this guy isn't switching out or switching back and forth. He's talking about a progression. But like most people doing bit videos, he doesn't (maybe can't) explain what specific bits actually accomplish. It's just wannabe trainer buzzword salad (like the twisted wire snaffle when the horse needs to have "more respect" for the bit SMH) .
I never understand why people overcomplicate things, break the horse in a hackamore or snaffle and stick with it, you don't need a load of metal and poll pressure to control your horse.
Your state is full of idiots then... No horse needs to be in a shank, that is ridiculous. My horse has been in a snaffle or bitless bridle since the day he was born and he is now 16 years old. He has always been very light up front. No horse needs more than a snaffle, only stupid humans seem to think they need stronger bits.
DeathKitty123456 These horses are trained for precision, and respond to the littleest cues. They are very responsive, and the shank for these horses is to reinforce it and give a faster response time. Shanks are not bad, unless they are in the wrong hands. These bits are not there to fix bad habits or bad problems, in the Reining industry, they are used as the horse progresses in it's training, and requires less hand. They are ridden with mainly leg and seat. Many horses are ridden in shanks, and it's a fact of life. Many horses don't like shanks, and many horses prefer the higher level of contact, or because of training, can be ridden in a shank and do it's job even better.
DeathKitty123456 if you want to ride your horses one handed, at top speeds, with little to no hand movement, then yes, a shank is ideal. If you rely on your hands of course a snaffle will probably work long term. However when you need your horse to react as soon as possible a snaffles probably not going to do the job. Either that or your horse is amazing.
My horse is EXTREMELY light in the mouth and i can fully control him buckle end. There is no need to put your horse in a strong bit, it is control through pain, i don't like it. Horses can be super responsive with just a neck strap, my horse is super responsive in his snaffle or headcollar... I think it is just people being lazy and not investing in their horses properly. You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion is completely different based on the fact i would hate to have my horses head in a vice.
Great video! So interesting to see the progression. I think a lot of the people in these comments don't understand that these bits just require less and less 'hands' and the bits give stronger ques with very little movement by the end. Finesse over strength at the end.
U have to change the bit...I'm not a professional for this but if I had a horse I would see for the bit my teacher has D snaffle bits so if the horse were to do that my teacher would tell me to put my reins down and say "whoa" for him to stop and his head won't flick up.
@@Tepadjyou can ride a 3 year old horse just don't over do it use a hacamore and do some ground training with a loose leaf rope wand halter stand be side him say back push his chest and head slightly when he backs give him a slice of apple and a pet
You don't say what bit you're using, but if it's a snaffle and you pull back with both hands, the horse will naturally toss his head, especially if your hands aren't soft. If you're riding in a snaffle use one hand to bend him to a stop. After you work with him awhile, you won't need to pull very hard (bend him very much). If he's facing forward (12 o'clock), he'll stop before his head gets to 11 o'clock.
I question the value/wisdom of all of the twisted wire bits, but what really struck me is that your curb chains are actually chains (instead of all leather). Including the first shanked bit you put on a horse. I'm not a "no bit" person but I think those two things are pretty extreme.
im against bit but if you are gonna ride with one use the most mild bit you can since bits are made to inflict pain i dont like them and if their not used to inflict pain what are they for?im not TOTALLY against them though i just perfer people dont use them😊
Eeerm...how does that thing not hurt his mouth? Why keep progressing to tougher bits and hurt him more and more? You actually think they get COMFORTABLE in it? They just get more and more frightened. But I suppose that is what you want. Horse riding is a powertrip. It is all about dominating. A big S&M game, just without the consent of the poor horse getting dominated. His only way out is death.
