Your patience with new players is really admirable! I feel like a lot of these arguments people make for "being bad" tend to circulate twitter a lot, and I'm sure you must see them a million times on stream every day lol. Thank you for always calmly explaining to us newbies what has and hasn't worked for you
It absolutely helped. It's easy to make a guide for "How to do combos" or "How to do the mixups" but explaining *mentality* is so much rarer and more difficult but you did it so well. Thank you.
As someone who recently reconnected with my love of fighting games (going on 30, last I competed in a local tourney was when I was 18), I've found these videos IMMENSELY helpful! I started playing in local tournies again to measure my ability, and while I did well (top 4 placements in Strive for 4 months consecutively) in my first few tournies, I definitely felt like I "needed to win" or "top my last placement" to feel good after time went on. Recently reconnecting with the idea of simply enjoying myself in bracket and playing to my full capabilities has been a new focus. Your insight and presentation on these topics is amazing, as it articulates what I learned and applied from therapy to fighting games 10x better than I could, and I've been sharing your videos with my local FGC. It's been invaluable to me and many others for our growth as players and humans. Tysm Romolla! You're the best ❤
"When something is in a game, is not our duty to balance it, we can't balance it, We can't change it. All we can do is to accept it and play around it" Why i can only like a video once?
I never say "I spent so much time playing a game but I'm still doing bad" but I do often say "omg I've been trying so hard to learn and adapt and I still suck"
In different genres of gaming, time spent is a better measure of progress than fighting games and I think subconsciously you could think most games work that way. I remember hearing that take during the initial hype to Classic WoW. In any RPG there's a more direct correlation with benefits gained per hour spent. I'd love to hear a breakdown from you on improvement on a concept I'll call the "Skill progression horizon". I describe it as knowing ahead of time what your road to improvement & progress will look like. To go back to the RPG example, at level 20 I'll unlock this thing, at level 30 I need to go that stuff, at level 40 I'll need to save money to buy a mount, etc etc. For beginners in fighting game, we have a decent skill horizon : Learn your combos, learn your buttons & pressure, etc etc etc. But I think why this community is so obsessed with improvement, betterment and trying to make more people commit their time to the genre is that this skill horizon is largely undefined or very blurry. A simple example is that we need to teach people how to efficiently use tools like training mode so that the time spent there is beneficial and not a chore. Since most people don't have that know-how, they don't commit to it and lose opportunities to better themselves faster. That's why I find it an interesting concept. Knowing ahead of time what your improvement path looks like seems like it would make it easier for someone to walk that path.
one thing i found useful is having a part in my notes just for random thoughts, stuff like: "how does ____ work?"; "practice ______"; "find a way to do ____"; "i saw in a video that doing ______ is a good way for _______" or anything that might come into my mind at any time. then every time i go play i try to spend some time trying to solve some of those notes on practice mode, which then either go to a proper part of the notes or to a garbage bin where i put every idea that didn't worked.
Another really fantastic video! I would highly recommend watching the video but here are some notes I took if you want to grasp some of the key points: - Playing the game does not translate to improvement, it will increase familiarity with certain situations, but if you don’t do anything with that information, you stagnate. - Improvement is not linear, you will likely improve the most at first (since there’s so many things to fix up) and it will slow down after that, your goal should be in these measurable improvements, as opposed to looking at pure win rates. - Making improvements is about focusing on how you want to PLAY, not how you want to WIN. Focusing on winning as the goal will limit you, focus on your goals in playstyle. - Keep notes about you want to improve and what changes you are looking for, it is not good enough to keep mental notes because the mind is unreliable to remember everything and suffers from recency bias. - When the game changes (e.g. your favourite character gets nerfed), it’s up to you to adapt to those changes (whether that means learning your matchups again or choosing a new main), do not have expectations about what you deserve based on the work you’ve put in. - You will never be done learning as there is a constantly evolving ecosystem, this is not a bad thing, it is part of the process that you should seek to enjoy. - Take things one step at a time, especially at first, it can be overwhelming but it’s important to break it all down.
