@@TazerGames Wow. If that phrase makes you react like you did initially, I'd be interested to see how you react to someone calling your mom a bad name, or something to that level.
Ron clearly came from a good family while James and Dave in particular did not...Lars was driven to be a rockstar (despite being a coddled mommas boy) so in that mix of teenagers no way Ron could hang long term. Those guys had nothing to lose (no real family so the band was their family).
Cliff’s family was very welcoming to the lifestyle and to the career path that Cliff chose, there’s even a video (RIP Ray Burton) where his father talks about letting him to do what he needs to do best and always supporting Cliff.
@@ThisUnderWorldOfDarkness ahahah :D funny joke, but I don't think it takes a psychiatrist / psychologist, or to even read on these topics, to recognize what murilo expressed. :)
Ron comes across as a really good fuckin dude.Our love for particular members aside, let’s not forget they were essentially a bunch of drunken kids barely in their early 20’s trying to do what they thought was best for them at the time. We’ve ALL been there. I raise a glass to you, Mr. McGovney. Class act.
They were still teenagers. Ron was in the band in '81-'82. James, Lars, and Ron are all born in '63 so they would have been just 18 and 19 years old at the time. The odd one out among the early members was Dave being 2 years older.
@@rvfiasco they didn't buy him shit. Dave was the one that destroyed his bass, and when Megadeth became huge he was the only one that went back and righted the wrong he did to Ron by buying him a new bass kit Lars actually claimed he didn't even remember who Ron was
1: Ron really sounds like a good guy - inviting them to stay at his place as the first thing, when he found out they would play a gig near him. No demands for apologies or explanation, no drama - even when he was wronged. 2: Damn, I’d like to hear Dave explain this.. still hung out with them afterall, wth?
This was probably before Megadeth was founded. Dave hadn't found his new family in Megadeth so he probably was at the party cause he had nowhere else he belonged. Once he had his own gang in Megadeth and somewhere to feel at home, then he really started talkin shit about Metallica.
@@brianmcawesome but, to me at least, Dave has always told the story as immediately getting to “revenge-business” when he got off the bus ride home (hell, he even started during that trip), so this incident really stands out to me, contradicting what Dave has said for so many years even in his autobiography (2010).
@@Metalton95 I think Dave was homeless for a while after being kicked out of Metallica, so I'm wondering if he used Ron as a place to crash at once in a while.
@@Kruegernator123 In that case, this would be the absolute worst case scenario for him, hahaha. Ron: "Hey Dave, I got a few friends coming by this evening, do say hi"
@@feraldemon5250 Kirk does not seem like the fighting or confrontational type. Dave doesn't seem especially physically intimidating, especially back then with all the drugs. But just with that angry mindset, that would be a thrashing (literally). Kirk would get beat the fuck up in a fight with Dave. He's too nice to be in a fight
@@rowanmelton7643 Dave was a crazy kid when he was young. He lived in Stanton and he was a criminal. He would steal shit from stores and re-sell it. He was known to carry a gun here and there. He had an angry streak.
I can't imagine being in a bad with Lars, Hetfield, Mustaine,Mustain, of the biggest bullies the world has ever seen, thoug I love their music, I have zero tolerance for bullies, this guy is clearly a nice guy.
@@zippydooda Megadeth, a 4 piece band, has gone though 23 different members, 10 guitarist, 9 drummers, and 4 bassist. It is not a huge leap to think Mustaine is not a people person. Not to mention he was kicked out of a band nick named Alcoholica for his excessive drinking and anger issues.
Not after Dave being all salty for Kirk replacing him and then Dave saying he nailed his girlfriend before he left that's probably why Kirk and Dave don't do photographs together LOL
LoL, if you guys think this is bad, Leon Wilkeson, the bass player for Lynyrd Skynyrd, was woken up in his bed on the tour bus by guitarist Ed King who was screaming that his throat had been cut. Wilkeson was bleeding profusely and rushed to the hospital. How his throat was cut remains a mystery to this day, and had King not discovered Wilkeson's condition, he likely would have bled to death in his sleep.
Man that's crazy. How he could've ever been comfortable on that tour bus ever again is beyond me. I've always thought Leon was underrated as a player btw
@@jb-yi4di Make no mistake about it, Leon was a most under-rated bassist. He was the embodiment of Lynyrd Skynyrd and Southern Rock at the time. Look at all the old photos. He was wearing the Under Taker's hat when Slash was still shitting yellow. Leon brought the "Show" part of "Show Business" of Southern rock with his fashion. And - I'm telling you this as a natural fact - he would literally give you the shirt off his back. He gave away lots of Skynyrd stuff at concerts, back stage, at his house, on tour. If someone saw something at his home they liked, he'd literally give it to them. "You like that? You can have it." He was that nice of a person. If Bob Burns and Artimus Pyle were the heart beat of Lynyrd Skynyrd on drums, Leon Wilkeson was the blood flow, and he was very good at it. The fact that he was such a nice person only mystifies who would want to cut his throat and why?
@@thecentralscrutinizerr Ok that's pretty cool. Ive always been a fan but never really delved into their personal lives much. His melodic basslines sure did sing. I've heard it said that Ed King wrote a lot of the early basslines in the studio. Dont know the truth of that, but at any rate Leon was definitely a force, and I dont think he got near enough credit.
@Some One Ron was a good bass player. The 1986 demo he played in his band Phantasm was pretty cool. He just wasn't innovative or breaking new ground like Cliff was.
They say if you look back on your life and you don't have any "cringe" moments or memories then you haven't developed or changed as a person...I wonder how the guys feel when they think back on Ron?
@@thatisme3thatisme38 that's cause they live in the past about all their hits n stadium sellouts. Even self-reflection videos is about how they've grown upon themselves, not to others or it circles back to their "family". So basically use treat people cr*p and look after their family. Not nice with all their money
I knew Ron and Cliff were on good terms with each other as Ron knew Cliff was the guy for Metallica, but I never knew about this party. I really do wonder particularly what James's relationship with Dave has been like over the years, because Dave has always looked up to James and James just seems to not be interested. But James doesn't always wear his heart on his sleeve.