@@em-hl5to yes, some horses give in to the pain and anxiety of this style of training though, and become so-called 'finished'. Even the weight of the reins and their own head movements cause these bits to move in the mouth and press into the jawbone or roof of the mouth. Certain temperaments learn to submit to these by being hypervigilant and overbent. It's not something that decent people want to inflict on their horses
D She I do agree with that. I just feel like people who use these “harsh” or more advanced bits should educate people on more how they work, and that beginners can not just use them for a bad horse
@@em-hl5to There's nothing advanced about severe bits. Have you seen any videos by Emma Massingale? (sp?) Now, that is advanced horsemanship - without the pain.
all treehugging ppl here plz get rid of ur horses or any animal u have and move on cus believe me u are the types of people that make dangerous horses with all ur poor baby Technics
Try no bit, I started to use the Orbitless last year after owning my horse for 15 years and haven't noticed any difference apart from he is very relaxed schooling and hacking out.
In English riding, the way it's done is to find the mildest bit that works and stick with it. The jointed snaffle can be a painful bit if you pull on it, due to the squeezing action on the corners of the mouth, and the pressure on the roof of the mouth. If you abuse it, then physical damage happens or the horse learns to ignore the pain. A French link is better. The idea that you 'progress' to harsher and more painful bits, is horrible. Twisted mouthpieces, long shanks and high ports have no place in a horses mouth. At all. If you can only stop a horse with severe pain, you aren't doing it right!
D She I am guessing that the trainer here is a Reining trainer, and they do it much differently. Along with the Western Pleasure, and many other non speed Western events. If you watch videos of the pro reining horses, the horses have very little contact, as they are being ridden much differently. In English it's all about contact contact contact. The idea is not to progress to harsher bits, but to bits that are going to teach the horse it's job, with the lightest touch. The last few bits he showed us, where actually very very soft bits, for highly trained horses. A high port is usually actually less painful for the horse, as it takes pressure off of the tongue. I have seen many English horses in the industry with dead mouths, in easy snaffles, with riders with rough hands. I am going to go right out and say I have seen the exact opposite with Western Reining horses. They have big 'harsh' bits, but the horses are much more supple and responsive, and on average the riders have very very very soft hands as the horses require little to none contact.
You just voiced exactly what I was thinking! I have a 4yo OTTB and I ride her just fine in an Eggbutt, French link snaffle :) Most of the time I try not to even ride in a bridle but rather a halter or just a neck rope. But since I Event, I have to have a bit for dressage so I ride without a bit 2 times a week and then ride in a bit 2 time a week to keep up with our dressage training.
Sounds like you're doing what's best for your horse and that you aren't relying on painful gadgets to control him. Good on you. Lots of people seem to want to win a fight with a horse instead of doing it without a battle. Your horse is still young and maturing and it's great that you are treating his mouth with respect. Hope you have many happy times together.
D She Thank you for that, I really appreciate it. And thank you for voicing you previously stated opinion in such a civil manner. I am so sick and tired of the fighting that occurs in the equestrian community over small things. Yes, some bits are really harsh and they should be rebuked, but people often go so far as to call a simple snaffle "abuse" and as a result, so much division and hate has been created in the equestrian world. I just find it quite sad.
This is Why I don't like most western riders they think it's ok to ride and harsh bits when there usually not needed and make the horses misbehave then make them behave.
I ride in a rope halter and will begin snaffle training in spring. In western, the more training your horse gets the longer shank is applied. After years, you should only have to ride one hand (curb) and BARELY move the reins (also should be neck reined). Snaffles tend to have two hands on the reins cause theres no leverage.
1:31 anything with shanks is NOT a snaffle just because it has a jointed mouth piece. Stop spreading the falsehood. Some people even think the evil Tom Thumb device is a snaffle 😳🤪
OK here I am four years later (not realizing I'd already watched this video before) and I actually think your bit program is worse than I thought the first time. Why do you think that third bit -- which looks like an argentine snaffle -- is valuable? There is so much movement in it -- including completely contradictory movement (pull the left rein even slightly out and you'll push the purchase into the left side of the horse's face, pushing him to the right) -- you can't possibly give the horse a clear signal. Then the correction bit has a lot of movement. And then you say the solid mouthpiece is a step up for the horse? How so? I'd say you're finally giving your horse a break from all that confusion going on in his mouth. Granted you have to be careful with solid BITS (as opposed to loose jawed bits) because there's no movement to let the horse know you're going to ask for something; the requests are sudden. But that bit is loose jawed with a solid mouthpiece -- not a large step up (for the horse) from a snaffle.