Your channel is fantastic and perfect for people like me, who've been playing fgs for almost 30 years but is fighting through plateaus. Thank you so much! 😁
I think the answer to that question can very. Like one thing I do when I'm picking up a new character, I watch other people play said character(and being relatively successful). So this gives me a good idea of what sort of things I should be trying to do myself. It also helps to watch you're own replays and take note of what you could be doing differently.
this video was really helpful. im a tekken player and coming over to strive is a MASSIVE difference. I can get frusterated and start to talk down on myself and then not wanna pplay anymore. With these tips I hope to change that. Thanks again Cow lady
Gotta say I appreciate you taking notes along the way like you're writing on the blackboard. When my goblin gamer brain wanders off and I stop paying attention I can run back through the points and catch back up.
It's funny because DEB's talking about fighting game mentality for the most part, but youtube (at first) designated this video as League of Legends related. Like TH-cam trying to say 'I know you're aiming this at FGC, but I think League players need it more, just saying'
I have treated the wall differently. I put in a lot of time and effort into Tekken and Uniel and got to that point, but I was able to leave them with a healthy attitude. "This isn't the game for me. I'm not willing to put in the time to Korean Backdash and I should probably stop playing for a game that I'm willing to commit the effort." This wall isn't necessarily a bad thing, but being locked out of every game you like or not improving is where it goes south. Strive is a game I'm willing and able to put in the effort and lab for. No matchup makes me hate the game to the point where I don't think its worth my time to try to improve.
Amazing video! im sooo happy I found your youtube channels as it always feels like you tell me exactly what I need to hear. and I do not even play strive I play Tekken lmao.
*"Omg I'm like 1000h and I cant beat this 200h idiot!"* _Funny fact, that idiot might be 200h on GGS, but you have no idea how many more hours he has over u in any other fighting game..._ This is why I love fighting games, unlike RPG's where you gotta start over each time you start a new game, from level 1... In fighting games, your existing experience carries on from one game to another. nuff said
this vid helped me i have 100+ hours in bbcf and i’m dogshit and felt really unmotivated but now i feel i just gotta keep on working on it even if i still suck
On whim I clicked and actually watched the full video. You're persuading us to take notes, depending on how bad we want to be good at Strive or any fighting game in general. Depends on how much we are willing to do to achieve that level of skill like you, or are we gonna autopilot at 10, 20, 30, or 40 percent and not utilize our full capacity to be better. The big question is, what is Guilty Gear to you? That'll determine how far we'll want to get.
I've spent like 100+ hours in strive, I'm comfortably jumping between floors 9 and 10, but don't want/can't invest more time, so I will have to be fine with where I'm at. still having fun!!!
I kinda have a different issue with me personally. Strive was my first fighting game ever and after 30 hours I managed to get to floor 9. That surprised me personally alot because I would have never expected that of me. But now I look at other fighting games like melty blood or blazblue and I fell like I can't play these games at all because I just learned strive and not fighting games. Is that common or am I just stupid in my head.
This is very common. Learning a second fighting game is often very difficult after investing a ton of time into only one game, but if you keep at it, the new game will quickly become as natural to play as the first. The more fgs you learn, the easier it will be to learn them, but even if you only play other fgs at a shallow level, they can give you a new perspective on your main game so you don’t lose much by trying them out for a few hours.