James and Dave have talked afterwords but they didn't make it public. Mostly because of Cliff you know.. i think they finally really talked during the Justice days. I seen people mention in 89 or so. I think Dave did somthing to James when he was drunk. Maybe a fight went to far. But there not close like they should be.
@@MetaITurtle There was an incident with Jame's dog I believe? The way I heard it Dave kicked Jame's dog a bunch while drunk, and they kicked him out the next morning, though not certain how true that anecdote is.
Rule number 1 for being in Metallica: You can't be closer to James than Lars. Look at the 1st line-up, all 3 other members were closer to James than each other Lars wouldn't have it. It was later evident after Jason had left, when Pepper auditioned. James explained that they're too close and it would affect his relationship with Lars. Look at all the other members who have endured the band: Cliff, Jason, Rob, Kirk. They all occupied that middle ground. Basically Kirk was always paired with the bass player. It's just like Spinal Tap, "he's fire, he's ice, and I'm lukewarm water".
@@feraldemon5250 Please read a little bit more about that. He DID have second chances, he said it himself in interviews. He punched James, he was out, next day he was begging to be back in... there's at least two times he was booted out, so he had at least one second chance. I am fed up to hear him whining "what? no warning, no second chance?" for the past 40 years, while he did have a second chance but did not give that second chance to his own bandmates in Megadeth. He will go down in history as both a great guitar player / songwriter and as the biggest whiner ever. Extremely talented musician, equally unlikeable person.
@@tigrou1426 Please read a bit more about Dave giving Megadeth members chances, of course he did. You can't try correcting anyone & turn right back around being a hypocrite.
@@GL.Sorrell Thanks for the accolade! ;) But I heard it from Dave himself (from 01:23 here: th-cam.com/video/SgEpzEh7neM/w-d-xo.html). So I'll stick to that.
@@tigrou1426 You're welcome. You still need to read up on their chances before firing them though. From his own books in detail, which is you know, by Dave himself.
i had always though Ron was more just friends with the guys and never intended to really be in the band and was just jamming with them till they found someone, its a shame people had to be shitty to him. also i get so sick of hearing about Daves one sided feud with Kirk, holding a grudge for decades against a guy that never did anything to you. he simply accepted an offer he didnt try to manipulate the band and talk them into kicking you out or anything,
Hmm... I can understand why he holds a grudge though. A bit like another man/woman running off with your other half - rarely do you think positively towards that person.
Dave had a "good" reason to have a grudge- against Lars, Cliff and James. After all, they are the ones who kicked him and replaced him with Kirk. And the way they kicked him was... Horrible... But I think Dave just had too much fun, created too many good memories, and overall liked those guys so much that he misdirected his anger and grudge towards Kirk. Dave had good reasons for having a grudge and being bitter and angry, but he directed it towards the wrong person.
Ron said himself he didn't have much ambition. He just wanted to play in a garage band and have fun. I think that was a big part of why the band, in general, and Dave in particular, bullied him. Keep in mind, they were 19 when they fired Dave. 19 year Olds aren't known for empathy and handling things well. The way that went down, I would have been salty, too, if I were Dave.
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@@jowlorenz9555 FUCK YEAH DUDE! That's the best rant that had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with anything, including Mustaine, Metallica or Megadeth, that I've ever read! RANT ON BRETHREN! 🤟🤟🤟🤟 Metal as fuck!
He's such a NICE dude. We're actually related through my grandmother somehow. We corresponded YEARS ago when I did this genealogy thing, and then my MySpace got hacked, and that was the end of that. 😬
The best thing ever to happen Metallica was Dave Mustaine getting the boot. As nice a guy as Ron seems to be,they'd only ever have been a run of the mill thrash band without Cliff Burton's magic.
@@austinhawthorne6310 For jumping on Ron’s car. He also punched James that day as well and was kicked out of the band for about 12 hours until he cried and begged for another chance which he got, even though he always lied and said he had no second chance
2 of those aren't true, Dave brought his dog to the studio and James kicked the dog and Dave went judo on James and Ron, Lars stayed out of it from what I heard, and I heard Dave say this in an interview with Loudwire, plugging in something that's wet, your ass is going get fried, he knew it was dumb to begin with...
@@kennealy2148 Not true. The incident happened out the front of the house Ron and James were living in. Dave’s dog jumped on Ron’s car. The fight then happened in the living room shortly after. Lars wasn’t even there. I don’t care what Dave said. He’s lying if that’s what you heard
I've always thought Ron was justified in having a whinge, I mean Mustaine poured beer thru his gear and stole Ron's stuff for hock. Mustaine on the other hand created a lot of his own bad luck and reaped what he sowed to this day.
@@michaelboyle5805 Imagine ACDC kicking Angus Young out caus his lead breaks were sloppy. Or Iron Maiden firing Steve Harris caus he didn't know music theory. Or GNR sacking Axl Rose caus he starts riots. lol. James is the popular guy in the band, but Lars is the genius.
Sounds like Metallica often picked on the weaker members i.e. This guy and Jason. If the bass player couldn't stand their ground or beat them up then they got picked on. That's why their current bassist fits in because he'd kick their asses. This is the law of the jungle for these misfits,
This is hilarious. When you see these skinny-ass dudes in their early days and think of them being bullies or physically picking on someone. One solid right hook would've brought any one of them down. Hell, even motley Crue would've mopped the floor with them.
@infoslinger Right. They don't give Robert a hard time because they're all old now. Also, Cliff passed very young and isn't around to say what his experiences were like behind closed doors.