All the comments are mostly crap!. We are talking about performance horses not your backyard , trail horse. Look at a high-level dressage horse four reins and two bits. If you don't have soft hands go bridless
You keep pulling on their mouths instead of teaching them to give to pressure willing from a halter you pull on the bit causing pain initll they give to the pain what happens when the finally are some what used to pain not that they get complety used to pain but than you put a more painful bit in their mouth. If you punch someone enough times they will go numb to it than you start stabbing them. Snaffle bit to shank bit instead of just going bitless in a halter.
why gdo you want to move on from a softer to a harsher one if the softer one does the job?
ajlisknillat once a horse works in the same bit for a while, they start to dull out slowly. So changing the bit up keeps them on their feet, so they don’t get super dull and hard in the mouth. So instead of dulling their mouth out by riding in the same bit for an extended period of time, switching it up keeps them off the bit and keeps them from getting dull.
@@rileygaudet2223 I've heard that before and it makes sense, but this guy isn't switching out or switching back and forth. He's talking about a progression. But like most people doing bit videos, he doesn't (maybe can't) explain what specific bits actually accomplish. It's just wannabe trainer buzzword salad (like the twisted wire snaffle when the horse needs to have "more respect" for the bit SMH) .
I do not agree with the twisted wire bits
OR u can use a frenchlink or rubber bit
I never understand why people overcomplicate things, break the horse in a hackamore or snaffle and stick with it, you don't need a load of metal and poll pressure to control your horse.
In my state any horse over 5 needs to be in a bit with shank on it if they are being ridden in 4-H.
Your state is full of idiots then... No horse needs to be in a shank, that is ridiculous. My horse has been in a snaffle or bitless bridle since the day he was born and he is now 16 years old. He has always been very light up front. No horse needs more than a snaffle, only stupid humans seem to think they need stronger bits.
DeathKitty123456 These horses are trained for precision, and respond to the littleest cues. They are very responsive, and the shank for these horses is to reinforce it and give a faster response time.
Shanks are not bad, unless they are in the wrong hands. These bits are not there to fix bad habits or bad problems, in the Reining industry, they are used as the horse progresses in it's training, and requires less hand.
They are ridden with mainly leg and seat.
Many horses are ridden in shanks, and it's a fact of life.
Many horses don't like shanks, and many horses prefer the higher level of contact, or because of training, can be ridden in a shank and do it's job even better.
DeathKitty123456 if you want to ride your horses one handed, at top speeds, with little to no hand movement, then yes, a shank is ideal. If you rely on your hands of course a snaffle will probably work long term. However when you need your horse to react as soon as possible a snaffles probably not going to do the job. Either that or your horse is amazing.
My horse is EXTREMELY light in the mouth and i can fully control him buckle end. There is no need to put your horse in a strong bit, it is control through pain, i don't like it. Horses can be super responsive with just a neck strap, my horse is super responsive in his snaffle or headcollar... I think it is just people being lazy and not investing in their horses properly. You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion is completely different based on the fact i would hate to have my horses head in a vice.
Great video! So interesting to see the progression. I think a lot of the people in these comments don't understand that these bits just require less and less 'hands' and the bits give stronger ques with very little movement by the end. Finesse over strength at the end.
Thanks for your tips good for my 2 Year old
my horse is 3 years old and when im stopping him, it pulls up his head with strenght in his neck , i dont know what to do with that
U have to change the bit...I'm not a professional for this but if I had a horse I would see for the bit my teacher has D snaffle bits so if the horse were to do that my teacher would tell me to put my reins down and say "whoa" for him to stop and his head won't flick up.
I really hope you don't ride a three years old horse.