Very common! In my experience this happens every time I switch a game, but as I do it more I've noticed the initial phase of learning gets shorter because I'm so familiar with what it's like to be a beginner now Some people feel this way not just with switching game - but switching /character/
@@trewe0413 I've noticed that, Strive is the first traditional fighter I started taking a little more seriously coming from Smash and platform fighters in general, but I've been trying a bunch a difference games just to learn. At my university we have an fgc club, so I kept trying different games even though I'm a novice to the fgc in general and it's nice because all of them learn the new games fast and I can try them at the meetings and they can explain the unique mechanics to me since I have the basics of footsies already. It's helped as a casual even. I went to a Strive tournament at the club once and for my first and only I took a round so I know I could get better, but honestly I've learned I just have fun testing my abilities and learning stuff if I feel like it, the wifi era of Smash kinda killed my drive to really grind
I have almost 200 hrs in strive, but it feels like my mechanical skill is failing me. I can execute dp's in training, and even in isolation in a match, but I still can't do it in reaction. I'm not sure if anything other than hours will help me. This video is great, but I feel like there's a starting line here before this that you have to practice to attain.
I used to be absolutely crap at doing DP's and now I'd say I'm decent at them(but I still miss them from time to time). But one thing I do when I want to get better at doing things in a real match, is play real matches but DON"T make the goal about winning. Make the goal to perform whatever move you're trying to get better at. Playing rounds with the intention of improving specific flaws, rather than winning, does a lot of help tbh
A funny discussion that usually happens with me. People will ask me why the fuck do you have so many hours on these fgs compared to other games!? Its like spending time practicing random things just feels natural in fighting games
The amount of times I've gone online to work on one thing and then run into someone doing dumb shit that mad me mad and want to beat their ass so I completely forget what I loaded up the matches for
mk11 has run on pc for 8k hours... I don't think I even played half of that, and then of what I played a bunch of it was grinding achievements and outfits, and playing dress up (you have like 50-100 skins per character, and then 3 customizable pieces of gear with another 30 options each. I fucking loved it) I am pretty bad at MK, but every one of my characters has 5 load outs with beautiful skin/gear setups hahaha. I consider that the biggest possible win.
They win because they are using high or top tier characters ;) Just accepting things how they are and not demanding better balance is detrimental to the genre imo. We adapt because we have no choice, but we need to be louder about some REAL balance. We love playing fighting games but the balance in them is dogshit. But I will never stop playing and trying to defeat these garbage scenarios. The better balance we have, the more respect I can give to my opponent when I lose or win.
It's really hard to figure out where you are level wise. Can never tell if im getting better or worse. So I just watch better players and try to pick up on what they're doing in hopes of learning new tricks. That and endless labbing of combos in hopes of becoming more consistent. I see no other options because Idk what I'm doing.
I'm pretty sure that dude talking about 300 hours and still being shit, just wasted 300 hours hitting a practice dummy doing half arsed combos. Taken me 5 years to be competent in playing dark souls games and to get to Platinum with Vega on SFV. Talking a few a hours a week every other month. Thinking you going to be some top flight strive player after 300 hours is the talk of some insane madman.
Stop letting the game companies off the hook. You want them to fix the game? Stop playing it, stop recommending it, stop making videos about it. Hit them in the pocketbook and force companies to fix their trash games.
Your patience with new players is really admirable! I feel like a lot of these arguments people make for "being bad" tend to circulate twitter a lot, and I'm sure you must see them a million times on stream every day lol. Thank you for always calmly explaining to us newbies what has and hasn't worked for you
I think it’s because she has felt exactly how these new players feel
It absolutely helped. It's easy to make a guide for "How to do combos" or "How to do the mixups" but explaining *mentality* is so much rarer and more difficult but you did it so well. Thank you.
As someone who recently reconnected with my love of fighting games (going on 30, last I competed in a local tourney was when I was 18), I've found these videos IMMENSELY helpful! I started playing in local tournies again to measure my ability, and while I did well (top 4 placements in Strive for 4 months consecutively) in my first few tournies, I definitely felt like I "needed to win" or "top my last placement" to feel good after time went on. Recently reconnecting with the idea of simply enjoying myself in bracket and playing to my full capabilities has been a new focus. Your insight and presentation on these topics is amazing, as it articulates what I learned and applied from therapy to fighting games 10x better than I could, and I've been sharing your videos with my local FGC. It's been invaluable to me and many others for our growth as players and humans.