@Nic TheCow No, only someone who isn't a drummer would think that. I submit this video of a six year old playing Master Of Puppets better than Lars as evidence: th-cam.com/video/gcfsrhXP2rg/w-d-xo.html
@@Bolln4791 Why did Lars write all the songs? His live performances were cringeworthy. It's hard to take a drummer who plays standing up seriously. I suspect that you and Nic TheCow are fanboys who wore Metallica jean jackets in junior high. If Neil Peart had been the drummer, the band would have done even better.
Alot of people think Kirk and Dave never met. But they indeed did meet a few times, when Kirk was in Exodus and when Kirk was in Metallica. So Dave was around Kirk and then he saw his Girlfriend.
Didn't Dave throw Ron's shoes out of their truck on the ride back home from a gig one time? Maybe right after they got Cliff to join? I could've swore I read something about that back in the day. It's a bummer Ron got picked on, but hopefully his time in the band has been lucrative for him later on in life in some way, at least for interviews and stuff. I know Metallica really owe him a lot, from having a place to play to someone who was working hard for them behind the scenes in the early days, or just a bass player who was into the same music, really. Power metal!
He chose to quit the band,because of Dave Mustains wild partying and picking fights with band members,Sounds like Lynyrd Skynyrd in the seventies,thier drunken brawls were legendary.
th-cam.com/video/3hqzZJYXGgw/w-d-xo.html is a great interview that sheds light on lots of stuff that were going on at that time, at 11:25 James literally calls Ron as a shit Bassist and that he had to teach him how to play bass.
I recall there being some Metallica fan website years ago, and in the bio section for past members, Ron’s was this really sour rant that looked like a fanboy wrote it. I wonder what that was all about.
I see comments on other videos bitching about how "badly" Metallica treated Jason Newsted, as if they didn't give him the chance of a lifetime, becoming a world renowned rock star and a millionaire many times over, but "oooooh they turned his bass down on 1 album!!" Meanwhile, Ron Mcgovney gets treated like shit, doesn't get paid for it, and then gets booted from the band before they strike gold, leaving him as merely a footnote on the wikepedia page of one of the largest bands in the world. Ron is OG bassist and i take my hat off to him. cheers, Sir.
Also, Jason angered his former bandmates when he left Flotsam and Jetsam. I like Jason but his former band was having a decent amount of success and I don't blame them for feeling betrayed (plus Newsted was basically the band manager and he left on such short notice that he basically handed a pile of legal and bank documents to the Flots guys and said "you're on your own now".
@@ryanjacobson2508 I didn't know about any of that. interesting. I mean, on one hand, it's easy to understand the business decision to join the hottest new metal band on the planet, at the time. On the other hand, he basically sold out and abandoned his ols band all at once.
Sometimes I wonder how things would have been if Dave got along with the dudes in the band and had never been fired. His crazy ADD style of playing certainly would have made some songs more interesting. With that being said, Metallica as a band wouldn't have reached the level of success they're at right now. But two vocalists? Far out.
They almost employed John Bush as their vocalist. Imagine the lineup: Hetfield Mustaine Ulrich Burton Bush Just needed either Dave Lombardo, or Scott Travis and your metal supergroup would be complete.
@@mysocalledknife07 Dude. You're talking about a friggen Dream Team. Not to take away from Urich, but Lombardo? One of the absolute best. I read somewhere that there were talks with Geddy Lee about producing Master of Puppets. I could imagine Geddy saying to Lombardo, "Now you know what kind of drummer I like". "Hell yeah".
There was so much shit with these guys, but that’s what could happen, ya know? Think about it. They were barely in their early 20’s. Still considered teenagers. It makes sense.. I’m glad most things have been figured out.
It almost seems like a raw deal for the bassists in this band? Ron was a young kid,,they all were, but had his crap together, & with the other guys all fuckd up with drugs & alcohol, they booted Ron, yet, if that never were to happen, then we never would've gotten Cliff!!? Then along came Jason not shortly thereafter, taking over for a Bass God in Cliff, & from day one, Lars & James' ego never had him on equal footing!!
Every band has former members who didn't make the final cut before fame, it's just life. Horrible to those who just missed out, rock on, start your own band if you have the talent. Next he"ll say Metallica would be better with him in it! 😆
Dave: Got kicked out of Metallica
Ron: Kicked metallica out
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🤘
Dave kicked Metallica's ass and got kicked out.
Ron kicked Metallica out...
@@orphnemusic6788 dave didnt kicking anything
@@orphnemusic6788 we all know Dave made Megadeath great band but still,
till these day, Dave becomes so emotional for being kicked out of the band.
@@CJ2000S at what lol?
Ron sounds so down to Earth.
Why people are commenting that stupid shit everywhere ?
@@TazerGames calm down man
@@TazerGames Why are you?
Not even mad XD
Never understood why people say it all the time, though
@@TazerGames Wow. If that phrase makes you react like you did initially, I'd be interested to see how you react to someone calling your mom a bad name, or something to that level.
Ron clearly came from a good family while James and Dave in particular did not...Lars was driven to be a rockstar (despite being a coddled mommas boy) so in that mix of teenagers no way Ron could hang long term. Those guys had nothing to lose (no real family so the band was their family).
Lars is such an underrated tennis player.
you kinda make it sound like Ron was older than them and thus didn't fit. In fact, he was the youngest, after Lars.
Cliff’s family was very welcoming to the lifestyle and to the career path that Cliff chose, there’s even a video (RIP Ray Burton) where his father talks about letting him to do what he needs to do best and always supporting Cliff.
You read a lot of literature from modern psychiatry don't you? There's this party I was invited to that I want to ruin ...I want you to go to it
@@ThisUnderWorldOfDarkness ahahah :D
funny joke, but I don't think it takes a psychiatrist / psychologist, or to even read on these topics, to recognize what murilo expressed. :)
Ron comes across as a really good fuckin dude.Our love for particular members aside, let’s not forget they were essentially a bunch of drunken kids barely in their early 20’s trying to do what they thought was best for them at the time. We’ve ALL been there.