@@Tepadj ikr
@@Tepadjyou can ride a 3 year old horse just don't over do it use a hacamore and do some ground training with a loose leaf rope wand halter stand be side him say back push his chest and head slightly when he backs give him a slice of apple and a pet
You don't say what bit you're using, but if it's a snaffle and you pull back with both hands, the horse will naturally toss his head, especially if your hands aren't soft. If you're riding in a snaffle use one hand to bend him to a stop. After you work with him awhile, you won't need to pull very hard (bend him very much). If he's facing forward (12 o'clock), he'll stop before his head gets to 11 o'clock.
I question the value/wisdom of all of the twisted wire bits, but what really struck me is that your curb chains are actually chains (instead of all leather). Including the first shanked bit you put on a horse. I'm not a "no bit" person but I think those two things are pretty extreme.
Hi, do you sell the twisted shank ? Or would you recommend where can I get one like that? I would really appreciate it. Thanks
what's the best bit ?
as mild as possible. all those bits shown in the video are way too harsh.
Just dont use a bit on a horse their gross and disgusting and HURTS THE HORSES
Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel Scientists who have logic
The last one looks painful 😒 I usually don't even use a bit
im against bit but if you are gonna ride with one use the most mild bit you can since bits are made to inflict pain i dont like them and if their not used to inflict pain what are they for?im not TOTALLY against them though i just perfer people dont use them😊
*How bout none?*
Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel If you have good basic groundwork, trust and a good sense of where your horse is, who’s to judge??
Eeerm...how does that thing not hurt his mouth? Why keep progressing to tougher bits and hurt him more and more? You actually think they get COMFORTABLE in it? They just get more and more frightened. But I suppose that is what you want. Horse riding is a powertrip. It is all about dominating. A big S&M game, just without the consent of the poor horse getting dominated. His only way out is death.
Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel they still feel pain....
@@em-hl5to yes, some horses give in to the pain and anxiety of this style of training though, and become so-called 'finished'. Even the weight of the reins and their own head movements cause these bits to move in the mouth and press into the jawbone or roof of the mouth. Certain temperaments learn to submit to these by being hypervigilant and overbent. It's not something that decent people want to inflict on their horses
Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel thank you for that 🙄
D She I do agree with that. I just feel like people who use these “harsh” or more advanced bits should educate people on more how they work, and that beginners can not just use them for a bad horse
@@em-hl5to There's nothing advanced about severe bits. Have you seen any videos by Emma Massingale? (sp?) Now, that is advanced horsemanship - without the pain.
Thank you
all treehugging ppl here plz get rid of ur horses or any animal u have and move on cus believe me u are the types of people that make dangerous horses with all ur poor baby Technics
A soft rubber Mullen mouth or French Link is all you should need... all of these look horrendous.
the twisted bit is horse abuse and the last ones look painful
I'll stick to my myler bits
Try no bit, I started to use the Orbitless last year after owning my horse for 15 years and haven't noticed any difference apart from he is very relaxed schooling and hacking out.
In English riding, the way it's done is to find the mildest bit that works and stick with it. The jointed snaffle can be a painful bit if you pull on it, due to the squeezing action on the corners of the mouth, and the pressure on the roof of the mouth. If you abuse it, then physical damage happens or the horse learns to ignore the pain. A French link is better.
The idea that you 'progress' to harsher and more painful bits, is horrible. Twisted mouthpieces, long shanks and high ports have no place in a horses mouth. At all.
If you can only stop a horse with severe pain, you aren't doing it right!
D She I am guessing that the trainer here is a Reining trainer, and they do it much differently. Along with the Western Pleasure, and many other non speed Western events. If you watch videos of the pro reining horses, the horses have very little contact, as they are being ridden much differently. In English it's all about contact contact contact.
The idea is not to progress to harsher bits, but to bits that are going to teach the horse it's job, with the lightest touch.
The last few bits he showed us, where actually very very soft bits, for highly trained horses.
A high port is usually actually less painful for the horse, as it takes pressure off of the tongue.
I have seen many English horses in the industry with dead mouths, in easy snaffles, with riders with rough hands.
I am going to go right out and say I have seen the exact opposite with Western Reining horses.