Tysm Romolla! You're the best ❤
"When something is in a game, is not our duty to balance it, we can't balance it, We can't change it.
All we can do is to accept it and play around it"
Why i can only like a video once?
sheesh
I never say "I spent so much time playing a game but I'm still doing bad" but I do often say "omg I've been trying so hard to learn and adapt and I still suck"
Me
In different genres of gaming, time spent is a better measure of progress than fighting games and I think subconsciously you could think most games work that way. I remember hearing that take during the initial hype to Classic WoW. In any RPG there's a more direct correlation with benefits gained per hour spent.
I'd love to hear a breakdown from you on improvement on a concept I'll call the "Skill progression horizon". I describe it as knowing ahead of time what your road to improvement & progress will look like. To go back to the RPG example, at level 20 I'll unlock this thing, at level 30 I need to go that stuff, at level 40 I'll need to save money to buy a mount, etc etc. For beginners in fighting game, we have a decent skill horizon : Learn your combos, learn your buttons & pressure, etc etc etc. But I think why this community is so obsessed with improvement, betterment and trying to make more people commit their time to the genre is that this skill horizon is largely undefined or very blurry. A simple example is that we need to teach people how to efficiently use tools like training mode so that the time spent there is beneficial and not a chore. Since most people don't have that know-how, they don't commit to it and lose opportunities to better themselves faster.
That's why I find it an interesting concept. Knowing ahead of time what your improvement path looks like seems like it would make it easier for someone to walk that path.
one thing i found useful is having a part in my notes just for random thoughts, stuff like:
"how does ____ work?"; "practice ______"; "find a way to do ____"; "i saw in a video that doing ______ is a good way for _______"
or anything that might come into my mind at any time.
then every time i go play i try to spend some time trying to solve some of those notes on practice mode, which then either go to a proper part of the notes or to a garbage bin where i put every idea that didn't worked.
Another really fantastic video! I would highly recommend watching the video but here are some notes I took if you want to grasp some of the key points:
- Playing the game does not translate to improvement, it will increase familiarity with certain situations, but if you don’t do anything with that information, you stagnate.
- Improvement is not linear, you will likely improve the most at first (since there’s so many things to fix up) and it will slow down after that, your goal should be in these measurable improvements, as opposed to looking at pure win rates.
- Making improvements is about focusing on how you want to PLAY, not how you want to WIN. Focusing on winning as the goal will limit you, focus on your goals in playstyle.
- Keep notes about you want to improve and what changes you are looking for, it is not good enough to keep mental notes because the mind is unreliable to remember everything and suffers from recency bias.
- When the game changes (e.g. your favourite character gets nerfed), it’s up to you to adapt to those changes (whether that means learning your matchups again or choosing a new main), do not have expectations about what you deserve based on the work you’ve put in.
- You will never be done learning as there is a constantly evolving ecosystem, this is not a bad thing, it is part of the process that you should seek to enjoy.
- Take things one step at a time, especially at first, it can be overwhelming but it’s important to break it all down.
Wow this was extremely helpful in general for fighting games
Your channel is fantastic and perfect for people like me, who've been playing fgs for almost 30 years but is fighting through plateaus. Thank you so much! 😁
Thanks for the breakdown and perspective! Always nice to be reminded on what to work on!
I like how floppy the cow ears are. Also great stuff, I really gotta get in the habit of taking notes and reviewing matches again.
My real issue is how to improve. Like the video said it's not linear, I just don't know what to do.
I think the answer to that question can very. Like one thing I do when I'm picking up a new character, I watch other people play said character(and being relatively successful). So this gives me a good idea of what sort of things I should be trying to do myself. It also helps to watch you're own replays and take note of what you could be doing differently.
I just get mad cause I'm bad and dumb.