I raise a glass to you, Mr. McGovney. Class act.
Well said.
They were still teenagers. Ron was in the band in '81-'82. James, Lars, and Ron are all born in '63 so they would have been just 18 and 19 years old at the time. The odd one out among the early members was Dave being 2 years older.
I never stole anything from my friends at 20 or younger
I never stole anything ever
What a dude, legacy and integrity wins.
It was disgraceful the way he was treated. He financially kept the band afloat for 12 months and was given no appreciation whatsoever
Shit, I hope later on they at least bought him a bass or something after their success. I mean, I would have.
No they were a bunch of scumbags no question
@@rvfiasco they didn't buy him shit.
Dave was the one that destroyed his bass, and when Megadeth became huge he was the only one that went back and righted the wrong he did to Ron by buying him a new bass kit
Lars actually claimed he didn't even remember who Ron was
Word. I've never once heard anyone in Metallica even so much as mention his name.
Metaldickheadlickas
1: Ron really sounds like a good guy - inviting them to stay at his place as the first thing, when he found out they would play a gig near him. No demands for apologies or explanation, no drama - even when he was wronged.
2: Damn, I’d like to hear Dave explain this.. still hung out with them afterall, wth?
This was probably before Megadeth was founded. Dave hadn't found his new family in Megadeth so he probably was at the party cause he had nowhere else he belonged. Once he had his own gang in Megadeth and somewhere to feel at home, then he really started talkin shit about Metallica.
@@brianmcawesome but, to me at least, Dave has always told the story as immediately getting to “revenge-business” when he got off the bus ride home (hell, he even started during that trip), so this incident really stands out to me, contradicting what Dave has said for so many years even in his autobiography (2010).
@@Metalton95 I think Dave was homeless for a while after being kicked out of Metallica, so I'm wondering if he used Ron as a place to crash at once in a while.
@@Kruegernator123 In that case, this would be the absolute worst case scenario for him, hahaha.
Ron: "Hey Dave, I got a few friends coming by this evening, do say hi"
Prolly for free boos
Imagine the tension at that party! 💀
If Dave saw Kirk next to him, danger would occur 😂😂
I've seen you comment somewhere else
Dave: “Hey Kirk, I fucked your girlfriend”
Kirk: “Cool! I fucked your job!”
Dave: “Waaaah”
Kirk: “Exactly!”
@@feraldemon5250 Kirk does not seem like the fighting or confrontational type. Dave doesn't seem especially physically intimidating, especially back then with all the drugs. But just with that angry mindset, that would be a thrashing (literally). Kirk would get beat the fuck up in a fight with Dave. He's too nice to be in a fight
@@rowanmelton7643 Dave was a crazy kid when he was young.
He lived in Stanton and he was a criminal.
He would steal shit from stores and re-sell it.
He was known to carry a gun here and there.
He had an angry streak.
It seems like the bass players were the only good guys that were ever in the band
Not Kirk though? Haven't heard or seen anything negative about him.
@@turtleneckferret Really? How?
@Propagandalf The shitting frog move... but does that make him a bad person?
lol true.
Kirk’s not a bad guy, just kind of a sheep who goes along with his career being controlled by the two dictators in the band.
I can't imagine being in a bad with Lars, Hetfield, Mustaine,Mustain, of the biggest bullies the world has ever seen, thoug I love their music, I have zero tolerance for bullies, this guy is clearly a nice guy.
@@zippydooda mustaine is a great musician but he is a Bully he even confessed to being a terrible musician to work with
@@jimbo4014 ok Karen
@@zippydooda guessing your a little fanboy
@@zippydooda Megadeth, a 4 piece band, has gone though 23 different members, 10 guitarist, 9 drummers, and 4 bassist. It is not a huge leap to think Mustaine is not a people person. Not to mention he was kicked out of a band nick named Alcoholica for his excessive drinking and anger issues.
@@jamescasey3408 who gives a flying fuck?
Imagine if there would have been a group photo of all of them together at the same time in that house
Not after Dave being all salty for Kirk replacing him and then Dave saying he nailed his girlfriend before he left that's probably why Kirk and Dave don't do photographs together LOL
@@jaseas8887 I never believed that Dave nailed kirks girlfriend, he’s so full of shit
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202 🤣😅👌🏼
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202 It was probably a lie lol
@@jaseas8887 they could have had Kirk and Dave nailing Kirk's girlfriend in the photo aswell.
Ron: So i booted Metallica out
Interviewer: WoW, any regreat?
Ron: Nope, i bury the hatchet that same day, we had a party
Lmfaooo nice Dave mustaine reference 😂
That interviewer is literally Chris Jericho
@@cubzrulz Antonio just made the list
LoL, if you guys think this is bad, Leon Wilkeson, the bass player for Lynyrd Skynyrd, was woken up in his bed on the tour bus by guitarist Ed King who was screaming that his throat had been cut. Wilkeson was bleeding profusely and rushed to the hospital. How his throat was cut remains a mystery to this day, and had King not discovered Wilkeson's condition, he likely would have bled to death in his sleep.
Man that's crazy. How he could've ever been comfortable on that tour bus ever again is beyond me. I've always thought Leon was underrated as a player btw
@@jb-yi4di Make no mistake about it, Leon was a most under-rated bassist. He was the embodiment of Lynyrd Skynyrd and Southern Rock at the time. Look at all the old photos. He was wearing the Under Taker's hat when Slash was still shitting yellow. Leon brought the "Show" part of "Show Business" of Southern rock with his fashion. And - I'm telling you this as a natural fact - he would literally give you the shirt off his back. He gave away lots of Skynyrd stuff at concerts, back stage, at his house, on tour. If someone saw something at his home they liked, he'd literally give it to them. "You like that? You can have it." He was that nice of a person. If Bob Burns and Artimus Pyle were the heart beat of Lynyrd Skynyrd on drums, Leon Wilkeson was the blood flow, and he was very good at it. The fact that he was such a nice person only mystifies who would want to cut his throat and why?