They have big 'harsh' bits, but the horses are much more supple and responsive, and on average the riders have very very very soft hands as the horses require little to none contact.
You just voiced exactly what I was thinking! I have a 4yo OTTB and I ride her just fine in an Eggbutt, French link snaffle :) Most of the time I try not to even ride in a bridle but rather a halter or just a neck rope. But since I Event, I have to have a bit for dressage so I ride without a bit 2 times a week and then ride in a bit 2 time a week to keep up with our dressage training.
Sounds like you're doing what's best for your horse and that you aren't relying on painful gadgets to control him. Good on you. Lots of people seem to want to win a fight with a horse instead of doing it without a battle. Your horse is still young and maturing and it's great that you are treating his mouth with respect. Hope you have many happy times together.
D She Thank you for that, I really appreciate it. And thank you for voicing you previously stated opinion in such a civil manner. I am so sick and tired of the fighting that occurs in the equestrian community over small things. Yes, some bits are really harsh and they should be rebuked, but people often go so far as to call a simple snaffle "abuse" and as a result, so much division and hate has been created in the equestrian world. I just find it quite sad.
D She I ride my horse in an mb04 and transitioning to an mb06 which are myler bits
All you need to train a horse is a hackmore and a snaffle bit
This is Why I don't like most western riders they think it's ok to ride and harsh bits when there usually not needed and make the horses misbehave then make them behave.
I hate you
Area_VI_Eventing Pony ikr
I ride in a rope halter and will begin snaffle training in spring.
In western, the more training your horse gets the longer shank is applied. After years, you should only have to ride one hand (curb) and BARELY move the reins (also should be neck reined).
Snaffles tend to have two hands on the reins cause theres no leverage.
That is kind if arrogant and ignorant comment all roll into one post.
The BEST answer is no bit at all. Bits are just some pieces of metal that hurts and makes a horse feel nervous, pain and uncomfortable
oh my god, what a horrible bits! and that's normal in america???
Juul72 Van Den Broek Ook in Nederland.
Juul72 Van Den Broek nope
Just use one bit.. 😂
No one should use severe action shanked curb bits.
They are out there with rowel spurs and other monstrosities
1:31 anything with shanks is NOT a snaffle just because it has a jointed mouth piece. Stop spreading the falsehood. Some people even think the evil Tom Thumb device is a snaffle 😳🤪
omg this is such bullshit ! hahaha
No bit is best
OK here I am four years later (not realizing I'd already watched this video before) and I actually think your bit program is worse than I thought the first time. Why do you think that third bit -- which looks like an argentine snaffle -- is valuable? There is so much movement in it -- including completely contradictory movement (pull the left rein even slightly out and you'll push the purchase into the left side of the horse's face, pushing him to the right) -- you can't possibly give the horse a clear signal. Then the correction bit has a lot of movement. And then you say the solid mouthpiece is a step up for the horse? How so? I'd say you're finally giving your horse a break from all that confusion going on in his mouth. Granted you have to be careful with solid BITS (as opposed to loose jawed bits) because there's no movement to let the horse know you're going to ask for something; the requests are sudden. But that bit is loose jawed with a solid mouthpiece -- not a large step up (for the horse) from a snaffle.
All the comments are mostly crap!. We are talking about performance horses not your backyard , trail horse. Look at a high-level dressage horse four reins and two bits. If you don't have soft hands go bridless
How about you don’t use a bit
No bit is ok. Its abuse.
I use the twisted bit for my 9 year old
holy leaf you shouldn’t use a bit at all
Bits are abuse🤬
You keep pulling on their mouths instead of teaching them to give to pressure willing from a halter you pull on the bit causing pain initll they give to the pain what happens when the finally are some what used to pain not that they get complety used to pain but than you put a more painful bit in their mouth.
If you punch someone enough times they will go numb to it than you start stabbing them. Snaffle bit to shank bit instead of just going bitless in a halter.
really u should never use a bit why because it hurts your horse
lol no it's not