Same
this video was really helpful. im a tekken player and coming over to strive is a MASSIVE difference. I can get frusterated and start to talk down on myself and then not wanna pplay anymore. With these tips I hope to change that. Thanks again Cow lady
Gotta say I appreciate you taking notes along the way like you're writing on the blackboard. When my goblin gamer brain wanders off and I stop paying attention I can run back through the points and catch back up.
Do not find value in the amount spent, but in how that amount was spent
It's funny because DEB's talking about fighting game mentality for the most part, but youtube (at first) designated this video as League of Legends related. Like TH-cam trying to say 'I know you're aiming this at FGC, but I think League players need it more, just saying'
honestly active learning and adjusting your mindset is so important for anything you wanna learn from voice training to video games.
A good vid to help players understand the complexities of analysis and how misconceptions can heavily skew how you view things
Thank you for this , I needed this so much
Easily played for years before i started thinking of why instead of what.
These videos are very useful and informative for everyone trying to get better at fighting games, great insight and perspective.
Hey :)
New to FGs and your content is a godsend. Love your tone, pacing, teachings. Fantastic stuff.
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my only notes on happy chaos are "fuck you happy chaos"
For some reason it's really hard to focus on this video but I have a newfound appreciation for cow silhouettes.
I have treated the wall differently. I put in a lot of time and effort into Tekken and Uniel and got to that point, but I was able to leave them with a healthy attitude.
"This isn't the game for me. I'm not willing to put in the time to Korean Backdash and I should probably stop playing for a game that I'm willing to commit the effort."
This wall isn't necessarily a bad thing, but being locked out of every game you like or not improving is where it goes south. Strive is a game I'm willing and able to put in the effort and lab for. No matchup makes me hate the game to the point where I don't think its worth my time to try to improve.
Amazing video! im sooo happy I found your youtube channels as it always feels like you tell me exactly what I need to hear. and I do not even play strive I play Tekken lmao.
First 3 sentences and i was immediately targeted
These videos are very good, somehow not condescending
Fighting games have helped me immensely with my ego, it has humbled me so much losing a bunch in a row, when trying to practice/learn something new
You're so dang amazing. This advice will help me so much!
1/3 of my time is me forgetting I left strive open and going out or sleeping
*"Omg I'm like 1000h and I cant beat this 200h idiot!"*
_Funny fact, that idiot might be 200h on GGS, but you have no idea how many more hours he has over u in any other fighting game..._
This is why I love fighting games, unlike RPG's where you gotta start over each time you start a new game, from level 1... In fighting games, your existing experience carries on from one game to another.
nuff said
this vid helped me i have 100+ hours in bbcf and i’m dogshit and felt really unmotivated but now i feel i just gotta keep on working on it even if i still suck
On whim I clicked and actually watched the full video. You're persuading us to take notes, depending on how bad we want to be good at Strive or any fighting game in general. Depends on how much we are willing to do to achieve that level of skill like you, or are we gonna autopilot at 10, 20, 30, or 40 percent and not utilize our full capacity to be better. The big question is, what is Guilty Gear to you? That'll determine how far we'll want to get.
I've spent like 100+ hours in strive, I'm comfortably jumping between floors 9 and 10, but don't want/can't invest more time, so I will have to be fine with where I'm at. still having fun!!!
i watched this video for 300 hours
romolla with the tough pills to swallow 😅😅 thank you for the great video!!
I kinda have a different issue with me personally.
Strive was my first fighting game ever and after 30 hours I managed to get to floor 9. That surprised me personally alot because I would have never expected that of me. But now I look at other fighting games like melty blood or blazblue and I fell like I can't play these games at all because I just learned strive and not fighting games. Is that common or am I just stupid in my head.
This is very common. Learning a second fighting game is often very difficult after investing a ton of time into only one game, but if you keep at it, the new game will quickly become as natural to play as the first. The more fgs you learn, the easier it will be to learn them, but even if you only play other fgs at a shallow level, they can give you a new perspective on your main game so you don’t lose much by trying them out for a few hours.