@@thecentralscrutinizerr Ok that's pretty cool. Ive always been a fan but never really delved into their personal lives much. His melodic basslines sure did sing. I've heard it said that Ed King wrote a lot of the early basslines in the studio. Dont know the truth of that, but at any rate Leon was definitely a force, and I dont think he got near enough credit.
Wasn't it Ronnie?
@@fromalongtimeago why do you think that
Dave was the one that poured the beer on Ron’s base. He admitted it in his book. But he made it right, by buying him a brand new one, later on.
He could've offered him a gig in Megadeth.
@Some One According to what I've heard, Ron was a master on bass but had no drive to do anything more than play his parts
@Some One i heard a demo from When Ron was in the band, and though he wassnt as good ss cliff he wassnt bad either.
@Some One Ron was a good bass player. The 1986 demo he played in his band Phantasm was pretty cool. He just wasn't innovative or breaking new ground like Cliff was.
So, Dave bought a new beer, to replace the one he poured on Ron's bass?? Sounds about right
They say if you look back on your life and you don't have any "cringe" moments or memories then you haven't developed or changed as a person...I wonder how the guys feel when they think back on Ron?
They havent grown up yet
@@thatisme3thatisme38 that's cause they live in the past about all their hits n stadium sellouts. Even self-reflection videos is about how they've grown upon themselves, not to others or it circles back to their "family". So basically use treat people cr*p and look after their family. Not nice with all their money
Ron is a great person and it's a shame he didn't start a new band
Oh my god dude imagine a picture with 1983 Metallica + Dave and Ron. That is too good
Honestly I’d rather never been in Metallica than have that happen to me and have to think about that my entire life 0 my God Drive me insane
I knew Ron and Cliff were on good terms with each other as Ron knew Cliff was the guy for Metallica, but I never knew about this party. I really do wonder particularly what James's relationship with Dave has been like over the years, because Dave has always looked up to James and James just seems to not be interested. But James doesn't always wear his heart on his sleeve.
James and Dave have talked afterwords but they didn't make it public. Mostly because of Cliff you know.. i think they finally really talked during the Justice days. I seen people mention in 89 or so. I think Dave did somthing to James when he was drunk. Maybe a fight went to far. But there not close like they should be.
I've never once had the impression or even heard anyone say that Mustaine looked up to Hetfield.
But, I wasn't around them, so I don't truly know
@@MetaITurtle There was an incident with Jame's dog I believe? The way I heard it Dave kicked Jame's dog a bunch while drunk, and they kicked him out the next morning, though not certain how true that anecdote is.
@@werewolf2003002 Bullshit.
I personally think Dave’s a better guitar player than kurt
Ron actually was a good bass player.
Rule number 1 for being in Metallica: You can't be closer to James than Lars.
Look at the 1st line-up, all 3 other members were closer to James than each other Lars wouldn't have it. It was later evident after Jason had left, when Pepper auditioned. James explained that they're too close and it would affect his relationship with Lars. Look at all the other members who have endured the band: Cliff, Jason, Rob, Kirk. They all occupied that middle ground. Basically Kirk was always paired with the bass player. It's just like Spinal Tap, "he's fire, he's ice, and I'm lukewarm water".
Dave kept his fingers crossed for a third chance
He didn’t have a second chance actually.
@@feraldemon5250 Please read a little bit more about that. He DID have second chances, he said it himself in interviews. He punched James, he was out, next day he was begging to be back in... there's at least two times he was booted out, so he had at least one second chance. I am fed up to hear him whining "what? no warning, no second chance?" for the past 40 years, while he did have a second chance but did not give that second chance to his own bandmates in Megadeth. He will go down in history as both a great guitar player / songwriter and as the biggest whiner ever. Extremely talented musician, equally unlikeable person.
@@tigrou1426 Please read a bit more about Dave giving Megadeth members chances, of course he did.
You can't try correcting anyone & turn right back around being a hypocrite.
@@GL.Sorrell Thanks for the accolade! ;) But I heard it from Dave himself (from 01:23 here: th-cam.com/video/SgEpzEh7neM/w-d-xo.html). So I'll stick to that.
@@tigrou1426 You're welcome. You still need to read up on their chances before firing them though. From his own books in detail, which is you know, by Dave himself.
Ron: my new rickenbacher got stolen, then all of a sudden I'm out of the band.
Nice guy. It is their loss losing Ron. It's a shame.
First time I met him was after they opened for Saxon at the Whiskey A Go Go. Very nice guy
Poor Ron he shelled out $600 for the NLTL demo and Dave poured beer on his bass...sad
Dave bought him a new one when he was wealthy in megadeth
Wow, I didn´t know Dave hung out with them so soon after he was fired. Thought it took years and years...
I love Metallica as far as the older stuff is concerned but trusting any of them for anything I would never do......
i had always though Ron was more just friends with the guys and never intended to really be in the band and was just jamming with them till they found someone, its a shame people had to be shitty to him. also i get so sick of hearing about Daves one sided feud with Kirk, holding a grudge for decades against a guy that never did anything to you. he simply accepted an offer he didnt try to manipulate the band and talk them into kicking you out or anything,
Hmm... I can understand why he holds a grudge though. A bit like another man/woman running off with your other half - rarely do you think positively towards that person.
Dave had a "good" reason to have a grudge- against Lars, Cliff and James. After all, they are the ones who kicked him and replaced him with Kirk. And the way they kicked him was... Horrible... But I think Dave just had too much fun, created too many good memories, and overall liked those guys so much that he misdirected his anger and grudge towards Kirk. Dave had good reasons for having a grudge and being bitter and angry, but he directed it towards the wrong person.
Ron said himself he didn't have much ambition. He just wanted to play in a garage band and have fun. I think that was a big part of why the band, in general, and Dave in particular, bullied him.
Keep in mind, they were 19 when they fired Dave. 19 year Olds aren't known for empathy and handling things well. The way that went down, I would have been salty, too, if I were Dave.
@@TheJakeSweede
It helps to vent that foul smelling methane gas a bit at a time - BEFORE it turns into deadly explosive diareah ! Let's conscientiously use our earnest outrage to 'Burn' them narcissistic deceptacon hex-nut motherfrackers outta thee equation for good .
👌☝The best way to gaslight the entire world is to mass-broadcast very scary and confusing information over large media platforms and then give no one the ability to question you, so the masses are left to squabble over it amongst themselves."
This technique is called Divide and Conquer
in (illegal-alien overlord) New World Order through sponsoring the chaos in the first place.
Too bad People perish for lack of knowledge --- as well as 'knowing' so much that ain't so .
Hopefully there is still a way to sort this terrible shit out BEFORE it's too late...
Tyrannts drunk on power (due to 'exclusive' access to so-called 'superior' artificial intelligent technology) --- think they can 'play' God and shmuck the whole world into going to war against everything pure and natural and good --- but they definitely got another thing coming ...
Billy the PRICK is trying to hijack humanity and turn honest to goodness indigenous earthings into patented humanoid 2.0 hybrids (he would own) through forced diabolically retarded genetic-molesting toxic cocktails --- for Christsakes !
Time to cut the crap.
(Anyone pretending to save humanity by wiping 2/3rds of it out is definitely the antichrist --- research EUGENICS)
Billionaire's lives matter
A billion times more
Than all the lives of every color combined --- acording to the celebutard cheater-class insider 'experts' and 'kiss-asses' trying desperately to sell the rest of humanity out
in their insatiable hellbent to become godlike billionaires themselves.
Time to cut the crap .
No fn doubt the establishment is a con's-piracy --- you can't blame anyone for speculating what is really going on when the 'knowledge that is power' is systematically and vigilantly reguarded as 'top secret' .
Time to hold them unmentionable self-chosen supremacist secret cults with diplomatic immunity accountable --- Before they 'manage' to make the rest of us various types of relatively poor Indigenous folks do each other in for nothing . . .
Just be aware
We all gotta realize how left and right (good actors and pure evil) always manage to work together 'nicely' when it comes time to give themselves big bonuses and $ell the rest of the population out . usa is getting played by both sides playing good cop bad cop --- when they are ALL diabolically retarded lucifarian flunky deceptacon hex-nut motherschmuckers in on the proverbial poi-zionist masonic power pyramid scheme HELLBENT for TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION together .
Their O.T. - O.G. is one and the same as the narcissistic devil he is supposedly against. Playing both sides for schmucks is just how the deceptacon hex-nut pedophile preistclass kingpimps roll ...
Spreading the other cheek further for them to rape everything more easily sure as heck aint helping anyone but the big glory hog glory hole himself .
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This 6hr lucifarian whistleblower vid was about how almost all celebutards flash illumi-naughty gang signs)
Of coarse if any 'professionals' come clean with the dirty details of their 'trade$' --- we should have mercy on them --- but until then --- they deserve every bit of righteous outrage that's coming their way ...
But --- we heavenly endowed earthly beloved are fixing to excorcise all those who are violating our CERTAIN UN-ALIENABLE rights .
Remember the golden rule --- 'do unto others as you would like others do for you' --- (or else!)
Don't try to complain about your UN-ALIENABLE RIGHTS ---
if you like to think that the 'lesser' critters are here just for food, making a killing from $$$, and to do diabolically retarded experiments on .
The alien 'big brothers' were fairly upfront about this sacred agreement to not eat our brethren critters when they warned us through the bible and other channeled messages. of coarse all abrahamic religions --- are basically just sick meat-cults . their illegal alien overlord that goes by many names --- only eats the finest kosher-cannibal meat products he can find .
the true benevolent divine intelligent designer may even have mercy on the poor schmucks that got indoctrinated into meat-cults at an early age --- but only if they can understand how sick it is to use other sentient beings as snacks --- just to snare them into becoming devil-food mind-controlled slaves themselves . gotta love watching meat-heads dig themselves their very own barbeque pit ...
Or not .
Don't try to say no one attempted to give yawl the 'heads-up'.
Don't eat yer heart out !
Goddesspeed yawl !
Stick that in yer algorithm and smoke it ...
@@jowlorenz9555 FUCK YEAH DUDE! That's the best rant that had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with anything, including Mustaine, Metallica or Megadeth, that I've ever read!
RANT ON BRETHREN! 🤟🤟🤟🤟
Metal as fuck!
Every musician has their very own Pete Best story to tell. Can’t dwell on the past. if it’s meant to be… it will be
The thing that should not be
Ron McGoveney was also in the thrash metal band Phantasm with Hirax singer Katen DePena.
Hirax...great band!
0:49 Ron looks like würzel when he was in motörhead '84
He's such a NICE dude. We're actually related through my grandmother somehow. We corresponded YEARS ago when I did this genealogy thing, and then my MySpace got hacked, and that was the end of that. 😬
The best thing ever to happen Metallica was Dave Mustaine getting the boot.
As nice a guy as Ron seems to be,they'd only ever have been a run of the mill thrash band without Cliff Burton's magic.
metallica stole all daves stuff and solos too and stopped being good in 1990 megadeth were good to 2005
@@jasjrock6424 No, metallica stopped being good in 96, but started being good again in 2016, megadeth never was never good to begin with
@@chikinonfrydai Chicken James could never play this is why he hired Dave on guitar in first place...th-cam.com/video/PzMeP8a3pqk/w-d-xo.html
@@chikinonfrydaiMegadeth's Dystopia kicks anything Metallica did out the water after 88.
How Megadeth was born:
Dave
1. Kicked James' dog
2. Beating Lars
3. Pissed on Ron's Bass
4. Got kicked out of Metallica
You got that the other way around: James kicked Dave’s dogs.