Very common! In my experience this happens every time I switch a game, but as I do it more I've noticed the initial phase of learning gets shorter because I'm so familiar with what it's like to be a beginner now
Some people feel this way not just with switching game - but switching /character/
@@trewe0413 I've noticed that, Strive is the first traditional fighter I started taking a little more seriously coming from Smash and platform fighters in general, but I've been trying a bunch a difference games just to learn. At my university we have an fgc club, so I kept trying different games even though I'm a novice to the fgc in general and it's nice because all of them learn the new games fast and I can try them at the meetings and they can explain the unique mechanics to me since I have the basics of footsies already. It's helped as a casual even. I went to a Strive tournament at the club once and for my first and only I took a round so I know I could get better, but honestly I've learned I just have fun testing my abilities and learning stuff if I feel like it, the wifi era of Smash kinda killed my drive to really grind
Very well said
I have almost 200 hrs in strive, but it feels like my mechanical skill is failing me. I can execute dp's in training, and even in isolation in a match, but I still can't do it in reaction.
I'm not sure if anything other than hours will help me. This video is great, but I feel like there's a starting line here before this that you have to practice to attain.
I used to be absolutely crap at doing DP's and now I'd say I'm decent at them(but I still miss them from time to time). But one thing I do when I want to get better at doing things in a real match, is play real matches but DON"T make the goal about winning. Make the goal to perform whatever move you're trying to get better at. Playing rounds with the intention of improving specific flaws, rather than winning, does a lot of help tbh
A video game should teach you how to play it. That's the entire concept of a video game.
My advice is to try a new fighting game, youll learn a few things that you can take to strive
i love this content, ty so much u r the best 😀😀
A funny discussion that usually happens with me. People will ask me why the fuck do you have so many hours on these fgs compared to other games!? Its like spending time practicing random things just feels natural in fighting games
Great tips! May I ask what's the note taking application Deb used on the video? Thanks in advance! :)
The amount of times I've gone online to work on one thing and then run into someone doing dumb shit that mad me mad and want to beat their ass so I completely forget what I loaded up the matches for
mk11 has run on pc for 8k hours... I don't think I even played half of that, and then of what I played a bunch of it was grinding achievements and outfits, and playing dress up (you have like 50-100 skins per character, and then 3 customizable pieces of gear with another 30 options each. I fucking loved it)
I am pretty bad at MK, but every one of my characters has 5 load outs with beautiful skin/gear setups hahaha. I consider that the biggest possible win.
I put 460 hours in strive, why am I not the number 1 player yet?
They win because they are using high or top tier characters ;)
Just accepting things how they are and not demanding better balance is detrimental to the genre imo. We adapt because we have no choice, but we need to be louder about some REAL balance. We love playing fighting games but the balance in them is dogshit. But I will never stop playing and trying to defeat these garbage scenarios. The better balance we have, the more respect I can give to my opponent when I lose or win.
It's really hard to figure out where you are level wise.
Can never tell if im getting better or worse.
So I just watch better players and try to pick up on what they're doing in hopes of learning new tricks.
That and endless labbing of combos in hopes of becoming more consistent. I see no other options because Idk what I'm doing.
WCHEW
anybody know what program she used to write those?
I invested 5 years in fighting games and still suck
Thank you I love you
Hours = quality of improvement - time wasted
So basically u need to look at fighting game improvement like your playing a jrpg
I'm pretty sure that dude talking about 300 hours and still being shit, just wasted 300 hours hitting a practice dummy doing half arsed combos. Taken me 5 years to be competent in playing dark souls games and to get to Platinum with Vega on SFV. Talking a few a hours a week every other month. Thinking you going to be some top flight strive player after 300 hours is the talk of some insane madman.
Stop letting the game companies off the hook. You want them to fix the game? Stop playing it, stop recommending it, stop making videos about it. Hit them in the pocketbook and force companies to fix their trash games.
Well you are just one person. A bunch of people who dont know better still buy shit games. This "voting with your wallet" meme doesn't work.