@@austinhawthorne6310 just trolling
@@austinhawthorne6310 For jumping on Ron’s car. He also punched James that day as well and was kicked out of the band for about 12 hours until he cried and begged for another chance which he got, even though he always lied and said he had no second chance
2 of those aren't true, Dave brought his dog to the studio and James kicked the dog and Dave went judo on James and Ron, Lars stayed out of it from what I heard, and I heard Dave say this in an interview with Loudwire, plugging in something that's wet, your ass is going get fried, he knew it was dumb to begin with...
@@kennealy2148 Not true. The incident happened out the front of the house Ron and James were living in. Dave’s dog jumped on Ron’s car. The fight then happened in the living room shortly after. Lars wasn’t even there. I don’t care what Dave said. He’s lying if that’s what you heard
Hetfield supposedly stole Motorbreath from Ron, makes sense if you think about it. No other song is anything like it
Never heard of that, interesting
@@josephgreble5 read about it in Dave Mustaine’s book, Who knows if it’s true or not
does anyone know where this clip is from
It sounds like Chris Jericho is interviewing to him, check his podcast Talk Is Jericho
I’m surprised Mustaine showed up to the party after the way he was kicked out of the band. Very strange…
He probably was there before they showed up
@@jeffalbillar7625 Dave was homeless so maybe Ron gave him a place to stay
Metallica did to Dave what Ron did to Metallica
Should have formed a band with Dave and called it Megawhinge.
I've always thought Ron was justified in having a whinge, I mean Mustaine poured beer thru his gear and stole Ron's stuff for hock.
Mustaine on the other hand created a lot of his own bad luck and reaped what he sowed to this day.
@@warrenjensen4670 only reap what you sow
1:54
Just imagine a photo with all of them! That would’ve been dope asf!
Anyone know the full interview? Sounds like he’s talking to Chris Jericho
It is Jericho im pretty sure. 99 percent sure its from his podcast but I can't find the episode
@@villiannewyork thx
Jason Newsted got picked on and harrassed too. WTF is wrong with those guys
Guess that what is was like back then
Ye with Lars being the man in charge. Even over James. Had to get along or get out.
@@allenbass6169 they should have kicked lars out and got a good drummer.
@@michaelboyle5805 Imagine ACDC kicking Angus Young out caus his lead breaks were sloppy. Or Iron Maiden firing Steve Harris caus he didn't know music theory. Or GNR sacking Axl Rose caus he starts riots. lol.
James is the popular guy in the band, but Lars is the genius.
@@michaelboyle5805 absolutely! Lars is not a good drummer...hes a perfect gamma tho.
I think every person who exited Metallica did so in a bad way
Jason not really, I feel he made out pretty well.
Jason was the only one who made the choice to leave, out of everyone. Still, he left because of how he was treated.
I subscribed as I don’t want Lemmy flipping me off every time I visit.
Metallica have done some pretty shitty things to their own bandmates.
Dude was in Metallica he could say that They are the greatest band in the world
Sounds like Metallica often picked on the weaker members i.e. This guy and Jason. If the bass player couldn't stand their ground or beat them up then they got picked on. That's why their current bassist fits in because he'd kick their asses. This is the law of the jungle for these misfits,
The weakest member did the picking...Lars.
The weakest member did the picking...Lars.
This is hilarious. When you see these skinny-ass dudes in their early days and think of them being bullies or physically picking on someone. One solid right hook would've brought any one of them down. Hell, even motley Crue would've mopped the floor with them.
@infoslinger Right. They don't give Robert a hard time because they're all old now. Also, Cliff passed very young and isn't around to say what his experiences were like behind closed doors.
I listen to the music... I couldn't care less about the drama or anything else... like little girls gossiping...geez 😆
He is such a nice dude. Poor Ron. That Dave statement is interesting. Apparently they would still hang out in the 80s i guess right?
Horrible people. This guy outclasses them by lightyears. Just imagine having to work with that little troll for 40 years.
For every successful band there are as many similar stories.
Too bad they never replaced lars with a good drummer.
Well…then you wouldn’t have had this video to comment on, because, Metallica wouldn’t had become what they are today probably.
@Nic TheCow No, only someone who isn't a drummer would think that.
I submit this video of a six year old playing Master Of Puppets better than Lars as evidence: th-cam.com/video/gcfsrhXP2rg/w-d-xo.html
@@Bolln4791 Why did Lars write all the songs? His live performances were cringeworthy. It's hard to take a drummer who plays standing up seriously. I suspect that you and Nic TheCow are fanboys who wore Metallica jean jackets in junior high. If Neil Peart had been the drummer, the band would have done even better.
Dude, he’s the drummer of a thrash band, not Rush.
@@deazl666 Neil is talented enough to succeed in any band. Don't change the subject, this string is about how lars sucks.
Alot of people think Kirk and Dave never met. But they indeed did meet a few times, when Kirk was in Exodus and when Kirk was in Metallica. So Dave was around Kirk and then he saw his Girlfriend.
I personally think Dave’s a better player than kurt
Betcha he missed all those gazillions of dollars. I can’t take a lot of crap for rockstar dollars after working construction.
He didn't need them. A talent like his was bound to greater success.
So Metallica isn't successful enough?
Well apparently HE thought he needed them! 😅
No shame being the guy Cliff Burton replaced. It is like losing to a world champ at something. You lost but to a worthy person.
Part of the music history .. to hold that party would be awesome
ron really was the most reasonable and adult guy in the band and the rest of the band mates were just ignorant ... besides dave
Maybe he should audition for Megadeth.
Did Ron still pursue music after? What did he end up doing ?
from comments, looks like he had talent but no drive, or Cliffs muscality
I just realized that's Chris Jericho he's talking to
Where's the whole interview?
Dave to this day says Ron was extremely talented and wanted him to stay in Megadeth while making Dave Jr rhythm guitarist.
Thats heavy
Ron and Kirk and Cliff are the cool ones
Imagine if he did got the picture of all 6 of them
Him and Loyd Grant are the reason they exist.
Didn't Dave throw Ron's shoes out of their truck on the ride back home from a gig one time? Maybe right after they got Cliff to join? I could've swore I read something about that back in the day. It's a bummer Ron got picked on, but hopefully his time in the band has been lucrative for him later on in life in some way, at least for interviews and stuff. I know Metallica really owe him a lot, from having a place to play to someone who was working hard for them behind the scenes in the early days, or just a bass player who was into the same music, really. Power metal!
I think it was James
@@archange1717 Damn, that's messed up. Yeah, you're right.
@@archange1717 from what I've heard most the bullying was from Dave...... He was the one steeling shit and damaging his property.
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo steeling is common practice in metal bands ;)
James did that. Later on was a dirtbag to Jason, no surprise.
He chose to quit the band,because of Dave Mustains wild partying and picking fights with band members,Sounds like Lynyrd Skynyrd in the seventies,thier drunken brawls were legendary.
Thank you for making room for Cliff.
Mustaine was Hocking their gear for drugs. Its a swell known part of Metallica lore by now.
And Chris Poland eventually did it to Dave...what comes around goes around haha!
@@sleepdeep305 don’t use that stupid dhar Mann quote
@@sirspongadoodle If it helps you sleep at night I didn't get it from dhar mann
None of these guys are ever given a check and shown financially...what they mean to Metallica..so just fyi ..they care about your money.
Not ppl...
I wonder if Dave ever asked Ron to try out for Megadeth
I"d wager that the answer is no.
I wish he would of formed his own band
I'd like to hear the bands comments on this "clip." (pun intended)
It's known that James & Lars are very much control freaks.
For 38 years the story is that he left sick & tired of Mustaine 🤣🤔
th-cam.com/video/3hqzZJYXGgw/w-d-xo.html is a great interview that sheds light on lots of stuff that were going on at that time, at 11:25 James literally calls Ron as a shit Bassist and that he had to teach him how to play bass.
I recall there being some Metallica fan website years ago, and in the bio section for past members, Ron’s was this really sour rant that looked like a fanboy wrote it. I wonder what that was all about.
I see comments on other videos bitching about how "badly" Metallica treated Jason Newsted, as if they didn't give him the chance of a lifetime, becoming a world renowned rock star and a millionaire many times over, but "oooooh they turned his bass down on 1 album!!"
Meanwhile, Ron Mcgovney gets treated like shit, doesn't get paid for it, and then gets booted from the band before they strike gold, leaving him as merely a footnote on the wikepedia page of one of the largest bands in the world. Ron is OG bassist and i take my hat off to him. cheers, Sir.
Also, Jason angered his former bandmates when he left Flotsam and Jetsam. I like Jason but his former band was having a decent amount of success and I don't blame them for feeling betrayed (plus Newsted was basically the band manager and he left on such short notice that he basically handed a pile of legal and bank documents to the Flots guys and said "you're on your own now".
@@ryanjacobson2508 I didn't know about any of that. interesting. I mean, on one hand, it's easy to understand the business decision to join the hottest new metal band on the planet, at the time. On the other hand, he basically sold out and abandoned his ols band all at once.
Hold on, Ron and Dave, two people who were forced out and kicked out, both went to party with Metallica afterwards?
Why James look so bloody stoned in the thumb? lol
Weed.
@@Audfile nah hes probably drunk. He's scared of weed
Bloody drunk and sabbath bloody sabbath.
get Ron on Joe Rogan man
I've never even heard of this guy... O.o
Sometimes I wonder how things would have been if Dave got along with the dudes in the band and had never been fired.
His crazy ADD style of playing certainly would have made some songs more interesting. With that being said, Metallica as a band wouldn't have reached the level of success they're at right now. But two vocalists? Far out.
Dave's not a real vocalist let's be real here
@@sheepinwolvesclothing1135
There aren't too many metal "vocalists" who really are vocalists. But I get your point.
They almost employed John Bush as their vocalist. Imagine the lineup:
Hetfield
Mustaine
Ulrich
Burton
Bush
Just needed either Dave Lombardo, or Scott Travis and your metal supergroup would be complete.
@@mysocalledknife07
Dude. You're talking about a friggen Dream Team. Not to take away from Urich, but Lombardo?
One of the absolute best.
I read somewhere that there were talks with Geddy Lee about producing Master of Puppets. I could imagine Geddy saying to Lombardo, "Now you know what kind of drummer I like".
"Hell yeah".
@@AnubisXII I believe it was AJFA that Geddy was considered for. Didn't work bc of scheduling conflicts.
There was so much shit with these guys, but that’s what could happen, ya know? Think about it. They were barely in their early 20’s. Still considered teenagers. It makes sense..
I’m glad most things have been figured out.
🌞
Kinda glad Ron got kicked out though. Without that happening, we wouldn’t even have had Cliff.
🤘
News flash: great people treat others like shit all the time.
Ron sounds like vanilla ice
Sad 😔
If i had to guess who stole the bass I'd put my money on Dave 😄
....the "Power Metal" flyer.
It almost seems like a raw deal for the bassists in this band? Ron was a young kid,,they all were, but had his crap together, & with the other guys all fuckd up with drugs & alcohol, they booted Ron, yet, if that never were to happen, then we never would've gotten Cliff!!? Then along came Jason not shortly thereafter, taking over for a Bass God in Cliff, & from day one, Lars & James' ego never had him on equal footing!!
Every band has former members who didn't make the final cut before fame, it's just life. Horrible to those who just missed out, rock on, start your own band if you have the talent. Next he"ll say Metallica would be better with him in it! 😆
Wankbot
I understand that Blood Sweat and Tears has had something
like OVER ONE HUNDRED members throughout their run.
Wow.
Heavy!!!!
Seems like cool dude.